Supercharger, Turbo or don't be silly [Archive]

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 08:52

I've won lotto...
The 10r is getting a further tickle up, ohlins and:

Option 1:
Supercharger from Calisuperbikes.
http://calisuperbikes.com/

Option 2:
Muzzy stage one turbo kit.
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX10/ZX10_Turbo/index.html

Option 3:
Dont be so silly.

Toaster

24th May 2007, 08:59

mmmmm supercharged.... (drool)

Blackbird

24th May 2007, 09:03

Supercharger - less stress on the motor between roll-on and roll-off. My drag bike was surprisingly reliable with a vane supercharger, even under high boost.

Cajun

24th May 2007, 09:06

Mr Merde

24th May 2007, 09:09

Supercharged would be so different.

If you got the cash go for it.

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 09:13

sAsLEX

24th May 2007, 09:13

Carbon or ultra lite magnesium wheels.

and
Moto-Dynamix for performance suspension. Call Shaun Harris 027 255 9143

For a custom suspension fiddle and track day tuition.

tri boy

24th May 2007, 09:17

Supercharge it. Go on, you know you want to.:headbang:

cowboy

24th May 2007, 09:20

SUPERCHARGER!!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Hitcher

24th May 2007, 09:22

Leave it alone. It will already get from 0 to 100kmh in about 3 seconds flat. Will you really notice the extra quarter of a second a booster may provide, providing the rest of the bike can translate that power into traction? If you want more affordable excitement, paint your balls with kerosene.

RantyDave

24th May 2007, 09:33

If you want more affordable excitement, paint your balls with kerosene.
Safer, too :)

Dave

Kickaha

24th May 2007, 09:33

Honestly as much as it be cool, do ya really need it, could understand if you plan on drag racing but if all your doing is street riding, and what not, wouldn't ya money be better spend on ohlins?

Well i would think

Leave it alone. It will already get from 0 to 100kmh in about 3 seconds flat. Will you really notice the extra quarter of a second a booster may provide, providing the rest of the bike can translate that power into traction? If you want more affordable excitement, paint your balls with kerosene.

You two don't seem to get the point of doing stuff like this, quite often it is not about more needing it, more power or having a better use for your money, sometimes it's just about doing it because "YOU CAN" and having something that's a bit different than anyone else

Supercharge the sucker I say :yes:

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 09:39

Definitely a super charger but how will that work with ya scoot being governed to 62mph? :dodge:

It will be, as Hitcher says, only slightly faster to 100k, if not slower....
i will only remove the limiter on closed private roads, of course.
all other times the 62mph limiter will be in place :yes: im sure it will work juuust fine

Mr Merde

24th May 2007, 09:39

Go on, push the boundaries.

If no one tried we would still be driving around with the person waving the red warning flag in front of us.

In the early days of locomotion ie 1790's, there was a popular belief that if one went faster than 30 mph or 50kph the human body would break down.

My 2 cents

Mr Merde

Big Dave

24th May 2007, 09:48

If it's a track or drag bike I'd love to see/hear it supercharged.
If it's a street bike I hope you live near a bus stop.

skelstar

24th May 2007, 09:53

Spend the money on other stuff. Radar, better leathers/gear, rep helmet, penis enlargement etc. :)

avgas

24th May 2007, 09:55

i couldn't find the option for both, so i just ticked supercharger.
turbos are great - but i shit myself when my bike hits the extra valve so a turbo would be tad unpredictable boost wise in my mind

Panther

24th May 2007, 10:06

What about a gloss black paint job, black leathers, black helmet, black michelins, black engine covers, black beard, black teeth.....

slowpoke

24th May 2007, 10:29

TURBO BRO!!!!! After building up my turbo mini and enduring endless "Why?" type questions I can tell you from experience that nothing beats the first decent run on full boost as the fucker spools up and you find yourself grinning like a complete idiot.
I worked with the guy who had the S and R Pro (Aussies, in any Rapid magazine) guys build up the GSX1400 turbo used in the K and N adds (in most Aussie bike magazines). I've seen the thing in the flesh (parked in my driveway!) and the workmanship was superb. He was rapt with there work and sent it back for an even hotter upgrade, couldn't speak highly enough of them.

Don't think about it, ignore the naysayers, DO IT!

The Stranger

24th May 2007, 10:34

Option 1 and 2 - Go for the land speed record.

TygerTung

24th May 2007, 10:35

Turbo it, superchargers are shit as you take a third the power of the engine just to drive the bloody thing

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 10:49

Spend the money on other stuff. Radar, better leathers/gear, rep helmet, penis enlargement etc. :)

radar, got one, not that i need it....
getting a nice new set of kangeroo skin leathers
new helmet coming, plain black
penis enlargement booked in, but there is only so much they can do with what i have / don't have ;)

2much

24th May 2007, 10:54

You two don't seem to get the point of doing stuff like this, quite often it is not about more needing it, more power or having a better use for your money, sometimes it's just about doing it because "YOU CAN" and having something that's a bit different than anyone else

Supercharge the sucker I say :yes:

Couldn't have said it better myself... some people will just never understand.

Supercharger would probably be my choice bro, looks like it's the better bang for buck, plus i expect it would retain better ridability with a smoother power delivery. And if it runs a toothed belt drive then it'll sound fucken horny!

Be aware that 'bolt-on kit' would usually make a good Tui ad aye!

Would also enquire bout how much boost they run, how much boost it's safe to run before fitting a thicker head gasket/intercooler. And availability of different sized pulleys.

Sniper

24th May 2007, 10:59

Supercharge it. It sounds better than turbocharge :p

Deviant Esq

24th May 2007, 11:45

More money than sense. I like your style ;)

Hidden option 4: Give generously to the Deviant Esq's Next Bike fund... :dodge:

p/t

I vote supermacharcher. More linear power than the turbo... with the turbo things will come in stepped rushes. Low in the rev range: no boost, off cam. Revs get higher, boost kicks in, kiwifruit falls of the back. Top 4000rpm: on cam, on boost, traction optional, kiwifruit long gone. :mellow:

Pics when you do it! We need more bike porn. :love:

N4CR

24th May 2007, 11:49

sc more usable down low (where turbo out of efficiency/usable range etc) but slightly less power and those kits cant be pullied any more from what i've seen meaning no boosting up with out buying another sc to up the boost with otherwise you run the risk of overloading the damn thing.

tc is pretty open ended, can be opened up a little more than normal boost once forged/worked engine etc is installed.
i have a spare engine and am looking into this myself, (either cammed or forced induction depending on money i can save) probably aiming for turbocharged. apparently it helps to swap out the ti valves on the 10s with stainless ones so they don't burn too bad :) so not completely 'bolt on'. also muzzy kit don't have a pc3 either???

also, can't beat rolling it on in 4th out of boost, hearing that thing hit start to hit boost ,spool up and then throw you back in the seat and onto one wheel :)

so yeah, i'll look forwards to seeing your results if you go ahead with it, i know i'll enjoy working on mine soon ^_^

Smokin

24th May 2007, 12:24

Turbo all the way mate. :yes:

Mr. Peanut

24th May 2007, 12:28

BwoooaaarRRR!!!! ChittitituuuuUuuuu!!!
Whhiiiineeee!!!!!!! KSSSS!!!

Option 2.

DingDong

24th May 2007, 12:37

I say Turbo, if your going to make an uncontrllable monster Alan killer do it properlly... you should out run those piggies too (not that you'd ever do something as wreakless as that)

Best advice... NOS... it cheaper and will fry your valves quicker:yes:

texmo

24th May 2007, 12:39

Fromt what White Trash said after riding the gixer thou with a turbo I would go with that

onearmedbandit

24th May 2007, 12:59

Supercharger, just because it's different. Kiwifruit as far as I know isn't aiming for a LSR, so the pro's and con's don't really matter so much. What does matter is coolness and bling, and for that the supercharger gets my option.

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 13:59

Im after linear power which is why im leaning towards the superchager. The turbo option would prolly give bigger gains, but im concerned about rideablity (sp).
Thanks for the input everyone :rockon:

Bass

24th May 2007, 14:13

Pro's and cons both ways.
A supercharger will use up to 40% of the EXTRA power that it generates but is more predictable and controllable than a turbo. The turbo effectively uses waste energy for its drive.
So the engine package (motor and blower), for a given power at the back wheel is actually significantly more highly stressed for the supercharger which is crankshaft driven than the turbo, which is not.

Matt Bleck

24th May 2007, 14:38

your a fool.... blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth, etc, etc ,etc....

adam666

24th May 2007, 14:40

TURBO!!!!!! cause ya gotta love the sound of them spooling up! and the intense rush as it starts boostin :Punk:

mmm wish Id won lotto!!!!

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 14:42

your a fool.... blah, blah, blah, so on and so forth, etc, etc ,etc....

Yeah i know

Coyote

24th May 2007, 14:46

Stop being a pussy and get the Stage 2 Turbo

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 14:51

Stop being a pussy and get the Stage 2 Turbo

heh!
i'd have to win lotto twice to fund that....

im not wanting to do any serious internal work to the engine, thats where the costs can sky rocket

Coyote

24th May 2007, 14:54

heh!
i'd have to win lotto twice to fund that....

im not wanting to do any serious internal work to the engine, thats where the costs can sky rocket
Pussy :bleh:

Fair enough. Hopefully Muzzy will still make that kit in 2 years time

SPman

24th May 2007, 15:16

Supercharger - way neater - unless its a whoring great GMC 6-71 with Hilborn injectors and scoop!

just so you can get to 100k quicker.........:whistle:

koba

24th May 2007, 15:39

Supercharge it!

I have had limited experiance with both superchrged and turbo'd cars.
It is true that a well balance and modern turbo setup can spool up very nicley and be very controlable with excellent trottle response, but...

Seems to cost HEAPs and take a lot of work compared to a simple supercharger setup.

A Supercharger makes 1600cc levins feel like they have a 5 litre V8!
They seem, to me, to be a much more user/road friendly option, afterall you already have ridiculous ammounts of power. More tourque never hurts.

Except to tyres, gearboxes, Clutches, Chains etc...

May have to keep that in mind when building the ultimate bike!

Maybe water/alcohol injection to complement the 'charger?

Good luck, cant wait to see it

- Koba

Storm

24th May 2007, 16:18

Whichever one you feel like throwing the Lotto win at :D
If all else fails, flip a coin :bleh: :D:D:D

N4CR

24th May 2007, 16:32

apart from it blowing a gasket (yeah most engines would with that much running through them!) this is why you get a turbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xpfjifzzng

well, remember most normal turbos don't only work in the last 2krpm... lol. ****** dyno queen poopras.

limbimtimwim

24th May 2007, 16:45

Because I've never seen a bike with one in the metal.

Edit: This thread has inspired me....

kiwifruit

24th May 2007, 23:00

Because I've never seen a bike with one in the metal.

Edit: This thread has inspired me....

how so?
have you plans to force feed the gixxer?

Sanx

24th May 2007, 23:45

Alan, you're f'ing insane, dude!

But supercharge it. Controllable (in the grand scheme of things) progressive power. Even Andrew Stroud was having trouble with that turbo'd Gixxer on the last MotoTT track day, remember.

kiwifruit

25th May 2007, 07:56

Alan, you're f'ing insane, dude!
na, im just hung like a mouse's ear.....

But supercharge it. Controllable (in the grand scheme of things) progressive power. Even Andrew Stroud was having trouble with that turbo'd Gixxer on the last MotoTT track day, remember.

yesss, i remember
as death says, sometimes bang noises aren't fun :lol:

will only be running low boost and fairly moderate power figures... im pretty sure that gixxer was boosting quite alot making big numbers
im only aiming for 220-240hp

texmo

25th May 2007, 08:21

N4CR

25th May 2007, 11:36

clicky not working

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/turbo+god/0/2e6abcc3-6a2c-4468-80a8-36af4dd0584e.htm

that would be the same video... just not on p00tube.

also, 'that' gixxer if it's the one i'm thinking is a 250hp gixxer, not sure if that's crank or rwhp.. either way.. it's boosting :)

and don't stick your hand in an engine bay of a highly boosted car while dynoing it :/ durr..

theres heaps of vids of supras, 'zillas and corvettes/vipers etc that are rediculously boosted doing the same thing.

limbimtimwim

25th May 2007, 19:27

how so?
have you plans to force feed the gixxer?Discarded that idea. I'm having a motorcycling mental breakdown at the moment.

kiwifruit

25th May 2007, 19:36

Discarded that idea. I'm having a motorcycling mental breakdown at the moment.

i understand
so am i
after riding Chris Mitchell's race prep'd ohlins fitted k1 gixxer 750 on the track today, shattering my pb.... im thinking why bother with the ten... it was such a pig to get on after that sweet sweet machine

doc

25th May 2007, 19:44

I've won lotto...
The 10r is getting a further tickle up, .
I don't give out free advice to "Lotto" winners . PM me for my account details.

limbimtimwim

25th May 2007, 20:05

i understand
so am iBloody hell. Maybe it's the season or something.

So this feeling is familiar then: Today, and this evening, the weather is perfect. And I'm thinking "Great night for a bike ride". As I get near the back door to get out the bike I'm thinking "Nah, where am I going to go and how am I going to enjoy it?". So I don't. I have what is quite possibly the most technically perfect motorcycle in the shed that I could possibly afford and I don't feel like using it. And have not done for a few weeks. Like fuck. :angry: :angry: Hence you and your superchargers wanting something different. And me looking at BMWs (And worse machinery I dare not mention) thinking they look like fun. :weird: :weird: :weird: :weird: :weird:

Goddamnit.

For you, might I suggest a 400cc bike or something?

Big Dog

25th May 2007, 20:13

IMHO Superchagers are more suited to bikes due to the more dependable and linear boost as compared to a turbo. Though a turbo tends to be less cost and set up.

Leong

26th May 2007, 07:11

Bloody hell. Maybe it's the season or something.

So this feeling is familiar then: Today, and this evening, the weather is perfect. And I'm thinking "Great night for a bike ride". As I get near the back door to get out the bike I'm thinking "Nah, where am I going to go and how am I going to enjoy it?". So I don't. I have what is quite possibly the most technically perfect motorcycle in the shed that I could possibly afford and I don't feel like using it. And have not done for a few weeks............

......Goddamnit.

Mate... you need to do another (dry) trackday!!! :dodge: Sure works for me!!

5cotty

26th May 2007, 07:27

Supercharge for consistant smooth "no surprises" power:yes:

Korea

26th May 2007, 07:32

Bloody hell. Maybe it's the season or something.

So this feeling is familiar then: Today, and this evening, the weather is perfect. And I'm thinking "Great night for a bike ride". As I get near the back door to get out the bike I'm thinking "Nah, where am I going to go and how am I going to enjoy it?". So I don't. I have what is quite possibly the most technically perfect motorcycle in the shed that I could possibly afford and I don't feel like using it. And have not done for a few weeks. Like fuck. :angry: :angry:

You need to come out riding with me Si - we'll get up to sheenanigans.
Aroooo~! Er... I mean on the bikes... Oops I mean :shit:

saul

26th May 2007, 09:24

i understand
so am i
after riding Chris Mitchell's race prep'd ohlins fitted k1 gixxer 750 on the track today, shattering my pb.... im thinking why bother with the ten... it was such a pig to get on after that sweet sweet machine

Yeh I agree the ten is a pig of a machine errrrr would you like to swap for a month or so:innocent: :yes: Then you wouldn't have to tell people about the mouse ear thing lol:sunny:

kiwifruit

26th May 2007, 14:55

Yeh I agree the ten is a pig of a machine errrrr would you like to swap for a month or so:innocent: :yes: Then you wouldn't have to tell people about the mouse ear thing lol:sunny:

yep, if you want :yes:

Bloody hell. Maybe it's the season or something.

So this feeling is familiar then: Today, and this evening, the weather is perfect. And I'm thinking "Great night for a bike ride". As I get near the back door to get out the bike I'm thinking "Nah, where am I going to go and how am I going to enjoy it?". So I don't. I have what is quite possibly the most technically perfect motorcycle in the shed that I could possibly afford and I don't feel like using it. And have not done for a few weeks. Like fuck. :angry: :angry: Hence you and your superchargers wanting something different. And me looking at BMWs (And worse machinery I dare not mention) thinking they look like fun. :weird: :weird: :weird: :weird:
Goddamnit.

For you, might I suggest a 400cc bike or something?

oh dude!
thats not good eh.....
prehaps a dirt bike would be a bit of fun for you?

Chrislost

26th May 2007, 15:04

definatly the stage 3 turbo

EZAS

26th May 2007, 15:15

No turbo ... No supercharger ... Just stick a rotary in it!!!
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/norton06120100.html

170hp @ 130kg from a 600cc!!

saul

26th May 2007, 15:33

yep, if you want :yes:

The old bluff called trick aaa I'll have to check it out with the chief and 99:love: :rockon:

_intense_

26th May 2007, 23:31

//if it was me i would leave the power because its a beast anyways, and id spend the coin on carbonfibre, lighten her up, special light mag rims, all trick ohlins, and make an already super-powerful machine handle and perform better. as much fun as it would be in straight line pant-shitting shenanigans... wouldnt the other be more usable, helpful and safer? (wet blanket mode de-activated)

//my 5cents worth :D keep us posted.

kiwifruit

24th July 2007, 19:07

all systems go
the eagle has landed, well.. pert near

who wants to guess what i went for?
clue; its BLUE

limbimtimwim

24th July 2007, 19:22

Sweet. You are nuts.

Can I have a go?

Storm

24th July 2007, 21:10

Post a vid of it in action ASAP please :)

Sanx

24th July 2007, 22:07

Blue? Well! Must be fast then!

Zapf

24th July 2007, 22:16

Im after linear power which is why im leaning towards the superchager. The turbo option would prolly give bigger gains, but im concerned about rideablity (sp).
Thanks for the input everyone :rockon:

I say with turbo charger, but with smaller turbo. Aim to have it spool up by around 5~6 thou RPM and a flat torque curve all the way to redline. And not much more power than the stock bike. Then it'll be linear power that is very usable. I think the turbo system will be easier to run as well.

Switch

24th July 2007, 22:38

all systems go
the eagle has landed, well.. pert near

who wants to guess what i went for?
clue; its BLUE

Must be NOS then :nya:
Post up some pics :drool:

kiwifruit

25th July 2007, 06:27

pics to come
no correct guesses yet

sAsLEX

25th July 2007, 07:01

pics to come
no correct guesses yet

Blue you say?

<img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66760&stc=1&d=1185303655>

kiwifruit

25th July 2007, 08:07

Blue you say?
Sacrebleu! :shit::shit:

Conquiztador

25th July 2007, 09:18

Ok, now back to earth. For 3 + Bonus number U will get some sazzy "go fast" stickers. :-)

deanohit

25th July 2007, 09:24

Blue you say?

<img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=66760&stc=1&d=1185303655>

Exactly what I first thought, but beaten to it. :second:

Roj

25th July 2007, 09:43

all systems go
the eagle has landed, well.. pert near

who wants to guess what i went for?
clue; its BLUE

I was going to recomend a Y2K
http://www.marineturbine.com/motorsports.asp

now that is different, but if I had truly won lotto I think I would buy a Britten:scooter:

vifferman

25th July 2007, 09:48

I was going to say "supercharge it". TTS in the UK do supercharging using Rotrex superchargers, and a young guy in the US has just fitted a Rotrex to his VFR800. He has yet to complete dialing in the fuel injection (using a Wide Band Commander and Power Commander), but it's quite rideable: a nice linear surge of power, rather than a big hit like you'd get from a turbo.
http://www.vfrdiscussion.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31492&st=440

skelstar

25th July 2007, 09:49

Zapf

25th July 2007, 11:48

I know what is blue!
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0arbreaka

25th July 2007, 12:01

Im guessing along the lines of the supercharger kit

Zapf

25th July 2007, 17:50

How about this?

kiwifruit

25th July 2007, 18:00

How about this?

you're getting warmer
its a bit heavier more fun

limbimtimwim

25th July 2007, 18:21

A jet!?!

<img src="http://www.astaara.com/albatros-L39/pictures/N399ZA-1m.jpg">

limbimtimwim

25th July 2007, 18:23

Star Trek cookbook!?!?

<img src="http://blog.news-record.com/staff/melskitchen/archives/star%20trek%20cookbook.jpg">

That's right up yo' alley!

1vanvan1

25th July 2007, 18:35

You brought this .... ?

qldzxr250a

25th July 2007, 19:07

is this it......

dear god.....:sick:

bimotabob

25th July 2007, 21:01

Hi

Have you considered you could trade up to an exotic/rare bike like a 0W02 or a RC30 etc etc??
At least then start with something good and not mass produced common rice..
You are within your rights to just do what you want and buy what you want - asking others opinions is what probably got you the green boredom the first place.

Regards
BB

puddy

25th July 2007, 22:07

And nitrous too!:yes:

Sanx

25th July 2007, 22:08

Hi

Have you considered you could trade up to an exotic/rare bike like a 0W02 or a RC30??
At least then start with something good and not mass produced common rice..
Just do what you want and buy what you want - asking others is what probably got you the common 10 in the first place.

Regards
BB

I don't know why Mr Fruit went for his kiwi-coloured ZX10R. However ... exotic / rare bike usually means expensive to buy, expensive to maintain, hard to find spares for, hard to find performance bits for, and lastly ... not as well-built, fast or competent as the 'common rice' you allude to.

BarBender

25th July 2007, 22:56

you're getting warmer
its a bit heavier more fun

You crazy nut!

kiwifruit

26th July 2007, 09:38

I've recently gone from 100kg to 80kg so i decided the ten was grunty enough now i'm not a heavy coont.
I am still doing ohlins in it but the power will be staying as is.
The money has been spent on a 2005 wr450.
Its been a few years since i've owned a dirt bike, recon it will be a blast, hopefully i can hang onto the thing!