Motorcyclists deliberately kill dog

[riffer]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4046748a11.html

Just sick...

bastards.

[Paul in NZ]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4046748a11.html

Just sick...

bastards.

They are not motorcyclists - just cunts on a motorcycle who should not be riding there anyway..

[mazz1972]

OMFG!!!!!

Generally I do not condone violence......but I would soooooo love to get my hands on the b*stard!!!!

[The Pastor]

OMFG!!!!!

Generally I do not condone violence......but I would soooooo love to get my hands on the b*stard!!!!

Must be all that 2 stroke smoke killing the braincells of the kids riding it.

[SwanTiger]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.

[ManDownUnder]

Must be all that 2 stroke smoke killing the braincells of the kids riding it.

More like the lack of brain cells killing the bike, dog, peace...

[Ixion]

I have had some experience of Ubiquitous Dog, and I doubt any motorcyclist would wish to take the risk of deliberately running over one of any size.

[ManDownUnder]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.

You forgot rapists, murderers wife and children beaters - there's a long list... oh and we're cruel to animals. Yeah that's right - sorry - I must have forgotten how that's all... damned metrosexuals.

[Daffyd]

At least the headlines didn't scream out, "Motorcyclists Deliberately Kill Family Pet"
I hope they catch the little bastards!

[The Pastor]

Men are liars .

Im my experiance I find chicks are way more deciving than men.

[bistard]

The bad news about this sorry affair,is once again the media has jumped in,showing motorcyclists in a bad light,now watch the greenies & fuckwits on councils ban bikes from the beach,the roads etc,as a knee jerk reaction to one incident,rather than catching the little shits & prosecuting them

[SwanTiger]

Where are the independant witnesses claiming that it was deliberate?

There is no real hard proof.

We don't know the real facts or both sides of the story.

Public opinion is not justice.

[90s]

Im my experiance I find chicks are way more deciving than men.

Do you really want us to question your experience, master?

[oldrider]

Recently there was an incident of "motorcyclists" creating havoc for a couple of campers at Ahuriri river bridge at Omarama, reported on TV and radio and in the news papers.

I enquired about this among the local motorcycle riders only to find that the truth was very much different than the story that was presented by the national media!

The dog owner should have had better control on his dog if he was so concerned for it's welfare, I personally think it was most likely that both the dog and the boy on the bike were victims of an accidental incident. :yes: Cheers John.

[90s]

At least note the use of " " in the headline, and the sceptical tone. Better than we usually get.

I am still annoyed with the headline on the recent triple-rider tradegy claiming it as a "motorcycle crash" rather than "drunk driver wipes out people in his path" as it should have been. In the first reports all the sympathy was for the driver, with the hint being that the bikes may have been at fault.

[alexthekidd]

Well if the news is to be believed then it makes me ashame to say i come from the same place as these cunts.

If its not, hopefully the full story comes out and we can find out what reall happened, hopefully its not as fucking sick as this story.

[XTCRacing]

All in all, not good.

[Fatjim]

If I was riding on the beach and a dog ran at me and started barking and looked like it was going to bite then I'd do my best to run the bastard over.

[mazz1972]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.

Absolutely agree, however no vehicles are permitted on that beach, so it should never have happened, deliberate or not.

Having said that, I'm not entirely sure of the situation with dogs on that beach...

[Shadows]

I have had some experience of Ubiquitous Dog, and I doubt any motorcyclist would wish to take the risk of deliberately running over one of any size.

I ran over a labrador on my bike once. Or maybe it was a golden retriever. Not sure, all dogs smell the same to me.
Funnily enough it was in Paekak, Ames St, I think, the one with the speed humps. I was doing about 40k when this dog rushed me from somebody's driveway, I didn't intend to run it over but timed my leg swing perfectly and caught the fucker in the side of the head with my steelcap just as he went for my leg, he rolled over with the impact and his head went under my back wheel. It was a big bump but I stayed on.
The bastard mongrel got up and ran away yelping, damn shame.

Any way. Fuckers should control their mutts.

[imdying]

If I was riding on the beach and a dog ran at me and started barking and looked like it was going to bite then I'd do my best to run the bastard over.

Aren't they legally supposed to be on a leash anyway?

[chanceyy]

dunno if laws have changed but from april onwards dogs can be run loose on the beach .. just in summer must be leashed, during the day ...

we used to have a bach at pram beach & take the dogs down there daily but that was quite a few yrs ago now




on a side note .. I have had ppl in cars mostly but some bikers be completely disrespectful when out riding my horses, mostly young guys who will go racing past tooting the horn or reving the car/bike as they go past .. luckily my horses are pretty traffic proof but it could only take once for them to get spooked or bolt .. esp when riding one & leading the other.

on the whole most are pretty respectful .. & thank you to those ppl who are :)

[SwanTiger]

I ran over a labrador on my bike once. Or maybe it was a golden retriever. Not sure, all dogs smell the same to me.
Funnily enough it was in Paekak, Ames St, I think, the one with the speed humps. I was doing about 40k when this dog rushed me from somebody's driveway, I didn't intend to run it over but timed my leg swing perfectly and caught the fucker in the side of the head with my steelcap just as he went for my leg, he rolled over with the impact and his head went under my back wheel. It was a big bump but I stayed on.
The bastard mongrel got up and ran away yelping, damn shame.

Any way. Fuckers should control their mutts.
Well putting it like that, if what is claimed to be true in the article actually is, then your actions are somewhat the same as those young riders were alleged to of commited on the beach.

[Shadows]

Well putting it like that, if what is claimed to be true in the article actually is, then your actions are somewhat the same as those young riders were alleged to of commited on the beach.

What? Defending myself from an attacking dog? Mind you, come to think of it, maybe you are right, I should have let it latch on to my leg and drag me off my bike, then I could have had the cnut destroyed. Either way he wouldn't do it again, so I think I took the softer option.

As I said, people should control their dogs. I've had to drag dogs off other dogs, and off people. I've seen them maul each other, and other people's pets on their own property. I've had them run in front of me on the open road when on my motorbike, I've been knocked off a deadly treadly by one and lost 4 front teeth. I've been bitten by them more than once, once on my own property, and I've trod in their shit.

There is only one side of the story being told in that article, I wouldn't be surprised if the truth was that the dog in the article chased down the guy on the bike, bit the front wheel, and went under. If that was the turn of events, bad luck to the dog owner, he should have had his dog under control. If it wasn't the turn of events, although not condoning the running down of somebody's pet, he should have had his dog under control in the first place, then it wouldn't have happened.

What if it had torn the throat out of some toddler because he couldn't keep the dog in check? The boot would be right up the other arsehole then.

[Forest]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.

Quoted for truth.

It may have been the case that the dog deliberately rushed the bike. I know that has happened to me a few times while I've been out riding the back-roads

[Cibby]

i complely agree with swanny...

it could have gone anyway and i'm thinking that maybe the dog chased teh biker and got in the way... who knows..

I'm glad that the dog didnt cause the bike to crash and the guy to seriously injure himself....

[Paul in NZ]

Yes yes yes - bad doggy... BUT the dog was allowed to be on the beach - motorcycles are banned from that beach (and quite rightly so)... Quite the opposite if a dog runs out on the road where it is NOT supposed to be but a registered and warrented motorcycle IS allowed to be.

[SwanTiger]

What? Defending myself from an attacking dog? Mind you, come to think of it, maybe you are right, I should have let it latch on to my leg and drag me off my bike, then I could have had the cnut destroyed. Either way he wouldn't do it again, so I think I took the softer option.
Dogs chase vehicles, it is something that has happened since the first roads and vehicles came about.

I've been chased by countless dogs too, but I sure as hell don't try and purposely injure the dog to "teach it a lesson".

It is not the dogs fault that the owner A.) doesn't have a suitable yard to confine the dog and / or B.) hasn't trained the dog to ignore / avoid traffic on the road.

If a youth is out on the road playing chicken with traffic, do you purposely try to run them over or put a boot in their head?

[Fatjim]

Moot point Paul. The dog was disturbed by the bike, yet it managed to be run over by it. Either it had 2 legs and couldn't run away, or it went for the bike. I can't imagine a 2 legged dog getting off the leash, no matter how old the owner was.

Clearly the "overwhelming" evidence points to the dog having a go at the motorcyclist. Whether the bike should have been there or not is not really the main issue. The main issue is that the article makes the guy who ran over the dog look like the aggressor, when in all likelihood he was being attacked.

[Fatjim]

It is not the dogs fault that the owner A.) doesn't have a suitable yard to confine the dog and / or B.) hasn't trained the dog to ignore / avoid traffic on the road.


Dog's are dogs and the chase cars. But it's pretty hard to run a dog over when it's behind you?

If they run under you wheels and you run it over then get over it. If it goes to bite you and you have steelcaps on then go for it, then get over it.

By getting over it I mean
a) grow up, get a life and build a bridge.
b) squash the bastards head so it does bit some poor kids face off.

[Paul in NZ]

Moot point Paul.

I disagree

There are rules and laws to keep incompatables apart - the bike should not have been there.

Besides - it's a silly argument, we were not there to see it, who knows what really happened.. Personally i don't think it happened at all and the americans faked it all on a sound stage in Maiami..

[SwanTiger]

Dog's are dogs and the chase cars. But it's pretty hard to run a dog over when it's behind you?

If they run under you wheels and you run it over then get over it. If it goes to bite you and you have steelcaps on then go for it, then get over it.

By getting over it I mean
a) grow up, get a life and build a bridge.
b) squash the bastards head so it does bit some poor kids face off.
If it runs out in front of you on the road and you can't stop in time, shit happens of course, which is probably the case with the dog on the beach.

Regardless of that, what I stated is different to what you're saying. I don't take "sides", I like to look at something from all angles and find the truth - not emotionally charged opinion.

Anyway, most people are too ignorant these days so I'm not going to waste my time on this thread.

[imdying]

I agree with what Paul says... dogs don't go for bikes that aren't there, and if the bike shouldn't have been there, then there's no defence.

I also agree with Shadow, if a dog 'goes me', I will either cripple or kill it, depending on how lucky I or the dog am.

[Matt_TG]

As a dog owner and a motorcyclist I can see both sides of the story, however we really don't know the full story.

What I can say is that I have come across many dogs on the side of the road when out riding, and have been prepared to take defensive action if they should chase me. Just last week passing by a reserve a hound ran out towards me, I slowed down till it was alongside then sped off, outrunning it. No need to boot the dog in its head guys, it won't out run you. I believe that the road code covers this too.

Perhaps a different story if it came at right angles heading for the front wheel, but swerve and accelerate and it's all good.

Dogs enjoy the chase, it's in their instincts. It doesn't mean they want to savage you but if something noisy comes by they see it as a challenge to chase or to scare away. My dog looks the goods when running at you but he will just stop and lick you to death.

I would expect that those guys on the bike would have seen the old man and his dog beforehand (from a report on the radio it was a Jack Russel or similar sized - so not Cujo) and I would have thought that they would have been aware and prepared.

My mutt doesn't chase bikes but he used to go septic whenever I fired mine up. He does think horses are fair game though, which can get a bit scary... it comes down to what they have been exposed to and learnt to get used to.

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

[mazz1972]

As a dog owner and a motorcyclist I can see both sides of the story, however we really don't know the full story.

What I can say is that I have come across many dogs on the side of the road when out riding, and have been prepared to take defensive action if they should chase me. Just last week passing by a reserve a hound ran out towards me, I slowed down till it was alongside then sped off, outrunning it. No need to boot the dog in its head guys, it won't out run you. I believe that the road code covers this too.

Perhaps a different story if it came at right angles heading for the front wheel, but swerve and accelerate and it's all good.

Dogs enjoy the chase, it's in their instincts. It doesn't mean they want to savage you but if something noisy comes by they see it as a challenge to chase or to scare away. My dog looks the goods when running at you but he will just stop and lick you to death.

I would expect that those guys on the bike would have seen the old man and his dog beforehand (from a report on the radio it was a Jack Russel or similar sized - so not Cujo) and I would have thought that they would have been aware and prepared.

My mutt doesn't chase bikes but he used to go septic whenever I fired mine up. He does think horses are fair game though, which can get a bit scary... it comes down to what they have been exposed to and learnt to get used to.

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

Very well said Matt :yes:

[avgas]

There are two sides to every story and from the context of that article we are suppose to beleive what the old man (owner of the dog) is claiming.

Men are liars - Old men just have a lot more experience.
hehe - yep.
It probably wasnt a dog, it was a rabid man eating goose. I ran over one of them on my ts cos the bloody thing was trying to kill me.

[Patrick]

In the end I feel for the dog owner and as these riders haven't come forward with their side of the story I can't help but think the media has things correct.

Not all kids read the papers either...

Old guy couldn't control a Jack Russell????????

[Toaster]

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breathe. The murdering sod should be set upon by pitbulls - at least put these nasty creatures to good use.

Our nation is just too soft. This guy deserves a beating. My condolences to the elderly dog owner who lost his friend and companion.

[Matt_TG]

Not all kids read the papers either...

Old guy couldn't control a Jack Russell????????

I heard about it on The Rock, saw it on the net, no doubt something was on TV. The kids would know what they did, the fact they didn't stop at that time could give an indication of their responsibilities, regardless if they saw/heard/read about it.

I doubt a young guy could catch a Jack Russell. They go like the clappers. The statement is irrelevant though, it was allowed off the leash.

[mangell6]

The rules on the beach are specific. No motorcycles on the beach and Dogs must be under control. The dog was not under control and the bikes should not have been there.
Terriers chase moving objects apparently it is inbred into them, and it takes a skilled rider to "deliberately" hit or avoid a moving obstacle.

[quickbuck]

Some people just shouldn't be allowed to breathe. The murdering sod should be set upon by pitbulls - at least put these nasty creatures to good use.


And a real (well loved) Pit bull will just lick them to death.

Not nasty at all.
It's all Hype.

So, my question is, who said they were kids?
Going to read article now...
But my guess is it was the old man.
Anybody half his age will be "a boy" to him.

[candor]

Dogs aren't possums or pests that its a favour to get rid of them like some are saying. You don't kill someones family member because he or she annoys you due to a chasing instinct. This perception that chasing dogs after vehicles are a threat or on attack mode seems hostile and paranoid to me. Like once bitten twice shy. They are domestic just like cats aren't lions.

Most dog breeds have been bred for thousands of years to remove the hunting / killing / fighting gene but they often still like to chase. They would no more survive in the wild than if we plonked Paris Hilton down with the eskimos.

Mine is a GSP which chases rabbits and possums several hours every day and occasionally cats, but has never hurt one. He bails them up cornered then just barks at them till I come. Has no killing know how - its called inhibited aggression. Thats cos thru selective breeding he was made a retriever with soft mouth ie when he brings shot ducks back he naturally does no damage to them.

Most dogs who will chase or even growl or even play bite are not vicious. It would be a much poorer world if everyone gets low tolerance to dogs presence just because some total jerks have got into selective breeding for vicious freaks and then deliberately or ignorantly raising the mutants to be savage - undoing thousands of years of selective breeding that was done to get the best most social temperaments into man best friend.

The genes of dogs come from wolfs and foxes and some other mutt which i forget now as had lessons with police dog handler ages ago. If foxy heritage they are a bit more aggro, but the wolfy breeds are generally more social and gentler than humans on average. Lucky as they're the bigger ones.

I think this was either an accident or a dog hate crime by some immature git showing off. If it was the second then I hope the jerk meets a pit bull down a dark alley oneday. As the dog he killed was clearly a great dog and prolly loved by many. It may be the owners only family and he might die from grief.

Was once walking my dog on westport beach and my mate was back in car. A similar car came on beach with hoons and my dog thought twas ours and chaseed. Very soon he was miles away then had gone off beach on road. I got worried. The hoons did a big loop and then u turned to lead back and return my dog that flew past me again once they saw me pointing and having a fit. My dog had gotten deaf and blind to me as he only had eyes for what he thought was our car leaving him behind. He'd nearly run ghimself to death keeping up with the hoons. When he saw me where he left me and strangers in that car he was quite surprised.

Those kids did the right thing. They saw what was happening and helped rather than seeing it as the opportunity for some sport of bloodlust. Maybe cos there was girls in the cars too??? As someone said its not so easy to just run over a dog on 2 wheels - I would give some vredence to the owners story - it sounded like gratuitious violence against a defenseless wee pet. A pit bull and my view would be different.

[MotoGirl]

I found the article too brief to form an opinion. Like other's have said, it basically implied we should believe the old man's story.

[quickbuck]

If it was the second then I hope the jerk meets a pit bull down a dark alley oneday.


Why a Pitty?
A Rotti will do a better job.

Thing is, if this young man is indeed a callus dog murderer then he will soon or eventually meet up with one of the Queens finest German Shepherds in any case.

[Fatjim]

I can't help but think the media has things correct.

I can honestly say, that when the media has reported something that I have had first hand knowledge of they have never been accurate. Thats NEVER.

In my mind, the odds are firmly against the story in this case being accurate, purely because it has appeared in a newspaper.

[TygerTung]

I doubt that anyone would purposly run over a dog if even for the eason that dogs are a large object which upon running over would result in accident.

[Chaos83]

Hmm.. So, according to this article: some rider on a sandy beach, sees a disgruntled dog, and intentionally runs it over in front of the owner?

This old man's perspective seems a bit bias, especially if he had owned the dog for a long time. We know that the surface was sand, the bike was at speed, and the dog ran towards it. The story is more probably:

- The dog observes a bike that is making big noises and heading towards its owner.
- The dog runs to attack the bike and the rider hits it.
- The owner sees this and feels the incident could have been avoided if the bike had turned or braked and hence considers it intentional.
- In reality the biker was probably unable to do either of these things on sand and at speed.
- The biker knowing they can't turn, and are either unable to stop in time or not wanting to stop and be mauled, does the only thing left doing: continuing straight and hanging on tight.
- Once the incident is over, the biker realises the impact of what happened while they were illegally riding on the beach, and makes a run for it with their mates.

Who is more at fault: The biker illegally riding on the beach at speed, or the man who takes his dog for a walk along the beach without a leash? The rider is definitely at fault (even though they probably couldn't avoid the accident) for a number of reasons. But the main one is that fast metal objects are not meant to be flying across the beach for a good reason - it is dangerous for other people (and dogs) sharing the beach.

In the end, thanks to the brilliantly written article, motorcyclists cop a bad reputation again. I know it's impossible, but if only there was a newspaper that gave the whole story and did not take sides.

[Patrick]

Not nasty at all.
It's all Hype.



Tell that to those who have been bitten by those of "that" breed...

[Patrick]

Thing is, if this young man is indeed a callus dog murderer then he will soon or eventually meet up with one of the Queens finest German Shepherds in any case.

Our best local land shark just retired... but he is teaching the new prodigy good tricks of the trade...

[Patrick]

I heard about it on The Rock, saw it on the net, no doubt something was on TV. The kids would know what they did, the fact they didn't stop at that time could give an indication of their responsibilities, regardless if they saw/heard/read about it.

I doubt a young guy could catch a Jack Russell. They go like the clappers. The statement is irrelevant though, it was allowed off the leash.

My boy likes motorbikes, watches TV, plays on the net, doesn't watch the news or read the papers. He has no idea about this story...

Good summation Chaos83. More like it, I think...

[Matt_TG]

Nice post Chaos, sounds pretty logical and summed up well.

We'll probably never know and regardless, there are no winners in this type of thing.

[Chrislost]

The noise upset the dog and it ran from its owner.

and then got run over, now i have seen many dogs run at my bike while being walked unrestrained, if one of them ran infront of me i sure wouldnt try swerve as this would put me at risk.

[Rhino]

A couple of things come to mind here,

Firstly, it is illegal to ride a bike on the beach. The guy should not have been there on his bike.:yeah:

Secondly, I was always taught that if an animal runs out in front of you and you have insufficient distance to stop, the only safe option for the rider is to keep the bike absolutely vertical and accelerate as hard as possible to lighten the front wheel and pull up on the bars prior to impact. I know that this sounds awful (I am an animal lover and pet owner, so this would be the last option) but hitting anything with the bike cranked over and/or braking is almost certain to spill the rider on the ground.

I have only had to do this once (with a Moggy Missile), but it was not a nice feeling.:gob:

Thankfully the cat survived.:yes: