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Virago
13th May 2007, 11:46
I could google it, but starting an argument is much more fun....
Can someone please give me the definative off-side rules for soccer?
If you ask a group of ardent soccer fans, it always seems to start an argument.....:dodge:
sAsLEX
13th May 2007, 11:49
Keeper and 1 player between the attacker and the goal at the start of the play.
MisterD
13th May 2007, 12:08
Keeper and 1 player between the attacker and the goal at the start of the play.
1) It's two players, one of them doesn't have to be the keeper.
2) An attacking player can be in an otherwise offside position, but if he isn't interfering with play (for instance, heading back away from goal nowhere near the ball) then it doesn't matter.
3) Benefit of the doubt should be given to the attacking team
For people that understand the game of football there is no argument about the offside rule. The arguments are always about whether or not goals should be disallowed because of it...
my sons game yesterday against Waitaki Boys first 11 he was called offside around 30 times, they were playing a offside trap game with all their defence sprinting up past the attackers and as soon as one of the attackers recieved the ball the ref would blow it it was bloody frustrating and several of the offsides were doubtfull and the game ending in a 2/2 draw when it should have been 5/2 to us
xwhatsit
13th May 2007, 12:16
It's actually a complicated rule. I got caught out by it a couple of times lol.
The most common situation involving this is when an attacking player is further up the field than the furthest opponent (not including the keeper) and the ball. But this is only an offence if you touch the ball, or interfere with the ball in play. You can wander around all you like and not touch the ball, and it's OK.
However, you can bring the ball up from behind the defenders, and kick it around in front of them, but the rule is you can't be passed to if you're in front of them.
This doesn't count for corners, throw-ins, or a goalkick (if your goalie has magic boots).
Oh and it only counts once you're out of your own half.
Virago
13th May 2007, 12:22
my sons game yesterday against Waitaki Boys first 11 he was called offside around 30 times, they were playing a offside trap game with all their defence sprinting up past the attackers and as soon as one of the attackers recieved the ball the ref would blow it it was bloody frustrating and several of the offsides were doubtfull and the game ending in a 2/2 draw when it should have been 5/2 to us
That's exactly why I asked. I've just come back from my daughter's game, and our side's coach was doing exactly that. When managing to trap the off-side, he was yelling at the referee, telling him to "play the game". I was not impressed....
Skyryder
13th May 2007, 14:28
my sons game yesterday against Waitaki Boys first 11 he was called offside around 30 times, they were playing a offside trap game with all their defence sprinting up past the attackers and as soon as one of the attackers recieved the ball the ref would blow it it was bloody frustrating and several of the offsides were doubtfull and the game ending in a 2/2 draw when it should have been 5/2 to us
It's a tactical part of the game that goes against the spirit of sportsmanship; like so much in sport these days.
The offside rule applies when a player is in front of two opposing players (goalkeeper excluded) at the time of passing the ball to the offside player.
Skyryder
Squeak the Rat
13th May 2007, 14:32
It's when you call the ref a monkeys-arse in a previous play, and you get on his off-side. He then finds any reason to give a penalty against you.
Hey, if you're reading this you're still a monkeys arse!
Swoop
13th May 2007, 14:33
For people that understand the game of football...
Nice to see someone who knows the proper useage of the word "football" (or Association Football), unlike most pointy-ball fans.
Skyryder
13th May 2007, 14:44
Nice to see someone who knows the proper useage of the word "football" (or Association Football), unlike most pointy-ball fans.
I see the NZ crowd have changed their name from Soccar to 'Football.' Officialy it is only the Americans who now call the game of 'football' soccar. I still try and keep up with the play.
Skyrder
Oakie
13th May 2007, 14:46
my sons game yesterday against Waitaki Boys first 11 he was called offside around 30 times...,
Yay Waitaki Boys. I was in their second 11 for 3 years but did play 1 game for the first 11 in 1977. Less said about that game the better though. :sick:
Nitzer
13th May 2007, 15:26
I could google it, but starting an argument is much more fun....
Can someone please give me the definative off-side rules for soccer?
If you ask a group of ardent soccer fans, it always seems to start an argument.....:dodge:
Just watch a few Arsenal games from the Nineties under George Graham, their defence was notorious for playing the offside-trap.
Be warned though, watching Arsenal play is like watching paint dry!
MisterD
13th May 2007, 15:39
However, you can bring the ball up from behind the defenders, and kick it around in front of them, but the rule is you can't be passed to if you're in front of them.
You can't be passed forwards to. If there's just the goalie and your team- mate crosses the ball to you from the by-line while you're on the penalty spot you're still onside because you're behind the ball.
It's difficult rule to referee because you're never in the right place, so it relys on good linesmen...but it's a bloody sight simpler than the tackled ball rules at rugby
MisterD
13th May 2007, 15:43
Nice to see someone who knows the proper useage of the word "football" (or Association Football), unlike most pointy-ball fans.
Super White Army...
Hanne
13th May 2007, 16:32
for a full explanation of the off-side rules, see 'Bend it liek Beckham': the pepper shaker and the tomato sauce bottle explain it all.
Pathos
13th May 2007, 16:55
Biggest difficulty with the offside rule is that the player must be offside at the time the ball is played not when the player receives it. The linesman must focus on both the passer to identify exactly when the ball is played and the receiver to identify if they are offside at the time the ball is played. Very hard to do, split second decisions which will piss one or the other team off no matter what you do.
Can't be offside in your own half, throw ins or off an oppositions play I believe. You can be offside on set plays such as penalties, goal kicks.
However well/badly the officials judge offsides you should adjust your game for that because even at the professional level it really shows how poorly we can focus on multiple moving objects.
boomer
13th May 2007, 16:59
F O O T B A L L
You have to be in the opposing teams half for the off side rule to come into effect.
Its when the ball is passed forward; If any one of your team is standing nearer to the oppositions goal than an opposing team player (barring there goal keeper) it's off side. This goes for general play, throw ins & free kicks ( direct or indirect ).
This isn't true if one of the opposition touches it first or kicks the ball to your team.
if someone is deemed off side but not having a positive effect on the game.. this may be overlooked.
F O O T B A L L
You can't be passed forwards to. If there's just the goalie and your team- mate crosses the ball to you from the by-line while you're on the penalty spot you're still onside because you're behind the ball.
It's difficult rule to referee because you're never in the right place, so it relys on good linesmen...but it's a bloody sight simpler than the tackled ball rules at rugby
the waitaki boys linesman was red hot on it, and their back line was as well because for the first couple the whole back line put their hands up and called "how is he" event though my boy was tecnically in the wrong he was getting pissed at the ref and almost got sent off for arguing with him and calling him a dickhead under his breath but loud enough to be heard
he was also called offside on a throw in
ynot slow
13th May 2007, 18:01
key words are as ball is played forward,and if interfeering with play,so much is in linesman call on whether player (attacking) is interfeering in the play.which can mean also obstructing the goally view of play.usually if the goalkeeper has a view out of 45degrees from his position on the goaline in middle of goal to area say by edge of goalbox,bloody confusing at times and i've played and reffed and been linesmen.you can only call it as you see it.
I see the NZ crowd have changed their name from Soccar to 'Football.' Officialy it is only the Americans who now call the game of 'football' soccar. I still try and keep up with the play.
SkyrderNa Na Na youre offside here it's soccer not soccar :yes:
he was also called offside on a throw in Looks like they need to get a new Ref:yes:
key words are as ball is played forward,and if interfeering with play,so much is in linesman call on whether player (attacking) is interfeering in the play.which can mean also obstructing the goally view of play.usually if the goalkeeper has a view out of 45degrees from his position on the goaline in middle of goal to area say by edge of goalbox,bloody confusing at times and i've played and reffed and been linesmen.you can only call it as you see it. Thats ded right, you can only call it as you see it, but get it right cos it cant half piss you off if you break their offside trap and be in the clear only to be blown up by a ref or linesman that didnt get it right. Oh:shit:
Manxman
13th May 2007, 19:46
Football would do well to follow the way that hockey went on this, ie abandon the rule altogether.
Result:
1) eliminates unsportsmanlike tactics = boring to watch
2) more goals, particularly breakaway goals - more exciting to watch
3) less uncertainty/whinging/moaning about whether so and so was offside by a hair's breadth/interfering with play, etc, etc, etc all requiring legal opinion and very subjective argument after the event.
It does not:
1) encourage goal hanging - one extra goal-hanging attacker creates one less defender down the other end.
Thoughts...?
boomer
13th May 2007, 20:07
My thoughts..... hockeys for gurls
sels1
13th May 2007, 20:44
If you ask a group of ardent soccer fans, it always seems to start an argument.....:dodge:
I see....the Highlanders had a crap season so you start a diversion....
That's exactly why I asked. I've just come back from my daughter's game, ....
aha....so it is a girls game.....:dodge: :D
Manxman
13th May 2007, 20:59
My thoughts..... hockeys for gurls
is[/I] a girls game.....:dodge: :D
...so is football - evidently...hehehe
Rugby on the other hand....is for raging homos :yes:
boomer
13th May 2007, 21:38
....Rugby on the other hand....is for raging homos :yes:
Roger that mauve leader
Virago
13th May 2007, 21:58
Nice to see someone who knows the proper useage of the word "football" (or Association Football), unlike most pointy-ball fans.
"Hey dad, have you seen my Association Football shirt?"
"Yes, it's in the the laundry, with your Association Football boots. Do you have Association Football practice today?"
Er, no thanks. I know it will upset the pedantic purists, but I'll stick to soccer.:dodge:
Virago
13th May 2007, 22:04
Thanks for all the feedback guys.
Before, I was a little doubtful about the off-side rules.
Now I'm thoroughly......
.......confused.:confused::niceone:
Manxman
13th May 2007, 22:15
Roger that mauve leader
er, right oh then. My final word before being "off-topiced":
Spot the:
1) 'hard' soccer football players
2) 'hard' rugby players
3) hockey player...
warewolf
13th May 2007, 23:14
unsportsmanlike tacticsHardly, it's a strategy... play to the rules, ref & whistle.
It's not so hard on the linesmen. We used to play the off-side rule hard; it only took a couple of calls early in the game to wake up the linesmen. Part of the strategy is suckering in an attacker while the linesman is paying attention...
Playing it this way totally disarmed teams that substituted team-play or skills for champion-quality sprinters. Equally, our forwards knew how to play this game and how to break the defense. It's just another facet of the game.
jimjim, your son is obviously a slow learner... sorry to put it bluntly. Saying you would've won 5-2, apart from one rule you were forgetting, is nonsense!
The rule is not strictly forward of the ball, but rather the ball 'in play'. Doing things like overstepping the ball and flicking it over your head doesn't put you (or someone else) off-side.
Changing the rules to make it 'more exploitable'... eh, sorry, 'more exciting to watch' will not necessarily make it more exciting to play. We don't have to over-commercialise everything for the pleasure of the non-participants.
The rule is usually abandoned in small-format variants like seven-a-side and most indoor flavours... but they are totally different games due to the restricted playing field.
Manxman
13th May 2007, 23:24
Hardly, it's a strategy... play to the rules, ref & whistle.
Playing it this way totally disarmed teams that substituted team-play or skills for champion-quality sprinters. Equally, our forwards knew how to play this game and how to break the defense. It's just another facet of the game.
Fair point...
Hardly, it's a strategy... play to the rules, ref & whistle.
It's not so hard on the linesmen. We used to play the off-side rule hard; it only took a couple of calls early in the game to wake up the linesmen. Part of the strategy is suckering in an attacker while the linesman is paying attention...
Playing it this way totally disarmed teams that substituted team-play or skills for champion-quality sprinters. Equally, our forwards knew how to play this game and how to break the defense. It's just another facet of the game.
jimjim, your son is obviously a slow learner... sorry to put it bluntly. Saying you would've won 5-2, apart from one rule you were forgetting, is nonsense!
The rule is not strictly forward of the ball, but rather the ball 'in play'. Doing things like overstepping the ball and flicking it over your head doesn't put you (or someone else) off-side.
Changing the rules to make it 'more exploitable'... eh, sorry, 'more exciting to watch' will not necessarily make it more exciting to play. We don't have to over-commercialise everything for the pleasure of the non-participants.
The rule is usually abandoned in small-format variants like seven-a-side and most indoor flavours... but they are totally different games due to the restricted playing field.
i wouldnt say he was a slow learner but is a fast runner and was blown offside several times when he took the ball through the defenders from being onside and was 1 on 1 with their goalie...the ref was "their" ref as well
My thoughts..... hockeys for gurls
ever watched a mens hockey game, i doubt you or any rugby noneck could keep up
Clockwork
14th May 2007, 07:12
he was also called offside on a throw in
That Ref's an arse.... you can't be offside if you receive the ball directly from a throw in....... nor can you be offside if you are behind the ball..... as in, the ball is closer to the goal line than the player in possession (as is usually the case after the attacker beaten the last defender.)
i wouldnt say he was a slow learner but is a fast runner and was blown offside several times when he took the ball through the defenders from being onside and was 1 on 1 with their goalie...the ref was "their" ref as well
:blink: Offside when he was the one with the ball and he dribbled it past the defenders? :oi-grr: If thats what you meant then the ref was definitely not right.
ManDownUnder
14th May 2007, 10:32
...just the thread I was looking for...
Me... 1st time coach for under 8's. What video/resources are available?
PuppetMaster
14th May 2007, 11:48
Its not soccer its "football"
PuppetMaster
14th May 2007, 11:56
...just the thread I was looking for...
Me... 1st time coach for under 8's. What video/resources are available?
At that age, you could fake it, like Cowpoos missus.
Make them run, passing, ball skills etc. Probably the most important thing at that age is, make it fun.
MisterD
14th May 2007, 15:30
Make them run, passing, ball skills etc. Probably the most important thing at that age is, make it fun.
You can do all the skills and passing work in the world at that age and when it comes to match time you'll still get a mob of 20 players chasing the ball around the pitch...
You can do all the skills and passing work in the world at that age and when it comes to match time you'll still get a mob of 20 players chasing the ball around the pitch...
Aint that the truth, watched my little bro play on saturday and it was exactly like that - with a lonely goalie at each end daydreaming.
Bloody hilarious.
scracha
19th May 2007, 12:13
Aint that the truth, watched my little bro play on saturday and it was exactly like that - with a lonely goalie at each end daydreaming.
Bloody hilarious.
Most kiwi's I play with/ref forget their playing football and end up booting the ball up the wings and chasing it. Methinks they just can't get schoolboy rugby out of their system
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