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The Lone Rider
2nd May 2007, 18:35
Has anyone else had someone make a joke or rude comment or ask a question if you are in a biker gang? Their reasoning being because you are either an angry person, like cruisers, or both. (I choose number 3 :angry: :scooter: )

I had someone make a rude joke in a message they didn't think I would see

"be careful, i heard hes a member of a biker gang or sumthin like that. LOL "

What's other peoples thoughts on the origin or associations underlying it?

98tls
2nd May 2007, 18:55
Not me mate but am sure cruiser riders get it a bit........to some all cruisers are harleys i guess...........as for gangs........fuck em i reckon...the reality is its saftey in numbers which to me points towards the individuals having insecurity problems..............

The Lone Rider
2nd May 2007, 18:57
I think theres also an assumption if theres a few people riding together they are a "gang".

Dictionary.com -

1. a group or band: A gang of boys gathered around the winning pitcher.
2. a group of youngsters or adolescents who associate closely, often exclusively, for social reasons, esp. such a group engaging in delinquent behavior.
3. a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: I'm throwing a party for the gang I bowl with.
4. a group of persons working together; squad; shift: a gang of laborers.
5. a group of persons associated for some criminal or other antisocial purpose: a gang of thieves.
6. a set of tools, electronic components or circuits, oars, etc., arranged to work together or simultaneously.
7. a group of identical or related items.
–verb (used with object)
8. to arrange in groups or sets; form into a gang: to gang illustrations for more economical printing on one sheet.
9. to attack in a gang.
–verb (used without object)
10. to form or act as a gang: Cutthroats who gang together hang together.
—Verb phrase
11. gang up on, Informal. (of a number of persons) to unite in opposition to (a person); combine against: The bigger boys ganged up on the smaller ones in the schoolyard.

Colapop
2nd May 2007, 19:03
Apparently - I'm a scary guy. Coz I wear my leathers while riding (and immediately after). I have actually been warned at work about being intimidatory... I should (apparently) be in a gang... if I'm not already... WTF???

Paul in NZ
2nd May 2007, 19:05
Apparently - I'm a scary guy. I have actually been warned at work about being intimidatory... I?

Hugging with intent?

Greivous bodily hugging?

The Lone Rider
2nd May 2007, 19:07
Yeah, I wear my leathers all the time.. might be because I ride all the time :D

I get pissed off easily, but still... yes.. I got a bike and leathers + me and my friends are gonna bash your head in if you say anything about me. The maths doesn't add up - they are not a pair like my left and right socks.

You and me cola... me and you can be in a new national gang. I vote for the name "Ride Or Die"

T.W.R
2nd May 2007, 19:22
Has anyone else had someone make a joke or rude comment or ask a question if you are in a biker gang? Their reasoning being because you are either an angry person, like cruisers, or both. (I choose number 3 :angry: :scooter: )

I had someone make a rude joke in a message they didn't think I would see

"be careful, i heard hes a member of a biker gang or sumthin like that. LOL "

What's other peoples thoughts on the origin or associations underlying it?

Seen it, Heard it, Lived it :yes:
Having a mate living in a prospect house, mixing with prospects & patched members of a certain ChCh gang, running errands for certain members of said gang, heading out for a nights drinking and having 3-4 patched members invite themselves along, and spending all your time leather clad & riding totally anti social bikes does lead to people making comments :laugh:

Ixion
2nd May 2007, 19:28
Well, I am but a sweet,simple ,gentle, old man, quietly chuffing through the countryside, yet I have had people abuse me, "you and your biker gang mates". So there is hope for the rest of you.

McJim
2nd May 2007, 19:28
Can't say I have much of that problem - but then I am a Glaswegian so I'm prolly a gang all by myself.

I try to tone down the image by riding an Italian bike though :rofl:

At the end of the day - fukem - don't worry what other people think, they don't do it often.

Colapop
2nd May 2007, 19:55
Hmmm National Biker gang?

I think I vote for... "Riders of Bikes"... then we can be RoB's mob...

The Lone Rider
2nd May 2007, 20:01
Hmmm National Biker gang?

I think I vote for... "Riders of Bikes"... then we can be RoB's mob...

Yes, but that can lead to confusion in whether we are a troop of homosexual prostitutes. There may be a need for a national gang of them, but it wasn't what I had in mind :shit:

McJim
2nd May 2007, 20:02
Polacop - just looked at your prifile pic - are they dwarves with you?

If they are normal sized people then that means your RF900 should be called Mohammed - it can move mountains.

you a big fella intcha - stay away from my nipples this weekend....

candor
2nd May 2007, 20:03
People like to think that. They like to imagine exciting stuff. Was accused of it once (being an associate), unexpectedly. I can hardly remember ever being so angry in my life. That prolly convinced them I was but they were as wrong as it gets. I dunno, Kiwis seem to have a morbid fascination. KB if not a gang is a what - association, society - not a group with an antisocial purpose is it.

The Lone Rider
2nd May 2007, 20:05
People like to think that. They like to imagine exciting stuff. Was accused of it once (being an associate), unexpectedly. I can hardly remember ever being so angry in my life. That prolly convinced them I was but they were as wrong as it gets. I dunno, Kiwis seem to have a morbid fascination. KB if not a gang is a what - association, society - not a group with an antisocial purpose is it.

Dictionary.com -


3. a group of people with compatible tastes or mutual interests who gather together for social reasons: I'm throwing a party for the gang I bowl with.

Shadows
2nd May 2007, 20:08
I can't say I've every heard that and I ride a Harley.
It is surprising how many people know the difference between a "biker" and a "bikie", especially among those who are a little longer in the tooth.

Maybe you just work with fuckwits.

Colapop
2nd May 2007, 20:11
Polacop - just looked at your prifile pic - are they dwarves with you?

If they are normal sized people then that means your RF900 should be called Mohammed - it can move mountains.

you a big fella intcha - stay away from my nipples this weekend....

Mmmm nipples... I like chick ones better though...

McJim
2nd May 2007, 20:17
I can't say I've every heard that and I ride a Harley.
It is surprising how many people know the difference between a "biker" and a "bikie", especially among those who are a little longer in the tooth.

Maybe you just work with fuckwits.

Hahaha - biker and bikie - what is the difference?

In the UK Blue Angels, Hells Angels etc = Biker Gangs.
Bikie or Bikey means having the attributes of a bike "That reliant robin is a bit bikey...not enough wheels to be car-y" no, seriously, bikey is not a word in the UK.

What's the score here (I'm from a country where a guy that's "hard case" will slash your throat) I need another kiwi language lesson.

Shadows
2nd May 2007, 20:19
Hahaha - biker and bikie - what is the difference?

In the UK Blue Angels, Hells Angels etc = Biker Gangs.
Bikie or Bikey means having the attributes of a bike "That reliant robin is a bit bikey...not enough wheels to be car-y" no, seriously, bikey is not a word in the UK.

What's the score here (I'm from a country where a guy that's "hard case" will slash your throat) I need another kiwi language lesson.

A biker rides motorbikes and is an enthusiast.
A bikie rides motorbikes and is a gang member.

Well, that's how I understand it anyway

sunhuntin
2nd May 2007, 20:32
A biker rides motorbikes and is an enthusiast.
A bikie rides motorbikes and is a gang member.

Well, that's how I understand it anyway

yep... thats how i see it too. a member of the ontario provincial police [or pricks, depending who you are...] said about 2 weeks ago that all bikers are criminals. needless to say, quite a few took offence to that...


only instance ive had was some old duck at work. i arrived at work, parked and then walked over to my coworker. still had all my gear on [jacket, gloves, lid etc] the oldie said, "its a wonder theres nothing on your back" or something to that effect. think i scared her a bit when i said "women arent allowed, but...." and just left it there.
incidentally, i do have a bandanna pinned to the back of one jacket, that to the untrained eye, could be mistaken for something else. its on my vest that has memorial patches on it. the 'danna reads "brother in the wind" with an indian and motorbike in the middle.

Waylander
2nd May 2007, 21:02
Get it all the time. The trickis to use it to your advantage.

Cars move out of my way where they prove a bit more trouble to the local sportsbikers.

Paul in NZ
2nd May 2007, 21:17
Has anyone else had someone make a joke or rude comment or ask a question if you are in a biker gang? Their reasoning being because you are either an angry person, like cruisers, or both. (I choose number 3 :angry: :scooter: )

I had someone make a rude joke in a message they didn't think I would see

"be careful, i heard hes a member of a biker gang or sumthin like that. LOL "

What's other peoples thoughts on the origin or associations underlying it?


Seriously??? People are teasing you - relax...

SlashWylde
2nd May 2007, 23:08
Has anyone else had someone make a joke or rude comment or ask a question if you are in a biker gang?
Ahh, yep. Any time I wear my BLS vest to a concert. See this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=23548)thread for more details.


What's other peoples thoughts on the origin or associations underlying it?
Reasons Why? Well probably just comes down to a mental association of gang dudes with Harley/cruiser riders means anyone vaguely fitting that mould is stereotyped as a gang rider.

outlawtorn
3rd May 2007, 14:27
It's strange that when I wear my sleeveless denim jacket, filled with music patches (Yes I still love the 80's) and pin badges I get much more respect on the road, but when I'm simply wearing my leather jacket no one gives a toss, so I basically wear my music colours all the time now!!

If someone accuses you of being in a gang, you tell them you are in a gang and if they are not careful you and a bunch of heavies will come round, kick over their postbox, blow chunks into their herbacious border and fuck their wife. It's just good fun to say things like that and then watch their reaction.

Macktheknife
3rd May 2007, 15:32
The best response I have used is to say "yeah, what's your point?" and stare menacingly.... then laugh and walk away.

The Lone Rider
3rd May 2007, 16:23
The best response I have used is to say "yeah, what's your point?" and stare menacingly.... then laugh and walk away.

That sort of thing doesn't work when they are emailing those comments to someone else.

Maha
3rd May 2007, 16:28
The best response I have used is to say "yeah, what's your point?" and stare menacingly.... then laugh and walk away.

Yeah i could see you getting away with that.....:shit:

peasea
3rd May 2007, 18:52
Has anyone else had someone make a joke or rude comment or ask a question if you are in a biker gang? Their reasoning being because you are either an angry person, like cruisers, or both. (I choose number 3 :angry: :scooter: )

I had someone make a rude joke in a message they didn't think I would see

"be careful, i heard hes a member of a biker gang or sumthin like that. LOL "

What's other peoples thoughts on the origin or associations underlying it?

I've had it several times, mind you, I'm a bit of a ragamuffin and my bike is often bug splattered and oil stained. It's all about perception I suppose; the public mind sees a grubby biker on a Harley as a gang member or gang associate. If you've been on the road for a week or ten days, carrying minimal gear, you probably look as though you're on some drug-running mish as a prospect. It wasn't so long ago I was asked by police "what are your gang associations?" I responded with "do you mean my speeding tickets?" but that went down like a lead balloon.

When I first got involved with motorcycles the 'go' was to have a set of 'originals' (I still have them), the grubbier the better. All the gang members had them too but I wasn't trying to emulate the gang culture, more the big finger to those who wore suits, the corporate types and the 'straights'. perhaps there's still a tinge of that old rebel in me and I'll never wear a tie. I have a small rebel flag sewn onto my jacket if that says anything.

Right or wrong you won't catch me in anything but jeans and a T-shirt and I ride in the same thing, just a leather jacket on top, fingerless gloves, shades, a neckwarmer pulled up over my nose (when it's chilly or wet) and usually an open-face helmet. It's been that way for decades. No moisturiser either!

Littleman
3rd May 2007, 19:23
The best response I have used is to say "yeah, what's your point?" and stare menacingly.... then laugh and walk away.


Its not what you say Mack, its your facial hair and the forearms like tree trunks that do it.

dmouse
3rd May 2007, 19:30
i binned my bike on my side of the road landed on my back and the bike landed on me, and fell at the side of me and continued to run spinning in circles and this was in rush hour traffic and not one person stopped to help me just rubber neckers, traffic cop said it was because i was wearing black leathers and they pressumed i was i gang member it just dont figure if it was them i would of stopped to help them or maybe they would of refused my help coz of the leathers !!!!:gob:

peasea
3rd May 2007, 19:40
i binned my bike on my side of the road landed on my back and the bike landed on me, and fell at the side of me and continued to run spinning in circles and this was in rush hour traffic and not one person stopped to help me just rubber neckers, traffic cop said it was because i was wearing black leathers and they pressumed i was i gang member it just dont figure if it was them i would of stopped to help them or maybe they would of refused my help coz of the leathers !!!!:gob:

.....and yet most of those commuters probably wear leather behind closed doors.

Hypocrites!

Macktheknife
4th May 2007, 09:56
i binned my bike on my side of the road landed on my back and the bike landed on me, and fell at the side of me and continued to run spinning in circles and this was in rush hour traffic and not one person stopped to help me just rubber neckers, traffic cop said it was because i was wearing black leathers and they pressumed i was i gang member it just dont figure if it was them i would of stopped to help them or maybe they would of refused my help coz of the leathers !!!!:gob:

It does show how dumb people really are though huh? You wear leather because you want to save your own skin but all most people can see is 'stereotype' Gang bikie guy.
I don't care what someone looks like, if they are in trouble I will stop for them.

ManDownUnder
4th May 2007, 10:03
I don't care what someone looks like, if they are in trouble I will stop for them.

Exactly.... fuck's sake. At the VERY least - question #1... "You want a hand?".

Krusti
4th May 2007, 10:32
What I think could be interesting is....if there was a KB ride to Wanganui and we all wore our KB T-shirts would we have to all go our own way if someone reported to the Police that they felt intimidated by this 'patched gang' ?

placidfemme
4th May 2007, 10:50
lol @ gangs

my gran is convinced I ride in a gang... I've tried many time to explain the difference between a gang and a group... but nope... I'm in a gang...

bloody gangsters

Hanne
4th May 2007, 14:40
Sometimes the whole tough-image can be used to your advantage.
Squigs and I were on a sttehighway just north of Taupo last year when a stupid woman pulled out right in front of us from a side road. 100km zone, she didn't even stop to look... anyway, after a lot of 'what the hell was that?!' arm waving and a one fingered slaute, she kept right back. Doing less than 70km I'd say, there was no way she wanted to see us again.
And this was on Squig's GSXR750, loaded up to the max with camping gear.
Tent poles strapped to your pack can be very intimidating, apparently...

The Lone Rider
4th May 2007, 17:47
.....and yet most of those commuters probably wear leather behind closed doors.

Hypocrites!

Hhheyaaaaa baby. Shagadelic.

I have yet to bin, so I shall see then if anyone helps me.