Joe Karam

[peasea]

So, is Joe Karam a hero or is he someone who has gone on his own crusade? Was he really fighting for Mr Bain or trying to prove a point? In my own humble opinion I think he's a hero for the little guy and if, as he says, David is innocent, then they BOTH deserve quantillions in compensation.

If I were banged up for something I hadn't done then I'd be eternally grateful for a white knight like Karam.

Otherwise, Karam is the biggest sucker that ever walked our soil, but I don't think he's that stupid.

What say you?

[ManDownUnder]

I say he's a man that didn't give up the fight for a cause he believes in - even in the face of extreme adversity

QDOS to him for that.

[James Deuce]

Too bad if he's wrong. He saw an injustice and tried to deal to it. Precious few people around like that any more.

[chanceyy]

I say he's a man that didn't give up the fight for a cause he believes in - even in the face of extreme adversity

QDOS to him for that.

Ditto :yes:

[Paul in NZ]

He is an honourable man of character and I'm bloody proud to call him a son of New Zealand!

[BarBender]

I say he's a man that didn't give up the fight for a cause he believes in - even in the face of extreme adversity
QDOS to him for that.

+1
Most certainly a person of integrity regardless of Bains innocence/guilt.

[MSTRS]

Good on the man for standing up to a system that, regardless alternative truths, insists that it is infallible.

[Forest]

I admire him for his determination.

I pity him for his stupidity.

[peasea]

I admire him for his determination.

I pity him for his stupidity.

Ok, why is he stupid?
Coz he went broke fighting for what he thinks is right?

[Paul in NZ]

I admire him for his determination.

I pity him for his stupidity.

Stupid or not - if I was in trouble I'd hope to be so lucky as to have him in my corner...

[Pussy]

Yep, an honourable man who isn't afraid to fight for his beliefs... was very handy on the rugby paddock as well

[candor]

Yep, definately a goody, still I reckon he's carried away now in talking about setting up an organisation to fight for all the wrongly convicted.

Wouldn't it be best just to get our system sorted so that BS like this doesn't happen.

Easy - sack the Supreme court. Its only been put here to screw us and let the so trusty government pull all the strings.

I mean really it was set up to disempower Maori appeals to unbiased outside authorities - but the result has been that it can screw all Kiwis.

I don't trust us. We're not a grown up country and with only 4 mill we can't expect anything but shonky rumour mill trials. We need outside help.

Outside help - not a Karam industry. IUnder resourced prosecutors have it hard nuff to get convictions in genuine cases - prolly why evidence gets tampered.

[Colapop]

The epitome of an All Black. Not the sponsor driven (often Prima Donna) guys we see today but the hard edged uncompromising old school kind. A good dog - He could bite ya but he doesn't, he holds hard enough just to let ya know that he can and he won't let go...

[Forest]

Stupid or not - if I was in trouble I'd hope to be so lucky as to have him in my corner...

Absolutely - I think we would all want him in our corner.

[pritch]

Replacing the Privy Council with a Supreme Court never appealed to me, this country is too small.

I believe some members of that Appeals Court that the Privy Council took to task are now on the Supreme Court. What chance a similar finding from our home grown old boys club? Not much...

[Patrick]

was very handy on the rugby paddock as well

NOT!!! Crap fullback who couldn't tackle for shit... wasn't called fancypants for nothing...

[peasea]

I believe some members of that Appeals Court that the Privy Council took to task are now on the Supreme Court. What chance a similar finding from our home grown old boys club? Not much...

If you're right about those members moving up (and I don't doubt you) we're right up the old creek. Our justice system appears to be in need of a size large cleanup as it is, I don't fancy the thought of it getting worse. That appeals court got so much so wrong and at whose expense? The lawyers, scoundrels, bounders and blaggards in the main, are laughing all the way to the bank with our money! There's more than one "substantial" miscarriage of justice here.......

Does anybody else smell 'rat'?

[Dooly]

Kudos to him and his perserverance.
A good deed done.
I hope if Bain gets a good payout he helps Karam out.

Would'nt Joe spew tho if for some reason Bain died early and on his death bed confessed to the crimes!:shit:

[Skyryder]

Kudos to him and his perserverance.
A good deed done.
I hope if Bain gets a good payout he helps Karam out.

Would'nt Joe spew tho if for some reason Bain died early and on his death bed confessed to the crimes!:shit:



Karam has Bain's story rights. He won't need Bain's help.


Skyryder

[Dooly]

Karam has Bain's story rights. He won't need Bain's help.


Skyryder

Ahh, and quite the best seller too I imagine, when the time is right.
Just before Xmas/M/F days etc.

[Hitcher]

Oh good grief! This isn't/shouldn't be about Joe Karam. The Privy Council, when presented with a submission about the Bain trial, decided that there was sufficient doubt about the way evidence was presented (or not) in that case to warrant the quashing of David Bain's conviction.

The reason that this ended up in front of the Privy Council is because the Court of Appeal process in New Zealand was resolute in upholding the conviction, despite the case made by Mr Karam and others.

What is the crime in championing a case where you believe there to be a significant miscarriage of justice? Surely people like Joe Karam should be celebrated for their efforts? He certainly didn't do it for the money, as it is extremely unlikely that David Bain will ever receive a formal pardon -- the only mechanism that would allow him to seek compensation for wrongful conviction.

[Macktheknife]

I say he's a man that didn't give up the fight for a cause he believes in - even in the face of extreme adversity

QDOS to him for that.

Couldn't agree with you more mate.

[Skyryder]

What is the crime in championing a case where you believe there to be a significant miscarriage of justice? Surely people like Joe Karam should be celebrated for their efforts? He certainly didn't do it for the money, as it is extremely unlikely that David Bain will ever receive a formal pardon -- the only mechanism that would allow him to seek compensation for wrongful conviction.

And that is why there will be no retrial. A not guilty verdict would allow for compensation proceedings.

It will be interesting to see what the Crown Law Office recommends in light of the strong opposition to bail.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Ahh, and quite the best seller too I imagine, when the time is right.
Just before Xmas/M/F days etc.

It's the movie rights that will make the money.

Skyyrder

[MSTRS]

.... as it is extremely unlikely that David Bain will ever receive a formal pardon .....

Just as it was 'extremely unlikely he would get bail' ???

[peasea]

Oh good grief! This isn't/shouldn't be about Joe Karam. The Privy Council, when presented with a submission about the Bain trial............


So start a Privy Council thread..........I was just curious to see what people thought of Karam. The privy council is another issue.

[Hitcher]

Just as it was 'extremely unlikely he would get bail' ???

Ha ha! Somebody with a memory. Must have been a "soft" judge...