State Of Fear

[MSTRS]

Just finished reading this book by Michael Crichton (of Jurassic Park fame).
A thoroughly enjoyable read. Fiction dealing with both sides of the environmental 'debate'.
The author has obviously researched the subject in depth and in his Author's Message section, one comment stood out for me....
"The current near-hysterical preoccupation with safety is at best a waste of resources and a crimp on the human spirit, and at worst an invitation to totalitarianism. Public education is desperately needed."
This stuck me as being the ethos displayed by motorcyclists, hence posting this on KB.

[Disco Dan]

Fear is a very real barrier, although there for a reason, it can cause us to react in a way that actually creates more danger than was there to begin with.

Training our survival reactions to work with us not against us seems to be the key...

[MSTRS]

Ah, DD...perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The ethos I refer to is that which many/most of us display is the disdain in which we hold the safety nazis etc, who if allowed to continue unfettered could end up controlling every inch of our lives....

[Disco Dan]

Ah, DD...perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The ethos I refer to is that which many/most of us display is the disdain in which we hold the safety nazis etc, who if allowed to continue unfettered could end up controlling every inch of our lives....

ahh, righto... I instantly remebered an episode of Top Gear where the team built a road in the country.... all those safety messages!!!!! Was lunch time before they even turned the machines on!

[86GSXR]

I know exactly where you're coming from and totally agree John. I get totally fed up with wave after wave of expensivly produced patronising propoganda hurled at us on a daily basis.

I recently drove all over the US, and was impressed by their message on seat belts. Quite simple and effective road signs which simply stated " This state requires the use of seatbelts - it's the law". Easy! And cheap.

[sAsLEX]

ahh, righto... I instantly remebered an episode of Top Gear where the team built a road in the country.... all those safety messages!!!!! Was lunch time before they even turned the machines on!

by far the best Top Gear safety message is Jeremy's Level Crossing bit

[chanceyy]

yes the saftey pc brigade is certainly in overdrive at the moment ..


I agree with 86 .. simple message stating a law - without being all pc is far better than having it rammed down ya throat.

[vifferman]

Yeah, I've read State of Fear. Excellent book.

The ethos I refer to is that which many/most of us display is the disdain in which we hold the safety nazis etc, who if allowed to continue unfettered could end up controlling every inch of our lives....
I hope that there will one day be a backlash (apart from people like us "living life dangerously") against all the SafetyNazism. I for one am getting REALLY fucked off by the overabundance of rules and regulations. FFS! No wonder people have no commonsense any more; we've developed a nanny state mentality where every time anything happens, people run around like headless chooks and scream "There should be a law against it!"
Example: the guy who got run over in Roundabout-A during illegal street races. "Someone should do something about it!"

So? It's sad, but he took a risk, and got run over. Nothing needs to be done, no new laws need to be written, no taxpayer money needs to be wasted coming up with a "solution".
"Their" solution? Clamp down on 'boy racers'. Impound more of their cars. Impose curfews. Increase policing. Fine them more. More punishments. More restrictions. What a load of crap!
My solution? Stop trying to make life bland, boring and 'safe'. Repeal laws.
If you can't ignore the 'boy racers' then help them: give them places like industrial areas or racetracks where they can have some fun. If you can't/won't do that, then ignore them.
Use the police for policing REAL crimes, like rape, murder, burglary, assault.
Use the law for important things. We have TOO MANY laws on the statute books now! We didn't need any "Boy Racer" amendments - everything in these amendments apart from stealing their cars in a fit of pique was already there!

Life is a terminal disease!
It has a 100% mortality rate!
The more the NambyPambyBrigade try and make things safe, sanitised and sensible, the more anyone who isn't a grey-suited, grey-faced bureaucrat is going to try to squeeze some fun out of it.

[MSTRS]

My point exactly Vifferman!!! It's odd that it is those who 'do' dangerous stuff think this way.....

[Swoop]

The united nations.
European community.
World Bank.
Etc, etc.

Totalitarianism is rife and ready. You will be assimilated.



I'm off to run around the office while holding scissors.:Punk:

[Storm]

That idea can get fucked. Safety Nazis- same thing. Labour govt- you know what you can do

[vifferman]

I don't think the sheeple think things through - just blindly accept that "it's good for us".
Example: If I take off briskly from the lights, don't exceed the speed limit, don't crash or cause an accident, I am running the risk of getting a ticket. Why?!?
If I accelerate, but once again don't exceed the speed limit, don't crash or cause an accident, but inadvertantly (or advertantly - who cares, same difference!) allow the front wheel to lift off the tarmac, I am running the risk of getting a ticket. Why?!?
My bike currently has a problem with picking up road spooge (someone else's wanky vehicle is jizzing on the road!) on the tyres, and so it spins up in the damp. If I spin it up a bit while waiting at the lights, to clean the surface of the tyre and re-stickify it, I am being very,VERY naughty. Why?!?

Somehow, the traffic laws stopped really being about SAFETY, and became all about CONFORMITY with a set of mores, values and morals many of us don't agree with.
I guess some would argue that noobs might spin up their tyres, loft their front wheels, accelerate briskly, etc., lose control, and crash. So funkin what?!? If they do, there are consequences.

[Storm]

I guess some would argue that noobs might spin up their tyres, loft their front wheels, accelerate briskly, etc., lose control, and crash. So funkin what?!? If they do, there are consequences.

Indeed so. Little thing like the laws of physics and our dear friend Mr Murhpy. And like the song says- "I fought the law, but the law won"
Bring back the days when experience was how you learnt.(ie you dont have it till just after you need it ! :D)

[86GSXR]

And it's very annoying having millions of tax dollars poured into funding all these advertising campaigns, law drafts, enforcement, etc, when the effect on those it's vainly attempting to reach is to cause them to laugh and go faster or whatever they do anyway. While those with the common sense to act responsibly, will do so without being 'told'.

And judging by the increase in lawlessness, truancy, drunkeness, and general social problems in this country at the moment, all these 'public awareness' campaigns have had very little effect anyway. Sheesh!

[MSTRS]

.... all these 'public awareness' campaigns have had very little effect anyway. Sheesh!

Of course they have. It's called 'Reverse Psychology'....see, the Govt wants more lawlessness, cos then they can enact more laws and justify their own existences....

[86GSXR]

Of course they have. It's called 'Reverse Psychology'....see, the Govt wants more lawlessness, cos then they can enact more laws and justify their own existences....

Yeah probably - with my tax dollar too! The fuckers. I think I'll go for a good hard high speed ride now and, and , and, have a latte. Hell, it's Friday:yes:

[MSTRS]

Decaf, you hear?

[chanceyy]

Yeah probably - with my tax dollar too! The fuckers. I think I'll go for a good hard high speed ride now and, and , and, have a latte. Hell, it's Friday:yes:

only one we would hate for you to be filled up on to much coffee & break laws .... :yes: :innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

Must be a negative day...

You know what, I don't see any Nazi brigades....so there are Laws that may say we cannot have fun and speed etc, however, we still do it and despite these Laws we still break them because we still can and since 1979 I sustained 3 convictions / 1 3 month ban last year, 27 years later so I have had a lot of freedom despite these Laws that we all complain impinge on our rights.

Having Laws has not changed for centuries...........there were times when we got flogged for not paying our taxes and I am sure if we were transported back to 1250 and rode our bikes we would be hung.....so things ain't that bad chaps.

I just feel that all this anti establishment stuff takes us away from all the good things in life.........which was not meant to be perfect.

[MSTRS]

GB- I fear you think my thinking is too narrow, being focussed on traffic regs? I refer to the plethora of rules and regulations that pervade our every waking and sleeping moment. Those which are imposed on us by those that 'know best and need to do our thinking for us'. From whether framing timber can be treated (what a fkn disaster) to the proposed piccies of damaged lungs on tobacco products (like we don't know) to not smoothing out an open corner to what can be put on car windows (tints etc).....it is endless, unceasing and every one of them takes just a little more personal responsibility away from us.

[Grahameeboy]

GB- I fear you think my thinking is too narrow, being focussed on traffic regs? I refer to the plethora of rules and regulations that pervade our every waking and sleeping moment. Those which are imposed on us by those that 'know best and need to do our thinking for us'. From whether framing timber can be treated (what a fkn disaster) to the proposed piccies of damaged lungs on tobacco products (like we don't know) to not smoothing out an open corner to what can be put on car windows (tints etc).....it is endless, unceasing and every one of them takes just a little more personal responsibility away from us.

No I know what you are saying.

My old man is always moaning about this and that despite being a Millionaire.......he is a miserable git.......I am not going to be like him.

Now you are not a miserable git, far from it, however, I still think that despite all these do gooders etc, I am not really worried about frame timber, tinted windows, tobbaco....it is not that I don't care, just that there are worse things in life and to me these are minor things, call them nusiances which to be honest I have never really worried about plus now I have a disabled 4 year old Daughter who has taught me so much and just reinforced what I worry about and what I do not.

Life is too short is very apt phrase.

[Street Gerbil]

Well, like the classic once said:
"I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain."

[MSTRS]

No I know what you are saying.

......

Life is too short is very apt phrase.

One way of looking at it, I suppose. But one day you will wake up and find that someone has passed a law requiring you to ask permission to get out of bed...know what I mean??

[Grahameeboy]

One way of looking at it, I suppose. But one day you will wake up and find that someone has passed a law requiring you to ask permission to get out of bed...know what I mean??

Now you are being paranoid.............there have been Laws for centuries........I think you need to ride up here Saturday 9th June and come on our depressed ride on the Sunday....:yes:

Chill.........

[MSTRS]

Now you are being paranoid.............there have been Laws for centuries........I think you need to ride up here Saturday 9th June and come on our depressed ride on the Sunday....:yes:

Chill.........

Hey!! Where'd the 'good laws' bit go?? Which I agreed with, simply because those ones are sane, rational and the foundation blocks of any decent society. It's the do-gooder/know best/badly thought-out crap that is burying us and our spirit.

[Grahameeboy]

Hey!! Where'd the 'good laws' bit go?? Which I agreed with, simply because those ones are sane, rational and the foundation blocks of any decent society. It's the do-gooder/know best/badly thought-out crap that is burying us and our spirit.

I thought I was opening myself so removed.

Okay, I want you to make 2 columns. One saying 'Good Laws' and the other saying 'Bad Laws' and then list in the columns and see what happens and let me have the feedback.

And then read my next post....tongue in Dover's cheeks but could not resist...

[Grahameeboy]

Paranoia is a term used by mental health specialists to describe suspiciousness (or mistrust) that is either highly exaggerated or not warranted at all. The word is often used in everyday conversation, often in anger, often incorrectly. Simple suspiciousness is not paranoia--not if it is based on past experience or expectations learned from the experience of others.

Paranoia can be mild and the affected person may function fairly well in society, or it can be so severe that the individual is incapacitated. Because many psychiatric disorders are accompanied by some paranoid features, diagnosis is sometimes difficult. Paranoias can be classified into three main categories--paranoid personality disorder, delusional (paranoid) disorder, and paranoid schizophrenia.


PARANOID PERSONALITY DISORDER
-- Derek worked in a large office as a computer programmer. When another programmer received a promotion, Derek felt that the supervisor "had it in for him" and would never recognize his worth. He was sure that his co-workers were subtly downgrading him. Often he watched as others took coffee breaks together and imagined they spent this time talking about him. If he saw a group of people laughing, he knew they were laughing at him. He spent so much time brooding about the mistreatment he received that his work suffered and his supervisor told him he must improve or receive a poor performance rating. This action reinforced all Derek's suspicions, and he looked for and found a position in another large company. After a few weeks on his new job, he began to feel that others in the office didn't like him, excluded him from all conversations, made fun of him behind his back, and eroded his position. Derek has changed jobs six times in the last seven years. Derek has paranoid personality disorder.
Some people regularly become suspicious without cause--so much so that their paranoid thoughts disrupt their work and family life. Such people are said to have a paranoid personality. They are:


Suspicious
An unmistakable sign of paranoia is continual mistrust. People with paranoid personality disorder are constantly on their guard because they see the world as a threatening place. They tend to confirm their expectations by latching on to any speck of evidence that supports their suspicions and ignore or misinterpret any evidence to the contrary. They are ever watchful and may look around for signs of a threat.

Anyone in a new situation--beginning a job or starting a relationship, for example--is cautious and somewhat guarded until he or she learns that the fears are groundless. People suffering from paranoia cannot abandon their fears. They continue to expect trickery and to doubt the loyalty of others. In a personal relationship or marriage, this suspiciousness may take the form of pathological, unrealistic jealousy.

[MSTRS]

Can't list 'em all, but poll added

[Grahameeboy]

Can't list 'em all, but poll added

Guess which one I will click on..

[Grahameeboy]

So no homework assignment from you......detention for you boy

[MSTRS]

So no homework assignment from you......detention for you boy

Bad law removing the cane. See, I don't like getting the whack, but detention is great cos all my mates are there too...it's a holiday camp.

[Grahameeboy]

Bad law removing the cane. See, I don't like getting the whack, but detention is great cos all my mates are there too...it's a holiday camp.

You would not have liked my school then.......

[MSTRS]

You would not have liked my school then.......

....or mine! I aint a 'young' fella, you know.

[Grahameeboy]

....or mine! I aint a 'young' fella, you know.

Nor me but at my school, they burnt a building....like 3 storeys.....regular beatings by the 'Clifton Army'....I was a good runner, would just pick on anyone with cause........most of that year ended up in jail when they were older.............a common event was they would all line up and run into the playground....there was only one way out....and beat the shit out of anyone in the way........I lived in the posh houses outside the school so got fit!!!

If you had a party and had trubs, you called these guys....

If I was a parent (well I am), I would be glad my kids were in NZ.....

[cowboyz]

If you can't ignore the 'boy racers' then help them: give them places like industrial areas or racetracks where they can have some fun. If you can't/won't do that, then ignore them.

Where did I read that some council made a bylaw banning cars from industrual areas forcing boy racers into town to make it easier to catch them?



It extends to all things these days. Recently I had to reapply for an advanced handlers certificate to handle dangerous chemcials. The certificate lasts 5 years and you need one to apply certain chemicals.

Problem with the whole idea which directly puts the whole advanced handlers cerificate into the "what a fucking joke" basket.

1. You do not need an AHC to BUY dangerous chemicals. The reason they give is that the shops should not be acting like police and asking for your cert before you buy chemicals that can have very adverse effects on the environment and quite possibly can kill wildlife, fish and people............. However you must provide ID to buy ciggys.

2. You do not need an AHC to APPLY dangerous chemicals. You simply have to be working for a company that has someone in it that has an AHC. The person with the AHC does not have to be supervising the application of dangerous chemicals. They simply have to be "on site".

Why do we need an AHC you ask then? Oh shit, I forgot to ask as I handed over the $100 for the ticket.

[Grahameeboy]

Where did I read that some council made a bylaw banning cars from industrual areas forcing boy racers into town to make it easier to catch them?



It extends to all things these days. Recently I had to reapply for an advanced handlers certificate to handle dangerous chemcials. The certificate lasts 5 years and you need one to apply certain chemicals.

Problem with the whole idea which directly puts the whole advanced handlers cerificate into the "what a fucking joke" basket.

1. You do not need an AHC to BUY dangerous chemicals. The reason they give is that the shops should not be acting like police and asking for your cert before you buy chemicals that can have very adverse effects on the environment and quite possibly can kill wildlife, fish and people............. However you must provide ID to buy ciggys.

2. You do not need an AHC to APPLY dangerous chemicals. You simply have to be working for a company that has someone in it that has an AHC. The person with the AHC does not have to be supervising the application of dangerous chemicals. They simply have to be "on site".

Why do we need an AHC you ask then? Oh shit, I forgot to ask as I handed over the $100 for the ticket.

Do you sleep at night.................

[Quartermile]

Totaly agree with this laws taken too far idea, just adding to all the PC bullshit we have to put up with, Anyone seen 'Equilibrium'?

[Grahameeboy]

Totaly agree with this laws taken too far idea, just adding to all the PC bullshit we have to put up with, Anyone seen 'Equilibrium'?

But at end of day what is the real harm......Laws are subjective to the Public...so what Cowboyz says seems silly but what real harm has been done......

[Storm]

Gunna spank him and send him to bed with no pudding too? :bleh:

[cowboyz]

Do you sleep at night.................

Huh>?


Totaly agree with this laws taken too far idea, just adding to all the PC bullshit we have to put up with, Anyone seen 'Equilibrium'?

Great movie.


But at end of day what is the real harm......Laws are subjective to the Public...so what Cowboyz says seems silly but what real harm has been done......
I am out $100 which could have been put to fuel money......


Gunna spank him and send him to bed with no pudding too? :bleh:

Back in the corner you...... I will get your wife to sort you out........... some more....

[Storm]

Sorry Cowboyz, that was meant to be way up under MSTRS's answer.Oh and :bleh: the wife is out tonight so I can say what I like
I've seen Equibrium (what a cool pair of fight scenes - the room clearance at the start and the chop chop at the end!!!:D:) ) and thats the way we are heading

[Swoop]

Has anyone applied to a local council to do anything recently? Cut down a tree? Build a house or shed?

[oldrider]

One of the first stories we learned at school, Chicken Little, the sky is falling!

It's still falling for a certain class of people and they still gather to make rules to stop it!

Unfortunately they will always be standing for office to guide the rest of us who actually know what we are doing and get on with it.

Even more unfortunate is the fact that they actually get elected, every time!

Maybe Chicken Little was right! :sick: Disgusted, :nono: John.

[MSTRS]

Has anyone applied to a local council to do anything recently? Cut down a tree? Build a house or shed?

New garage last year....
Old one had downpipes onto the driveway, water flowed down the drive, across the pavement and into the gutter. No problem. Existing use.
New one...can't do that, must pipe it under the pavement to the gutter.
Why?
Because people might get their feet wet.
WTF? It's raining. If they don't want to get wet, they won't be out walking.
That's the rules. Won't be signing off the permit if not done.
Gah!!!

[Ralph]

Be nice if the laws where based on common sense somtimes, oh well dreams are free.....for now.

[Grahameeboy]

New garage last year....
Old one had downpipes onto the driveway, water flowed down the drive, across the pavement and into the gutter. No problem. Existing use.
New one...can't do that, must pipe it under the pavement to the gutter.
Why?
Because people might get their feet wet.
WTF? It's raining. If they don't want to get wet, they won't be out walking.
That's the rules. Won't be signing off the permit if not done.
Gah!!!

I thought it was illegal to run water across the path anyway.

Okay the reason given does sound petty, however, we all know how tight building / renovation regs are and should double check......

What if the guttering gets dirty / gungy over time and the water becomes gungy and creates a slippery service on the pavement.............doesn't matter how remote, someone could have an accident.

"It's raining. If they don't want to get wet, they won't be out walking"....isn't this impinging on peoples freedom?

[MacD]

Ah, DD...perhaps I wasn't clear enough. The ethos I refer to is that which many/most of us display is the disdain in which we hold the safety nazis etc, who if allowed to continue unfettered could end up controlling every inch of our lives....

Interesting perspective on the KB safety ethos. On one hand riding motorcycles is fundamentally a risky business, yet how many "All the gear all the time" threads are posted on here, or the "I saw somebody riding without gloves" threads? Personally I think there is a strong vein of disapproval regarding people who don't follow the received wisdom regarding safety gear on this site, to the point of threads suggesting boots, jackets and gloves should be made compulsory. I do sometimes wonder if it is a generational shift in perspective, that safety when riding is something that can be imposed from outside, or purchased from a dealer (the leather cocoon syndrome), rather than coming from your own decisions and behaviour?

[Grahameeboy]

Interesting perspective on the KB safety ethos. On one hand riding motorcycles is fundamentally a risky business, yet how many "All the gear all the time" threads are posted on here, or the "I saw somebody riding without gloves" threads? Personally I think there is a strong vein of disapproval regarding people who don't follow the received wisdom regarding safety gear on this site, to the point of threads suggesting boots, jackets and gloves should be made compulsory. I do sometimes wonder if it is a generational shift in perspective, that safety when riding is something that can be imposed from outside, or purchased from a dealer (the leather cocoon syndrome), rather than coming from your own decisions and behaviour?

Which is why I guess we do need the 'so called' Nazi rules.....we do not always know best eh.....and with MSTR and his garage issue, it could have been avoided...

[MSTRS]

"It's raining. If they don't want to get wet, they won't be out walking"....isn't this impinging on peoples freedom?

Rubbish! Nothing stopping them walking, its their choice whether to get wet or not. Need a law banning rain? Watch this space......
If we want a sensible law about properties allowing (something) to exit across a public way, why not one that prevents paddock exits on corners? Have you seen the shit that gets dragged out on the road from those tractor tyres or from Farmer Brown's prize dairy herd? Do you want to corner on that stuff?

[Grahameeboy]

Rubbish! Nothing stopping them walking, its their choice whether to get wet or not. Need a law banning rain? Watch this space......
If we want a sensible law about properties allowing (something) to exit across a public way, why not one that prevents paddock exits on corners? Have you seen the shit that gets dragged out on the road from those tractor tyres or from Farmer Brown's prize dairy herd? Do you want to corner on that stuff?

Yeah but if there is a stream of water across the path they will get soaked feet, not just wet...anyway, it was just a small illustration to deal with your point that I quoted.....agree a cheap one but as you know anything goes with me..:gob:

I guess paddock exits are on quieter roads.....but again you can see the road conditions and slow down......

I once went around a corner in Remuera. It was dark and there were new houses being built and there was mud on road from trucks and it had rained...just a wiggle that was all......cannot lawgate everything.

Again, these things are not major

[MSTRS]

.....cannot lawgate everything.

Give it enough time....


Again, these things are not major
Then why enshrine them in (by)law?

[MSTRS]

Interesting perspective on the KB safety ethos. On one hand riding motorcycles is fundamentally a risky business, yet how many "All the gear all the time" threads are posted on here, or the "I saw somebody riding without gloves" threads? Personally I think there is a strong vein of disapproval regarding people who don't follow the received wisdom regarding safety gear on this site, to the point of threads suggesting boots, jackets and gloves should be made compulsory. I do sometimes wonder if it is a generational shift in perspective, that safety when riding is something that can be imposed from outside, or purchased from a dealer (the leather cocoon syndrome), rather than coming from your own decisions and behaviour?

Yes, but apart from the helmet thing, we still have the choice. It is the (increasing) removal of choice that irks me.

[Grahameeboy]

Give it enough time....

Silly

Then why enshrine them in (by)law?

That is the way it is so if it is silly, don't worry about it.
.....................

[Grahameeboy]

Yes, but apart from the helmet thing, we still have the choice. It is the (increasing) removal of choice that irks me.

Choiced is subjective. We still have choices in life and okay some maybe imposed on us but like I said, we then need to decide how it really does affect our daily lifes....like a scale of 1 - 10 and I think we would be surprised how small the issue really is.

I mean take bikes, we all speed knowing that we may get caught but in all probably we will not and if we do, well it's a pain but in 27 years I have spent $1,000 in fines which is not bad value for entertainment........thats about 20 Chelsea home games........

[MSTRS]

If the issues really are that small, then why do we have laws that cover them?

[MSTRS]

Anyway, one can argue the merits of particular laws, whether they are biggies or not. The original point of this thread was to highlight issues raised in the book I read, being that there are a plethora of laws and rules imposed on us by interest groups with an agenda which are not in the public interest and (like the 70kph learners thing) often in retrospect create unforeseen problems, which are worse than the original 'reason' for the law.

[Grahameeboy]

If the issues really are that small, then why do we have laws that cover them?

I agree so don't worry about them....

[Grahameeboy]

Anyway, one can argue the merits of particular laws, whether they are biggies or not. The original point of this thread was to highlight issues raised in the book I read, being that there are a plethora of laws and rules imposed on us by interest groups with an agenda which are not in the public interest and (like the 70kph learners thing) often in retrospect create unforeseen problems, which are worse than the original 'reason' for the law.

I agree the 70k limit is silly but at end of day we still have the choice to abide by it or not...for some they can handle and for some who cannot they will keep to it and no idea what the stats are on offences for breach but cannot be meany eh?

Never read books........another of my Dad's put offs...all his books are about moany things......

[MSTRS]

I agree the 70k limit is silly but at end of day we still have the choice to abide by it or not...

And take the punishment if caught.
Like all laws can be ignored, but at a cost.
Man-made laws are often poorly researched, poorly received and serve little more than to make some interest group feel important.
I suggest you read the book to understand.

[oldrider]

And take the punishment if caught.
Like all laws can be ignored, but at a cost.
Man-made laws are often poorly researched, poorly received and serve little more than to make some interest group feel important.
I suggest you read the book to understand.

We do not need most of these stupid laws of which you speak, what we do need is less laws, more personal responsibility, more personal accountability and above all, an understanding of the consequences of our individual actions or behaviour.

The status quo, government and associated authorities are made up of special interest groups and make laws that punish the majority for the actions of a minority, typical of school teachers, unionists and broken down ministers of religion.

Just watch the way they "deal" to the boy racer fraternity and judge for yourselves. Bloody :tugger: in my opinion. :yes: John.

[Swoop]

On one hand riding motorcycles is fundamentally a risky business, yet how many "All the gear all the time" threads are posted on here, or the "I saw somebody riding without gloves" threads?
There's the common sense "personal responsibilty" rules Vs the "WE KNOW what's right and WILL make laws for you" approach of nanna state and the pencil-dicked minions who exist because of the big brother approach.
The safety nazis are (hopefully) getting the message through before Unkle Heilein and his minions regulate...