Fat people and airline seats

[Flatcap]

Go on a diet or pay for two seats, you lardarses

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/7/story.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10436593


I particularly like the idea of weighing both the luggage and the person - I could bring back bike bits for free given my wifes 50kg!

[ManDownUnder]

Long distance flights... you want STORIES?????

Sitting next to the little Indian lady on the way from Singapore to Auckland. Looked like Mother Theresa but my GOD did she fart! Silent, curry laden borer bombs... and every bastard looked at ME (couldn't possibly be her - she looks so innocent...)

Or coast to coast in the US with a large guy snoring (read "rattling the very rivets out of the airframe") next to mew the whole way. Meh - was only 5 FUCKING HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!

My favourites are the passengers in the US that fly from A to B, buy an economy seat but "don't fit". So they expect a free upgrade to Business (gee I wonder if that was planned ahead of time). And when they get "no" they have a stampy and point out they can't fit in the seat.

They have a minor eruption when they're told they don't get a refund either, but if they'll possibly be ok they're insured... LOL.

[Finn]

Go on a diet or pay for two seats, you lardarses

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/7/story.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=10436593


I particularly like the idea of weighing both the luggage and the person - I could bring back bike bits for free given my wifes 50kg!

I agree. That huge bitch should have been put in the cargo hold with other freight.

[Finn]

Long distance flights... you want STORIES?????

Tell me about it. Once, on a flight from London to New York, they let a mother use the bathroom in First Class to change a nappy. I paid for First Class so I wouldn't have to share my flight with peasants. The stench put me off my caviar.

[Sniper]

Bloody South Africans causing innocent NZ'ers hassel. Sheesh

[SimJen]

fat bastards.
if they overflow the seat, then pay for another simple as that.
I particularly like the one comment about excess baggage.
Why should someone who weighs 75kg, have to pay excess baggage charges for over 35kg when someone who weighs 115kg sits next to him.
They organise the luggage to best suit the C of G, so why not weigh people and place accordingly too. If they were to weigh you secretly with only the computer knowing and organising accordingly then it would be helpful. All the fatties at the back, will help with getting the nose up......although will make the plane slower to respond.
Fuck sake, how do these fatties get in the plane toilets. I only weigh 80kg and am quite skinny, but I can barely turn around....let alone join the mile high club (not with a fatty though). Fatties probably can't even get in.
If I was sitting next to a fatty, I'd have a packing knife and would casually trim off any additional fat on my side. :)
Anyone heard of healthy eating?

[Fatjim]

What pisses me off is when someone who's smaller than a sparrows fart asks for the exit isle so they get more legroom. I'm 6'4" and they stick me in the smallest space available.

[mstriumph]

i sat one along from a guy who sniffed - big slurpy, meaty sniffs - every 20 seconds

after 15 minutes i offered him a tissue

after half an hour i threatened him [very nicely of course]

he complained to the stewardess - she moved him

problem solved

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on another flight my assigned seat was next to this VERY large spongy-looking person already overflowing across both seats

i snagged a passing stew and said, conversationally but quite loudly, "if the airline insists on my sitting next to THAT it had better
be prepared to pay compensation to my heirs after i've been smothered by it's excesses...."

they upgraded me

problem solved

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yes - i KNOW it's nasty, hurtful and unkind and yes, i KNOW i'm probably going to get turned away from the pearly gates .
............ but i'd rather risk the chance of a long time in pergetory in the afterlife if any than the CERTAINTY of a long time
in hell on a long plane trip in THIS life

vexacious people, including the obscenely ooverweight, do not have any more rights than the rest of us .......
....... and, as with anything else, their right to swing their arm ends where my nose begins.


[i should add that both these above trips were long ones - the way i see it you can put up with
almost anything if you know its only going to be for a short while ....]

[HDTboy]

Paul Henry had a very funny take on it on this mornings news

[Deviant Esq]

What pisses me off is when someone who's smaller than a sparrows fart asks for the exit isle so they get more legroom. I'm 6'4" and they stick me in the smallest space available.

Never fly economy class with Emirates long haul, if you're 6'4". The new Airbus A340 might be the shizzle, with brand new entertainment screens on the back of each seat, and great service and food, yada yada... but holy shit they don't half cram you in there. If you're any taller than 5'4" there's no hope of any legroom at all. When the person in front of you puts their seatback down, the screen justabout hits you in the face. You can't get your food on your tray. All you can do is watch movies or play games on an 8" screen 4" from your face. You can't sleep. You can barely move. For nearly 18 hours (Christchurch - Dubai with a short stop at Sydney). It's a form of torture and should be outlawed.

[Street Gerbil]

Right. Let's take the bullying out of the gym locker room and make it socially acceptable. We always enjoyed the fun of picking on the obese kid, now we can do it without the associated risk of being hauled to the principal. Way to go!

[Hitcher]

I've been on international flights where fat arsed people on economy tickets have been "upgraded" to the bigger seats in business or first -- together with all of the other perks, such as superior food! I don't think it's right that their dimensions should be positively incentivised. Take them off and stow them in the hold!

[The Pastor]

yeah fat people need loving too. Don't be so mean, if you don't want to sit next to somone, buy a better ticket, if you cant afford, SHUT THE HELL UP.

[Swoop]

There should be a wire frame shaped like a person (similar to the ones you have to put your carry on luggage in) and a sign "Can you fit through this?.....................

[Flatcap]

Right. Let's take the bullying out of the gym locker room and make it socially acceptable. We always enjoyed the fun of picking on the obese kid, now we can do it without the associated risk of being hauled to the principal. Way to go!

Don't forget the ugly - they're fun to pick on too...

[Disco Dan]

They choose to be fat (most obese people anyway) as a lifestyle choice - they should accept the consequences of that choice.

If their fat takes up another seat then they should have to pay for that too.

How dare they force other passengers to put up with their smelly fat folds lying all over them!

[Hitcher]

yeah fat people need loving too.

Hint: Roll them in Eno and go for the fizzy bits.

[Squeak the Rat]

I had to sit next to some one taking up half my seat on a flight from vancouver to heathrow. She complained the tray was broken because she couldn't lower it past her stomach. The plane was full so i had to endure it - i was not happy.

Be fat if you want (DD is correct, most of you can chose not to be), just dont' let it affect other people.



Am I allowed to say fat, or is that too un-pc in this fucked up country that's just decided that kids are adults and that passes laws that shouldnt be policed?

[Swoop]

They are having special crematoriums built now for the "increasing width" of the customers. UK has built two extra-width toasting chambers and the waiting list, for the use of these, is growing by the day.

[Grahameeboy]

They choose to be fat (most obese people anyway) as a lifestyle choice - they should accept the consequences of that choice.

If their fat takes up another seat then they should have to pay for that too.

How dare they force other passengers to put up with their smelly fat folds lying all over them!

Some overweight people...more than you realise, have a eating disorder...not just restricted to anerexia.........so cannot help their weight.....genitics also plays a part....so not always a lifestyle choice.

I mean what about underweight people getting a seat which has space for another person......

Sorry guys but not a nice atitude to overweight people.

I am ashamed of you all...except Renegade....

[Disco Dan]

Some overweight people...more than you realise, have a eating disorder...not just restricted to anerexia.........so cannot help their weight.....genitics also plays a part....so not always a lifestyle choice.

I mean what about underweight people getting a seat which has space for another person......

Sorry guys but not a nice atitude to overweight people.

I am ashamed of you all...except Renegade....

I understand what your saying... but... as far as im concerned: we all start off thin. We all enter this world thin. If you start to gain weight and you do nothing about and you become obese then that is their lifestyle choice. Yes there are people that are on medication that increase weight gain - but its nothing a bit of healthy eating and excercise cannot counteract.

[Grahameeboy]

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Be fat if you want (DD is correct, most of you can chose not to be), just dont' let it affect other people.

Am I allowed to say fat, or is that too un-pc in this fucked up country that's just decided that kids are adults and that passes laws that shouldnt be policed?

Not true.........they don't let it affect you, you let them affect you..you have a choice.

Fair enough may not be ideal, however, you are on a crowded plane so no creature comforts...that's air travel for you.

[avgas]

yeah fat people need loving too. Don't be so mean, if you don't want to sit next to somone, buy a better ticket, if you cant afford, SHUT THE HELL UP.
I dont care how they get their excersize. Just so long as they do it.......2 times a day if need be.
I sick of fat people who expect the world to accomodate to them. THATS WHY THEY ARE FAT - COS THEY ARE LAZY

[Grahameeboy]

I understand what your saying... but... as far as im concerned: we all start off thin. We all enter this world thin. If you start to gain weight and you do nothing about and you become obese then that is their lifestyle choice. Yes there are people that are on medication that increase weight gain - but its nothing a bit of healthy eating and excercise cannot counteract.

Life is not that simple...................

[Disco Dan]

Life is not that simple...................

err yes it is. Bear in mind we are talking about obese people here rather than overweight.

Overweight is simply falling outside of a 'standard' set by health professionals.

Obese is something that affects your health and ristricts mobility.

There is nothing wrong with being 'overweight' - lots of people are actaually happy being their particular size/weight even though the 'standard' says they are overweight.

Obese people are simply put - lazy.

Im sorry, but theres no excuses really.

[SimJen]

Some overweight people...more than you realise, have a eating disorder...not just restricted to anerexia.........so cannot help their weight.....genitics also plays a part....so not always a lifestyle choice.

I mean what about underweight people getting a seat which has space for another person......

Sorry guys but not a nice atitude to overweight people.

I am ashamed of you all...except Renegade....

A genetic propensity to obesity is all very well, but its still that persons choice to eat too much. Genetics only play part of the equation.....will power plays a bigger role. As does healthy eating and exercise.
I know quite a few large people who make no effort whatsoever to exercise or eat healthy. Diets have bugger all effect as they don't stick to them, they don't realise that too lose weight requires a lifestyle change.
I bet in 99% of the cases obesity is self inflicted, real disorders such as prada willy (sp) syndrome are not that common. Discovery/Documentary channels have had quite a few programs on it.
FFS its not a disease!

Its not someones choice to be put in a position where someone is encroaching on their space/seat and putting them in an uncomfortable position when they have paid a fair price for a reasonable level of comfort.

[Ixion]

Oi, watch it you lot, or us fatties will come and sit on you .

And in my experience it's not fat that's the problem it's wide or tall.

I can't sit in an economy seat next to another male of normal build without us clashing shoulders. Which to me says the seats are too narrow.

And tall people can't fit their legs and feet into the space available, so they have to splay their legs out , and then they clash knees with the dude next door.

Two large guys can only fit if they both sit at an angle

And the perjorative "fat people should pay more" arguments ignore the fact that a lot of heavy people may be heavy because they're big, not because they're obese. Want to tell Jonah Lomu he has to pay extra cos he's fat ?

Moreover, I think weak puny people should pay more, cos in the event of a crash they're not going to be much use at getting out, and will get in my way .

[Disco Dan]

A genetic propensity to obesity is all very well, but its still that persons choice to eat too much. Genetics only play part of the equation.....will power plays a bigger role. As does healthy eating and exercise.
I know quite a few large people who make no effort whatsoever to exercise or eat healthy. Diets have bugger all effect as they don't stick to them, they don't realise that too lose weight requires a lifestyle change.
I bet in 99% of the cases obesity is self inflicted, real disorders such as prada willy (sp) syndrome are not that common. Discovery/Documentary channels have had quite a few programs on it.
FFS its not a disease!

Its not someones choice to be put in a position where someone is encroaching on their space/seat and putting them in an uncomfortable position when they have paid a fair price for a reasonable level of comfort.

Well said! Exactly.

[Grahameeboy]

A genetic propensity to obesity is all very well, but its still that persons choice to eat too much. Genetics only play part of the equation.....will power plays a bigger role. As does healthy eating and exercise.
I know quite a few large people who make no effort whatsoever to exercise or eat healthy. Diets have bugger all effect as they don't stick to them, they don't realise that too lose weight requires a lifestyle change.
I bet in 99% of the cases obesity is self inflicted, real disorders such as prada willy (sp) syndrome are not that common. Discovery/Documentary channels have had quite a few programs on it.
FFS its not a disease!

Its not someones choice to be put in a position where someone is encroaching on their space/seat and putting them in an uncomfortable position when they have paid a fair price for a reasonable level of comfort.


I agree for some it is self inflicted, however, genetics does play a part preventing some from burning fat quickly, slow metabolism and many other factors.

Type 1 Diabetes can cause people to put on weight and they have to be careful when excercising.

Surely the airlines should accomodate all shapes and sizes...I mean Colapop is a big fellow, not overweight but he may well encroach close to you on.......

[Grahameeboy]

err yes it is. Bear in mind we are talking about obese people here rather than overweight.

Overweight is simply falling outside of a 'standard' set by health professionals.

Obese is something that affects your health and ristricts mobility.

There is nothing wrong with being 'overweight' - lots of people are actaually happy being their particular size/weight even though the 'standard' says they are overweight.

Obese people are simply put - lazy.

Im sorry, but theres no excuses really.


Oh no it isn't............

Obesity = 25% (Female) or 30% (Male) body fat which is not a lot
really.

Yes some are lazy and you can tell by there presentation but you should not be quick to judge.

[sunhuntin]

Some overweight people...more than you realise, have a eating disorder...not just restricted to anerexia.........so cannot help their weight.....genitics also plays a part....so not always a lifestyle choice.

I mean what about underweight people getting a seat which has space for another person......

Sorry guys but not a nice atitude to overweight people.

I am ashamed of you all...except Renegade....

thanks, graeme... reading this is, and the link, is almost enough to make me go back to my old habits, just to piss you all off some more! :angry:
i have flown, and was overweight at the time. i took my seat, and more than my share of aisle [for my legs] i think airplane seats are horrid and cramped no matter how big you may be.
the whole flight to canada, i could put my seat back cos the old bitch behind me would start shaking or hitting it.

ive seen enough horrid behaviour coming out of school kids... and i figured most people here were adults.

disco... im suprised by you. :(

[MWVT]

On the upside you're unlikely to have to sit beside a fat OLD person. When was the last time you saw a fat 80 year old......

[Grahameeboy]

Oi, watch it you lot, or us fatties will come and sit on you .

And in my experience it's not fat that's the problem it's wide or tall.

I can't sit in an economy seat next to another male of normal build without us clashing shoulders. Which to me says the seats are too narrow.

And tall people can't fit their legs and feet into the space available, so they have to splay their legs out , and then they clash knees with the dude next door.

Two large guys can only fit if they both sit at an angle

And the perjorative "fat people should pay more" arguments ignore the fact that a lot of heavy people may be heavy because they're big, not because they're obese. Want to tell Jonah Lomu he has to pay extra cos he's fat ?

Moreover, I think weak puny people should pay more, cos in the event of a crash they're not going to be much use at getting out, and will get in my way .

Well said Ixion................

[Grahameeboy]

thanks, graeme... reading this is, and the link, is almost enough to make me go back to my old habits, just to piss you all off some more! :angry:
i have flown, and was overweight at the time. i took my seat, and more than my share of aisle [for my legs] i think airplane seats are horrid and cramped no matter how big you may be.
the whole flight to canada, i could put my seat back cos the old bitch behind me would start shaking or hitting it.

ive seen enough horrid behaviour coming out of school kids... and i figured most people here were adults.

disco... im suprised by you. :(

Yeah, I mean I am thinking that I should not go on a ride with DD because he doesn't have a flash bike like mine.............he may cramp my style...........if you get my drift...

[Biff]

Here's a good reference site if you're gonna be travelling on a hairyplane and would like to choose the best seat for your $$:

http://www.seatguru.com/

And I vote for a tax based on the dimesnions of the traveller.
L2/H = $
Where L (Lardyness) to the power of 2 divided by your height determines how much you pay.

[James Deuce]

It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way.

There are a number of chromosomal disorders that can cause you to become very large, but they typically have other disadvantages tied to them which make it obvious that the fat person is suffering from a syndrome rather than just being fat.

The amount of brown fat cells you have is set by the food choices made for you by your Mother. Your eating habits and preferences are largely set by age 3. People who give their kids trans fats, processed sugar, and a carb biased diet under 3 are setting their kids up to lose a minimum of 10 years off their maximum potential life span. Far worse than that poor dietary habits cause problems for people long before they die, limiting their enjoyment of life.

There is only one way to get fat. More calories in than out. Genetics has very little to do with obesity. Diet is everything.

[Fatjim]

What about gays. I remember sitting in the Auckland domestic terminal waiting for a flight back to Welly when these 2 raving poofters walked in. Eeeeeuuuuuwww!!!

I said to my mate sitting next to me "I wonder who the poor bastard is who gets to sit next to them". It was me.

There was no business class to upgrade them to either.

[Grahameeboy]

It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way.

There are a number of chromosomal disorders that can cause you to become very large, but they typically have other disadvantages tied to them which make it obvious that the fat person is suffering from a syndrome rather than just being fat.

The amount of brown fat cells you have is set by the food choices made for you by your Mother. Your eating habits and preferences are largely set by age 3. People who give their kids trans fats, processed sugar, and a carb biased diet under 3 are setting their kids up to lose a minimum of 10 years off their maximum potential life span. Far worse than that poor dietary habits cause problems for people long before they die, limiting their enjoyment of life.

There is only one way to get fat. More calories in than out. Genetics has very little to do with obesity. Diet is everything.

Well I do not entirely agree, however, you are right about habits set by parents so therefore you cannot necessarily blame the person who is overweight/obese.

[Hitcher]

Life is not that simple...

Yes it is. Your bodyweight is directly proportional to your dietary intake. It can be mitigated by diet, exercise, liposuction or amputation.

Some people's metabolism is more efficient than others, but not to a statistically significant level.

There are no such thing as "big bones" in the sense that well-meaning aunts and other apologists use this term.

Me? I like my food and don't exercise enough.

[Disco Dan]

ive seen enough horrid behaviour coming out of school kids... and i figured most people here were adults.

disco... im suprised by you. :(

I have only been on a plane twice, but that was enough for me to know the size of the seats etc. Im sorry, but it is (largely) a lifestyle choice. I have a few friends that are overweight and one friend who is obese (like stupidly large). They are working on their weight problems and told me themselves that they are too blame for their size.

When i quit smoking my weight begain to increase... I looked at my diet and it had increased. go figure eh? I cut down, ate healthy and I stayed at my same orignal weight. Not hard really. (I have since started smoking again but meh..)


Yeah, I mean I am thinking that I should not go on a ride with DD because he doesn't have a flash bike like mine.............he may cramp my style...........if you get my drift...

your a worry! You have prob been on many rides with me... I dont normally see many people in front thought... always 2-3 corners in front of me!!! hehe

[Grahameeboy]

What about gays. I remember sitting in the Auckland domestic terminal waiting for a flight back to Welly when these 2 raving poofters walked in. Eeeeeuuuuuwww!!!

I said to my mate sitting next to me "I wonder who the poor bastard is who gets to sit next to them". It was me.

There was no business class to upgrade them to either.

Geeze what is wrong with having a gay person sitting next to you...........what do you think is going to happen?

[Grahameeboy]

I have only been on a plane twice, but that was enough for me to know the size of the seats etc. Im sorry, but it is (largely) a lifestyle choice. I have a few friends that are overweight and one friend who is obese (like stupidly large). They are working on their weight problems and told me themselves that they are too blame for their size.

When i quit smoking my weight begain to increase... I looked at my diet and it had increased. go figure eh? I cut down, ate healthy and I stayed at my same orignal weight. Not hard really. (I have since started smoking again but meh..)



your a worry! You have prob been on many rides with me... I dont normally see many people in front thought... always 2-3 corners in front of me!!! hehe


And you smoke......yuck.....keep away from me

[Fatjim]

There is only one way to get fat. More calories in than out. Genetics has very little to do with obesity. Diet is everything.


Basic physics that, and I mean "conservation of Energy" basic. You cannot create energy (Fat) out of thin air, you have to eat it!

[Grahameeboy]

Yes it is. Your bodyweight is directly proportional to your dietary intake. It can be mitigated by diet, exercise, liposuction or amputation.

Some people's metabolism is more efficient than others, but not to a statistically significant level.

There are no such thing as "big bones" in the sense that well-meaning aunts and other apologists use this term.

Me? I like my food and don't exercise enough.

Some bone structures are more dense so heavier........black people generally have denser bones cause they naturally have a greater muscle mass than white folk............so this affects the density of the bone.

Funnily enough overweight people have less risk of arthritus than a thin person because bone densiy depends on weight bearing......my Daughter's x'rays show that her hip and leg bones have just a thin density because she is not weight bearing.

[Grahameeboy]

Basic physics that, and I mean "conservation of Energy" basic. You cannot create energy (Fat) out of thin air, you have to eat it!

Well the body turns unused carbs to fat so you could eat no fat at all..say eat venison but if you do not burn off the calories from that food it will turn to fat calories which are double that of carbs.

[Hitcher]

black people generally have denser bones cause they naturally have a greater muscle mass than white folk.

Really? Says who?

[MisterD]

Want to tell Jonah Lomu he has to pay extra cos he's fat ?


Absolutely, except he's probably up in 1st courtesy of Adidas...It's ridiculous that my wife and her entire baggage allowance weigh less than me with no luggage at all.

We're flying back to Pomgolia later this year with our 1yr old, and paying 10% of the full fare to get him and 10kg extra luggage for him...same should apply if you're a lardarse or a bodybuilder.

Oh and a hint for those flying Emirates on the Airbus....ask for the seats down the back as the cabin tapers in, there's more room for those sets of two seats.

[Grahameeboy]

Really? Says who?

It is true.....bone density and calcium formation is cause by the contraction of the muscles.

Black (generally Negro) have a bigger natural muscle mass.

It explains the horribly racist joke that 'black men cannot swim'......not quite true and I don't like this saying (but using to illustrate what I am saying) but as their bones are heavier then swimming is harder.

How many top swimmers are black............compared with say Basketball, American Football, Athletics where the top guys and gals are generally black

[Disco Dan]

Basic physics that, and I mean "conservation of Energy" basic. You cannot create energy (Fat) out of thin air, you have to eat it!


Well the body turns unused carbs to fat so you could eat no fat at all..say eat venison but if you do not burn off the calories from that food it will turn to fat calories which are double that of carbs.

In other words if you eat more than you use you gain weight.

Does the entire population not already know that?????

[Squeak the Rat]

Fuck me, is this country so PC that I can't complain about not being able to sit in my seat because the person next to me is spilling over?

There was an interesting study on telly recently. They got a pile of kids to do 4 hours exercise and fed them a sized portion of pasta (the size kids their age should eat). All the kids afterwards said they were stuffed, full, not hungry anymore.

They then repeated the exercise weeks later and used portion sizes twice as big. All the kids who were stuffed on the smaller portions ate most of the bigger portion. Simply because it was in front of them.

Think of a tv dinner. A meal this size should be big enough for a normal sized adult.

[Squeak the Rat]

In other words if you eat more than you use you gain weight.

Does the entire population not already know that?????

No. But how dare you say that.

[Ixion]

Yes it is. Your bodyweight is directly proportional to your dietary intake. It can be mitigated by diet, exercise, liposuction or amputation.

Some people's metabolism is more efficient than others, but not to a statistically significant level.

There are no such thing as "big bones" in the sense that well-meaning aunts and other apologists use this term.

Me? I like my food and don't exercise enough.

So you think Jonah Lomu weighs more than Disco Dan cos Jonah's fat and eats too much ? Dare you to tell him that . Similarly, Mr Colapop.

Some women have a wide pelvic girdle.Some women have a narrow pelvic girdle. As do men. The difference IS in the bones. The actual size of the bones differs. And someone with a wide pelvis is , by definition , going to have wide hips. Which means a bigger arse, simply because there is a greater distance to cover. So they will weigh more. It's simple arithmetic.

Same with guys and shoulders. A guy doesn't have broad shoulders because he eats too much. In fact even very obese people don't usually pack much fat on the shoulders. But a wide shouldered dude, other facts being equal , WILL weigh more than a narrow shouldered one. Double so, because wide shoulder will usually mean a wide chest too.

And what about boobs? A woman with big boobs, other things being equal has to weigh more than a flat chested one. And that's not caused by overeating (or else flat chested chicks could just eat themselves up to a D cup).

[Grahameeboy]

Fuck me, is this country so PC that I can't complain about not being able to sit in my seat because the person next to me is spilling over?



No reason why you cannot ask the person to move over or ask if another seat is available.......however, the fat person is entitled to a seat so not their fault the seat cannot accomodate.

[Grahameeboy]

In other words if you eat more than you use you gain weight.

Does the entire population not already know that?????

Not all....bit like they all know about drink driving I guess!!!

[Squeak the Rat]

Not true.........they don't let it affect you, you let them affect you..you have a choice.

Fair enough may not be ideal, however, you are on a crowded plane so no creature comforts...that's air travel for you.

What are you smoking? I was forced to occupy two thirds of my seat and had to turn sideways . What was my choice in the matter?

I knew the dimensions of the seat of the airline, and paid a ticket for that seat. I did not receive what I paid for.


No reason why you cannot ask the person to move over or ask if another seat is available.......however, the fat person is entitled to a seat so not their fault the seat cannot accomodate.
There were no seats available which you would have realised if you'd read my post before spouting holier-than-thou rubbish. See above.

[Biff]

It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way.


Incorrect Jimbo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTO_gene

[James Deuce]

Sorry Ixion, you're wrong there. Breasts are just adipose tissue. Fat.

We're talking about people who spill into the seat next to them. Not because they've bent the frame of the seat because of an over abundance of dense muscle tissue. We're talking about people who have simply eaten too much food, so they've stored the excess fat for Winter. Literally. The normal human diet is a couple of steps away from famine, and should be composed of either 8 or 9 modest meals or constant grazing on low calorie, high nutrient foods.

[MisterD]

Black (generally Negro) have a bigger natural muscle mass.



Wrong. They naturally have lower body fat (so us whiteys are disadvantaged in the six-pack stakes) and higher proportion of fast-twitch muscle fibres so they excel in speed and power events, rather than endurance events

[James Deuce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTO_gene

Yes everything on a Wiki is true.

Did you read that article? People with this gene simply need to eat less calories, and more high quality nutrients. No drama. Its not rocket science.

[Disco Dan]

No reason why you cannot ask the person to move over or ask if another seat is available.......however, the fat person is entitled to a seat so not their fault the seat cannot accomodate.

So when we book a seat and pay for the seat we pay for a seat that measures x long x wide etc etc. Everyone should know if they would fit into a airline seat. We all pay for the seat knowing its aproximate size....

I would say it is their fault that they cannot fit into the seat. If you know you will find the seat small because of your lifestyle choice then pay for two. Simple.

If you eat less, excersice more you will save money right? So why complain that you have to pay for another seat just because of your own lifestyle choices!

I really cant see what all the fuss is about...

[Grahameeboy]

What are you smoking? I was forced to occupy two thirds of my seat and had to turn sideways . What was my choice in the matter?

I knew the dimensions of the seat of the airline, and paid a ticket for that seat. I did not receive what I paid for


There were no seats available which you would have realised if you'd read my post before spouting holier-than-thou rubbish. See above.

Re your last comment, I was talking generally about what to do.

You paid for a seat you got one. Okay you may not have been able to get another seat but if you were on a window seat you could have swapped seats or something so you have some aisle space.......life is tough sometimes...........

[Biff]

People with this gene simply need to eat less calories, and more high quality nutrients. No drama. Its not rocket science.

Of course people can regulate their weight, but stating that, "It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way." is simply incorrect.

[Grahameeboy]

So when we book a seat and pay for the seat we pay for a seat that measures x long x wide etc etc. Everyone should know if they would fit into a airline seat. We all pay for the seat knowing its aproximate size....

I would say it is their fault that they cannot fit into the seat. If you know you will find the seat small because of your lifestyle choice then pay for two. Simple.

If you eat less, excersice more you will save money right? So why complain that you have to pay for another seat just because of your own lifestyle choices!

I really cant see what all the fuss is about...

So you pay full fare for a 7 year old who does not take up the whole chair which based on your argument is not fair either because you are paying for an adult size seat but not using it all.

Money point...a bit simplistic.

I do agree "a lot of fuss about nothing"

[Grahameeboy]

Of course people can regulate their weight, but stating that "It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way." is simply incorrect.

Over to you Jim2

[Squeak the Rat]

So you pay full fare for a 7 year old who does not take up the whole chair which based on your argument is not fair either because you are paying for an adult size seat but not using it all.

Money point...a bit simplistic.

I do agree "a lot of fuss about nothing"

Have you had a lobotomy? You pay for 1 seat.

Would you complain if you paid for a new bike and it didn't have a rear wheel? Or would you say "life is tough sometimes"?

[BuFfY]

Yeah it would be quite cool if they did weigh you along with your bags, that way I could take more clothes away with me! These days I have to resort to sting and tiny pieces of cloth! What good is that?!?!

I think that airlines need to accommodate bigger people, perhaps in larger planes for big trips have an isle with 2 seats instead of 3. Fat people know they are fat... they know this because they do not fit clothes from 'generic' clothing stores, and/or have been told by a doctor. If they fess up when booking their ticket then it may save them some embarrassment when the person next to them in their tiny lil seat has to keep pushing their fat back into their seat

[mstriumph]

.....................And what about boobs? A woman with big boobs, other things being equal has to weigh more than a flat chested one. .............. erm :mellow: i don't think most of the blokes on here would be complaining on this thread if it was a female's BOOBS that were overflowing onto their side of the armrest ,.,.,.



- could be wrong ...... :innocent:

[Disco Dan]

erm :mellow: i don't think most of the blokes on here would be complaining on this thread if it was a female's BOOBS that were overflowing onto their side of the armrest ,.,.,.



- could be wrong ...... :innocent:

I would complain. I like my space.

If a females boobs are that big that they incroch on my space then the chances are the rest of her is equally 'large'.

[jrandom]

Black (generally Negro) have a bigger natural muscle mass.

Tut tut, G-boy. You and your cherished stereotypes (http://gaycocklibrary.pimpedhost.com/gay_black/black_fuck_black.jpg).


How many top swimmers are black...

Likewise with cyclists.

There are some fairly reliable tests that can be done in the gym to determine fatigue rate over time and relate that to muscle fibre composition. Me, for instance, I'm very heavily Type II/B - my one-rep max lifts trend downwards very sharply over a short period of time without rest.

Of course, there's a good side to Type II predominance, as well - it's nice to be the only guy in the gym squatting 200kg, even if you have to wait 5 minutes between sets.

It's generally accepted that blacks genetically tend toward a Type II muscle fibre predominance. So, when you see a nigger in a hoodie, start running. If you're still in front after the first 100m, you're away laughing.

[Finn]

erm :mellow: i don't think most of the blokes on here would be complaining on this thread if it was a female's BOOBS that were overflowing onto their side of the armrest ,.,.,.



- could be wrong ...... :innocent:

It depends what they are attached too. If it was a whale or an ugly person, then no way. Yuck, "get in the cargo hold you beast".


I would complain. I like my space.

If a females boobs are that big that they incroch on my space then the chances are the rest of her is equally 'large'.

Beggars can't be chooses.

Edit: Thanks Hitcher. I should learn how to do that myself.

[Grahameeboy]

Have you had a lobotomy? You pay for 1 seat.

Would you complain if you paid for a new bike and it didn't have a rear wheel? Or would you say "life is tough sometimes"?

Exactly my point.......you got a seat but complained that you could not sit fully in it so I was making a counter point by illustrating the plight of a 7 year old who pays full price (like you) but does not get to use the full seat.

New bike illustration has missed me. Sorry....I mean you see a bike when you buy it so why would you by bike with the rear wheel missing.....you don't know who you will sit next to when you buy a plane ticket.

And no I have not had a lobotomy..what's it like?

[mstriumph]

but to get back on topic

i don't think this is a subject for political correctness ---- i think it's a subject for fair play

None of us have the right to intefere with someone else's lifestyle choices and i wouldn't willingly upset another person by referring to their weight - BUT WHEN THEIR WEIGHT negatively-impacts ME i believe i am entitled to defend myself from their excesses by whatever means short of mayhem.

Personally, i prefer to avoid confrontation - doesn't mean i'm afraid of it if the situation warrants

[Grahameeboy]

Tut tut, G-boy. You and your cherished stereotypes (http://gaycocklibrary.pimpedhost.com/gay_black/black_fuck_black.jpg).

Could not access that..wonder why?

Likewise with cyclists.

There are some fairly reliable tests that can be done in the gym to determine fatigue rate over time and relate that to muscle fibre composition. Me, for instance, I'm very heavily Type II/B - my one-rep max lifts trend downwards very sharply over a short period of time without rest.

Of course, there's a good side to Type II predominance, as well - it's nice to be the only guy in the gym squatting 200kg, even if you have to wait 5 minutes between sets.

It's generally accepted that blacks genetically tend toward a Type II muscle fibre predominance. So, when you see a nigger in a hoodie, start running. If you're still in front after the first 100m, you're away laughing.

Or jump on a bike??

.........................

[Hitcher]

Beggars can't be chooses.

Choosers. But your ambitions are understood.

[Ixion]

Sorry Ixion, you're wrong there. Breasts are just adipose tissue. Fat.



True. But, my point is , that chicks don't have big boobs just because they eat too much. Or, for that matter, small boobs because they don't eat enough (assuming we're not talking anorexia here).

If it were that simple there'd be no flat chested birds around. But, alas, as most less endowed chickies will have discovered , eating more doesn't usually mean bigger boobs . Just as guys can't enlarge their dicks by eating more.

And as the breast is indeed adipose tissue that makes a nonsense of the argument that people are only fat because they overeat.Because if that were true, it would mean that every chick with big tits was a glutton.

[Finn]

Choosers. But your ambitions are understood.

Soy, having poblems with my "ahs". Thanks Hitche

[mstriumph]

.........I was making a counter point by illustrating the plight of a 7 year old who pays full price (like you) but does not get to use the full seat...........

don't be daft
a wafer-thin 7 year old can fidget and lounge around in that seat during the flight and get the benefit of all that space

a luxury a normal-sized person definately DOESN't have if they are seated next to a porker [in fact, they'd be lucky to be able to even BREATH in that situation methinks .......]

i've an idea
let's sit all those people that the pc contingent want us submerged by NEXT TO EACH OTHER and let them fight it out between themselves .....winner gets to occupy the entire row and the vanquished are stacked in the hold for ballast

... now i'd like to see THAT :sunny:

[mstriumph]

"and why is she so unforgiving" i hear you ask

"simple" i reply "in this situation being obese is bullying .............. and i have a very bad reaction to bullies ............."

[jrandom]

And as the breast is indeed adipose tissue...

Breasts are primarily glandular tissue, as evidenced by the fact that male bodybuilders who screw up their steroid stacks and get gynocomastia are stuck with bitch tits even when they're at 5% body fat.

Breasts also contain adipose tissue, though, and they do grow and shrink somewhat as the woman in question gains and loses fat. I've certainly seen it happen.

[James Deuce]

Breasts are primarily glandular tissue, as evidenced by the fact that male bodybuilders who screw up their steroid stacks and get gynocomastia are stuck with bitch tits even when they're at 5% body fat.

Breasts also contain adipose tissue, though, and they do grow and shrink somewhat as the woman in question gains and loses fat. I've certainly seen it happen.

The glands in question are mostly quiescent when not suffused with milk and do not take up anywhere near as much space as the fat in breast tissue.

Gynecomastia demonstrates nicely just how little.

[Squeak the Rat]

Exactly my point.......you got a seat but complained that you could not sit fully in it so I was making a counter point by illustrating the plight of a 7 year old who pays full price (like you) but does not get to use the full seat.

New bike illustration has missed me. Sorry....I mean you see a bike when you buy it so why would you by bike with the rear wheel missing.....you don't know who you will sit next to when you buy a plane ticket.

And no I have not had a lobotomy..what's it like?

I've learnt a valuable lesson today. Don't argue with some one who believes they have god on their side.

[Hitcher]

I've certainly seen it happen.

Hopefully not at the one viewing.

[MikeyG]

(Cartman voice) I'm not fat, I'm just big boned

[James Deuce]

Of course people can regulate their weight, but stating that "It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way." is simply incorrect.

The FTO gene racial breakdown provides a far better explanation of why people ARE fat than the actual make of their genotype. Western Europeans are fat because they have a greater flexibility in dietary chocies and ALL humans are predisposed to consuming sweet, salty and fatty foods because you need them help store fat for Winter.

People from climates with less extremes in seasonal change tend to be less fatty, but look at SE Asia and China now that "Western" lard franchises are taking over the traditional foods. You don't need the FTO gene to be obese.

A gene that is present in obese people does not mean that the people with that gene have to be obese. That gene shows up in "racial sub-types" who are exposed to vicious winters where food is scarce and energy requirements are high. Yes natural selection influences the survival of people with that gene, but people with that gene are fat because of the food choices made for them in early childhood.

People who are fat are not fat because of their genes. They are fat because they eat more food than their metobolism can process, so they store it for Winter. The only people who do not have control over their weight because of genetic reasons have damaged DNA.

For instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prader-Willi_syndrome

[trumpy]

Well I do not entirely agree, however, you are right about habits set by parents so therefore you cannot necessarily blame the person who is overweight/obese.


Cobblers. Like most things in life we have a choice about the amount and content of our diets (and yes you can make good choices on a lower income) and whether or not we exercise. I am overweight because I CHOSE to eat crappy food and do no exercise, similarly I am now making different choices in these directions - my life, my responsibility.
There are a number of genetic predeterminers to body size and shape but such predeterminers for obesity are clinically quite rare.
I have just returned from a medical trade show and conference in the USA and as usual am stunned by the numbers of very obese people I see, especially in California.
Sad thing is the number of young people already grossly overweight. But then look at the size and content of their diet and you can see why.

[SimJen]

this is turning out to be a good thread :)

All i've got left to say is:

Fatty Fatty Bumbaaaah.

[avgas]

Want to tell Jonah Lomu he has to pay extra cos he's fat ?
Yes i will! He's only good for whining to womens magazines now.....bloody emo.
But then again he could afford to pay 4 times over anyhow.

But now come on, lets think of the poor fatties out there. The ones that cant afford food.
Hang on a minute.....

[SimJen]

Yes i will! He's only good for whining to womens magazines now.....bloody emo.
But then again he could afford to pay 4 times over anyhow.

But now come on, lets think of the poor fatties out there. The ones that cant afford food.
Hang on a minute.....

Jonah's not fat, hes a big guy for sure.
I doubt he would have fat bulging over your arm rest. His shoulders might be a problem.
If you complain, then in most cases they will move you. If they don't, then tell them to get fucked. Easy really.
Stick up for yourselves in these situations. You're right as a paying passenger.

[Street Gerbil]

Guys, I think we are on the right track here. But why stop at obese people? Why the hell should we accommodate disabled people? Can you imagine how many motorcycles can you park on one disabled parking space? Let's abolish disabled parking! After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice - participation in dangerous activities such as riding motorcycles. We seem to be supporting rights of disabled people to lead the semblance of normal lives (such as paying the same price for parking even though their vehicle occupies twice as much space) just because one day we may need it? For crying out loud, am I the only one seeing a hint of hypocrisy here?
P.S. Regarding obesity not having anything to do with genetics:
the fact that pacific islanders have the highest population of obese people in the world absolutely has everything to do with their unhealthy lifestyle and/or racial stereotypes. [/sarcasm]

EDITED: --- I apologize to the party injured by this post (you know who am I talking about). Being hypocrite hurts. Being exposed as a hypocrite hurts tenfold. Having to cowardly resort to throwing around red rep dots instead of openly expressing your opinion must be really painful.
Giving red rep because of missing the whole point of the post must be maddening as hell :-)

[FlangMasterJ]

Suuuuuuwwweeeeeee suuuuuuwwwweeeeee!

Fat people get absolutely no sympathy from me.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c52/FlangMasterJ/obese.jpg

[Finn]

What was that Randy Newman 80's song??? "Fat people got no reason... Fat people got no reason to live..."

Edit: Oh, I got it wrong. It was short people. :o Fuck.

[Street Gerbil]

Fat people get absolutely no sympathy from me.
I don't like lard factories either. But if we are to start dividing people into equal, more equal, and less equal than others, where are we to stop?

[MadDuck]

What was that Randy Newman 80's song??? "Fat people got no reason... Fat people got no reason to live..."

Edit: Oh, I got it wrong. It was short people. :o Fuck.

JEZZUZZZZ...no hope for me then as I am both fat (due to laziness) and short (due to genetics).

[SimJen]

Guys, I think we are on the right track here. But why stop at obese people? Why the hell should we accommodate disabled people? Can you imagine how many motorcycles can you park on one disabled parking space? Let's abolish disabled parking! After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice - participation in dangerous activities such as riding motorcycles. We seem to be supporting rights of disabled people to lead the semblance of normal lives (such as paying the same price for parking even though their vehicle occupies twice as much space) just because one day we may need it? For crying out loud, am I the only one seeing a hint of hypocrisy here?
P.S. Regarding obesity not having anything to do with genetics:
the fact that pacific islanders have the highest population of obese people in the world absolutely has everything to do with their unhealthy lifestyle and/or racial stereotypes. [/sarcasm]

Disabled people are mostly disabled due to no fault of their own......most fatties are fat because they made the choice!

[Disco Dan]

Is this thread still in full swing?? far out....

[Street Gerbil]

Disabled people are mostly disabled due to no fault of their own......most fatties are fat because they made the choice!
Question: Are all fat pacific islanders fat because they chose to be fat or because they have genetic predisposition to be fat? There is a whole gamut of metabolic disorders (a majority of them hereditary) that will inflate you like a balloon, regardless of the amount of exercise and quality of food.

[avgas]

Question: Are all fat pacific islanders fat because they chose to be fat or because they have genetic predisposition to be fat? There is a whole gamut of metabolic disorders (a majority of them hereditary) that will inflate you like a balloon, regardless of the amount of exercise and quality of food.
Bloat isnt a disorder

[mstriumph]

I don't like lard factories either. But if we are to start dividing people ....................

isn't that the entire point here?
if it's possible to divide one hugely obese person into two normal-size people then SURELY IT'S ONLY FAIR THEY PAY FOR TWO SEATS??


ok - sorry - no offence intended ....SOMEONE has to play devil's advocate here or there'd be no debate....

[James Deuce]

Question: Are all fat pacific islanders fat because they chose to be fat or because they have genetic predisposition to be fat? There is a whole gamut of metabolic disorders (a majority of them hereditary) that will inflate you like a balloon, regardless of the amount of exercise and quality of food.

Metabolic disorders are generally caused by dietary and trace element issues. There are very few genetic disorders that cause obesity and they are generally missing or translocated chromosomes that cause the problem. Down Syndrome people for instance, have issues with muscle density and neutropenia. Muscle density runs at a 1/3rd to 2/3rds of a "normal" Homo Sapiens Sapiens and as a result a DS metabolic rate is positively torpid. The neutropenia means that bowel absorption is affected and as a consequence necessary trace elements aren't absorbed.

Type 2 diabetes isn't genetic, and neither is chronic renal disease, though the predisposition to Type 2 diabetes can be linked to genetics. Both generally happen after you've gained a significant amount of weight and kept it on for years. As a general rule a PI diet is lacking in many ways and over compensated in others. You can only eat so much pig meat and corned beef without putting weight on. Shoot me - it may be a stereotype, but it's also a truism.

The fat thing isn't hard to manage, it's just that we don't want to. I know I don't.

[mstriumph]

What was that Randy Newman 80's song??? "Fat people got no reason... Fat people got no reason to live..."

Edit: Oh, I got it wrong. It was short people. :o Fuck.

:grouphug:


MadDuck Quote:JEZZUZZZZ...no hope for me then as I am both fat (due to laziness) and short (due to genetics).

:grouphug:

[Disco Dan]

isn't that the entire point here?
if it's possible to divide one hugely obese person into two normal-size people then SURELY IT'S ONLY FAIR THEY PAY FOR TWO SEATS??


ok - sorry - no offence intended ....SOMEONE has to play devil's advocate here or there'd be no debate....

...and the people that are obese enough to be 'divided' would bitch and moan about that...

it is their choice. but it is not everyone elses' choice to have to look at them.

[Grahameeboy]

Guys, I think we are on the right track here. But why stop at obese people? Why the hell should we accommodate disabled people? Can you imagine how many motorcycles can you park on one disabled parking space? Let's abolish disabled parking! After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice - participation in dangerous activities such as riding motorcycles. We seem to be supporting rights of disabled people to lead the semblance of normal lives (such as paying the same price for parking even though their vehicle occupies twice as much space) just because one day we may need it? For crying out loud, am I the only one seeing a hint of hypocrisy here?
P.S. Regarding obesity not having anything to do with genetics:
the fact that pacific islanders have the highest population of obese people in the world absolutely has everything to do with their unhealthy lifestyle and/or racial stereotypes. [/sarcasm]

So what about people born with a disability who have no choice or someone who is disabled due to being hit by a careless driver...........saying 'After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice' is treading dodgy ground.

[mstriumph]

........................

it is their choice. but it is not everyone elses' choice to have to look at them.

this isn't about looks ...............

[Ixion]

isn't that the entire point here?
if it's possible to divide one hugely obese person into two normal-size people then SURELY IT'S ONLY FAIR THEY PAY FOR TWO SEATS??


ok - sorry - no offence intended ....SOMEONE has to play devil's advocate here or there'd be no debate....


And if you divided Big Dave in the vertical plane, he'd make two Crashe sized people. So should he pay double ?



it is their choice. but it is not everyone elses' choice to have to look at them.


Which I suspect starts to get close to the real issue.

[Disco Dan]

this isn't about looks ...............

I wouldnt want my kids scared for life and traumatized if this lot waddled down the beach...

Enough to make a person anorexic.

[MisterD]

Question: Are all fat pacific islanders fat because they chose to be fat or because they have genetic predisposition to be fat?

Lardy is a status symbol in the islands...but an ability to store huge amounts of fat and then eat very little for a long time would have been a distinct advantage on long canoe voyages.

Solution: starve the buggers thin or make them paddle instead of flying.

[mstriumph]

So what about people born with a disability who have no choice or someone who is disabled due to being hit by a careless driver...........saying 'After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice' is treading dodgy ground.

this isn't about any sort of debility that isn't caused by lifestyle choice

i suspect you know that

[Street Gerbil]

So what about people born with a disability who have no choice or someone who is disabled due to being hit by a careless driver...........saying 'After all, disabled people became disabled by lifestyle choice' is treading dodgy ground.

Dude, you ever heard the word "SARCASM"? You missed the whole point of me proving that treating people differently just because they are obese is just as wrong as treating people differently because they are disabled.

[mstriumph]

I wouldnt want my kids scared for life and traumatized if this lot waddled down the beach...

Enough to make a person anorexic.

that opinion is a product of your time and your culture ..................

you only have to look at paintings by some of the old masters ---- or, for that matter, 'girlie glamour' pics from the 1950s, to see how widely ideas of female pulchitrude differ within the space of a generation or two ............

and that's just in the 'free West' - when you think about what OTHER cultures consider beautiful [f'rinstance, some of the pacific islands] then it's obvious that one man's belle is another man's belly ........ :yes:

[Disco Dan]

that opinion is a product of your time and your culture ..................


absolutly, couldnt agree more. Not disputing the fact my opinion is a construct of my cultural experiences and upbringing.

It is simply my opnion! Isnt that what KB is for? :innocent:

[Flatcap]

one man's belle is another man's belly ........ :yes:

Just as long as another man's belly isn't encroaching on my (limited) seating space when I am trying to eat my crap airline food

[Toaster]

Since we are sharing stories... I remember flying to Singapore years agao and seeing this asian dude spit a bit loogy into the isle.... I almost puked into my dried roll and weak tea! AND he used his cellphone a few times.... I almost found a new rectal carry case for it.

[Toaster]

... and as for space-challenged flyers... if they take up the space of two people then fair enough... make em pay..... but wouldn't they then deserve two meals... which only compunds their predicament????

[Swoop]

There is only one way to get fat. More calories in than out. Genetics has very little to do with obesity. Diet is everything.
Just like Billy Connelly says, "Want to lose weight? Eat less and move more!"

could be wrong ...... :innocent:
Yup.

I've learnt a valuable lesson today. Don't argue with some one who believes they have god on their side.
You are meaning "Who has the best imaginary friend"...

Just as long as another man's belly isn't encroaching on my (limited) seating space when I am trying to eat my crap airline food
Good point! Book two seats = eat two meals!!!!!!

[Disco Dan]

... and as for space-challenged flyers... if they take up the space of two people then fair enough... make em pay..... but wouldn't they then deserve two meals... which only compunds their predicament????

hahahaha!!!!

Entitlement maybe. Derserve? pah!

[Skyryder]

Yes everything on a Wiki is true.

Did you read that article? People with this gene simply need to eat less calories, and more high quality nutrients. No drama. Its not rocket science.


The strength of the genetic influence depends on whether an individual has inherited one or two copies of the FTO gene variant.

A person with two copies of the FTO variant is likely on average to weigh 3 kilos (6.6 pounds) more than a person who does not have the FTO variant at all, and if they have only one copy they are likely on average to weigh 1.2 kilos (2.6 pounds) more.

From http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67666

Biffs right. They have found a genetic variant that influences weight.

Skyryder

[James Deuce]

The strength of the genetic influence depends on whether an individual has inherited one or two copies of the FTO gene variant.

A person with two copies of the FTO variant is likely on average to weigh 3 kilos (6.6 pounds) more than a person who does not have the FTO variant at all, and if they have only one copy they are likely on average to weigh 1.2 kilos (2.6 pounds) more.

From http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/healthnews.php?newsid=67666

Biffs right. They have found a genetic variant that influences weight.

Skyryder

Influences. It isn't a "YOU WILL BE FAT" gene. There is no such thing as a genetic given in regard to obesity. The figures you quoted are minuscule and the lower figure is actually with in the weight range that anyone can change their weight by in the space of 24 hours.

Their isn't any genetic excuse for obesity within the normal human weight spectrum, which is what we are discussing. Not minor variations in weigh given the absence or presence of a particular pair of genes.

Which is why I said read the article. It isn't talking about obesity. Obesity has life threatening implications. Being mildly overweight (in some gym bunny's mind) doesn't.

[Flatcap]

And in my experience it's not fat that's the problem it's wide or tall.

I can't sit in an economy seat next to another male of normal build without us clashing shoulders. Which to me says the seats are too narrow.

And tall people can't fit their legs and feet into the space available, so they have to splay their legs out , and then they clash knees with the dude next door.

Two large guys can only fit if they both sit at an angle


You are correct Ixion - anyone who is not completely average in all their measurements (like myself) should sort their shit out and get their love handles / guts / elbows / knees the hell out of my space, freaks

[Skyryder]

Influences. It isn't a "YOU WILL BE FAT" gene. There is no such thing as a genetic given in regard to obesity. The figures you quoted are minuscule and the lower figure is actually with in the weight range that anyone can change their weight by in the space of 24 hours.

Their isn't any genetic excuse for obesity within the normal human weight spectrum, which is what we are discussing. Not minor variations in weigh given the absence or presence of a particular pair of genes.

Which is why I said read the article. It isn't talking about obesity. Obesity has life threatening implications. Being mildly overweight (in some gym bunny's mind) doesn't.

I agree that obesity (fat) is what the duscussion is about but you claimed that
It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way. That appears to the study that I posted is wrong.

I don't think I have stated that obesity is genetic related.

Skyryder

[James Deuce]

I agree that obesity (fat) is what the duscussion is about but you claimed that
It's a myth that genetics set your weight in any way. That appears to the study that I posted is wrong.

I don't think I have stated that obesity is genetic related.

Skyryder

Genetics don't set your weight though. Those genes give you the potential to carry that much extra. You can control that with diet and exercise.

You are trying to sell it as an absolute and it isn't. Even the article talks about influences and potential, not absolutes. It is a myth that genetics determine your weight. Diet is everything.

[mstriumph]

Just as long as another man's belly isn't encroaching on my (limited) seating space when I am trying to eat my crap airline food - :gob: - ah hell - you are meant to EAT that stuff? i thought it was part of the airlines armoury against obesity?!

[Grahameeboy]

this isn't about any sort of debility that isn't caused by lifestyle choice

i suspect you know that

I know but Gerbil made a clear statement which was wrong............

[Grahameeboy]

Dude, you ever heard the word "SARCASM"? You missed the whole point of me proving that treating people differently just because they are obese is just as wrong as treating people differently because they are disabled.

Being a Londoner I am well versed in sarcasm and that was a poor attempt.

But agree with your point as you say it now more clearly......

[Grahameeboy]

Influences. It isn't a "YOU WILL BE FAT" gene. There is no such thing as a genetic given in regard to obesity. The figures you quoted are minuscule and the lower figure is actually with in the weight range that anyone can change their weight by in the space of 24 hours.

Their isn't any genetic excuse for obesity within the normal human weight spectrum, which is what we are discussing. Not minor variations in weigh given the absence or presence of a particular pair of genes.

Which is why I said read the article. It isn't talking about obesity. Obesity has life threatening implications. Being mildly overweight (in some gym bunny's mind) doesn't.

A male only has to have a body fat % of 30% to be classed as obese.

Plus you will find that most 'fat' people grossly under estimate how much they eat so it is a 'Disorder' whether genetic or not amd not necessarily a 'lifestyle'

[Street Gerbil]

...I am well versed in sarcasm...
Of course you are

....

Apology accepted.

[Flatcap]

:yes:

Apology accepted.

THAT would be sarcasm

[James Deuce]

A male only has to have a body fat % of 30% to be classed as obese.

Plus you will find that most 'fat' people grossly under estimate how much they eat so it is a 'Disorder' whether genetic or not amd not necessarily a 'lifestyle'

It's not a disorder!

I eat too much, so I'm fat. It IS lifestyle. If I stop eating fat, I shrink pretty damn rapidly.

[Grahameeboy]

It's not a disorder!

I eat too much, so I'm fat. It IS lifestyle. If I stop eating fat, I shrink pretty damn rapidly.

Well in the UK there is the 'Eating Disorders Association' which deals with;

Anorexia
Bulemia
Obesity

It used to be called Anorexia Family Aid but medical experts realised that there were other eating disorders.

Would you say that alcoholism is a mental disorder.....because it is just like depression and often depression leads to over eating, drinking too much....

[Grahameeboy]

Of course you are


Apology accepted.

Okay.................:love:

[Grahameeboy]

It's not a disorder!

I eat too much, so I'm fat. It IS lifestyle. If I stop eating fat, I shrink pretty damn rapidly.

Actually I am finding it hard to take you seriously Sir Jim looking at your new Avator.............:rockon:

[Flatcap]

Would you say that alcoholism is a mental disorder.....because it is just like depression and often depression leads to over eating, drinking too much....

Everything is labeled a disorder nowadays, so much so that being normal is abnormal

[terbang]

Years ago when flying a 10 seat commuter aircrarft (piper chieftain) for Eagle air I was accosted by an extaorinary large woman who had settled into one of the passenger seats.
'Oi, the seat belt is too small' she snarls, holding her seatbelt about 6 inches from meeting around her immense midrift. I look at the belt and note that all the other (blushing) people have plenty of room. Shit this is novel.
'Umm sorry we don't have any extensions'.
We just didn't carry them in those days on that type.
'Not good enough, the plane is too small'
Ummm
'Sorry, but you will have to get off and re-book on the bigger aircraft, it leaves in an hour'
'No I must go on this one, you sort it out'.
I could understand her frustration though I figured that perhaps a diet would have been her best plan. I had a schedule to keep, all the other punters were looking impatient and she was becoming increasingly obnoxious about the little plane that couldn't accomodate a 200 KG woman.
'Hang on',
I put my knee into the side of her belly and after a bit of a shove and (her) gasp I managed to clip the belt as it dissapeared between a couple of large spare tyres, but she was legal.
The flight went normal and she got to where she wanted to go and on time, though maybe a bit uncomfortable. The after landing tirade that I and other ground staff recieved, followed by an angry letter, certainly showed her appreciation for my assistance and solution.
I often wonder if she ever figured out what the problem really was.

[Grahameeboy]

Everything is labeled a disorder nowadays, so much so that being normal is abnormal

There is some truth in that..we all have a compulsive disorder....mine's KB.......it is incurable.......

[Flatcap]

I put my knee into the side of her belly and after a bit of a shove and (her) gasp I managed to clip the belt as it dissapeared between a couple of large spare tyres, but she was legal.
.

Should have put your knee agaist her immense arse and pushed her out the door

[Grahameeboy]

Years ago when flying a 10 seat commuter aircrarft (piper chieftain) for Eagle air I was accosted by an extaorinary large woman who had settled into one of the passenger seats.
'Oi, the seat belt is too small' she snarls, holding her seatbelt about 6 inches from meeting around her immense midrift. I look at the belt and note that all the other (blushing) people have plenty of room. Shit this is novel.
'Umm sorry we don't have any extensions'.
We just didn't carry them in those days on that type.
'Not good enough, the plane is too small'
Ummm
'Sorry, but you will have to get off and re-book on the bigger aircraft, it leaves in an hour'
'No I must go on this one, you sort it out'.
I could understand her frustration though I figured that perhaps a diet would have been her best plan. I had a schedule to keep, all the other punters were looking impatient and she was becoming increasingly obnoxious about the little plane that couldn't accomodate a 200 KG woman.
'Hang on',
I put my knee into the side of her belly and after a bit of a shove and (her) gasp I managed to clip the belt as it dissapeared between a couple of large spare tyres, but she was legal.
The flight went normal and she got to where she wanted to go and on time, though maybe a bit uncomfortable. The after landing tirade that I and other ground staff recieved, followed by an angry letter, certainly showed her appreciation for my assistance and solution.
I often wonder if she ever figured out what the problem really was.

I agree that she was unreasonable...........despite my anti comments on thread.....silly cow......:gob:

[James Deuce]

Well in the UK there is the 'Eating Disorders Association' which deals with;

Anorexia
Bulemia
Obesity

It used to be called Anorexia Family Aid but medical experts realised that there were other eating disorders.

Would you say that alcoholism is a mental disorder.....because it is just like depression and often depression leads to over eating, drinking too much....

It's quite simple really.

Western people have too much money and too much access to unhealthy food. Most forms of excercise have been removed and need to be replaced with regimented excercise programmes that occupy "leisure time". Everybody's goal is to be a happy rock star/actor/famous writer/genius therapist.

Food should be fuel, not an emotional crutch. Food is quite often used as a reward.

The aim in life in general has changed from doing what is right to doing what is right for me.

How's this for a definition of irony? A severe anorexic will die with their body fat percentage exceeding their bone mass.

The vast majority of chubbies (me included) just need to stop going to Burger King and KFC for lunch. It's not a disorder. We need to stop taking the easy option and telling ourselves we're big boned or deserve anoth helping of fat, salt, and sugar.

Early childhood nutrition needs to be given more emphasis than funding the health system or Police.

We need to stop telling kids they can be anything they want, and we need to stop focusing on trying to make happiness a goal. It's a state of being.

Most of all we need to stop wallowing in our own filthy excesses and we need to stop pandering to neurosis.

I'm fat because I eat crap and don't exercise.

I'm unhappy because my teachers and parents lied. I CAN'T be anything I want. I'm a drone in sector 7G and my happiness shouldn't depend on what I "do" or how skinny I am.

Fat people on planes piss me off. I don't spill into another seat. Why should I put up with having have half of their one big ab sitting in my lap?

[Flatcap]

Fat people on planes piss me off. I don't spill into another seat. Why should I put up with having have half of their one big ab sitting in my lap?

Particularly of they are sweaters, as fatties often are. No joy in getting wet from someone else's pits.

[Chisanga]

All I would like to know is: IF I am on along haul flight (say Auckland - London) and somebody who is overweight is encroaching upon my seat space enough to make the journey uncomfortable or even untenable for me, what is my recourse? Do I have any rights to complain etc or do I have to just put up with it... stand in the aisle for a 26 hour flight?

[Grahameeboy]

How's this for a definition of irony? A severe anorexic will die with their body fat percentage exceeding their bone mass.

True Jim...cause their body has eaten away at the tissue and muscle, very sad....my Sister almost died this way and was literally a few weeks from doing herself serious damage at 5ft 10 and under 5 stone....

[James Deuce]

All I would like to know is: IF I am on along haul flight (say Auckland - London) and somebody who is overweight is encroaching upon my seat space enough to make the journey uncomfortable or even untenable for me, what is my recourse? Do I have any rights to complain etc or do I have to just put up with it... stand in the aisle for a 26 hour flight?
You have no recourse. Airlines are about moving people from A to B as cheaply as possible. They don't care about your comfort.

[TS99]

What about if you're sitting next to Helitosis Boy and Fartman, all rolled up in the same person?!

I asked the hostie for breathmints and a cork, she looked at me funny, i can only assume she made the connection. 'No good god no, not for me...' i said, 'him...' i retorted casually pointing to HB-FM. He ignored me and continued on with his Sudoku puzzle. I'm sure I saw him smirk from the corner of me eye.

The look on hostie's (knowing) face was priceless.

- Me, arvo flight today, WLGAKL

[Grahameeboy]

It's quite simple really.

Western people have too much money and too much access to unhealthy food. Most forms of excercise have been removed and need to be replaced with regimented excercise programmes that occupy "leisure time". Everybody's goal is to be a happy rock star/actor/famous writer/genius therapist.

Food should be fuel, not an emotional crutch. Food is quite often used as a reward.

The aim in life in general has changed from doing what is right to doing what is right for me.

How's this for a definition of irony? A severe anorexic will die with their body fat percentage exceeding their bone mass.

The vast majority of chubbies (me included) just need to stop going to Burger King and KFC for lunch. It's not a disorder. We need to stop taking the easy option and telling ourselves we're big boned or deserve anoth helping of fat, salt, and sugar.

Early childhood nutrition needs to be given more emphasis than funding the health system or Police.

We need to stop telling kids they can be anything they want, and we need to stop focusing on trying to make happiness a goal. It's a state of being.

Most of all we need to stop wallowing in our own filthy excesses and we need to stop pandering to neurosis.

I'm fat because I eat crap and don't exercise.

I'm unhappy because my teachers and parents lied. I CAN'T be anything I want. I'm a drone in sector 7G and my happiness shouldn't depend on what I "do" or how skinny I am.

Fat people on planes piss me off. I don't spill into another seat. Why should I put up with having have half of their one big ab sitting in my lap?

Well based on what you say it isn't that simple in an inverted way...............

[terbang]

Once I travelled on a chocka flight from Singapore to london and being staff I was downgraded to cattle class..! Shared a row of 3 seats between a huge fat guy on my right and a great big lanky guy on my left. About 3 hours after take-off they both went to sleep and between sharp 'knees n elbows' poking me from the left and volumes of sweaty, snoring flesh rolling in from the right, I figured I wasn't going to get much sleep during the next 10 hours.

[James Deuce]

Yeah it is. The Communists were right, especially the SE Asian ones.

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah it is. The Communists were right, especially the SE Asian ones.




Troller......................

[Chisanga]

You have no recourse. Airlines are about moving people from A to B as cheaply as possible. They don't care about your comfort.

Thank you. Enjoy your thread :)

[Hitcher]

You have no recourse. Airlines are about moving people from A to B as cheaply as possible. They don't care about your comfort.

They care a lot if one pays a lot. I imagine that first class is most pleasant compared with the squalor of cattle class.

[James Deuce]

They care a lot if one pays a lot. I imagine that first class is most pleasant compared with the squalor of cattle class.

You're right of course. Replace "cheaply" with "profitably".

[Biff]

I imagine that first class is most pleasant compared with the squalor of cattle class.

Not if you fly Air India - Dirty seats (I had to wipe food off mine), shite food (presented to me within seconds of boarding, before I'd even stowed my bags) and literally no staff to tender to my every need for the entire flight (I had to walk back to business class to ask for a freakin coffee). Bastards. Then again it did only cost around $400 to fly from Dhaka to Delhi, so I guess they felt that was good service for the class of person they normally ferry around on that root. Thank fork I didn't fly in peasant class.

[avgas]

that opinion is a product of your time and your culture ..................
Very true - but when did 'child bearing hips' become 'school bus'.
As i think that if you are too fat for a plane, car, bike seat - you have to seriously wonder where you are going with it.
If i was that reckless with my life i would have all have lost my license about 50 times by now....atleast. Unless i was dead.

[ManDownUnder]

What was that Randy Newman 80's song??? "Fat people got no reason... Fat people got no reason to live..."

Edit: Oh, I got it wrong. It was short people. :o Fuck.

Short people got no reason to fuck?? I guess it's the logistics huh?

[Swoop]

I often wonder if she ever figured out what the problem really was.
Obviously the knife and fork are the problem... THEY made her fat.:Punk:

[Skyryder]

Obviously the knife and fork are the problem... THEY made her fat.:Punk:

Hey now there's a dietry solution eat with your fingers

Skyryder