Police admit their complete incompetence

[sAsLEX]

Police in Auckland have warned people that a certain street is not safe to venture through as there is a gang problem there, in a housing New Zealand house as well, and the shits have been through the courts.......... and now rather than quash the crime people are just being told not to go there?

http://stuff.co.nz/4061703a11.html

[jetboy]

Bullshit really.

I have a story: A mate of my old man's had his truck stolen (one of those little doublecab minitruck things) and reported it to the cops.
A week or two later he is driving down a local road and voila! there is his truck, on the side of the road. He promptly calls the police and advises them of the situation. 10 mins later the police turn up and after taking a quick look around, they say that they cant get the truck back because it is outside a Mongrel Mob residence and they have a restraining order against them!

Thats my 5c worth.

[NighthawkNZ]

Bullshit really.

I have a story: A mate of my old man's had his truck stolen (one of those little doublecab minitruck things) and reported it to the cops.
A week or two later he is driving down a local road and voila! there is his truck, on the side of the road. He promptly calls the police and advises them of the situation. 10 mins later the police turn up and after taking a quick look around, they say that they cant get the truck back because it is outside a Mongrel Mob residence and they have a restraining order against them!

Thats my 5c worth.

:scratch: really...

[jetboy]

:scratch: really...
yeah thats how the story goes. I wasnt there to witness this, but it came from a credible source (not one out of a womans day article).

Sharing is caring - so I shared :)

[Paul in NZ]

Police in Auckland have warned people that a certain street is not safe to venture through as there is a gang problem there, in a housing New Zealand house as well, and the shits have been through the courts.......... and now rather than quash the crime people are just being told not to go there?

http://stuff.co.nz/4061703a11.html

Um - how can you possibly blame the Police for doing a bad job in raising these little pricks? How is it the Polices fault that they bring them before the court and they get put back on the street. How is it the fault of the Police that housing NZ gives the shitheads a gang house when families can't get one?

There is a lot of bad shit going on here but its not police incompetence.

[avgas]

Ha classic, i used to boot it down that road every morning when going to work at m10.
Every muppet gets off the road when your doing 130 (dont worry i learnt my lesson - friend got pinged on that street doing 70). Didnt really think its was a gang road though - there are scarier ones out in Kelston.

[u4ea]

when the f%#@&%k is the government gunna get behind the police and the judicial system and deal with these arseholes like they deal to little granny stealing hair removing cream ??(that was in court pages once hehe)

[u4ea]

How can Police have a trespass order against them for a Mob property?? I have never heard of his before. Unless they have taken trespass orders on individual officers?? Even then I find it hard to believe this can be done?

Wheres the cops.. good question I think


Im no copper but as I understand it individual cops can be tresspassed......

[more_fasterer]

10 mins later the police turn up and after taking a quick look around, they say that they cant get the truck back because it is outside a Mongrel Mob residence and they have a restraining order against them!

:shit: :shit: That is fucking ridiculous!!!

[The Pastor]

How can Police have a trespass order against them for a Mob property?? I have never heard of his before. Unless they have taken trespass orders on individual officers?? Even then I find it hard to believe this can be done?

Wheres the cops.. good question I think

I'll think you'll find that the cops were either too scared or too lazy. Invented some bullshit excuse.


OR

There was some big trail going on, and somehow they weren't allowed to interfere or they were watching them hoping they would lead them to someone else. etc.

[Toaster]

Um - how can you possibly blame the Police for doing a bad job in raising these little pricks? How is it the Polices fault that they bring them before the court and they get put back on the street. How is it the fault of the Police that housing NZ gives the shitheads a gang house when families can't get one?

There is a lot of bad shit going on here but its not police incompetence.

Agreed. The police were merely trying to warn people to take care - as they do in any situation requiring caution. It doesn't mean to say they are not doing anything about it at all.

[Toaster]

So does that mean for example, I can get every police individuals name in my area, and trespass them from my property? Leaving them open to arrest should they set foot on my drive? Well we know where to hide if you were to do a runner then eh? Thats why its seems implausable that Police can be trespassed.

No - it is not that simple - you'd have to be able to justify it.

They cannot be stopped when executing their lawful duty - which may involve a number of duties (EBA proceedures, pursuit, to arrest, execute warrants, Crimes Act powers etc etc etc).

Everyone has the lawful right to have access to your front door. But yes, you can ask them to leave under s3.3 of the Trespass Act 1980.

My suggestion - behave, be nice, live long.

[Grahameeboy]

Get real...in parts of America tourists are told to stay where there are people....St Pauls in Bristol was a no go area for Police years ago......the Romans knew where not to go...this has been going on for centuries and now we have Police it becomes their fault.

Surely, if there is a place where Gangs are why would you want to go there anyway so what the Police say makes sense. Not saying it is right but then is there an amusment park there or something that the gangs are stopping people getting to?

When we get really bad weather we are told to stay in doors if we can, not to drive due to bad road conditions......do we complain no because it makes sense so what the Police say makes sense, what is wrong.............or the difference?

Grrrrrrr.....another Police bashing thread..who said this site was getting boring?

[u4ea]

So does that mean for example, I can get every police individuals name in my area, and trespass them from my property? Leaving them open to arrest should they set foot on my drive? Well we know where to hide if you were to do a runner then eh? Thats why its seems implausable that Police can be trespassed.


beats me in this case Speedie but I have been told by a cop that his x girlfreind tresspassed him!!!!! So hey when dont I beleive a copper......arent they all just honest bastods?????

[peasea]

I'll think you'll find that the cops were either too scared or too lazy. Invented some bullshit excuse.


OR

There was some big trail going on, and somehow they weren't allowed to interfere or they were watching them hoping they would lead them to someone else. etc.

Option A: Cops too scared? I would be, but they have stab-proof vests don't they? (Well, not the officers that have been stabbed lately.) I don't think it'd be that, they can round up the numbers to squash these turds, I'm sure. Too lazy? Maybe, probably too busy dishing out 111kph tickets perhaps. I'd say the bullshit excuse is more like it because of.........

Option B: It's quite possible the police are up to something themselves, meaning they are well aware of the goings-on and are bulding a case for more serious charges. That doesn't help when you're a punter who's a vehicle short though.

At the end of the day, if there is an order against them the judge who signed it needs rooting. I say the cops should go in, all guns blazing, arrest the lot and cut their heads off. If this occurred regularly, as it did in France so many years ago, the problem might fade away...........

Whatever, we need a harder line on these suburban terrorists, they're scum, plain and simple. Lock em up, no TV, no underfloor heating, hard labour etc.

Just my 2c.

[R6_kid]

I've said it once, and i will say it again. Send in the Army - full tactical styles. Sort the fuckers out, do it once, do it right. If any gangsta really thinks they cant combat fully trained professional soldiers then we are all fucked to be honest.

[nallac]

I've said it once, and i will say it again. Send in the Army - full tactical styles. Sort the fuckers out, do it once, do it right. If any gangsta really thinks they cant combat fully trained professional soldiers then we are all fucked to be honest.

+1 on that
Go in all guns blazing

its time the goverment got rid of this pc crap and got tough on real crims
like us 111ks speedsters

[Grahameeboy]

+1 on that
Go in all guns blazing

its time the goverment got rid of this pc crap and got tough on real crims
like us 111ks speedsters

Bit like that gang shooting when a kid got accidentaly shot you mean......

[slowpoke]

Yep, classic case of shooting the messenger.
Gangs are a tricky issue the world over and the police are obviously limited in their ability to deal with the problem (through a variety of reasons), as are enforcement agencies all over the world.
They are just passing on some helpful information. Would you rather not know?

[sAsLEX]

Um - how can you possibly blame the Police for doing a bad job in raising these little pricks? How is it the Polices fault that they bring them before the court and they get put back on the street. How is it the fault of the Police that housing NZ gives the shitheads a gang house when families can't get one?

There is a lot of bad shit going on here but its not police incompetence.

Why should the public not be able to go along a public road?

The police are there to uphold the law not issue warnings on where the law is not being upheld.

I realise there is systemic failures in NZ society leading to shits like this being more common these days but thats not what the thread was about......

Maybe a few less HP and a few more general duties cops would help the situation?

[spudchucka]

How can Police have a trespass order against them for a Mob property?? I have never heard of his before. Unless they have taken trespass orders on individual officers?? Even then I find it hard to believe this can be done?

Wheres the cops.. good question I think

I'm aware of gangs trying this tactic against police, not sure of its effectiveness though. A trespass notice can't be issued to the entire NZ Police, (as far as I'm aware) and I doubt very much that any court would issue any sort of harrasment order in favour of a gang over the police.

Further more a trespass notice wouldn't prevent a cop from going onto a property to carry out a lawful duty, (like recovering a stolen car). Therefore I'd suggest that there is more to the story than what's been presented here.

My guess would that if the car was located on private property they would have needed to acquire a search warrant before they could legitimately enter the property.

[spudchucka]

when the f%#@&%k is the government gunna get behind the police and the judicial system and deal with these arseholes like they deal to little granny stealing hair removing cream ??(that was in court pages once hehe)

Shit.... there's a unique concept, blaming somebody other than the nations police for society's problems.

[spudchucka]

So does that mean for example, I can get every police individuals name in my area, and trespass them from my property? Leaving them open to arrest should they set foot on my drive? Well we know where to hide if you were to do a runner then eh? Thats why its seems implausable that Police can be trespassed.

Individual cops are no different to any individual, they can be issued trespass notices.

[sAsLEX]

Shit.... there's a unique concept, blaming somebody other than the nations police for society's problems.


I think the main problem is there is simply not enough cops out there...... thanks Helen!

Individual cops are no different to any individual, they can be issued trespass notices.

But can you ignore one in the line of your duties?

[spudchucka]

I think the main problem is there is simply not enough cops out there...... thanks Helen!


But can you ignore one in the line of your duties?

Yes, we need more cops but not having enough staff does not equal the complete incompetence of an entire organisation. Your headline is bullshit!

A trespass notice issued against an individual cop would not prevent them from entering the property in the lawful execution of their duty. However, it would make sense to assign the job to a cop that wasn't trespassed from that address, in order to simplify matters.

[sAsLEX]

Your headline is bullshit!

Aren't most? Sensationalist to drag in readers, with the truth hardly coming in to the equation......

[Winter]

Public beheadings.

I honestly think you'd only need a small number of these to send the message.

KB for gummerment! Lets stage a coup!

[Pixie]

Um - how can you possibly blame the Police for doing a bad job in raising these little pricks? How is it the Polices fault that they bring them before the court and they get put back on the street. How is it the fault of the Police that housing NZ gives the shitheads a gang house when families can't get one?

There is a lot of bad shit going on here but its not police incompetence.

The events you list are not the Polices fault.
However, the police bosses, turning around and saying it is too hard, is their fault.
They should be harrassing the gangs with every power they have.
When the courts set the bastards free, the cops should be waiting to bust them as they leave the court.They should have health inspectors to check their houses,council staff to check that they have permits for alterations to their residences,dog control officers etc.
I'm sure it won't be hard to find some criminal activity.
It should be extremely inconvenient to be in a gang.

[Grahameeboy]

The events you list are not the Polices fault.
However, the police, turning around and saying it is too hard is their fault.
They should be harrassing the gangs with every power they have.
When the courts set the bastards free, the cops should be waiting to bust them as they leave the court.They should have health inspectors to check their houses,council staff to check that they have permits for alterations to their residences,dog control officers etc.
I'm sure it won't be hard to find some criminal activity.
It should be extremely inconvenient to be in a gang.

Trubs is they may then go underground.

To be honest, it makes commonsense not to go anyway dodgy. You don't need the Police to tell us that but good on 'em for caring.

[PuppetMaster]

I think the main problem is there is simply not enough cops out there...... thanks Helen!


Prob to busy having to arrest parents for smacking their kids :)


Smacking was obviously not part of these little gang kiddies disipline regime, and look how they turned out!!!

[Patrick]

Police in Auckland have warned people that a certain street is not safe to venture through as there is a gang problem there, in a housing New Zealand house as well, and the shits have been through the courts.......... and now rather than quash the crime people are just being told not to go there?

http://stuff.co.nz/4061703a11.html

You're a Journalist!!!!!!!!!!:tugger:

Pick out the bit that makes the headline???????? Make another one for this thread just as wanky???

What about the bits that say Police patrol the streets daily, the shits have been to court. Wwhat does that tell you??? Courts aren't doing their part, perhaps????

But your "headline" is Police Incompetence...:shit:

[Smorg]

Bullshit really.

I have a story: A mate of my old man's had his truck stolen (one of those little doublecab minitruck things) and reported it to the cops.
A week or two later he is driving down a local road and voila! there is his truck, on the side of the road. He promptly calls the police and advises them of the situation. 10 mins later the police turn up and after taking a quick look around, they say that they cant get the truck back because it is outside a Mongrel Mob residence and they have a restraining order against them!

Thats my 5c worth.

He had the keys I assume.....why didnt he take it himself that would be the logical thing to do he should have known the cops werent going to do shit anyway.

[Patrick]

Morale is pretty low at the moment. After the spraying manipulation incident on TV3 the Police are paranoid, you dont have to do anything wrong these days because the media can make you look wrong.

To solve the gang problems :

1. More Cops
2. Tougher Sentances
3. Let us get on with our bloody job!

Heh heh... that TV3 thing... what ever came of that? That cop was toast, according to so many on here...:shutup: but i digress....

Otherwise, correct on all three... go to the top of the class D50! But, there will not be more cops, there will not be tougher sentences, but at least I will get on with my job regardless of what media wankers make of it.

Effective and usable legislation on gangs is all that is needed.

[avgas]

I've said it once, and i will say it again. Send in the Army - full tactical styles. Sort the fuckers out, do it once, do it right. If any gangsta really thinks they cant combat fully trained professional soldiers then we are all fucked to be honest.
You must mean the Armed offenders. apart from some LAV's (nice vehicles those), recon squads and SAS, our army isnt what it used to be.
Its all grads now.

[peasea]

[QUOTE=Patrick;1058848]You're a Journalist!!!!!!!!!!:tugger:

QUOTE]


You missed out a word there; I'm a journalist and don't want to be tarred with the same brush, you should have said "gutter journalist" and so many mainstream (so called) journo's are. They race around looking for the big 'headline' and do little in the way of research.

My earlier post pointed to the possibility of the police having an agenda that might (just might) include bigger things. But hey, like other comments here, even IF the police work their butts off and get the WANKERS concerned into a court room....where's the justice?

The money spent, the damage done, the resources....it never adds up coz the judges are SOFTCOCKS!

[Timber020]

My sister was in Thailand recently. The army decided to have a big bust on drug dealers after some shit went down. So they did there intel, got names and addresses. Went to said addresses, got the people to prove who they were with photo ID and shot them.

Big holes in that particular system but zero reoffending.

[jafar]

My sister was in Thailand recently. The army decided to have a big bust on drug dealers after some shit went down. So they did there intel, got names and addresses. Went to said addresses, got the people to prove who they were with photo ID and shot them.

Big holes in that particular system but zero reoffending.

you have missed a very important point, the cost effectiveness of a bullet is much better than prison.:shit:

[Dave Lobster]

My sister was in Thailand recently. The army decided to have a big bust on drug dealers after some shit went down. So they did there intel, got names and addresses. Went to said addresses, got the people to prove who they were with photo ID and shot them.

Big holes in that particular system but zero reoffending.

Sounds like a great system for drug dealers, burglars, rapists, muggers, benefit cheats, gang members, lying politicians, etc.
But with the Police's blinkered attitude here towards speeding... you know what would happen.

[Dave Lobster]

journo's

Journos, surely?

Lots of clues here (http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/g_apost.html)

[Patrick]

Video footage was edited - cop was cleared. TV3 had a complaint sustained against them but guess what they decided that because they werent told they had to air the ruling they didnt.

You could tell at the time it was poorly edited... good result, but the bad publicity did do damage, and for what?

Doesn't surprise me TV3 didn't want to rectify their action by apologising, :tugger:

[Patrick]

[QUOTE=peasea;1059504
You missed out a word there; I'm a journalist and don't want to be tarred with the same brush, you should have said "gutter journalist"

My earlier post pointed to the possibility of the police having an agenda that might (just might) include bigger things. But hey, like other comments here, even IF the police work their butts off and get the WANKERS concerned into a court room....where's the justice?

The money spent, the damage done, the resources....it never adds up coz the judges are SOFTCOCKS![/QUOTE]

I stand corrected... there are great journos out there... just a rare breed perhaps?

Correct on all points for the rest Peasea.

[Patrick]

Sounds like a great system for drug dealers, burglars, rapists, muggers, benefit cheats, gang members, lying politicians, etc.
But with the Police's blinkered attitude here towards speeding... you know what would happen.

People would stop speeding????:gob:

[Dave Lobster]

People would stop speeding????:gob:

government logic at its finest..

[Patrick]

government logic at its finest..

But if people stopped speeding, there would be a 89.7% drop in threads on KB... :innocent: NOT GOOD!!!!:shutup:

[more_fasterer]

People would stop speeding????:gob:
And there would be an associated 100% decrease in accidents... Tui!

[Swoop]

And there would be an associated 100% decrease in accidents... Tui!

There would be an 89.7% decrease in gubbinment revenue...:innocent:NOT GOOD!!!!:shutup:


Luckily there will be other ways to reach those targets (who said "quota"?)...

[peasea]

There would be an 89.7% decrease in gubbinment revenue...:innocent:NOT GOOD!!!!:shutup:


Luckily there will be other ways to reach those targets (who said "quota"?)...


Great pics mate, positive policing at its best.