Arrests made at Wellington Dawn Service

[James Deuce]

http://www.tv3.co.nz/ArrestsmadeatWellingtondawnservice/tabid/209/articleID/25747/Default.aspx

WHhhaaaaat?

Charge them with treason and hang them.

[James Deuce]

http://tv3.co.nz/News/NationalNews/tabid/184/articleID/25614/Default.aspx

Anyone got somewhere for me to stay in Dunedin?

[The Pastor]

what were the arrests for?

[Big Dave]

what were the arrests for?

Being c****.

[James Deuce]

The woman for burning a flag and the man for disrupting the service with an air horn.

[The Pastor]

being colord? wtf thisis NZ not usa.

[yungatart]

Poor form!
What utter disrespect!
I am ashamed.....

[The Lone Rider]

being colord? wtf thisis NZ not usa.

I didn't look at both links, but I assume this had something to do with racism. For the record, I find NZ worldly more racist then anything I've experienced in Chicago

[_Gina_]

phil
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23-Apr-2007

Our Message Is. We are Dead; We died for this country and democracy/freedom. Don't you feel bad. Why are you alive when you won't defend the freedom you have enjoyed, while We are dead having bought it for you. YOU MUST FEEL BAD, DREADFULL. YOU MUST! Get that corrupt anti majority Govt out. A Govt that defies the VAST majority of its citizens HATES OUR MEMORY. It SPITS ON OUR GRAVE.It steals the peoples money to get it elected and its 61 odd members vote against a 83% 3.6 million majority to control them through their hard fought for worked for Birthed kids. Are you offended for the sake of a bit of brass with our names on it being stolen. Why be offended for that and not that cause for which brass bullets shreded our Bodies for a freedom you did not deserve our Lives for?

[James Deuce]

Read the thread Dyers.

Read the thread.

[James Deuce]

phil
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23-Apr-2007

Our Message Is. We are Dead; We died for this country and democracy/freedom. Don't you feel bad. Why are you alive when you won't defend the freedom you have enjoyed, while We are dead having bought it for you. YOU MUST FEEL BAD, DREADFULL. YOU MUST! Get that corrupt anti majority Govt out. A Govt that defies the VAST majority of its citizens HATES OUR MEMORY. It SPITS ON OUR GRAVE.It steals the peoples money to get it elected and its 61 odd members vote against a 83% 3.6 million majority to control them through their hard fought for worked for Birthed kids. Are you offended for the sake of a bit of brass with our names on it being stolen. Why be offended for that and not that cause for which brass bullets shreded our Bodies for a freedom you did not deserve our Lives for?

Doesn't matter what the message is. The people/person who did it need to suffer. You people voted for the Government we have now. There is a process for changing it.

The message does not make it right, and the lads who died would no more sanction the defacing of a memorial because someone wanted a bit of a public whinge, than fly to the Moon wearing puttees.

I hope the stinking vandals get jail time.

[_Gina_]

Doesn't matter what the message is. The people who did need to suffer. You people voted for the Government we have now. There is a process for changing it.

The message does not make it right, and the lads who died would no more sanction the defacing of a memorial because someone wanted a bit of a public whinge, than fly to the Moon wearing puttees.

I hope the stinking vandals get jail time.
Oi!

I am still half asleep and so should have added that I think it's bollox....

I just couldn't believe that it wasn't a random act by some thirteen year old pimple face.

[Grahameeboy]

I didn't look at both links, but I assume this had something to do with racism. For the record, I find NZ worldly more racist then anything I've experienced in Chicago

Sadly that is true................

[Colapop]

That's fucking disgusting. Go make your point in Afghanistan morons.

[Grahameeboy]

That's fucking disgusting. Go make your point in Afghanistan morons.

Or even Glasgow..................

[Mom]

The woman for burning a flag and the man for disrupting the service with an air horn.

Not much I can say to this without my "darker" side emerging except to say probably good I was not attending that service, I would with out doubt be behind bars instead of sitting here.

*shakes head*

[Steam]

So they were National party supporters then? Certainly anti-labour. Hmmm... another reason for me to not vote National.

EDIT: Oh I just found out they are Green supporters. So please ignore this post.

[Patriot]

Today is dedicated to those men who fought and died.Not to those two idiots who think there cause supercedes those of honour.Get real yoiu shitheads.

[Mom]

Doesn't matter what the message is. The people/person who did it need to suffer. You people voted for the Government we have now. There is a process for changing it.

The message does not make it right, and the lads who died would no more sanction the defacing of a memorial because someone wanted a bit of a public whinge, than fly to the Moon wearing puttees.

I hope the stinking vandals get jail time.

We have a war memorial, it is a statue of King George, some unknown person/s chopped off the head a few years ago, I took part in a service to re-dedicate the memorial once it had been repaired. I took the time to read the names written there, decimated many families with 2 and even 3 members killed, and must have been a dreadful time to have lived through.

Jail time would be good, doubt it will happen though in our PC world.

[Colapop]

They lived in a world where life was simple. That was all changed by the wars that they fought in. They didn't choose to have their names engraved on a memorial. In a more simple world there would be far more simple and direct punishment.

[James Deuce]

Oi!

I am still half asleep and so should have added that I think it's bollox....

I just couldn't believe that it wasn't a random act by some thirteen year old pimple face.
I know that and I'm sorry it came across like that, but it is difficult to construct meaningful sentences when the red filter is in place.

Anzac Day and Remembrance Day should be apolitical. Without exception. People who try to politicise it should have punishments vastly in excess of anything dished out at any other time of the year, up to and including Death, handed out on the same day they commit the offence.

[CM2005]

concentration camp the scumbags. people like that should be beaten.

[Grahameeboy]

I am not into wars , however, this is a day of respect regardless of ones views and like the football game between the Germans and Allied Forces on Christmas Day, all views, angsts, opinions, indifference etc should be left for another day......you hear about a 14 year old who died in battle and that has to be respected.............

However, anger towards these idiots is not, in my view, the answer cause I imagine those that fell will feel sorry for them and know that they have the respect of those who care, even if for a day.

[Grahameeboy]

concentration camp the scumbags. people like that should be beaten.

You mean like the Jews were.............hummmm

[Steam]

concentration camp the scumbags.
Sounds like you were on the other side of the war.
That's a bit beyond the acceptable mate.

[James Deuce]

I am not into wars , however, this is a day of respect regardless of ones views and like the football game between the Germans and Allied Forces on Christmas Day, all views, angsts, opinions, indifference etc should be left for another day......you hear about a 14 year old who died in battle and that has to be respected.............

However, anger towards these idiots is not, in my view, the answer cause I imagine those that fell will feel sorry for them and know that they have the respect of those who care, even if for a day.

Who is?

So you're not allowed to get angry eh?

Pick your fights I say. Idiots you say. Unlikely that. Callous, manipulative, and clever more like it. They know damn well that they will get the "cause" publicised and that opportunity to politicise an apolitical day needs to be eradicated with predjudice.

[_Gina_]

I know that and I'm sorry it came across like that, but it is difficult to construct meaningful sentences when the red filter is in place.
No worries Jim :hug:

I am with you on this 110%.

[Grahameeboy]

Who is?

So you're not allowed to get angry eh?

Pick your fights I say. Idiots you say. Unlikely that. Callous, manipulative, and clever more like it. They know damn well that they will get the "cause" publicised and that opportunity to politicise an apolitical day needs to be eradicated with predjudice.

:angry: :angry: :angry: not me Sir Jim

[Steam]

They were Peace Action Wellington, they are very media-savvy. Their protest against the arms industry conference at Te Papa was actually quite cool and effective, but this Anzac Day protest was going way way too far.
http://peacewellington.org/index.html

[Mully]

So they were National party supporters then? Certainly anti-labour. Hmmm... another reason for me to not vote National.

Without turning this into a political thread...... WHAT??? Are you high??? Where did that come from??? And when did Anti-Labour automatically become Pro-National???

FOCUS: THe Dunedin one looks like a misguided attempt to speak for the dead. Or is it just me and too early in the morning.

[Steam]

WHAT??? Are you high??? Where did that come from??? And when did Anti-Labour automatically become Pro-National???


Read post 9 on page one of this thread. But you're right about the anti-labour / pro-national thing though, one does not imply the other. Although usually it does. I have added an edit note to my original post to clarify.

[Colapop]

Who cares about politics? FFS this is about shit stirrers who will always be shit stirrers. This is a day for those who wish to remember and be thankful show their respect. If you want to protest, do it some other day, stand for government. Assholes are just trying to be assholes... and they did a good job of it too.

[pzkpfw]

What do these doorknobs think they are achieving?

Someone will hear an air-horn and think "hey, yeah, war is bad"?!?!

Besides, if you want a good anti-war opinion, go ask the men, women and children who have been there!

I know it's trite, but I guess this is what that freedom we have has gotten us. Somehow these Doorknobs feel their freedom to express their opinion is more important than the freedom of the thousands who were there to pay their respects.

Typical left-wing hypocrisy.

Cheers,

[Mully]

Read post 9 on page one of this thread. But you're right about the anti-labour / pro-national thing though, one does not imply the other. Although usually it does. I have added an edit note to my original post to clarify.

OK. I am enough of a man to admit I had a brain melt and didn't realise that was a verbatim report of the vandals.

As for being Green supporters. Most of them hate the government also, but the party were so desperate to be in power, they got into bed with the enemy. I know several Green supporters (Don't hate me for that, hate me because I'm a prick) who will not vote for them again because they got into bed with Uncle Helen.

Either way, still entirely wrong to do anything like this. I hope they are ashamed when they look at their actions in the light of day.

I need coffee. As you were.

*Stomps off to make coffee*

[Sniper]

Fucken shameful. I would be utterly ashamed to ever have known those people

[Steam]

Here's the press release from the protesters... But I would like to say I do not support their actions and I think it was totally inappropriate. So don't attack me, I'm just the messenger. I have a military-wannabe bike. I like war.

ANZAC Day Protest - Lest we forget: already forgotten

Members of Peace Action Wellington (PAW) demonstrated at the Wellington ANZAC Day dawn service this morning, displaying banners that said "Lest We Forget: Already Forgotten - Afghanistan, Solomon Islands, Timor Leste" and "Conscientious Objectors: the real war heroes."

"ANZAC Day has ceased to be a day where we commit to 'never again', and has instead become nothing less than a celebration of the New Zealand military and the glorification of war," said Valerie Morse, Peace Action Wellington member.

"Lest we forget that the New Zealand military is currently engaged in combat in Afghanistan, the Solomon Islands and Timor Leste. Lest we forget that the New Zealand military is currently deployed in 18 different missions around
the world."

"Lest we forget that the military has, and always will, exist for the sole purpose of waging war," said Valerie Morse.

This morning's demonstration also marks the launch of Peace Action Wellington's 'NZ Troops Out Now' campaign. For further information about the campaign, go to www.nztroopsoutnow.org

"Peace Action Wellington demands the immediate withdrawal of all New Zealand troops and the cessation of all military training and joint exercises with other armies," concluded Valerie Morse.

[Mental Trousers]

Bad form. The cops should've tazered them.

[James Deuce]

Visited the website.

You'll note that there is no right of reply.

[Madness]

What a bunch of self-righteous wankers. What's the bet that some of these protesters themselves had great-grandfathers that served in the wars of the 20th century. They voice their opinions at the expense of those who gave their lives for freedom. Sentence them to Community Service at their local RSA I say.

[Pixie]

So they were National party supporters then? Certainly anti-labour. Hmmm... another reason for me to not vote National.

EDIT: Oh I just found out they are Green supporters. So please ignore this post.

generally ignore Labourite drivel,anyway

[Donor]

info@nztroopsoutnow.org

Feel free to return your sentiments... lord knows I will be.

[Paul in NZ]

Charge them with treason or something - self agrandising wankers who would doubtless reform the Nazi party if they thought they had a shot at the leadership.... Both sides of my family payed a price in blood during WW2 and the survivours would be the least war like people you could imagine. They were horrified by war and shed tears openly at the memories and the aftermath in places like Dresden but the simple reality was - they could not afford to do nothing. Evil does exist, and it exists in the hearts of men and those men need to be stopped. Often that stopping involves good men doing bad things and while the dead pay with their lives, the survivours also pay a great price. A lifetime of memories and a weight on the soul that never diminishes. War is not a light thing and if you need the proof - wander this country slowly and look at the memorials placed in all corners of this land - erected by the living in thanks - there is a LOT of them.

Argue all you want about the morality of war but it happens and will always do so and old soldiers don't generally want a repeat of the situation. To behave so on this day is a shabby act, especially given the multitude of opportunities in modern democracy for us to speak our minds. It is a very poor show to try and denigh the dead their day of rememberance and the chance to speak their stories. For shame on these people, no matter how noble their motives, their self ego and aggression is the greater evil here.

[Donor]

Why not use Uncle Helens favourite - charge the bastards with sedition.

From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition):


Sedition is a term of law to refer to convert conduct such as speech and organization that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel.

I'm no legal mind, hell I'm barely in my own long enough to check the answering machine, but we have to nail these sods, and this looks feasable...

[Patriot]

Today I am riding my Harley to the memory of this day dedicated to all those who had served and fell in battle.I agree we talk of how sweet we got it and stuff like that but in the end remember that people like you and me fought for peace and died.In my little corner of the world I never want to see what my elders saw.Not me or any of my childrens, children.

" Lest we forget "

[MD]

And the Govt. is thinking about removing sedition as a crime. Just in the nick of time these two wankers stand up as proof that we can still find just reason to hang worthless pieces of shit masquerading as humans.
I didn't go to the local ANZAC service today to defend anything that these 'past-their-use-by-date-left-over-hippies' claim that the day is about.

Their false statement that it is about 'lest we commit again' is rubbish. It's never been about that. Ás Paul said it's about paying respect to brave and selfless young men and women that gave up their lives or put their lives at risk to defend what they felt was worth defending. These idiots can't try and judge with their 2007 values (which appear to be non-existent) what was judged worthwhile 65 or 93 years ago. I respect and am truly grateful for what our previous generations have done for us. THAT'S WHY I GO TO ANZAC SERVICES.
Burning our flag is disgraceful behaviour on any day but so much worse to try and hijack ANZAC day for your own agenda. Today belongs solely to the war vets, lest we forget [ their sacrifice for us]

[Flatcap]

So they were National party supporters then? Certainly anti-labour. Hmmm... another reason for me to not vote National.

EDIT: Oh I just found out they are Green supporters. So please ignore this post.

It's logic like the above that shows why universal sufferage should be abolished.

[Timber020]

They werent the only ones causing trouble. We were on the parliment side next to the road. Some wasps were disturbed in the native grasses on the bank and at least 30 people were stung including some kids who were really screaming. I saw people patting there pants etc, the wasps while the people were standing i the long grasses had climbed up the inside of their pants and stung them. Not good.

I put my hand on my wife, not seeing a wasp on her shoulder so I got stung, and flicked another that was crawling on her head. At an event which is usually somber, in the dark since you couldnt see the wasps the little area of chaos seems almost comedic. People couldnt work out what was going on.

As for the protesters, they are self inflated self righteous egos that, like christians, muslims and honda riders, think that their opinion and belief is above all others and they have to impress it on others.

I am offended and pissed they should choose such a time to protest but I do vigorously support their right to protest. Pity they show no respect to those who fought and died so that they could have that right.

[Manxman]

Doesn't matter what the message is. The people/person who did it need to suffer. You people voted for the Government we have now. There is a process for changing it.

The message does not make it right, and the lads who died would no more sanction the defacing of a memorial because someone wanted a bit of a public whinge, than fly to the Moon wearing puttees.

I hope the stinking vandals get jail time.

Here, here. Onya Jim2.

There are more appropriate (less selfish and 'look at me') ways of protesting against war - like you said government decides where, when & how we go to war, or peacekeep...the NZDF is just the means of delivering that decision. Go lay yourselves on parliament steps...

Therefore, how very wrong and immature to disrupt a service of remembrance for those who died doing what was asked of them. One can only hope that these people mature with age (although looking at the age of the bloke, this could take some time).

It never ceases to amaze me that these sort of people just don't get it...ie if NZ didn't contribute then where would we be now?

ANZAC is not, n o t, NOT a celebration, or glorification of war. It is a symbolic remembrance of those who died to do the right thing and what they were asked to do.

These people should be exposed to the modern defence force, and quickly they will find that they are thoroughly professional, with an integrity beyond most other professions.

To them I say "You've had your 15 seconds of fame - now go and do something productive with your lives..."

[Steam]

All this talk of hanging them or shooting them, or sending them to concentration camps, that's far more disturbing than the actions of the dumb protesters. (if you really mean it.)
That's Nazi stuff / Communist Russia / Today's China / North Korea / Iraq under Saddam.
If you want to live in a country where people aren't free to piss off other people by doing dumb shit like those dicks did this morning, go to one of the abovenamed countries.

For Craps Sakes, that's what the servicemen were fighting for, democracy and freedom. Protesting in public and saying stuff you don't like - however inappropriate and insensitive - is a part of that. Sure they should go before a judge for disturbing the peace or spraying graffitti, but to kill them? Nah.

Aarg!

[scumdog]

ANZAC Day Protest - Lest we forget: already forgotten

"Lest we forget that the military has, and always will, exist for the sole purpose of waging war," said Valerie Morse.

.

No shit Valerie - YOU are very likely here because somebody somewhere in the past was prepared to die defending our way of life.....without 'military' how would you have been here?

Kiss my shitty agro arse you mole.

[Idol Rider]

Yeah I agree string them up.
ANZAC day is the one day ALL kiwis stand together as one and remember those who fought to make our nation what it is today.
Shame on them:angry:

[James Deuce]

For Craps Sakes, that's what the servicemen were fighting for, democracy and freedom. Protesting in public and saying stuff you don't like - however inappropriate and insensitive - is a part of that. Sure they should go before a judge for disturbing the peace or spraying graffitti, but to kill them? Nah.

Aarg!

No it isn't and the servicemen I know most definitely did NOT serve their country for people who've had nothing worse than having to have 2 weetbix for breakfast instead of 3 happen to them, to use the blood they spilled to make a political point on the one day we solemnly remember the sacrifice they made for a couple of Political and Economic Empires. The wider context has obviously escaped you and them.

Being a citizen of a country has responsibilities that these losers are utterly unprepared to shoulder. I have no problem with the message. The protest they ran at Te Papa was exemplary.

Doing what they did on ANZAC Day was the lowest form of base insult that could possibly be perpetrated. People do not die for their country so people can "choose" to exercise their "free speech" on one of two days in the calendar year that should never be messed with, days that we put aside differences to remember people who allowed us to maintain those differences. It is at the very least discourteous and undignified.

[Swoop]

However, anger towards these idiots is not, in my view, the answer cause I imagine those that fell will feel sorry for them and know that they have the respect of those who care, even if for a day.
Fuck off. These cunts need a beating and an education that a vet would give them if they were around today. Fuckers! I wish I was present when these arsesholes of society started their mini-parade!

...and the cessation of all military training and joint exercises with other armies," concluded Valerie Morse.
Valerie, you really need to to grow up.

As for the protesters, they are self inflated self righteous egos that, like christians, muslims and honda riders, think that their opinion and belief is above all others and they have to impress it on others.
Have some rep for that retarded comment. You are insulting people in more ways than one. Grow a brain for fucks sake. You think all "XYZ-brand" riders are going to be affiliated with certain terrorist organisations???

[Grahameeboy]

1. Fuck off. These cunts need a beating and an education that a vet would give them if they were around today.

2. Have some rep for that retarded comment. You are insulting people in more ways than one. Grow a brain for fucks sake.

Okay.

1. No need for that Sir. They have done some good stuff in the past and they just didn't think this one out.

2. I agree, not all Christians, Muslims think their beliefs are above all others etc.

[sAsLEX]

"Lest we forget that the military has, and always will, exist for the sole purpose of waging war," said Valerie Morse.


"Peace Action Wellington demands the immediate withdrawal of all New Zealand troops and the cessation of all military training and joint exercises with other armies," concluded Valerie Morse.

Ummm have they noted one of the main aims of our new ships is fishery protection to ensure our resources aren't raped by other nations and remain sustainable, and disaster relief?


Why cut training with other Armies? What about other Navies....... We are to small a military to support all the required training we need.

[Skyryder]

I stopped getting upset over tossers years back. They were arrested. They will get charged convicted and this will be on their record for the rest of their lives. They may think this is no big thing at the moment but the past has a way of catching up. Some call it 'just deserts.' I call it karma.

On another note I see that ACT, the Maori Party, United Future and the Greens have all called for the repeal of the sedition laws.

Will more of this sort of thing happen if the sedition laws are repealed?? To be honest I don't know.............???????????

Skyryder

[Finn]

I hope the protesters get cancer in their reproductive organs. This way they won't be able to breed while they suffer a long and agonising death.

I beached myself on the coach today watching the History channel on war. Fuck, we don't know how easy we've got it.

[Swoop]

ANZAC is not, n o t, NOT a celebration, or glorification of war. It is a symbolic remembrance of those who died to do the right thing and what they were asked to do.
You have been blung!

1.No need for that Sir. They have done some good stuff in the past and they just didn't think this one out.

2.I agree, not all Christians, Muslims think their beliefs are above all others etc.
#1. Thinking would be a good thing before burning the NZ flag and showing utter disrespect at a dawn parade. (Refer to Manxmans post).
#2: It is not about religion. Do not relate a type of motorcycle with a particular type of religion.

[James Deuce]

You can't have a rational discussion with people who are comfortable with desecration Alex, neither do they have a rational grip on what constitutes the role of the Modern NZ Navy, Army, or Air Transport Corps, oops Air Force.

That discussion is not something that should be aired on ANZAC day.

I will never give another cent to any Hippy organisation as a result of this disgusting grandstanding. Ever.

The whales can go to hell, the Amazon can be burned down for pasture, and "The Children" can bloody well save themselves.

[Toaster]

Who cares about politics? FFS this is about shit stirrers who will always be shit stirrers. This is a day for those who wish to remember and be thankful show their respect. If you want to protest, do it some other day, stand for government. Assholes are just trying to be assholes... and they did a good job of it too.

I agree, yes everyone has the right to protest peacefully, but their behaviour was disorderly and disrespectful to the veterans and soldiers lost in the wars past as they commemorate those that lost their lives.

[Toaster]

I beached myself on the coach today watching the History channel on war. Fuck, we don't know how easy we've got it.

Damn right mate. We live in the me myself and I generation. A vast difference to those that did what they did in generations past for the sake of others they would never know.

[BigG]

And the Govt. is thinking about removing sedition as a crime. Just in the nick of time these two wankers stand up as proof that we can still find just reason to hang worthless pieces of shit masquerading as humans.
I didn't go to the local ANZAC service today to defend anything that these 'past-their-use-by-date-left-over-hippies' claim that the day is about.

Their false statement that it is about 'lest we commit again' is rubbish. It's never been about that. Ás Paul said it's about paying respect to brave and selfless young men and women that gave up their lives or put their lives at risk to defend what they felt was worth defending. These idiots can't try and judge with their 2007 values (which appear to be non-existent) what was judged worthwhile 65 or 93 years ago. I respect and am truly grateful for what our previous generations have done for us. THAT'S WHY I GO TO ANZAC SERVICES.
Burning our flag is disgraceful behaviour on any day but so much worse to try and hijack ANZAC day for your own agenda. Today belongs solely to the war vets, lest we forget [ their sacrifice for us]

Amen well said Dude

[Delerium]

Here's the press release from the protesters... But I would like to say I do not support their actions and I think it was totally inappropriate. So don't attack me, I'm just the messenger. I have a military-wannabe bike. I like war.

ANZAC Day Protest - Lest we forget: already forgotten

Members of Peace Action Wellington (PAW) demonstrated at the Wellington ANZAC Day dawn service this morning, displaying banners that said "Lest We Forget: Already Forgotten - Afghanistan, Solomon Islands, Timor Leste" and "Conscientious Objectors: the real war heroes."

"ANZAC Day has ceased to be a day where we commit to 'never again', and has instead become nothing less than a celebration of the New Zealand military and the glorification of war," said Valerie Morse, Peace Action Wellington member.

"Lest we forget that the New Zealand military is currently engaged in combat in Afghanistan, the Solomon Islands and Timor Leste. Lest we forget that the New Zealand military is currently deployed in 18 different missions around
the world."

"Lest we forget that the military has, and always will, exist for the sole purpose of waging war," said Valerie Morse.

This morning's demonstration also marks the launch of Peace Action Wellington's 'NZ Troops Out Now' campaign. For further information about the campaign, go to www.nztroopsoutnow.org

"Peace Action Wellington demands the immediate withdrawal of all New Zealand troops and the cessation of all military training and joint exercises with other armies," concluded Valerie Morse.

And yet if it wasnt for the sacrifice that these very people, those that have served have made, these 'protestors' (I want attention) wouldnt be alive to make these statements. Guess what, those that are in the military are NOT war mongers. They serve to improve and prove themselves, to do their bit to preserve everybodys way of life. ANZAC day is NOT glorification of the military. is it recognition of the sacrifice made, a warning for the future and a time of reflection.

These peoples actions are in very poor taste. They are incorrect in their assumptions of the poples that serve attitudes and what ANZAC day is about. Their actions are blatently disrespectful, arogant and and down right rude.

Guess what, nobody wants to go and kill somebody. The referances to where people are serving. It fails to recognize why we are there. WE WERE ASKED TO GO TO TIMOR! We are not invading these places in an attempt to permanently occupy. They may disagree why we are in afghanistan. Do they then agree with the telebans actions of destroying the ancient bhuddas that were there. What did that achieve. These people need to get a grip.

NZ seems to have a general lack of patriotism.

[candor]

They lived in a world where life was simple. That was all changed by the wars that they fought in. They didn't choose to have their names engraved on a memorial. In a more simple world there would be far more simple and direct punishment.

It was more simple. An old man who was my neighbour when I was little called Jerry, just so happened to murder his wife and her lover in a crime of passion. He was quite meek and mild type normally and he used to help us make fudge!

But back to the point. His punishment........ he was given a choice in the 40's. Jerrys choice was to
A) Await processing in the Justice system after the war
B) Go to the front lines where survival averaged - not long!
What did Jerry do? He went to war, fought for NZ and survived (obviously) and returned a free man.

As Colapop said "in a simple more direct world - perhaps....(mre simple direct punishment)" .... like we'd be sending these people to a war zone to make citizens out of them?

I think I do understand the Dunedin protest. I agree with their sentiment that this Govt is seditious (if thats a word). I do believe strongly as hell that my grandad who was in Italy, Egypt and J Force as well and had some shellshock would be rolling in his grave if he knew how crap this country is going or gone.

People like Valerie don't get it. They are scared of their shadow - their active masculine principle. They don't understand that the warrior is needed EXACTLY as someone said BECAUSE BAD / EVIL DOES EXIST, and is an expression of love for the generations to come, not a bloodthirsty degeneracy.

If pacifists did not have warriors to defend them thee genes would not be long in the gene pool long. The stupidity of it all overwhealms me. They need to visit Monte Cassino (one of saddest places I've been along with Montsegur the last cathar stronghold) or maybe Dachau which they would never dare to disrespect as the tapu is tangible.

How I know war is love, is I know the thought of future generations is what kept them going. How I know is because my granddads lot of soldiers (?word)swore to give their medals to their oldest grandkids once home (if they ever got any).

He gave his medal to me when I was about 4 with a strange look and sombre heavy tone. He said "this is for you - it means NOTHING to me". Spent years figuring it out. Revisited it in my mind every few years seeing it from a different angle. If I tell people the guys have a different perspective than females on it. All I know is he did not like what he did, saw or learnt - which was never discussed (tho we got some ideas from his dying ramblings)- and greatly regreted the experience yet I'm sure he would do it again.

*Respect* to that. Prolly all these parties want to get rid of sedition because they are treacherous and have big plans for idiot protests?? Its got to say something about us that a whole lot think thats a priority

[NZHog]

I support their right to protest,they used it inappropriately. I would have told them so had I seen them.



They were Peace Action Wellington, they are very media-savvy. Their protest against the arms industry conference at Te Papa was actually quite cool and effective, but this Anzac Day protest was going way way too far.
http://peacewellington.org/index.html

[Skyryder]

I support their right to protest,they used it inappropriately. I would have told them so had I seen them.


I don't. Not at a service commemorating those that have given their life for their country.

Skyryder

[nudemetalz]

I agree, Fellow Guzzi Owner !!
It was one thing to have their protesting banners (which I didn't support by the way) but to disrupt the service which paid a tribute to allowing these a-holes to be alive is another thing.
Made me sick and want to go over and give them a 7.62mm injection !!!

[Paul in NZ]

This has grated me all day....

Above all else - we should remember that ANZAC day is not about agrandising the NZ Military which is one of the lowest key militaries in the world (and good on em) but in recent years, as the diggers from WW1 have marched into history, it is about our fathers and grandfathers (and the women too - just being lazy mit der typing) and what happened to THEM and US telling them THANKS for winning WW2. Thanks for a hell of a lot...

Why?

It's hard to say - harder to listen to and as time goes by, even harder for people to understand. Hard to understand how a young mechanic from ChCh could end up (after lying about his age and giving up a rank to get an overseas posting) in an advanced unit in Italy and be awoken in the night by a raid by a stranded group of SS troopers and jump from the back of his truck with his two mates right into the sweep of sub machine gun fire, have his two mates fall mortally wounded either side while he stands there faced with a child with a machine gun desperate to get home and willing to kill for a truck. HIS truck and now with a jammed sub machine gun facing a gentle man with two dead friends and a functional .303....... What would you do???Tears on both sides and no winners - but my dad took him prisioner. No trophies and no pride in evil deeds. Despite all this, and being at Monte Casino and many other places my father never raised a hand to me in violence (or any other creature I'm aware of) and is a decent man to this day. He need not justify HIS actions to me and if I am judged to be half the man he and his were I'd be happy...

Those men - on this ONE DAY deserve our understanding and support. They went through hell and potentially - the end of there world. To protest like that, to disturb such a moment... with those old men present..... well... I'm very very angry about it... BASTARDS.....

I'm thinking of protesting outside their next meeting - fucking low life cunts - I bet they would not have the balls to be CO's or anything if push came to shove... Bloody cowards

[Ixion]

Hm. Just a wee thought. A lot of Kiwis , and Brits and Yanks, went off to war, to die defending their country and what they believed in. They did their duty, and we , very properly , honour their memory.

A lot of Germans, and Italians, and Russian, and Japs (and others) went off to war, to die defending their country and what they believed in. They did their duty too. Should we honour *their* memory? Or is it just the memory of people on the winning side. Just wondering.

[Big Dave]

Or is it just the memory of people on the winning side. Just wondering.

Johnny Turk gets a nod at the Galipoli service.

[James Deuce]

Hm. Just a wee thought. A lot of Kiwis , and Brits and Yanks, went off to war, to die defending their country and what they believed in. They did their duty, and we , very properly , honour their memory.

A lot of Germans, and Italians, and Russian, and Japs (and others) went off to war, to die defending their country and what they believed in. They did their duty too. Should we honour *their* memory? Or is it just the memory of people on the winning side. Just wondering.

Johannes Steinhoff, Adolf Galland, Saburo Sakai.

All took the time to write back to a 10 year old boy who was encouraged by his English Grandfather to do just that after reading their Autobiographical War Diaries.

They're just people.

[Macktheknife]

I am surprised that the nearest people didn't smack these guys, I would have done. Burn the flag and disrespect those who gave so much for the rest of us, not on my watch.
Bastards.

[Krusti]

The one thing that makes me proud to be a kiwi and makes me well up in side is the way our fore fathers fought in past conflicts.

There are many negative things you can say about NZ but when real men where needed we were the best. I have nothing but respect for any kiwi war vet and I don't think many of us can even begin to comprehend what those guys went through.

How dare any one try to minimise what our guys did. We are not celebrating war but saying thanks to our fore fathers.

I am never more proud to be a Kiwi than I am on Anzac day.

[ManDownUnder]

I am surprised that the nearest people didn't smack these guys, I would have done. Burn the flag and disrespect those who gave so much for the rest of us, not on my watch.
Bastards.

Exactly... while not condoning violence, I have a level of respect for those that gave their lives that FAR exceeds the respect I have the right of one or two to mouth off at them.

Would i't be a shame if one or two of the fighting forces got a bit pissed of and smacked them on behalf of those that had gone before? It'd be kinda fitting really - It'd be defence of another member of the NZ fighting forces, or their honor at the very least.

The protestors deserve absolute fucking grief, and put money on the fact they'll be there next year - in their minds they'll have suceeded... so... a whole year to plan a nice retaliation.

Mack - you and me... bit of a diversion, get all the cops over with us - maybe give them a coffee or something. Snipe Sarge... you got any tactics... y'know either"Silently drop them and make them REALLY hurt", or maybe just walk up and a single blow to the (soon to be broken) nose?

Na - fuck 'em. I don't have the balls to be on the receiving end of hot lead - and I'll admit it. I hugely respect anyone that does.

[ManDownUnder]

A lot of Germans, and Italians, and Russian, and Japs (and others) went off to war, to die defending their country and what they believed in. They did their duty too. Should we honour *their* memory? Or is it just the memory of people on the winning side. Just wondering.


Yes - Without question. Who wins a war is a function of superior tactics, training and equipment. It doesn't confirm who was right or wrong. What confirms it for me is when the 70+ year olds reunite after 50 years apart. Last time they'd have shot each other on sight.

While I'm loathe to speak on their behalf, it seems there is no a mutual respect for each other. Possibly brought together by the horrors of war. I don't know, and hope I never do.

My point is I will probably never have to because of men like them. How can I not be grateful?

[Macktheknife]

Exactly... while not condoning violence, I have a level of respect for those that gave their lives that FAR exceeds the respect I have the right of one or two to mouth off at them.

Would i't be a shame if one or two of the fighting forces got a bit pissed of and smacked them on behalf of those that had gone before? It'd be kinda fitting really - It'd be defence of another member of the NZ fighting forces, or their honor at the very least.

The protestors deserve absolute fucking grief, and put money on the fact they'll be there next year - in their minds they'll have suceeded... so... a whole year to plan a nice retaliation.

Mack - you and me... bit of a diversion, get all the cops over with us - maybe give them a coffee or something. Snipe Sarge... you got any tactics... y'know either"Silently drop them and make them REALLY hurt", or maybe just walk up and a single blow to the (soon to be broken) nose?

Na - fuck 'em. I don't have the balls to be on the receiving end of hot lead - and I'll admit it. I hugely respect anyone that does.

You rang sir?
I am here to serve.... would anyone else care to serve?

[ManDownUnder]

You rang sir?
I am here to serve.... would anyone else care to serve?

On this rarest of occasions... actually... yes.

[MSTRS]

My email to 'that lot'...
Do you people own a dictionary? Suggest you buy one, look up the word "respect" and meditate on the meaning. Then have a group hug and forgive yourselves for that disgusting set of displays. The rest of NZ won't be forgiving you cretins any time soon.

[James Deuce]

Every hippy that approaches me on the street in Wellington is going to be asked if they have ANY affiliation with Peace Action Wellington.

I will then make a decision based on just how annoying they are as to whether I make them cry or run away.

[MSTRS]

..... Peace Action Wellington..

.

I wonder who the CAT'S are...since there is always a puppetmaster somewhere out of sight

[ManDownUnder]

Every hippy that approaches me on the street in Wellington is going to be asked if they have ANY affiliation with Peace Action Wellington.



I will then make a decision based on just how annoying they are as to whether I make them cry or run away.


Don't be silly... you don't have to wait for them to come to you...

Here - look (http://www.peacewellington.org/)

[Lias]

I'm bloody glad I was at the dawn parade in Hamilton this year, and not Wellington, as I guarantee I'd be in the cells for GBH or attempted murder if I'd been in Wellington.


Valerie Morse, 35, was charged with offensive behaviour for allegedly burning the New Zealand flag.

Mark Daniel Rawnsley, 29, faces charges of obstruction and resisting arrest after allegedly trying to disrupt the service by blowing a plastic horn.

We have their names. We know what city they are in. Personally nothing would give me greater satisfaction than seeing them dead but quite frankly they arnt worth the bullet and the cost of the lawyers :-P

Lets find out where they live, and drop flyers to the surrounding area telling their neighbours what sort of scum they are living near. On the off chance they arnt dolebludgers try and find out where they work and email their employers expressing anger, and threatening a boycott if they dont fire them.

I'm sure we can think of other things if we put our minds together.

[James Deuce]

Neither Rawnsley nor Morse have a phone account in those names.

[SARGE]

Mack - you and me... bit of a diversion, get all the cops over with us - maybe give them a coffee or something. Snipe Sarge... you got any tactics... y'know either"Silently drop them and make them REALLY hurt", or maybe just walk up and a single blow to the (soon to be broken) nose?



no man ... thats not public enough .. dragged into the open and have the boot laid to them repeatedly ..

why beat around the bush at that point?

"you want attention you stinking hippy???"


while i agree that in a free society, one has the right to free speech..time and a place for it and that was neither .. they disrespected the nation and the memories..


i would wear the 30 days in jail as a badge of honor

[Skyryder]

Neither Rawnsley nor Morse have a phone account in those names.


You mean you have actually gone to the trouble and looked. J2 These two shitters arn't worth the time or trouble.

Go for a long ride and let the magic of life be your reminder of those that have died.

Skyryder

[SARGE]

peacewellington@hotmail.com


lets have them over for some Chai Tea and Wholemeal muffins shall we ?

[jrandom]

I have to say, I'm very surprised that they didn't suffer at the hands of the other attendees.

Probably because there was a significant cop presence and the hippies in question were covered in fuzz within seconds. I did note that it was an 'attempted' flag burning. How long does it take to set a flag on fire?

I do recall thinking at the Auckland service that it would be a prime opportunity for someone opposed to what it stood for to make their point in offensive or violent terms. I don't imagine that all the gentlemen standing around the cenotaph in dress uniform with Steyrs had loaded magazines handy.

However, I can't really see how anyone in their right mind could be opposed to ANZAC day.

Cunts.

Now, just to be clear, I don't think what they did should be illegal. I just think that it should also not be illegal for them to be kicked repeatedly in the kidneys.

[Donor]

info@peacewellington.org

Anybody got a contact in the Spam industry?

Ah sod it, just have the whole *.peacewellington.org domain submitted to the Spam machine...

Hmmm... must make a phone call...

[SARGE]

Dear PeaceWellington;

I would like to take a moment to thank you for your protest on Anzac Day. It really did alot for me personally to realize that WAR IS HELL, and if we continue to honor the fallen, it will just serve to glorify murder. Please send some representatives to my house with some more information on your fine organization .. the more the merrier..

regards;

XXXXX

Mt, Roskill, Auckland

021 xxxxxxx

[PuppetMaster]

I wonder who the CAT'S are...since there is always a puppetmaster somewhere out of sight


Hey hey, calm down, i had nothing to do with it :chase:

[Delerium]

Exactly... while not condoning violence, I have a level of respect for those that gave their lives that FAR exceeds the respect I have the right of one or two to mouth off at them.

Would i't be a shame if one or two of the fighting forces got a bit pissed of and smacked them on behalf of those that had gone before? It'd be kinda fitting really - It'd be defence of another member of the NZ fighting forces, or their honor at the very least.

The protestors deserve absolute fucking grief, and put money on the fact they'll be there next year - in their minds they'll have suceeded... so... a whole year to plan a nice retaliation.

Mack - you and me... bit of a diversion, get all the cops over with us - maybe give them a coffee or something. Snipe Sarge... you got any tactics... y'know either"Silently drop them and make them REALLY hurt", or maybe just walk up and a single blow to the (soon to be broken) nose?

Na - fuck 'em. I don't have the balls to be on the receiving end of hot lead - and I'll admit it. I hugely respect anyone that does.

You should of seen the footage of the cops arresting them, it wasnt a quiet come with me. No those on the cenotaph guard do NOT have loaded weapons.

[Bend-it]

You should of seen the footage of the cops arresting them, it wasnt a quiet come with me. No those on the cenotaph guard do NOT have loaded weapons.

Oooh, the cops might have violated their civil liberties, completely inappropriate in a civilised society like NZ... p/t

Stick 'em with a wooden spoon, I say...

Don't need a loaded rifle to hurt someone... the rifle butt has some discomfort-causing abilities too... Oh yeah, and the bayonet...

[ManDownUnder]

i would wear the 30 days in jail as a badge of honor

I hear Jail food's not too flash... Big Macs ok with you? LOL (rhetorical).

[SARGE]

I hear Jail food's not too flash... Big Macs ok with you? LOL (rhetorical).

i could eat my weight in Big Macs .. i hear they have SkyTv too

any word on free ciggies yet?

[Bend-it]

All 250 lbs?!?! ;)

[sAsLEX]

I do recall thinking at the Auckland service that it would be a prime opportunity for someone opposed to what it stood for to make their point in offensive or violent terms. I don't imagine that all the gentlemen standing around the cenotaph in dress uniform with Steyrs had loaded magazines handy.



Fix bayonets?

Or else just swing the thing as a bloody club!

[Ixion]

Fix bayonets?

Or else just swing the thing as a bloody club!

Don't some of those dudes have swords?

[SARGE]

All 250 lbs?!?! ;)



i actually prefer the metric system now ... means im only 120....not 265 pounds or 19 stone

[mstriumph]

Fix bayonets?

Or else just swing the thing as a bloody club!

or a nice, old-fashioned, thump in the chops with the blunt end :innocent:

[candor]

Hey hey, calm down, i had nothing to do with it :chase:

For the puppetmaster of Morse et al I vote Bradford. Her job description could just be hampering her usual style

[Delerium]

Don't some of those dudes have swords?

Yes officers have ceremonial swords, wouldnt want to use one in a fight. they are ceremonial. In saying that when I wouldnt want to catch somebody if they passed out while holding one.

[Mr Merde]

I kept off this thread until now.

I have always honoured ANZAC Day. Even in the UK when I was there I always placed a poppy on the local memorial on 25th April. I also participated in the Armistice Day events over there.

Both my grandfathers fought in WW1, one in the Somme at age 16 and the other in Gallipoli.

A lot of mu uncles served in WW2. None died but a few were wounded.

My father fought in Malaya and Vietnam.

I served in the NZ and British armies.

These days are for remembering those who didnt come back.

Even to this day I never pass a memorial without a nod of respect.

If it was up to me I would take those f#$kers out the back of some shithole and just leave them there with the rest of the filth.

Very mild to what I am thinking.


Mr :shit:

[scumdog]

"Must spread some reputation around"

My old man was in the fiercest of fighting in Malaya in the mid'50's...he's got the medals to prove it.

[sAsLEX]

Don't some of those dudes have swords?

Not generally at ANZAC day, Wilkinson used to make ours......

[Grahameeboy]

You guys are so aggresive.............I don't agree with what these guys did, however, we live in a democracy which is what was fought for......you know freedom of speech.............however there is a line and we should just let our free country deal with these guys within the law of the country.

[Colapop]

You guys are so aggresive.............Do you think that it's because of the depth of feeling about this special day???

[sAsLEX]

however, we live in a democracy which is what was fought for......you know freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech and expression without people ruining that?


How many servicemen practice their volleys or NGFS whilst these people have their say at their time?

[Kickaha]

My old man was in the fiercest of fighting in Malaya in the mid'50's...he's got the medals to prove it.

Mine was there as well, although he said they were just there to drink the cheap beer

[Nasty]

You guys are so aggresive.............I don't agree with what these guys did, however, we live in a democracy which is what was fought for......you know freedom of speech.............however there is a line and we should just let our free country deal with these guys within the law of the country.

I don't remember seeing freedom of speech in our laws .. I thought that was America ... oh well I better go and have another look :-/

"13Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

14Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

I guess you could say it is covered under these two ... but I think we have the right to express not to speech. Oh well too technical .... off to a morning cha.

[Grahameeboy]

Do you think that it's because of the depth of feeling about this special day???

Yes however, I am a soft bugger and just don't think aggression is the way to go....sure tell them what and how you feel about their actions.

I mean how would a vet feel if these guys were set upon by 'deep feelings'......would they agree? Probably not.

Don't get me wrong CP......I agree with you except for the 'aggresive bit'....hey you have seen me...I am a wimp....

[Grahameeboy]

I don't remember seeing freedom of speech in our laws .. I thought that was America ... oh well I better go and have another look :-/

"13Freedom of thought, conscience, and religion
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, and belief, including the right to adopt and to hold opinions without interference.

14Freedom of expression
Everyone has the right to freedom of expression, including the freedom to seek, receive, and impart information and opinions of any kind in any form.

I guess you could say it is covered under these two ... but I think we have the right to express not to speech. Oh well too technical .... off to a morning cha.

And these guys did that but then went too far...........and they will be dealt with.

[Grahameeboy]

Freedom of speech and expression without people ruining that?


How many servicemen practice their volleys or NGFS whilst these people have their say at their time?

I agree and these guys ruined that by going to far, just saying that I don't agree with the 'hang em' brigade.

[sAsLEX]

I agree and these guys ruined that by going to far, just saying that I don't agree with the 'hang em' brigade.

So how do you suppose you get through to them?

I mean its hardly a week goes by without some left leaning greeny group breaking the laws of this country to try get their views across.

[Grahameeboy]

So how do you suppose you get through to them?

I mean its hardly a week goes by without some left leaning greeny group breaking the laws of this country to try get their views across.

At the end of the day these guys are free people. Who are we to dictate to them......

If they break the laws then they are dealt with by the Justice system which is part of the Democracy that was fought for.

Just let them be and let the consequences of their actions deal with them.

[James Deuce]

Absolutely not Graham. There are all sorts of ways life can be made uncomfortable for these people and it will be done.

Our "Justice" system is without teeth in regard to sedition and treason.

ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day are not available for hippies to make political points and they won't learn that if they aren't punished and punished so strongly that everyone learns that you can't mess with the two days set aside to contemplate the folly of war and sacrifice made that allows hippies to protest.

You watch a man shrivel up as he relates the fact that of a Commando unit of 238 men responsible for setting up a bridgehead and establishing a logistics centre he's one of 2 that left Norway and then tell me that the hippies were exercising their rights. Any other day of the year they'd have my support. I don't want to see people go through the sort of hell that these guys went through 60 years ago, just to have it cheapened by a bunch of beneficiaries with nothing else to do.

At worst these hippies might get community service. Just for once Graham, you're wrong. These hippies are so out of order I want to vomit.

[Grahameeboy]

Absolutely not Graham. There are all sorts of ways life can be made uncomfortable for these people and it will be done.

Our "Justice" system is without teeth in regard to sedition and treason.

ANZAC Day and Remembrance Day are not available for hippies to make political points and they won't learn that if they aren't punished and punished so strongly that everyone learns that you can't mess with the two days set aside to contemplate the folly of war and sacrifice made that allows hippies to protest.

You watch a man shrivel up as he relates the fact that of a Commando unit of 238 men responsible for setting up a bridgehead and establishing a logistics centre he's one of 2 that left Norway and then tell me that the hippies were exercising their rights. Any other day of the year they'd have my support. I don't want to see people go through the sort of hell that these guys went through 60 years ago, just to have it cheapened by a bunch of beneficiaries with nothing else to do.

At worst these hippies might get community service. Just for once Graham, you're wrong. These hippies are so out of order I want to vomit.


I have never said they were not wrong, just let the Justice system deal with them not aggression.........eek.......but uncomfortable works for me.....

[James Deuce]

There is no justice system in regard to this particular type of act and the laws that cover it are in the midst of being dismantled. Our current Government are not ones to admit they were wrong and will most likely pass a Bill that strikes the events of Anzac Day 2007 from record.

Any other day except this one.

[Grahameeboy]

There is no justice system in regard to this particular type of act and the laws that cover it are in the midst of being dismantled. Our current Government are not ones to admit they were wrong and will most likely pass a Bill that strikes the events of Anzac Day 2007 from record.

Okay but shame you feel that way. Mind you I never vote cause I just not into it and just try to enjoy life, worts and all......I have my own battles with the Govt which you know about

Any other day except this one.

Agree

...............................

[Nasty]

And these guys did that but then went too far...........and they will be dealt with.

Actually I think they breached other peoples rights .. e.g. 16 Freedom of peaceful assembly etc that they will get done for ... I face the fact that they were stupid and should not have been there for the purpose they were.

[Grahameeboy]

Actually I think they breached other peoples rights .. e.g. 16 Freedom of peaceful assembly etc that they will get done for ... I face the fact that they were stupid and should not have been there for the purpose they were.

I agree..the Parade was not the place to air their view cause it was simply a memorial service to remember those that fell in battle, nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of war, arms or whatever.

Shame is that globally the Movement does a lot of good......just took 2 idiots to ruin the good that is done...

[James Deuce]

I agree..the Parade was not the place to air their view cause it was simply a memorial service to remember those that fell in battle, nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of war, arms or whatever.

Shame is that globally the Movement does a lot of good......just took 2 idiots to ruin the good that is done...

There was more than two. They were the people that were "sacrificed" to make a point. Quite convenient that the two people have no phone records, no power records, no mortgage, and no tenancy agreement in their name, isn't it? To all intents and purposes they are non-citizens. They don't contribute. They thieve and spit on the memory of more than 30000 dead people.

The rest of the organisation had an opportunity to make it right by dealing with those two themselves, in public view. They didn't so they are all culpable.

I didn't think it was possible to to raise my ire and then 48 hours later find it hardening into something that I probably should have developed a few years ago.

[MSTRS]

Aggression towards this pair (and their fellow cretins) has little or no place. Aggression is posturing, threats and talk of retribution. Not good enough.
These c**ts stomped all over the sensibilities of NZers, and the law is insufficient to deal with them. Natural justice should have had a place in this case, and still should.

[SARGE]

however there is a line and we should just let our free country deal with these guys within the law of the country.

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

[Mr Merde]

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

Yes those are the ones. That is the system. Dont you feel safe and protected by them? They do so much to promote that inner feeling of oneness with the peoples of the world.

You should feel honoured that the potitically correct and the "powers that be" allow you to have such liberties and rights.

With out them allowing you to have them you could be at the mercy of any scumbag that decides that their needs and wants are more important than yours. Whoops I just described the government.

So to reiterate.

Enjoy what they have given you, bask in the knowledge that the state doesnt give a shit about your needs and want unless you happen to be an underprivilged criminal scumbag


Mr :shit:

[sAsLEX]

are these the same laws that gave that kid that killed his mate in the car accident 3 months supervision?.. the same laws that see murderers released from prison only to do it again ? .. the same laws that prosecute shop owners for shooting a maniac with a machete ?..


ok... just checking ...

That put people n prison to suffer with......


nice meals

LCD Tvs

XBOX

Playstation

Sky

the chance to earn whilst in there

guards that are no longer allowed to physically intimidate, let alone strike you for misbehaving

and have your stay shortened for some reason unkown to most by the parole board

[Skyryder]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

[SARGE]

Enjoy what they have given you, bask in the knowledge that the state doesnt give a shit about your needs and want unless you happen to be an underprivilged criminal scumbag


Mr :shit:

6 months ago .. i was laying all snuggled up in bed about 1 am .. i heard my son yell.. i ran downstairs and the back door was open.. my son told me that he woke up and this guy in a hoodie was in his room standing over his bed ..my son yelled and he heard my big ass charging down the stairs and bolted ..

im surprised that i didnt get charged with denying the hoodie man his human right of making a living by closing my doors ...

[sAsLEX]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

umm we do actually. Citizens do have powers of arrest but the rules are an arse and unless well versed in them its better not to dabble.




And to stand by and do nothing whilst the country slowly falls into the toilet as the police are understaffed and under resourced in the area we need them is a better solution than to stand up to these jellyfish?

[Mr Merde]

6 months ago .. i was laying all snuggled up in bed about 1 am .. i heard my son yell.. i ran downstairs and the back door was open.. my son told me that he woke up and this guy in a hoodie was in his room standing over his bed ..my son yelled and he heard my big ass charging down the stairs and bolted ..

im surprised that i didnt get charged with denying the hoodie man his human right of making a living by closing my doors ...

Just think, your physical intimadation actually denied this underpriviliged person from managing to carry on with his state given right to make a living off of your back.

Your name should be posted the door of the town hall and vilified accross the country.

How dare you infringe upon this poor under privilged ,and valued member of the community (cos it keeps the bleeding hearts in work). By denying him the right to carry out his/her lifestyle choice you may have contributed to an emotional scarring that will cost the state a fortune to repair.

The full force of law should be brought to bear upon you and you should be made to seek out this person and present them with a copyy of the keys to your home in recompense.

The state will once they discover this persons identity, supply re education, housing, a gratuity befitting his/her lifestyle and a free land grant.

I am humbled by the state and appalled by your reckless behaviour


Mr :shit:

[MSTRS]

No one has the right to take the law into their own hands. Step over that threshold and you are no better than those two at the parade.

That is precisely why we have such a problem in this society these days...the law has no teeth to be respected, the scum know this and feel protected from any consequences.
It is human nature to avoid situations that are 'personally harmful' (shall we say) and knowing that personal harm will befall (pricks like these etc) would go a long way towards a return to a more respectful NZ.

[Skyryder]

umm we do actually. Citizens do have powers of arrest but the rules are an arse and unless well versed in them its better not to dabble.

The powers of arrest differ from the dispensing of justice that many here are advocating.

When you place your morals at a higher level than those that you disagree with and advocate retribution outside of the law then you have taken the first step on the path of a vigilante.

[ManDownUnder]

So I got thinking about this... and tried to turn it on it's head.

What if a pro war statement was made at the funeral of one of the Wellington Peace Movement people... or their family? Maybe with the burning of a family crest or other significant artifact. It'd be loathesome. I couldn't do it. It's the lowest of the low, using a sacred time of rememberance to score political points.

Honestly - I have to give up on that idea (and no please don't anyone do it). You'd be lowering yourself to such a level that I honestly would have trouble sleeping at night.

Sure make your points, pro or anti war. No problems with that. But at a time of remembering the dead, with an implied aim of ridiculing the ultimate sacrifice????

...no...

[sAsLEX]

That is precisely why we have such a problem in this society these days...the law has no teeth to be respected, the scum know this and feel protected from any consequences.
It is human nature to avoid situations that are 'personally harmful' (shall we say) and knowing that personal harm will befall (pricks like these etc) would go a long way towards a return to a more respectful NZ.

I love reading the stories in the news:

Young man runs down hand bag snatcher and holds him till police arrive. Old ladies rejoice, police have charged the hero with disrupting the peace and assualt and something else whilst the shit bag has been given councilling and had previous convictions quashed.


oh and:

Maoris in illegal land occupation have been vandalising property and stealing neighbours power and water. Police have laid no charge and the govt. is just going to give the land to them rent free.


No wonder youth and criminals in this country are starting to act up, there is no longer a balancing force there to keep em in line.

[SARGE]

Just think, your physical intimadation actually denied this underpriviliged person from managing to carry on with his state given right to make a living off of your back.

Your name should be posted the door of the town hall and vilified accross the country.

How dare you infringe upon this poor under privilged ,and valued member of the community (cos it keeps the bleeding hearts in work). By denying him the right to carry out his/her lifestyle choice you may have contributed to an emotional scarring that will cost the state a fortune to repair.

The full force of law should be brought to bear upon you and you should be made to seek out this person and present them with a copyy of the keys to your home in recompense.

The state will once they discover this persons identity, supply re education, housing, a gratuity befitting his/her lifestyle and a free land grant.

I am humbled by the state and appalled by your reckless behaviour


Mr :shit:


im so ashamed ...

[Swoop]

What confirms it for me is when the 70+ year olds reunite after 50 years apart. Last time they'd have shot each other on sight.
I loved the story in Spike Milligan's book about having a reunion for those who fought in North Africa. There were several German soldiers who attended and it transpired that Spike and one of the German chaps worked out that they were in the same place of a battlefield, actually shooting at each other!:gob:
A comment was passed from a person who was witnessing this discussion taking place, to the effect of "from the fact you are both here today, goes to show what bloody poor shots you both are!"
Classic.


When you place your morals at a higher level than those that you disagree with and advocate retribution outside of the law then you have taken the first step on the path of a vigilante.
Well, that certainly explains a lot of the god-botherers...

[ManDownUnder]

...you should be made to seek out this person and present them with a copyy of the keys to your home in recompense.


KEYS??? How about leaving a screwdriver there, or small jimmy bar. Something they're familiar with. Keys might be a challenge.


im so ashamed ...
'bout time too.

[Mr Merde]

im so ashamed ...

See even you, when confronted by the error of your ways, can be servile and obediant. You cant be trained to believe in the goodness of the most hardened crim and you realise that it is basically all your fault for having a life, for working hard and having all that "neat" stuff that others dont.

I'm glad you have seen the errors of your way and are on the road to full correctness.


Mr :shit:

[SARGE]

See even you, when confronted by the error of your ways, can be servile and obediant. You cant be trained to believe in the goodness of the most hardened crim and you realise that it is basically all your fault for having a life, for working hard and having all that "neat" stuff that others dont.

I'm glad you have seen the errors of your way and are on the road to full correctness.


Mr :shit:

yea ... next time , i will put the jug on and make sure he's comfy while my wife parades our fine silver out for his inspection

[Mr Merde]

yea ... next time , i will put the jug on and make sure he's comfy while my wife parades our fine silver out for his inspection


Glory be and praise your gods (or not if you dont have any or dieties if godds are too strong a word etc.. ) another convert to the passive way.

Oh Sarge you are truely saved and forever ore you shalkl be known as "a soft touch"

The government has a microchipping experiment they wish you to participate in. Could you report to your nearest WINZ office for implantion.


Mr :shit:

[ManDownUnder]

I'm glad you have seen the errors of your way and are on the road to full correctness.
Mr :shit:


yea ... next time , i will put the jug on and make sure he's comfy while my wife parades our fine silver out for his inspection

God you two crack me up. Silver on display? Not bad coming from two experienced purveyors of high speed lead.

[ManDownUnder]

The government has a microchipping experiment they wish you to participate in. Could you report to your nearest WINZ office for implantion.

Mr :shit:

Yeah I'd watch it. Maurice heads up that department and the chips are inserted with his special beef injector tool.... a literal interpretation on WINZ contribution to the NZ economy as a whole.

[SARGE]

The government has a microchipping experiment they wish you to participate in. Could you report to your nearest WINZ office for implantion.


Mr :shit:



am i even allowed in the WINZ office??... im a white guy , i speak English and i didnt arrive on a leaky cargo ship

[Mr Merde]

am i even allowed in the WINZ office??... im a white guy , i speak English and i didnt arrive on a leaky cargo ship


You have seen the errors of your way. The road to correctness lies before you. The tree huggers, gender benders, liberals, pinko's and such are waiting to welcome you with open arms. Feel the love.

WINZ is open to one so enlightened as yourself.

Surely there you will come face to face with your recent protagonist and beg his/her forgiveness for your threatening attitude.


Mr :shit:

[ManDownUnder]

am i even allowed in the WINZ office??... im a white guy , i speak English and i didnt arrive on a leaky cargo ship

Dude you just described 20% of the WINZ regulars

[SARGE]

You have seen the errors of your way. The road to correctness lies before you. The tree huggers, gender benders, liberals, pinko's and such are waiting to welcome you with open arms. Feel the love.

WINZ is open to one so enlightened as yourself.

Surely there you will come face to face with your recent protagonist and beg his/her forgiveness for your threatening attitude.


Mr :shit:

hey ... maybe the Hippies will be there too????


IM SO THERE !!!!

[Swoop]

The government has a microchipping experiment they wish you to participate in. Could you report to your nearest WINZ office for implantion.
You heard that rumour as well? The "dog" chipping one is the real trial, before the human one....:shit:

[MSTRS]

Dude you just described 20% of the WINZ regulars

...but none of the staff...

[MSTRS]

I love reading the stories in the news:

Young man runs down hand bag snatcher and holds him till police arrive. Old ladies rejoice, police have charged the hero with disrupting the peace and assualt and something else whilst the shit bag has been given councilling and had previous convictions quashed.


oh and:

Maoris in illegal land occupation have been vandalising property and stealing neighbours power and water. Police have laid no charge and the govt. is just going to give the land to them rent free.


No wonder youth and criminals in this country are starting to act up, there is no longer a balancing force there to keep em in line.

Wanna co-rule with me and a select few??

[SARGE]

You heard that rumour as well? The "dog" chipping one is the real trial, before the human one....:shit:

chipping may not be a bad idea .. start with the felons .. then add the hippies, MP's and protesters .. Sniper and i can stand off 500 meters and zap the protesters with the Chip-Injecting darts ... because they would protest about being asked to submit..



Wanna co-rule with me and a select few??

can i be Minister of Smackdown