07 yamaha r1 wins master bike shootout [Archive]

"D" FZ1

23rd May 2007, 09:27

Just read in the latest AUTRALIAN MOTORCYCLE NEWS that after a three day test at the Jerez Moto GP circuit in Spain, the all new 2007 YAMAHA YZF-R1 has come through as the No 1 Japanese sports bike. Tested by 18 riders from 13 countries including riders like, Randy Mamola, Stephane Chambon and Alex Gobert. It was up against the ZX10R, CBR1000RR, GSX-R1000 & the GSX-R750. Awesome to see Haga get a double win on the R1 as well.

sAsLEX

23rd May 2007, 09:31

Well the MV won masterbike, the R1 did win the japanese section as you alluded to in the text....

SPman

23rd May 2007, 13:31

Interesting all the comparo's. Superbike and Rapidbikes put the K7 GSXR top of the pile, Motorcycle online snuck the CBR1000 to the top of the pile. The R1 takes it in another comparo. The only one I haven't seen declared winner yet, is the ZX10R............The R1 is more track oriented, the K7 takes it on the road

Pwalo

23rd May 2007, 15:06

So...

Look the reality is that most of us wouldn't be able to ride any of these bikes near enough to their limits to appreciate any difference in performance.

Pick the bike/brand that you like and it's good enough to be the best in any test.

MVnut

23rd May 2007, 18:51

so the R1 took the Jap section, as if I care

BigG

23rd May 2007, 19:03

so the R1 took the Jap section, as if I care
BooHoo I'd luv an MV but the R1 is more affordable:yes:

uksteve

24th May 2007, 19:09

I think you'll find that the gsxr- 1000 is and will always be the ultimate sports bike. End of thread hahaha!!!!

Mr. Peanut

24th May 2007, 19:12

Wouldnt it be great if we could have a litre bike without all the new technology? I wouldn't want to be looking after it in ten years.

Buddy L

24th May 2007, 19:23

Look the reality is that most of us wouldn't be able to ride any of these bikes near enough to their limits to appreciate any difference in performance.

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Thats the point, its all about bragging rights. ( but i can't brag at all:slap: )

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 19:27

24th May 2007, 19:53

I'm guessing the gap between the 1000s will be as close as ever anyway. So it's all back to personal taste.
I think the real praise goes to the Daytona 675 winning two years in a row, with no changes from last year. Ok the Masterbike tests aren't here yet so I'm only assuming that the 07 600s were all in the pot, but couldn't better the 675 with there latest and greatest techology. Mind you 75cc is just cheating a bit too much to call it a fair comparo. 36cc, now that' was cheating under the radar.
Wait for the 800cc roadbikes to turn up in a year ...or three. Then we will have something to dribble over.

Mr. Peanut

24th May 2007, 20:06

Wait for the 800cc roadbikes to turn up in a year ...or three. Then we will have something to dribble over.

More revs, less grip, less torque and engines that last half as long?

Joy.

*Edit*

Just realized what I ride...:eek:

sAsLEX

24th May 2007, 23:48

xwhatsit

25th May 2007, 01:28

I'm guessing the gap between the 1000s will be as close as ever anyway. So it's all back to personal taste.
I think the real praise goes to the Daytona 675 winning two years in a row, with no changes from last year. Ok the Masterbike tests aren't here yet so I'm only assuming that the 07 600s were all in the pot, but couldn't better the 675 with there latest and greatest techology. Mind you 75cc is just cheating a bit too much to call it a fair comparo. 36cc, now that' was cheating under the radar.

It's missing a cylinder. That's why it's 675cc; it fits in the racing classes (4 cylinder 600cc, 3 cylinder 675cc, is there something for 2 cylinder as well?) somewhere in the world.

RantyDave

25th May 2007, 04:54

It's missing a cylinder. That's why it's 675cc; it fits in the racing classes (4 cylinder 600cc, 3 cylinder 675cc, is there something for 2 cylinder as well?)
750cc - hence the 675, being halfway between a 600cc four and a 750cc twin (Ducati 749).

More interesting has been the debate that has been created by both the 675 and the current superbike series. The theory is that since a four can spin faster it's "fair" that they should be smaller. However, the superbike series has shown Ducati's holding only slightly fewer RPM than their four cylinder bretheren, giving rise to a debate about whether or not they should be allowed larger displacement at all. I think a similar argument can be applied to the 675 which might not have the stratospheric rev limit of (say) an R6, but has no problem spinning up, either.

Dave

sAsLEX

25th May 2007, 05:09

750cc - hence the 675, being halfway between a 600cc four and a 750cc twin (Ducati 749).

More interesting has been the debate that has been created by both the 675 and the current superbike series. The theory is that since a four can spin faster it's "fair" that they should be smaller. However, the superbike series has shown Ducati's holding only slightly fewer RPM than their four cylinder bretheren, giving rise to a debate about whether or not they should be allowed larger displacement at all. I think a similar argument can be applied to the 675 which might not have the stratospheric rev limit of (say) an R6, but has no problem spinning up, either.

Dave

See my earlier post, they is no way the "675" style triple could spin quicker as its at the top end of piston speed as it is due to its squareness........

NZsarge

25th May 2007, 10:24

so the R1 took the Jap section, as if I care

I don't care how good an MV is they are'nt worth the asking price.

"D" FZ1

25th May 2007, 15:01

so the R1 took the Jap section, as if I care

Hows ya MV's doing in World Superbikes ????? :yes:

imdying

25th May 2007, 16:24

Why? You started selling WSB spec R1s?

BarBender

25th May 2007, 21:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW5BId-DII4&mode=related&search=

nzkalt61

26th May 2007, 15:22

Just read Fast Bikes april compero and they put the GSXR 1000 K5 1st, Ducaty 1098s close 2nd and the R1 07 3rd!! Good read, you should get it.

MVnut

26th May 2007, 16:32

Holy Crap Batman, I didn't upset enough people........must try harder next time. But honestly guys, when MV wins, I don't really care what comes last ...I mean second. MV Agusta forever.:rockon:

nzkalt61

27th May 2007, 08:17

Done quite a bit of rideing,never been overtaken by an MV Auguster!

NZsarge

27th May 2007, 08:25

Just read Fast Bikes april compero and they put the GSXR 1000 K5 1st, Ducaty 1098s close 2nd and the R1 07 3rd!! Good read, you should get it.

Yeah....read that....don't forget they are English!:dodge:

SimJen

27th May 2007, 08:38

Hows ya MV's doing in World Superbikes ????? :yes:

Well Carl Fogerty will be running the first official MV team in World Superbikes for many years in the 2008 Season.
Wether he can get them winning will be interesting, but sounds like a fair bit of money will be involved.
Masterbike is bullshit.
Seems every decent bike mag has a different winner. Last time I looked, the GSX-R 1K K7 was best, as was the R1 07, as was the CBR1000RR 07......if you read more than one magazine you'd notice!
People pick the bikes on personal choices, not if they happen to win a comparo.

Yeah....read that....don't forget they are English!:dodge:
WTF's that got to do with anything.
English mags kick the ass of anything downunder. They get the bikes before us and test the shit out of them. Not all mags are the same though, Fastbikes is pretty inferior with rubbish journalism and some of the most skewed tests ever.
At least the poms actually get the bikes to test with seemingly no ulterior motive via the manufacturers.
When did you see a holden or a ford take a beating in a struggling australasian magazine.........

NZsarge

27th May 2007, 08:55

Well Carl Fogerty will be running the first official MV team in World Superbikes for many years in the 2008 Season.
Wether he can get them winning will be interesting, but sounds like a fair bit of money will be involved.
Masterbike is bullshit.
Seems every decent bike mag has a different winner. Last time I looked, the GSX-R 1K K7 was best, as was the R1 07, as was the CBR1000RR 07......if you read more than one magazine you'd notice!
People pick the bikes on personal choices, not if they happen to win a comparo.

WTF's that got to do with anything.
English mags kick the ass of anything downunder. They get the bikes before us and test the shit out of them. Not all mags are the same though, Fastbikes is pretty inferior with rubbish journalism and some of the most skewed tests ever.
At least the poms actually get the bikes to test with seemingly no ulterior motive via the manufacturers.
When did you see a holden or a ford take a beating in a struggling australasian magazine.........
:gob: Easy easy! take a chill pill dude, I was jokin'.

SimJen

27th May 2007, 16:36

I know it was a joke, but I was just clarifying a few things ;)

uksteve

28th May 2007, 19:31

Go SimJen, we all know there is only on winning sports bike, you ride one and so do I. Winning bike three years in a row.

SimJen

28th May 2007, 20:13

Yeah mate :)
I prefer the looks of the R1 though, but the Suzuki will always be more of the hooligan.......which is why I wanted it.

NZsarge

29th May 2007, 10:13

I know it was a joke, but I was just clarifying a few things ;)

OK, while you're clarifying a few thing i'd be interested in how you reach the conclusion that Masterbike is "bullshit"? It seemed to me that it has to be one of the best ways of doing a bike test ie: varying skill levels, different nations and all ages etc...

RantyDave

29th May 2007, 10:18

I don't care how good an MV is they are'nt worth the asking price.
There are some people out there for whom price is not an issue. After all, even with their ridiculous price tag an MV still costs markedly less than a go faster holden.

NZsarge

29th May 2007, 10:27

There are some people out there for whom price is not an issue. After all, even with their ridiculous price tag an MV still costs markedly less than a go faster holden.
This is true but you know camparing apples with apples here, there are a lot of bikes out there 9/10th's as good for half the price and can be made feakin awesome if you wanted to spend the same money as you wpould on a MV. I don't dislike MV's but I just don't think that there ANY standard roadbike out there "actually" worth that kind of money for the sake of riding it (investments aside mind).

SimJen

29th May 2007, 12:24

OK, while you're clarifying a few thing i'd be interested in how you reach the conclusion that Masterbike is "bullshit"? It seemed to me that it has to be one of the best ways of doing a bike test ie: varying skill levels, different nations and all ages etc...

Most tests are Bullshit as they fail to cover all aspects.
Track only tests are pointless as well as road only tests. A few mags do tests with various skill levels (up to top level racers) and take into account road and track. This often gives a decent review, but still brand loyalties can come into it as well as many other factors.
And no matter what or how they test the bike, the bike just may not suit YOU!
A review is just an opinion and shouldn't be taken as fact, as can be evidenced by all the differing opinions (reviews) that appear in the motorcycle mags.
A spread of good reviews for a certain bike will obviously indicate that its a good one, but not necessarily any better than the rest.
Thats all. :whocares:
WaiYam was really only using this thread as an advert for their new R1 !!! :nono:

30th May 2007, 13:54

Most tests are Bullshit as they fail to cover all aspects.
Track only tests are pointless as well as road only tests. A few mags do tests with various skill levels (up to top level racers) and take into account road and track. This often gives a decent review, but still brand loyalties can come into it as well as many other factors.
And no matter what or how they test the bike, the bike just may not suit YOU!

Agreed some testers on their own can skew a review from personal opinion and how they feel on a certain bike.
But I think you have missed the point of MasterBike (MB). All the previous MB reports I've read made it clear it was purely a test of which bike gets around a track the fastest. Everything else is irrelevant to MB such as road manners, road performance, comfort, economy, luggage, supposedly price etc.. just which one is the fastest on a track. Although they do have a small percentage score for riders preference, which should be dumped from the scoring system and kept as a sidebar comment. With that single objective MB is a valid test with factual results not opinions. The dataloggers are hard facts. If you wanted to buy a track only bike then it's probably the best info available. 16 Riders on each bike on the same tyres at the same track at the same time. How can you get any fairer than that?
I'm just jealous because I would love to take part in MB. Imagine being told to let loose on a dozen of the latest and greatest sportsbikes for a few days!

imdying

30th May 2007, 14:57

I'm slow and I ride like shit, so I don't actually care which bike is the best. What I want to know is which ones are crap, or have blatant deficiencies. I don't want to be steered onto the 'best' bike, but I do want to be steered away from 'crap' ones. Given that they seem to all produce good bikes now, there's not much value there for me. Things like 'the ZX10R is an animal' and 'even your mum could ride CBR1000 fast' is good for someone like me though. That the xxxx tips in a little too slow, yeah, like I'll ever notice :lol:

30th May 2007, 18:39

..... That the xxxx tips in a little too slow, yeah, like I'll ever notice :lol:
Drink enough XXXX :beer: and you will notice that you are tipping in a bit :dodge:

SimJen

30th May 2007, 19:37

Agreed some testers on their own can skew a review from personal opinion and how they feel on a certain bike.
But I think you have missed the point of MasterBike (MB). All the previous MB reports I've read made it clear it was purely a test of which bike gets around a track the fastest. Everything else is irrelevant to MB such as road manners, road performance, comfort, economy, luggage, supposedly price etc.. just which one is the fastest on a track. Although they do have a small percentage score for riders preference, which should be dumped from the scoring system and kept as a sidebar comment. With that single objective MB is a valid test with factual results not opinions. The dataloggers are hard facts. If you wanted to buy a track only bike then it's probably the best info available. 16 Riders on each bike on the same tyres at the same track at the same time. How can you get any fairer than that?
I'm just jealous because I would love to take part in MB. Imagine being told to let loose on a dozen of the latest and greatest sportsbikes for a few days!

Its still completely flawed though!
One circuit, one type of tyre, lots of different bikes.
We all know from watching Motogp or Superbikes that certain tracks/surfaces/conditions suit certain bikes better than others.
So Masterbike has proven that at a specific track on one type of tyre (not necessarily suited to all bikes), in certain conditions, that the R1 is fastest. How absolutely useful to us down in NZ or anywhere other than the place concerned!
So if I want to make sure my bike is the quickest I have to move to Spain or wherever and buy a R1 with "Pirelinstone" tyres, and make sure all my mates have the same setup so I can beat them :Punk:

:scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

30th May 2007, 23:44

Agreed again - which really goes against the grain.
But in the end I like reading about bikes and I find tests comparing bikes together makes enjoyable reading. What's the alternative? Pick up a magazine that says; in this issue we would have tested this or that, but instead we offer your 55 blank pages to avoid printing something that readers might question 'was it a fair review under all circumstances' So, our ZX10 test is withheld from print. On the next page you could have read about the latest from Ducati, but again we decided best not print our findings in case a reader disagreed.
What a relief I got to say disagreed.
What I'm trying to say in a cynical manner is something is better than nothing and we all know to take a testers opinion as just that, one man's impression only.

Cr1MiNaL

31st May 2007, 00:04

I think you'll find that the gsxr- 1000 is and will always be the ultimate sports bike. End of thread hahaha!!!!

I beg to differ.. Yamaha rules Id weave circles rnd a gsxr wid ma 6 let alone a 1 ;)

cowpoos

31st May 2007, 00:10

I beg to differ.. Yamaha rules Id weave circles rnd a gsxr wid ma 6 let alone a 1 ;)
enter the next round of the vic series racing...show all those gixxers at the front and that lil bugger on the kawa what your R6 is made of ;)

Cr1MiNaL

31st May 2007, 00:12

Nah Im still getin used to the bike... im sure they r faster or whatever but no six looks as pretty ;)

cowpoos

31st May 2007, 00:16

Nah Im still getin used to the bike... im sure they r faster or whatever but no six looks as pretty ;)
yeah...they look pretty...thats why chicks love them and own them!!

Cr1MiNaL

31st May 2007, 00:20

chicks?! lol Ive neva seen a chk on an R6 let alone the new ones. But its ok if ur feeling complexed I understand where ur comin 4m. :P its okay!!

NZsarge

31st May 2007, 08:19

Its still completely flawed though!
One circuit, one type of tyre, lots of different bikes.
We all know from watching Motogp or Superbikes that certain tracks/surfaces/conditions suit certain bikes better than others.
So Masterbike has proven that at a specific track on one type of tyre (not necessarily suited to all bikes), in certain conditions, that the R1 is fastest. How absolutely useful to us down in NZ or anywhere other than the place concerned!
So if I want to make sure my bike is the quickest I have to move to Spain or wherever and buy a R1 with "Pirelinstone" tyres, and make sure all my mates have the same setup so I can beat them :Punk:

:scooter: :scooter: :scooter:

Bottom line is you'll take away from any "test" whatever you want. If you disagree with it you can say "that test is all shit!" If you dont disagree well you're happy. It's all about something to read about your favorite subject, as MD said it beats readin' a book with 50 pages of nothin'. I like the R1 so I reckon Masterbike got it right!:p :nya: :whocares: :D