View Full Version : What d'ya think? ... RED REP debate
mstriumph
8th May 2007, 00:41
can't help noticing that the rep system - red rep in particular - causes a large amount of upset on here...
who has done it to whom and how many times etc
I'm not suggesting rep be canned entirely - it's prolly too late for that and, anyway, green rep's a good way for peop's to comment directly on each other's posts ...
BUT - would it be a good idea to get rid of RED rep?
if so, entirely? or mebbe limit the amount? or just abolish people's ability to make inflamitory/threatening comments with it?
C'mon people ----- let's have some of your thoughts on the subject? Fixing the red rep thingy may go a long way towards fixing some of the bickering going on around here [not saying the mods will take any notice of this - but at least we can throw 'em some ideas ........... if we have any ...]
ps - if you don't wanna talk about it here, that's fine - but if you afterwards start bitching about rep i shall have to kill you ....................:msn-wink:
hurricane_r
8th May 2007, 00:45
i was -400 i think at one stage, who cares, about it as long as u arnt in red.
ZeroIndex
8th May 2007, 00:56
Red rep is an awesome way for insecure people to let me know how bad their day was whenever i post something slightly threatening to their sense of livelyhood... it's the damn internet, get over it...
slowpoke
8th May 2007, 01:15
anyway, green rep's a good way for peop's to comment directly on each other's posts ...
If that's the case the same could be said for red rep, or do we only want to hear good things? Surely knowing you've caused offence is of more benefit than fatuous agreement?
Personally I don't see the point of the rep system.
All comments, good and bad, should be out in the open. If you aren't prepared to say it out in the open in front of other people then it's probably inappropriate. People would tend to be a bit more circumpsect about some of their shitty comments if they knew their "peers" would see what an arse they really are.
NighthawkNZ
8th May 2007, 07:20
some times I go outta my way to try and get red repped... got my first one yesterday hehhehe
bugjuice
8th May 2007, 08:11
where's the 'get over it, it's not life' option?
does anyone really care? And if you do, really don't take it personally. Go outside, get on your bike and go get some air
and why are we goin thru this shmit again?
I personally don't believe in red/green rep so ever, i never dish out rep, and don't care if i get either
Rep was brought onto to KB for people to show their agreement or disagreement with a certain post.
What pisses me off, it has become a tool for bullying, and even more for rewarding people for some really pathetic behaviour. I have been told by people that cetain members of KB obviously contribute a lot to this site, because they have a lot of rep... wtf? I think people need to open their eyes and see the value or rep... i.e. Fuck all!
As White Trash always says "I hate fucken polularity contests" (gotta love that man)
Ideal world it would be used the way it was intended, but I have realised that is far gone...
Use the green rep as you feel fit.
The minute red rep is being used to bully or harras other members, it is seen as abuse and will dealt with as per the site rules.
Keep it clean.
Or find somewhere else to play.
Pretty simple eh? :thud:
edit: Oh yeah. my vote would be for getting rid of rep all together (green and red)
Hitcher
8th May 2007, 08:47
I agree with Joni in that red rep is often used by people as a way of either needling or intimidating members "off the radar" of discussion on open forums. Consequently this sort of misuse goes completely unnoticed until the recipient has enough and raises the matter (rightly) with Mods.
My jury is still out regarding the rep system -- in terms of the benefits outweighing the costs or vice versa. But I do believe that the ability to rep is a priviledge that should be revoked for people who constantly abuse it.
Big Dave
8th May 2007, 09:02
edit: Oh yeah. my vote would be for getting rid of rep all together (green and red)
Dump the 10 character crap while you are at it and job done.
skelstar
8th May 2007, 09:02
I like the green rep system. I like that if I say something that appeals to someone they don't have to follow my post up with: "Yeah man that was funny!". Also gives mikey an opportunity to rant ;)
I see little point in the red-rep feature. Life doesn't have red-rep (or green I suppose)...it has reasonable conversation and debate.
Dump the 10 character crap while you are at it and job done.No can do, there is a reason for that rule... else this site will be filled with grunters who have nothing of value to say...
eg.
Woohoo
Repost
Agreed
etc...
Damn Im grumpy today eh?
skelstar
8th May 2007, 09:16
Some grunters are smart enough to know that:
"Repost...." = "Repost"
...and infact they will post that 10,000+ times.
+1 for supporting Buggy's comments.
Who cares...
some people need to get a life. what do they do in real life when someone disagrees with them? if red rep is taken away the abuse will still happen via PM. we can all see who's doing the repping, so what's the problem? there's some real machocists on here - just keep coming back for more.
Big Dave
8th May 2007, 09:37
No can do, there is a reason for that rule... else this site will be filled with grunters who have nothing of value to say...
eg.
Woohoo
Repost
Agreed
etc...
Damn Im grumpy today eh?
wrong
10
Well Dave life has proved there will always be the arse who pushes the lines...
Deviant Esq
8th May 2007, 10:07
I like the green rep system. I like that if I say something that appeals to someone they don't have to follow my post up with: "Yeah man that was funny!".
Yeah, I agree with that. Also if you've put a lot of effort into a post, or made some good points, someone can thank you without posting it on the thread, but without going to the effort of writing you a PM and having to express themselves.
I don't mind red rep either, if it's done appropriately. If I post up something stupid or illegal or whatever, and I get red repped for it, that's fair enough. Still don't like it, but if my post is that bad and the person red repping me has a point, then I'll put up with it. What I really hate is getting red repped by one person in particular who is just abusing me for the sheer hell of it. What's the matter pussy, can't PM me and have a good bitch? Either way I report it. You've never met me, you don't know me, yet you hurl abuse and personal attacks at me through the rep system. Grow up, get a life.
The last option on the poll is a pretty good one I think... :whistle:
I think that the rep system is an interesting idea .. when used appropriately and not to intimidate or bully people the red rep makes a point. The fact that it is mis-used is an issue - there are some people who would not come back once they get bullied by some of the idiots out there. That is not good for this site.:dodge:
ditch rep altogether....whats the point? you can still say what you want in a post or a pm...who cares how many green or red bars you have under your name??
skelstar
8th May 2007, 10:27
Hate the red rep...only ever used it twice (once for MT cause he wanted it) and recieved it once (from MT for me posting a "Yay 4000 posts" thread). If I don't agree with something I'll post an argument to their point...not abuse through an impersonal mechanism like the rep system.
Grahameeboy
8th May 2007, 10:40
Hate the red rep...only ever used it twice (once for MT cause he wanted it) and recieved it once (from MT for me posting a "Yay 4000 posts" thread). If I don't agree with something I'll post an argument to their point...not abuse through an impersonal mechanism like the rep system.
At the end of the day we can ignore, same as we can posts..........a certain person has sent me 2 red reps using what appears to be something abusive...last one was "litle fckn chkn" which I just ignored cause I felt sorry for him and the one before that was worse so I simply asked him to explain which he didn't which was not odd..........
You are lucky I got a MOD pm telling me off for saying "yay 3,000 threads"
mstriumph
8th May 2007, 10:48
....................
and why are we goin thru this shmit again?
'we' aren't
but other sites, that DON'T allow peops an real easy way to slag off at each other in private at the touch of a button don't seem to be having the level of discontent we are having here ...............
so shoot me already - just thought that talking about the things that could cause upset, right here in the open like this, just might give some pointers about how things could be put right
ps don't know how to myself, but if a mod wanted to add a 'get rid of all rep' option to the poll, that may be appropriate seeing some of the comments? ............ or HOW ABOUT [*brainwave*] giving people the ability to OPT OUT of the rep system ........... or (on a roll now ....) fixing the system so that, when you put someone on 'ignore' that prevents them from repping you too?
I presume MS, the "other" sites you are referring to also have 7000+ members?...
MotoGirl
8th May 2007, 11:01
If used properly, the red rep system would be a fantastic way to say "oi, pull your head in". Unfortunately, some of KB's more cowardly members aren't using it properly, so it provides little value.
In my opinion, KB has two options:
- Leave the rep system as is, but severely punish anyone who misuses it. Eventually any miscreants should use it correctly or stop bullying people because they're sick of being reprimanded.
- Remove the rep system completely (and therefore, punish the people who use it correctly).
where's the 'get over it, it's not life' option?
LOL - I didn't vote cause I couldn't find the "build a bridge" option . . .
mstriumph
8th May 2007, 11:06
I presume MS, the "other" sites you are referring to also have 7000+ members?...
some have more
and i freely agree with your implication that this isn't an apples and apples comparison and that there may be many other factors involved in their apparant lack of aggro ................
however - it wasn't actually intended as a 'look - they are doing things better than us ..........."
it was intended as a "let's look and see what others are doing DIFFERENT to us that might be helpful to KB"
on that basis, i think mentioning other sites is valid?
Toaster
8th May 2007, 11:07
Red rep is an awesome way for insecure people to let me know how bad their day was whenever i post something slightly threatening to their sense of livelyhood... it's the damn internet, get over it...
Nice one mate. Very good.
onearmedbandit
8th May 2007, 11:10
The easy answer is get rid of the rep system entirely, but I dislike the 'easy' options in life. I do agree that unfortunately it has become a tool used by some to bully others on the forum. In these instances you should bring the issue up with a senior mod, we can look into it and take the appropriate action, which may include taking the ability to rep away from that person. If you're upset because an individual gave you red because they don't agree with what you said, suck it up. Your rep points are not worth anything, you can't cash them in or use them to buy a sandwich maker, no really cares how much you've got (ever seen anyway say 'your opinion doesn't count as you don't have sufficient rep'?), and it's only you that can see it.
If however, it becomes abusive then as I said bring it up with a mod.
skelstar
8th May 2007, 11:12
The easy answer is get rid of the rep system entirely, but I dislike the 'easy' options in life.
Unfortunately you have to allow for the lowest common denominator, and sometimes thats fairly low on this site.
No can do, there is a reason for that rule... else this site will be filled with grunters who have nothing of value to say...
eg.
Woohoo
Repost
Agreed
etc...
Damn Im grumpy today eh?
<ytubytbuguyyub>
mstriumph
8th May 2007, 11:13
LOL - I didn't vote cause I couldn't find the "build a bridge" option . . .
it's not so simple....... it isn't ABOUT you, or anyone else that doesn't care about rep themselves .......
........... it's about trying to think of ways to deal with some of the severe bullying that red rep seems to be being used for on here ......... bullying that would prolly upset any fair person if they saw it happening in open forum
bullying that now never comes to light unless the victim reports it because the rep system is quick and private
if you've got any ideas on how bullies like that can be stopped, then THAT would be useful?
ManDownUnder
8th May 2007, 11:14
As I see it the aims are twofold:
1) Enable people to express their disagreement and have it reflected in the rep system (otherwise it simply reduces the reputation system to an indicator of tenure... doesn't it?)
2) Avoid abuse, harrassment and bullying as much as the red rep system allows.
Removing it from the hands of those that demostrate their inability to use it wisely seems a sensible answer. Senior Mods would be the ones to make that call ... and the rest takes care of itself.
No?
ManDownUnder
8th May 2007, 11:15
if you've got any ideas on how bullies like that can be stopped, then THAT would be useful?
I think the existing system works personally (doesn't it). Misbehave (enough) and you get infracted the hell offline. If someone chooses to escalate it to the real world it becomes a civil or criminal matter and the Police step in.
on that basis, i think mentioning other sites is valid?Yes it is and fair enough...
However what concerns me on KB, is all the complaining and "should we do this" and "why are we doing that" threads... at the end of the day the decisions wont be made by the users of KB...
Yes the Senior Mods will take what people think into consideration, but we will decide what we think is best for the site at the end of the day.
These threads become a big bitch session, and scratches at issues where maybe scratching is not needed at that exact moment.
However, it takes all types, some people want to debate and make their point very loudly known... Fair enough... go for it, however a quiet suggestion via pm might be just as effective and not as disruptive.
At the end of the day, stomp your foot, do your dance... the decisions will still be made with the majority in mind, not the loud minority.
Grahameeboy
8th May 2007, 11:18
Unfortunately you have to allow for the lowest common denominator, and sometimes thats fairly low on this site.
Yeah, why let them change what is a great site........keep it as it is cause 99% of the guys on the site are 'alright geezer'.
Pity I cannot by a sandwich maker with my points....do you think I could use them to buy out my 'infractions'?
Grahameeboy
8th May 2007, 11:20
Yes it is and fair enough...
However what concerns me on KB, is all the complaining and "should we do this" and "why are we doing that" threads... at the end of the day the decisions wont be made by the users of KB...
Yes the Senior Mods will take what people think into consideration, but we will decide what we think is best for the site at the end of the day.
These threads become a big bitch session, and scratches at issues where maybe scratching is not needed at that exact moment.
However, it takes all types, some people want to debate and make their point very loudly known... Fair enough... go for it, however a quiet suggestion via pm might be just as effective and not as disruptive.
At the end of the day, stomp you foot, do your dance... the decisions will still be made with the majority in mind, not the loud minority.
And this kind of sense is why we should let MOD's decide....
Toaster
8th May 2007, 11:25
If I don't agree with something I'll post an argument to their point...not abuse through an impersonal mechanism like the rep system.
I agree mate - it is better to discuss things - that is what forums are for. I think the red rep system has its place when used properly.
mstriumph
8th May 2007, 11:49
And this kind of sense is why we should let MOD's decide....
shouldn't that post have rather been in brown ??? :shutup:
face it fella, NOTHING short of a miracle is gonna make you infraction-proof! :laugh:
Grahameeboy
8th May 2007, 11:53
shouldn't that post have rather been in brown ??? :shutup:
face it fella, NOTHING short of a miracle is gonna make you infraction-proof! :laugh:
No green...you should know that I do not lick gals bums.........
I have had 4 infractions
2 x Wrong Forum....guess I should realise all my threads are PD starters eh?
1 x Taking off Topic (By Jim2 on his own bloody thread..cheeky bugger)
1 x opening up a 2005 thread to see what happened.
Boo hoo.....I still have not got over it....
Toaster
8th May 2007, 12:19
....... and you red repped me just now because "you are colour blind"???????? :gob: Dude what are you smoking today?
Brian d marge
8th May 2007, 12:21
Its wonderfully liberating!!
with total red , you can;
post in incorrect forums
make an arse of you self
post utter crap !
my latest plan is to do random posts by . like a drive by ... but containing no thought whatsoever !!
can the whole system and if you agree or disagree with the posts . say so !!!
Grunters may find this difficult , but there is help available .
Stephen
Dude what are you smoking today?The good stuff obviously... seems the doobey is being pased to a few members of KB today :confused:
Grahameeboy
8th May 2007, 12:22
....... and you red repped me just now because "you are colour blind"???????? :gob: Dude what are you smoking today?
I am smoking Trollups mate................
carver
8th May 2007, 13:01
can't help noticing that the rep system - red rep in particular - causes a large amount of upset on here...
who has done it to whom and how many times etc
I'm not suggesting rep be canned entirely - it's prolly too late for that and, anyway, green rep's a good way for peop's to comment directly on each other's posts ...
BUT - would it be a good idea to get rid of RED rep?
if so, entirely? or mebbe limit the amount? or just abolish people's ability to make inflamitory/threatening comments with it?
C'mon people ----- let's have some of your thoughts on the subject? Fixing the red rep thingy may go a long way towards fixing some of the bickering going on around here [not saying the mods will take any notice of this - but at least we can throw 'em some ideas ........... if we have any ...]
ps - if you don't wanna talk about it here, that's fine - but if you afterwards start bitching about rep i shall have to kill you ....................:msn-wink:
as motu once said, who cares, its only a computer.
Hitcher
8th May 2007, 13:04
I have never issued red rep. But some people have at times been the recipient of some particularly ironic green rep from me...
I have never issued red rep. ...
At the risk of a jolly good infractionating...I'm calling you a liar, having recd a red for 'posting on the wrong forum'.
Admittedly, it was a while ago and, with therapy, I'm over it now.
Hitcher
8th May 2007, 13:10
At the risk of a jolly good infractionating...I'm calling you a liar, having recd a red for 'posting on the wrong forum'.
Admittedly, it was a while ago and, with therapy, I'm over it now.
That's an infraction, not red rep.
That's an infraction, not red rep.
No no, cookie boy. 'Twas before infractions became popular, and it was a truly terrifying sight....a solitary red, from Hitcher, nestled amongst an otherwise faultless page of green.
Toaster
8th May 2007, 13:25
I presume an "infraction" is something the mods dish out to the naughty people then....
I presume an "infraction" is something the mods dish out to the naughty people then....
Go on....swear and hurl abuse at one of 'them'...your presumption WILL be confirmed.:killingme
Toaster
8th May 2007, 13:31
Go on....swear and hurl abuse at one of 'them'...your presumption WILL be confirmed.:killingme
I like the mods, they all seem like good people.
They are, and so say 99% of us
A green bling only system wouldn't work, you need some sort of balance - ying yang etc
Some soft cocks do use the red rep system to bully other members, which is quite pathetic IMO. And if anyone believes they are being beaten up by another member using the red rep system then they should report it to a mod.
Mods can only do something about it if it's reported to us.
I voted if you missuse you loose.
SpankMe
8th May 2007, 15:30
It's been said before, it's not the colour of rep, but the comment. Some people have PM'ed me all bent out of shape over nothing more than the red rep itself, but they just need to pull their head out of their arse.
onearmedbandit
8th May 2007, 15:58
Like this SpankMe?
imdying
8th May 2007, 17:01
Where's the poll option for 'abolish the entire rep system'?
It's been said before here, if you are receiving inappropriate/abusive red rep you have the option to complain to a mod, it is their job to take the necessary action, whatever they see fit. Apart from that who really gives a rats ass about it? Personally I have found most times rep is a great source of amusement whether it is green or red.
cowpoos
8th May 2007, 19:15
Personally I don't see the point of the rep system.
I do...its great for my ego!!!! :yes:
cowpoos
8th May 2007, 19:21
only ever used it twice (once for MT cause he wanted it) and recieved it once (from MT for me posting a "Yay 4000 posts" thread). .
stop telling fib's or I'll put you in time out!!!! [or drag you into the sinbin with us boys!!! we could do with some fresh meat!!!! :yes: ]
Virago
8th May 2007, 22:42
I have never issued red rep. But some people have at times been the recipient of some particularly ironic green rep from me...
I am crestfallen....
I once treasured green from one of our more esteemed members - especially when received for correcting your spelling or grammar.
Now I just feel dirty and used.....
sidecar bob
9th May 2007, 18:57
I have had three red rep, one from someone who is currently sin binned, one from a general shit stirrer, but interestingly, the most degrading one was, i believe, from a senior mod.
Grahameeboy
9th May 2007, 19:15
I have had three red rep, one from someone who is currently sin binned, one from a general shit stirrer, but interestingly, the most degrading one was, i believe, from a senior mod.
Well I guess a Senior Mod can be off duty sometimes and is subject to spankings....maybe he was missing out
sunhuntin
12th May 2007, 13:07
ive never been given a red, or given someone a red. i like my greens. :yes: what troubles me is the occasional green gets given to me, with no comment. bit worrying that, but its green, so it must be ok! :sunny:
i say keep it as it is, but maybe punish those that use it for bullying more often than not. [punish = sinbin or infraction]
i like the rep system... get some funny, supportive comments from many members. the supportive rep i received from the weight loss thread was incredible... great to read.
NighthawkNZ
12th May 2007, 13:12
I got my first red rep the other day from some one... ovwer some comment... :) yeah... but then the following day I get a green rep from the person my comment was aimed at...
at the end of the day... :whocares:
Virago
12th May 2007, 13:26
I like the fact that the rep box defaults as positive. :yes:
Kendog
12th May 2007, 17:46
I voted to remove red reps only cause it seems to wind people up.
The only red I have received is from one person and a couple of their friends, not a big deal and the red was lost in the sea of green from the same incident. Does it really matter at the end of the day?
On other forums using the same layout, that don't have the rep system, I often find myself going to green rep someone only to remember it's not there. I think these forums are missing out.
Steam
12th May 2007, 17:48
I just gave some guy red rep, it felt good. Like a long blast on the Stebel. I signed my name to it, and announced in the thread "here's some red rep for you because you insulted my bike", I reckon as long as it's transparent and open, Red Rep can be a good tool for telling people they have gone too far.
Colapop
12th May 2007, 17:50
You're an angry young man, James!
Lissa
12th May 2007, 20:58
I got red repped once :(. And the person who did it... wanted the honor of being my first red rep! :). .. and if he does it again I'm going to smack his bottom!! :spanking:
But it didnt bother me. It would bother me if red rep was used as a way of putting someone down, if it was personal and abusive. I could live without the rep system entirely if I had to... but its lots more fun with it. I usually green rep posts that make me laugh, I agree with, or new members to make them feel welcome.
I like your approach Lissa, probably much like mine as I've never red repped anyone.
Ms Piggy
13th May 2007, 10:32
I don't red rep. If someone posts something I don't agree with I'll either post back my opinion or forget about it.
I don't really care what happens with it but you don't have that as an option.
James Deuce
13th May 2007, 11:18
What CSL said.
KATWYN
13th May 2007, 12:00
Yea well I have never red repped anyone....well except pay back to Inlinefour when he was giving me shit (lotsa red reps), which I totally flipped out and took personally :o
I give green reps! and I just LURVE getting em.
Virago
13th May 2007, 12:03
I don't red-rep simply over a disagreement, but people who are being abusive get up my nose, and I sometimes red them (and usually kick myself after for acting in anger). I also have a habit of red-repping in response to a red-rep, especially if it was delivered with an abusive comment - usually the red will be returned with a "have a nice day" type response.
I gave red a couple of days ago to a newbie that had posted seven times, all abusive and antagonistic. I gave red rep for the seventh post. That "newbie" has now disappeared - I assume it was one of our "bad boy" aliases?:dodge:
Yeah Virago - I think people need to be aware there have been several aliases over the last few weeks...
Try not to take things too seriously - If it looks like an alias and smells like one... the chances are it is one! :yes:
Virago
13th May 2007, 12:13
Yeah Virago - I think people need to be aware there have been several aliases over the last few weeks...
Try not to take things too seriously - If it looks like an alias and smells like one... the chances are it is one! :yes:
Cheers Joni,
Are the aliases hard to weed out? I'm surprised that some people still try.
pritch
13th May 2007, 13:16
shouldn't that post have rather been in brown ??? :shutup:
Well. I'd have given that comment green but I've gotta spread it round.
Thanks for the laugh anyway...
Beemer
13th May 2007, 14:49
I'm not sure it would be possible, but I'm thinking that some sort of running comment along the bottom of a thread with people's comments (good and bad) may be a good idea. Those posting a comment would have their name next to their comment, so others could see what they had said.
That would probably stop a lot of the red rep comments like this: "your sick and dillusional", "Why the fuck are you commenting in a thread when you admit to hating kids crazy lady?", "nioce. a new low attacking my mother. she is ten times the woman you will ever be.", "Shit I am getting heaps of green bling mouthing off about you.Certain folk positivly hate you", "BURN HER AT THE STAKE I SAY", "christ thats bitchy", "I'm baaack lol", and "HELP>>>ME>>>>STOP>>>>>> BAHAHAHAHAHA", etc. When you look at the posts the red rep was for, it certainly was not warranted. And if this person got heaps of green bling for attacking me, then this just shows how low KB has sunk recently. I only got red rep from this one person, no other person felt strongly enough to red rep me - they were all upfront and gave their views in the thread, which is the way it should be.
I have sent PMs to people to explain my views in private and in most intances this has resulted in a cessation of the abuse. In this instance I didn't bother and the moderators obviously felt this poster had gone too far and he was sinbinned. I got red rep from a newbie soon after, so I guess he came back, but that alter-ego has disappeared now too!
speeding_ant
13th May 2007, 19:27
I think we should keep it but let us see who actually posts it. Unless I'm missing something obvious.. :innocent:
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