Alleged mass murderer David Bain out on bail

[Scouse]

I note that alleged mass murderer David Bain has just been let out on bail people lock all your alleged doors and sleep with one eye allegedly open tonight folks

[Hitcher]

You silly person.

And technically, since he has had his conviction quashed, he is an "alleged murderer" until such time as his guilt or innocent is established by the Courts.

[Clockwork]

That would be the "alleged" mass murderer.

[Lias]

The stuff article (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4060534a10.html) mentions he will seek work as an engineer. Which will be a career change from being a highly paid male prostitute...

I was just discussing his release with Wolf, and the fact that he'll most likely be seeking compensation from the government. I've heard the figure (I think from Tony Ellis) of one million dollars per year of wrongful imprisonment. Assuming this figure is correct, and assuming that Bain was buttraped 3 times a night for his entire prison stay, he will be getting paid around $900 per assraping.

Wish I could earn that sorta money.. :-P

[Scouse]

You silly person.

And technically, since he has had his conviction quashed, he is an "alleged murderer" until such time as his guilt or innocent is established by the Courts.There you should be allegedly happy now

And until its been prooven by the courts I'll thank you to call me an alleged silly person

[onearmedbandit]

I for one am glad to see who I think is an innocent man freed.

[Hitcher]

Wish I could earn that sorta money...

Practice, allegedly, makes perfect.

[Scouse]

I for one am glad to see who I think is an innocent man freed.Hey it must work both ways so he is only allegedly inocent

[Hitcher]

Hey it must work both ways so he is only allegedly inocent

Under New Zealand's justice system, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Technically.

[Lias]

Practice, allegedly, makes perfect.

Unforunatly I'm not that way inclined, and having never spent time in the navy or at her majesty's pleasure I havnt had the chance to practice :gob:

[Dave Lobster]

Unforunatly I'm not that way inclined, and having never spent time in the navy or at her majesty's pleasure I havnt had the chance to practice :gob:

Have you thought about buying a Honda?

[SPman]

Under New Zealand's justice system, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Technically.
Unless you allegedly exceed the limit by 40+ kph!

[ManDownUnder]

Wish I could earn that sorta money.. :-P


LOL - you looking for someone to tell you to get fucked??? I didn't think it'd be that hard

[Lias]

Have you thought about buying a Honda?
Once.. then i woke up in a cold sweat screaming in terror.

[Maha]

I've heard the figure (I think from Tony Ellis) of one million dollars per year of wrongful imprisonment.

100k Per year was reported on tv the other night...they said he could get 1.3 million...but then Joe Karam will stick his hand out, hes a smart man and should have the fine print sorted....look here Dave 'bla bla bla' wonder if Bainy's paper round with ODT is still open for him?...

[doc]

Under New Zealand's justice system, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Technically.I thought that he is still guilty of the crime, 3 times convicted or something. The privy council, hasn't said he is innocent just that some of the evidence is shonky and I think they suggested a retrial. So normally if you are banged up waiting for a trial after killing 5 people you don't usually get bail. Once this is sorted out KB'r can sort out the Scott Watson affair. That one has to have some "serious miscarriage of justice" in it somewhere.

[Hitcher]

I thought that he is still guilty of the crime

The Privy Council quashed his conviction. That means he has the same status as somebody charged with an offence -- which is why he has been released on bail. The Crown is yet to decide whether or not there will be a retrial.

[Big Dan]

Well done to Karem for getting an innocent man where he is meant to be free

Good luck David on your retrail

And enough with the "allegelly" talk its lost its funny status

[doc]

The Privy Council quashed his conviction. That means he has the same status as somebody charged with an offence -- which is why he has been released on bail. The Crown is yet to decide whether or not there will be a retrial.If it's been quashed, why all the legal crap just let him out, did they say that he was innocent or that the evidence is incorrect. Pay him out, move on.

[Scouse]

And enough with the "allegelly" talk its lost its funny statusWho allegedly pushed your button

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah Joe Karem is an amazing guy.

[Grahameeboy]

Compensation......giving him 1.3 million in one go seems a bit reckless.....surely he should just receive a yearly compensation based on what he was earning, future earnings etc and be given a house plus any jud icial compensation.

If innocent he is entitled to get a currency payback for lost years but he is exposed to the lottery fever and could just blow it or he could be exposed to leaches after his money.

[Scouse]

Compensation......giving him 1.3 million in one go seems a bit reckless.....surely he should just receive a yearly compensation based on what he was earning, future earnings etc and be given a house plus any jud icial compensation.

If innocent he is entitled to get a currency payback for lost years but he is exposed to the lottery fever and could just blow it or he could be exposed to leaches after his money.He could become your newest bestest mate

[Swoop]

The KB cops (not to be confused with the Keystone Cops) will be having kittens.

I know of one who will be sitting down to a nice meal of humble pie about now...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1055470&postcount=107

[MisterD]

If it's been quashed, why all the legal crap just let him out, did they say that he was innocent or that the evidence is incorrect. Pay him out, move on.

The privy council (http://www.privy-council.org.uk/files/other/Bain%20final.rtf)did not find any fault at all with the original trial and the verdict reached by the jury. The key issue is around new or additional evidence brought in by the defence at the appeal stage - the appeal court decided that it would not have affected the original juries decision, and it is this that the Privy Council has decided is wrong.



At any retrial it will be decided whether the appellant is guilty or not, and nothing in this judgment should influence the verdict in any way.

[Big Dan]

Who allegedly pushed your button

you really don't want to push my buttons so lets keep this on topic please

[Scouse]

Just seen Bain on the tele I tell ya anyone with ears that big has got to be guilty

[Scouse]

you really don't want to push my buttons so lets keep this on topic pleaseSorry my thread I can take it where I like

[Big Dan]

Just seen Bain on the tele I tell ya anyone with ears that big has got to be guilty

whats the size of the ears of a person got to do to wether or not someone is guilty of murder

Are you that narrow minded that you judge someone at face value i think thats pitafull this is a man that has been locked up for 13 years for what i believe is a crime he didn't do

how many ppl do you know that have big ears are they all gulity of murder?

[Big Dan]

you really don't want to push my buttons so lets keep this on topic please

i ask you people was this really worth someone giving you neg rep i believe this thread starter has let the power go to his head and i know i'm going to end up getting more neg rep posting this and if so i'm sorry dude your a loser

[mark247]

Compensation......giving him 1.3 million in one go seems a bit reckless.....surely he should just receive a yearly compensation based on what he was earning, future earnings etc and be given a house plus any jud icial compensation.

If innocent he is entitled to get a currency payback for lost years but he is exposed to the lottery fever and could just blow it or he could be exposed to leaches after his money.

The way i look it at is 13 years behind bars ( most of my life, im 18 ) is worth A LOT more than $13,000,000. Personally i think he is innocent and he deserves to go and have a good life with a bit of cash, he really does deserve compensation of some sort. But in saying that, i think all he will want to do and get back to the normal life with a job and do things normal people do. I dont people for their face value, but when i saw him on TV tonight he really didnt look like a murderer. I hope all goes well for him.

[candor]

They probably let him loose because the Stuff poll was 70/30 for it (I think).
Helen will have whispered in some snivelling Judges ear "I think we need a diversion from John Keys meteoric rise in popularity".

[candor]

when i saw him on TV tonight he really didnt look like a murderer. I hope all goes well for him.

None of the murderers I nursed in forensic wards looked like murderers, well only one (he now loiters in bishopdale park).

But how about he is 4/5th innocent, as in he only killed Robin who prolly needed it. I mean unless Robin had boneless arms like on the KFC tv ad then how did Robin get a rifle with silencer trained on the back of his own head, apparently with the wrong hand (per the angle wasn't it?). Did his neck stretch forward a metre from some ostrich gene?

I think that even Kaeam is not silly enough to assert there is not room for doubt re his innocence. He has even publicly said he is taking him on faith to his word. And hes not claiming some all knowing power. He's not 100% which shows he's no fool.

[Forest]

None of the murderers I nursed in forensic wards looked like murderers, well only one (he now loiters in bishopdale park).

But how about he is 4/5th innocent, as in he only killed Robin who prolly needed it. I mean unless Robin had boneless arms like on the KFC tv ad then how did Robin get a rifle with silencer trained on the back of his own head, apparently with the wrong hand (per the angle wasn't it?). Did his neck stretch forward a metre from some ostrich gene?

I think that even Kaeam is not silly enough to assert there is not room for doubt re his innocence. He has even publicly said he is taking him on faith to his word. And hes not claiming some all knowing power. He's not 100% which shows he's no fool.

I wasn't aware of that. If Joe really believes this then I retract my comment about him being stupid.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I note that alleged mass murderer David Bain has just been let out on bail people lock all your alleged doors and sleep with one eye allegedly open tonight folks

Now lets all go out and do some alleged speeding to fund the crowns case and waste millions of dollars on a retrial.
The scery part is that half this site are to young to even know what we are talking about they where still or just out of nappys at the time.

[Dooly]

I thought Bain may have mentioned his dead family in all the talk last night on telly. The loss, memory etc etc.

But then again after 13 yrs maybe he's over it.

Or maybe as usual we did'nt see all of what he said due to editting, time restraints etc.

[spudchucka]

The KB cops (not to be confused with the Keystone Cops) will be having kittens.

I know of one who will be sitting down to a nice meal of humble pie about now...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1055470&postcount=107

Not at all. I wasn't predicting what would happen, simply expressing my opinion and my opinion remains the same, he should be remanded in custody.

And as for the suggestion of compensation, the Govt will never cough any $$$ unless he is completely pardoned, as was the case with Arthur Thomas. Even if he is retried and acquitted they won't cough up as he was rightly convicted in the original trial based on the evidence available at the time.

[MSTRS]

And as for the suggestion of compensation, the Govt will never cough any $$$ unless he is completely pardoned, as was the case with Arthur Thomas. Even if he is retried and acquitted they won't cough up as he was rightly convicted in the original trial based on the evidence available at the time.

Ummmm...fairer to say...."the evidence that they decided to use (or twist to fit the facts) at the time...."

[spudchucka]

Ummmm...fairer to say...."the evidence that they decided to use (or twist to fit the facts) at the time...."

Whatever your opinion might be the Govt has an out, they won't cough up unless there is a full pardon.

[MSTRS]

Whatever your opinion might be the Govt has an out, they won't cough up unless there is a full pardon.

All in good time :waiting: