Naked 675 announced

[Big Dave]

http://www.triumph.co.uk

pictures starting to float around too.

[MD]

Well that's killed off the rumour mill industry. Trust Triumph to tease us with a tiny tiny snippet of a picture with..'more to come'
Looks stunning..
It's good to see that they go from strength to strength with each new model released.

[Devil]

Hello potential speed four replacement... (as mentioned in the previous thread that had this in it...)

[El Dopa]

Yep, s'pretty exciting. I might have to sell a kidney.

Pity they didn't ditch those 'goblet' headlights and stupid pixie hat while they had the chace, though.

[imdying]

What an ugly piece of crap... I love a good fighter, but that just looks like they forgot to put the fairing back on (not surprisingly, that's also the mark of a crap fighter).

/edit: There's some better pics around... but trust me, you don't want a better look at those mufflers :puke:

[u4ea]

going back to the 94 colour isnt it????

[Big Dave]

What an ugly piece of crap... I love a good fighter, but that just looks like they forgot to put the fairing back on (not surprisingly, that's also the mark of a crap fighter).

/edit: There's some better pics around... but trust me, you don't want a better look at those mufflers :puke:

some of your best work.

[imdying]

Some people are having a moan about the pricing, which seems pretty steep... be interesting to see what we end up paying.

Some stuff here http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25may07_street3.htm
And over at triumph675.net.
And http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?lnk=rss&article=29120

I've a bigger pic somewhere too.

[sels1]

Whats next? a 675 trailie?

[White trash]

Hmmmm, dunno yet. I'll wait 'till I see it in the flesh as I commented negatively on the Daytona 675 from the pictures and that was then recorded as one of the biggest fuck ups I've ever made.

(Secondly only to race restarts)

[Patrick]

Meh... the faired model is still nicer... especially in Burnt Yellow... dunno about that pus green... or is it vomit green?

[_intense_]

//five flaming hardons out of five. :buggerd:

[James Deuce]

What an ugly piece of crap... I love a good fighter, but that just looks like they forgot to put the fairing back on (not surprisingly, that's also the mark of a crap fighter).

/edit: There's some better pics around... but trust me, you don't want a better look at those mufflers :puke:

Thanks. Saved me yet ANOTHER grumpy post. I owe you a beer.

[xwhatsit]

Thanks. Saved me yet ANOTHER grumpy post. I owe you a beer.

Oh phew. I was keeping quiet out of politeness... but that does look like arse. Looks like Joe Blogg's streetfighter project, with a nose he got on eBay.

I'm sure it sounds horn, though.

[zadok]

Looks just like the Speed Triple but with the smaller motor. It needs a bikini fairing over the instrument shroud and headlight IMO.

[James Deuce]

Sorry Zadok I don't think it does. I think they TRIED to make it look like a small Speed Triple and failed. The Speed Triple looks fantastic. That thing looks like someone grafted the fly screen and lights from a Speed Four (which looks better in the flesh than in photos incidentally so Trashy may be right) onto a crashed 675 and then thought it would be a good idea to steal Uncle Dave's speed triple muffler and make it fit with a hammer.

[Devil]

I think they've just built another speed triple, then changed a couple of bits so it's not the same.

The screen is different to all the others. The headlights tell you it's a Triumph. I want to see how it goes.
Looks didn't sell me on the speed four straight away (till I saw the accessory body bits ;) ) but the ride sure did!

[El Dopa]

I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh, as it were.

As WT said, the Daytona 675 looks nothing special in photos, but looks the biz in real life, especially in race trim.

My initial judgement is 'typically British' - so, so nearly there. But managing to fuck it all up at the last minute, or with a few last minute styling details. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, as it were.

More or less how I feel about the 1050 triple. I'd love one, but I'd have to throw about 2K's worth of aftermarket parts at it as soon as I got it home - new rear fender, new headlight assembly, new flyscreen, new flat bars....

[Big Dave]

My initial judgement is 'typically British' - so, so nearly there. But managing to fuck it all up at the last minute, or with a few last minute styling details. Defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, as it were.



1996 I'd agree with you. Although my Tbird has stood the test rather well.
Not since the before Daytona 650 have the missed the style boat. Might not be your taste - but they is what they is and stand alone because of it.

This thing will be too small for me by a lot, but loose the fly screen and it's exactly the styling I like.

[Maha]

More or less how I feel about the 1050 triple. I'd love one, but I'd have to throw about 2K's worth of aftermarket parts at it as soon as I got it home - new rear fender, new headlight assembly, new flyscreen, new flat bars....


Oh a Daytona you mean?....:yes:

[El Dopa]

1996 I'd agree with you. Although my Tbird has stood the test rather well.
Not since the before Daytona 650 have they missed the style boat. Might not be your taste - but they is what they is and stand alone because of it.

This thing will be too small for me by a lot, but loose the fly screen and it's exactly the styling I like.

Well, yeah, it's my personal opinion. Don't get me wrong - I love 95% of the styling of the new Triumphs. I just think they are (badly) let down by some of their finishing touches (rather than core elements), and that to me is a typically British way of going about things.

Standard triple vs modded triple in the attached (nicked from triumphrat.net).

In the standard bike, the main problem for me style-wise is the hideous front end (lights and instruments stick out too far, and the lights are too big). Also, the rear fender and light cluster is about a metre too long.

They aren't 'core' to the overall look/style of the bike, and as shown in the pic of the modded bike, they are easily changed if you happen to have a bit of spare cash lying around. I just wish that Triumph had put a bit more thought into it and offered it like that from the factory.

Flyscreen isn't shown, but is just horrible. Compare and contrast with the ducati monster flyscreen, which is mint. And I'm saying that as someone who is not generally a fan of single round headlights.

[El Dopa]

Oh a Daytona you mean?....:yes:

See post 21....

[Devil]

new rear fender, new headlight assembly, new flyscreen, new flat bars....

Remind me to throttle you next time I see you. :shutup:
Fender: yeah yeah, same goes for most bikes these days
Headlight: What??? They just scream "modern Triumph". You see those headlights coming and you KNOW it's a Triumph. After riding in the dark with the speed fours great ones, I'd take being able to see in the dark over style any day! (not that I mind the style, see above).
Flyscreen: The 1050's accessory flyscreen is a work of art! If the street 675's screen is anything like the speed fours, it's easily removed.
Bars: Whats wrong with them?

Heathen!

[El Dopa]

Remind me to help you adjust your throttle next time I see you.

Thanks, that's very generous.


Flyscreen: The 1050's accessory flyscreen is a work of art!

You mean it looks like its made out of elephant poo and the artists dirty knickers? Yes, agreed.


If the street 675's screen is anything like the speed fours, it's easily removed.!

A small blessing.


Bars: Whats wrong with them?

Nothing. The flat ones look better though.


Heathen!

And proud of it.

[imdying]

I expect that Micron are working on a fix for the mufflers as we speak :yes:

[Hitcher]

It's arrival has been fondly speculated about. Read all about it.

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25may07_street3.htm

[98tls]

Looks like fun..............:yes:

[dogsnbikes]

Oh yes looks like more room will be needed in the stable or build a bigger stable:innocent:

[moko]

What really hacks me off with Triumph is that they're saying that will be $7999 in America.Dollar/Pound rate is all but 2:1 but no way will they be offering it here for £4000,let alone less because they don't have to ship it overseas.I'd guess it'd be nearer 6 grand than 4.Nice bike though,definately better-looking than the new 600 Hornet,what a lash-up that is.

[riffer]

Yeah?

I don't think it'll be $10,500 here either mate.

Probably more like $12,999.

Still, very tasty. I like. :yes:

[shcabbeh]

I like it except for the dash fairing...something not quite right there. Could be the colour. I bet it sounds great though.

[James Deuce]

It'll probably be $14,999 and drop to $12,999 when no one buys one.

Still looks like a crashed 675 repaired with Speed 4 parts.

[Maha]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=50645

[Devil]

It'll probably be $14,999 and drop to $12,999 when no one buys one.
The sooner the better. What a bargain the S4 was (and it went down to $11,995).

[avgas]

Bah, it doesnt do anything for me sorry. Cant quite put my finger on it....and its kinda weird as i LOVE both the 675, Speed Triple and the 1050 Triple.....but the 675 Triple looks all out of place to me.
Mabey the headlights are too big.
Mabey the screen is too weird. I dont know
But needless to say im not dropping anything for it right now.

[Devil]

As it was for me and the speed four, it's all in the ride. Proof is in the pudding as they say. I'm looking forward to it.

[RantyDave]

It'll probably be $14,999 and drop to $12,999 when no one buys one.
Dunno man, with the following the D675 has built up I think they might be a grand more, initially.

I'll be interested to see if they cheapen the suspension at all, but as far as I'm concerned it makes little difference - I won't be able to afford to change bikes for at least a year (currently starting another company).

Dave

[James Deuce]

The Speed Four is a classy looking bike and it looks like a balanced design. It does, as I have said before, look a little awkward and flat in pictures, but in meat-space it looks damn fine.

Hopefully this "thing" will improve in real life. I will endeavour to get my hands on a demo when one is available and I will give it the treatment.

[James Deuce]

Ohh yeah, while I remember, I'm not talking to you Dave. I said hello to you in the Bristol on Friday and you looked at me like I was Leprous Queer who had kidnapped your daughter and eaten her liver.

[toycollector10]

Yep, that's going down in motorcycle history all right.....just not how they expected it to. Fugly wierd bloody thing should have a nose and mouth up the front to go with the bug eyes......

[Devil]

The more I look at it, the more I think it looks like the speed four (apart from the bars). Even the screen looks like the speed fours, but with bits chopped out of the edges.

If the brakes, handling and suspension are even AS good as the speed four, it'll be a little ripper.

[Devil]

Hrmmmmm?????

[Fatjim]

Ohh yeah, while I remember, I'm not talking to you Dave. I said hello to you in the Bristol on Friday and you looked at me like I was Leprous Queer who had kidnapped your daughter and eaten her liver.



I thought it was his son. And thats not leprosy......

[MD]

Seems most don't like the look. I will concede the headlights look too big for the rest of the bike. The concept appeals to me though. Much like the space the F800 occupies- sporty with comfort and ...different than the rest.

Wait and see what they do with the power from the D675 motor i.e. will they neuter it? If it comes in light, retaining the sharp handling of the D675 but softened a tad for more road use, and retaining ample power and priced well (ok, I mean cheap) it will be a damn good buy.
If it's close to 120hp and 165kg at $13,000 *, then you have to ask yourself why pay $23,000 for a Super Duke, Monster or Tuono that weight in around 190kg with 130hp+ (thereabouts).
* edit. I based this on reports it will be US$8000 = $10960, but I would expect more like $16k - $17k here

[Big Dave]

Seems most don't like the look.

Why most will buy one.



If it's close to 120hp and 165kg at $13,000, then you have to ask yourself why pay $23,000 for a Super Duke, Monster or Tuono that weight in around 190kg with 130hp+ (thereabouts).

I'll be very surprised if it's that price. Very.

[Devil]

Yeah, my guess will be $15.5k ish.

[MD]

Why most will buy one.



I'll be very surprised if it's that price. Very.

We might all be surprised yet Dave. The latest AMCN has Triumph Australia annoucing that it will be on sale in Nov. for ... wait for it...A$11,990 (that's about NZ$13,500).
So Triumph NZ might have some explaining to do if it retails here for more than $15,500.

[BarryG]

The cool thing about Speed Triples is if you don't like the way it looks (seldom a complaint about the way it goes :-)) they're easy to change, there's lots of bits and bobs about to bling them up any way you want. Not everyone's cup of tea when you're finished (are you ever finished?) but it's all yours. I like the look of a 955/1050 with clip-ons and a single headlight, but the 'purists' scream 'it's not a Speed Triple' or 'pansy', but it's the nature of the bike, eh?
I love mine. I love my mate's 675, too, but I'm not sure I'd be too keen on a 675 naked. Just me, tho'.
I hope you guys don't get shafted on the price - not sure how they'll be priced over here, but I'd think they need to come in quite a bit below a 1050 to be attractive.
Cheers
Barry

[El Dopa]

According to the sales guy at AMPS, NZ probably won't be seeing any of these bikes until Christmas. And it is likely that they won't be here any ready for sale until March 2008.

[MD]

According to the sales guy at AMPS, NZ probably won't be seeing any of these bikes until Christmas. And it is likely that they won't be here any ready for sale until March 2008.

By March 2008 half of us will be more interested in the 675 mobility scooter variant.

[El Dopa]

More pics and info here:

http://www.triumph675.net/streettriple.html

[deanohit]

heres some more pics to compare.dont know about the zorsts though:shit: like the faster look of the original exaust even if it looks like a crashed daytona with some speed four parts.:whocares:

[limbimtimwim]

It does look a little.. Spindly doesn't it?

But pictures are not good indicators of what a bike looks like really. 1098s look good in pictures, but great in real life. Kawa ER6 look good in pictures, a bit naff in real life. The opposite for a black Kawa Versys, crap in pictures, not half bad in real life. In my opinion.

Personally, I would very much like to see one.

Is there a modern triumph that is a stylistic dud? No, except maybe the rocket three. I don't think they'll miss their target by too much.

Heres to hoping it's cheap and not dumbed down! :drinkup:

Edit: Perhaps the bad press release pictures are on purpose, to generate controversy. Any press is good press, until someone rides it anyway.

[skelstar]

Found this pic on MCN, I haven't seen it yet so thought you guys might want a gander.

[Devil]

Hrm, looking like the perfect replacment for my speed four. In black of course...

[Devil]

Brief article to go with Sean's pic:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/July/jul2-jul9/jul0607triumphstreettriplefirstimpressions/?&R=EPI-92527

[Devil]

Oh baby oh baby, oh baby.
http://www.triumph.co.uk/streettriple/streetTripleFlash.asp?lang=en-GB

Check it out in black. I knew that'd make the styling and plastic panels fit in better (like it does on the speed four)

167kg
108PS @ 11,700rpm
69NM @ 9100

Want want want.

[skelstar]

Brief article to go with Sean's pic:
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2007/July/jul2-jul9/jul0607triumphstreettriplefirstimpressions/?&R=EPI-92527

Yeah, just thought it was too short to warrant.

Looks fab in that picture though eh?

[deanohit]

Cool shot. I see they're already been advertised on Trademe which seems a bit premature considering they're supposed to be coming end of the year.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=103865454&key=400371

[skelstar]

Generates interest though doesn't it?

[deanohit]

Generates interest though doesn't it?

Yea, I'm looking foward to it arriving, will then have to choose between a Street Triple, Suzuki GSR600, Hornet 600 or similer when I get my full.

Some other pics that I've found, looks like a fun bike.:scooter:

[James Deuce]

At last! A photo that doesn't make it look like Marty Feldman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman)

Crasherfromwayback! I'll talk to the wife and we'll discuss a deposit!

[Devil]

Yea, I'm looking foward to it arriving, will then have to choose between a Street Triple, Suzuki GSR600, Hornet 600 or similer when I get my full.

Some other pics that I've found, looks like a fun bike.:scooter:

If the Speed Four vs FZ6 vs SV vs Hornet tests were anything to go by, the street triple will be in a class of it's own (performance and price wise).

[Hitcher]

Prediction: Triumph will sell thousands of these. Possibly not in New Zealand, as the naked segment isn't as well established as it is in other markets.

[MD]

Well I think it was a mistake placing the centrestand at the rear above the number plate holder. Look at that poor bugger above trying to get it onto the stand. I guess with parking spaces being at a premium in the UK, they thought parking bikes vertically might catch on!

That black one looks fantastic. Triumph may find this baby steals sales from the 1050cc Triple though.

[Oakie]

Hmm. Looks like a cross between a praying mantis and the 'Crazy Frog'.

[El Dopa]

I just got a rush of blood to the head........

[skelstar]

Short review from MCN:


Triumph reckons the new Street Triple is an entry level model. If that’s the case, then it could attract a whole lot of people to motorcycling — and Triumph’s only problem will be persuading them to trade up to another motorcycle.

After a day spent carving up and down the Alpine foothills near Lake Garda in northern Italy on the new Triumph Street Triple, I’m struggling to think of another motorcycle I’d rather have been riding. The Triumph blends the style and character of the Speed Triple in a lighter, more manageable but still thrillingly quick and sweet-handling package.

A stripped-down middleweight streetfighter has been on the cards ever since Triumph launched the Daytona 675 last year. The Street Triple uses essentially the same 675cc three-cylinder engine and aluminium frame, and looks like making just as much of an impact.

Apart from the new exhaust and some tweaks to the injection system, the only engine-related change is a pair of softer camshafts, which boost low-rev power while dropping peak output from the Daytona’s 123bhp to 107bhp at 11,700rpm. For a middleweight the Triple was brilliant from low down. Throttle response was flawless, and when we reached the hills the motorcycle powered out of hairpins with less than 3000rpm on the clock, lifting its front wheel on demand to show that it’s almost as much of a juvenile delinquent as its big brother.

It handles well, too, with well-judged suspension rates and decent brakes. My only slight problem in corners was that, being very tall (6’4”), I found the footrests slightly high and rear-set, due to their proximity to the low seat. In other respects the Triple’s respectably practical. Its mirrors were useful; the seat was reasonably comfortable despite being quite narrow. The 17.4-litre tank should generally give a 120-mile range, traceable on the Daytona-style digital display, which incorporates a fuel-consumption reading and lap-timer.

It was a tough task for Triumph to match the Daytona 675’s impact with a naked follow-up, especially while keeping the price down to attract new riders to the marque. But in its own very different way the Street Triple is every bit as good.

It combines the Daytona’s engine performance, chassis layout, character and light weight with the Speed Triple’s aggressive naked style to make a stunningly lively and agile machine that is easy to ride and brilliant fun. Combine that with a competitive price of £5349, and it’s hard to see the Triple being anything other than a hit.

<img src="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/196287/images/triumphstreettriple1.jpg">
<img src="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/196287/images/triumphstreettriple2.jpg">
<img src="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/196287/images/triumphstreettriple4.jpg">
<img src="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/196287/images/triumphstreettriple5.jpg">

[RantyDave]

I can't afford it.

I'll have a white one.

Dave

[Devil]

Hrm, just reading stuff on the Triumph site. The specs dont mention anything about suspension adjustment, and they say only 2 piston front calipers? wtf?

I hope the suspension thing is just a lack of information and they haven't just cheaped out with non-adjustable stuff.
As for 2 pot calipers, errrr. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Oh, and Black for me please.

[James Deuce]

I prefer non-adjustable suspension. It's quite simple to sort out. Get the front setup specifically for you (springs, cartridge inserts, etc) and then go buy an Ohlins for the rear.

Done.

[Devil]

I prefer non-adjustable suspension. It's quite simple to sort out. Get the front setup specifically for you (springs, cartridge inserts, etc) and then go buy an Ohlins for the rear.

Done.


I prefer fully adjustable (errr not as far as high and low speed damping. That shit is wack!). No forking around with springs (unless you're way out of the weight range the bike was designed for), nothing to take apart. Tweak and done.

[James Deuce]

Wanna know something scary Devil? Only two (3 really) bikes I've ridden in 25 years have had anything approaching decent suspension straight from the manufacturer. Honda RC30, and Triumph TT600 (Speed 4 too of course). Everything else I've ridden could easily be improved by spending less than $2000. I'd rather the manufacturer offered their product with that less than $2k of improvements stock. How about optional springs for different sized riders for instance, as part of the purchase price? There aren't many Kiwis who aren't female that fit the weight range of a stock spring in a Gixser for instance.

[Devil]

I suppose I'm spoiled then. I'd prefer not to have to spend money on making a bike do what i'd hope it'd do straight from the factory.

Hrmmph.

[El Dopa]

Well I think it was a mistake placing the centrestand at the rear above the number plate holder. Look at that poor bugger above trying to get it onto the stand.

I think he's trying to grind a bit off the 40ft long plate holder that Triumph seem to think looks great on their stock standard bikes.

[LardEmbargo]

I can't afford it.

Arse. No, me neither :(


So anyway. I was thinking maybe a white one for during the week and a black one for weekends then.

[MD]

I think he's trying to grind a bit off the 40ft long plate holder that Triumph seem to think looks great on their stock standard bikes.

Nah. That's definitely a parking manoeuvre. Vertical parking, get used to it people. It's the way of the future.

[Devil]

I was told on Saturday that the price has been annouced. $14,995.

[James Deuce]

It's $11,999 in Aus. We're being ripped. As usual.

[Devil]

It's $11,999 in Aus. We're being ripped. As usual.

Or they're getting a hell deal...

Compares favourable with the UK price doesn't it?

Either way, I'm:
a) stoked at the price
b) concerned about what they ripped off the daytona to get it that cheap.

[007XX]

I was told on Saturday that the price has been annouced. $14,995.

OMG!!!:shit:

I want it, I want it:drool:

Now, for the illegal black market sale of my kidney!...anyone??:sweatdrop

[James Deuce]

Or they're getting a hell deal...

Compares favourable with the UK price doesn't it?



No it doesn't. Bikes are typically 10-15% more expensive in the UK new. 2nd hand they are worth chump change though.

Someone is having a laugh. The NZ dollar practically matches the Aus one. We should be paying less than $13000.

[imdying]

No way! They'll have more orders than they can fill at that price anyway... they'd be crazy to under price them.

[James Deuce]

They're competeing with Z750s, GSR600s, Bandit 650s, SV650s, etc, etc. They can't afford NOT to "under" price them.

[007XX]

They're competeing with Z750s, GSR600s, Bandit 650s, SV650s, etc, etc. They can't afford NOT to "under" price them.


Good point, although the rave reviews this little bolid is getting so far (along with the reputation the Speed Triple has always enjoyed as an all round awesome handling bike) means the resellers have huge confidence in this new item...
Triumph is very much in a class of its own with that one as far as I'm concerned...and that point was worth about .00003 of a cent I know!:o

But looking at the pricing structure they have sold other models in the past, $14500 was what I expected...

[MD]

OMG!!!:shit:

I want it, I want it:drool:

Now, for the illegal black market sale of my kidney!...anyone??:sweatdrop

Forget the kidney. You will get far more for that cute butt in your avatar :innocent:

If it is $14,995 then I reckon that's fair value for a european bike, especially compared to the other euro hooligan bikes at about $23,000 (Monster, Superduke, Tuono).

[James Deuce]

Forget the kidney. You will get far more for that cute butt in your avatar :innocent:

If it is $14,995 then I reckon that's fair value for a european bike, especially compared to the other euro hooligan bikes at about $23,000 (Monster, Superduke, Tuono).

No it isn't. It's $11,999 in Aus. It should be $13999 here which would put it into the upper end of the price range of its natural competitors which are the middleweight naked bikes. It's probably made in Malaysia anyway.

No way would a naked 675 compete with a Tuono or a top end of the range Monster, on either performance or quality.

[Devil]

I want to see one in person already.

I've got an idea. No-one buy one for the first 6 months and hope they drop the price to $11,995 like they did with the speed four (it was initially $14,995 too).

Although... after riding around on the new Tiger for a while. WANT!

[limbimtimwim]

I think people will be willing to pay a more for a bike that could be (I reserve judgement till I see it) considerably cooler/sexier than it's natural Japanese competition.

If style and brand name had no effect, there would be a shitload less Ducatis, Harleys and Triumphs on the road. Not saying they bad value for money or poor machines, but think if what life would be like if all bike purchasing decisions were based on more calculated reasoning?

[007XX]

Forget the kidney. You will get far more for that cute butt in your avatar :innocent:

If it is $14,995 then I reckon that's fair value for a european bike, especially compared to the other euro hooligan bikes at about $23,000 (Monster, Superduke, Tuono).

Good point...then since you're keen, please forward $16000 to account number: 5555 6789 2345 1256

And I'll be glad to send you the photo of that cute butt you seem to be so taken with:innocent::laugh:

[007XX]

I want to see one in person already.

I've got an idea. No-one buy one for the first 6 months and hope they drop the price to $11,995 like they did with the speed four (it was initially $14,995 too).

Although... after riding around on the new Tiger for a while. WANT!

I'm in on that scheme:yes::yes::yes:

Re: Tiger...Oh yeah! when test riding it a couple of years back (very determined NOT to change bike) we ended up going for a 4 hour ride and didn't want to hop off or give it back...Awesome bike indeed!:Punk:

[brit-bloke]

Just thought I'd add the 675 getting stunted by Kevin Carmichael, a nice little vid from MCN http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8g1Wav_HE

[James Deuce]

I think people will be willing to pay a more for a bike that could be (I reserve judgement till I see it) considerably cooler/sexier than it's natural Japanese competition.

If style and brand name had no effect, there would be a shitload less Ducatis, Harleys and Triumphs on the road. Not saying they bad value for money or poor machines, but think if what life would be like if all bike purchasing decisions were based on more calculated reasoning?

So Kiwis are obviously stupider than Aussies?

[Nefarious]

So Kiwis are obviously stupider than Aussies?

Remind me who voted for Helen Clark again will you?

[RantyDave]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IT8g1Wav_HE
Mental note - don't buy an ex-demo 675.

Dave

[limbimtimwim]

So Kiwis are obviously stupider than Aussies?Yeah, you have a point about how the aussie prices look good compared to NZ prices.

Speed Triple RRP in OZ: AUD$15,990 which is NZD$17000
Speed Triple RRP in NZ: NZD:$20,990

Things that make you go "Grr!" :)

[skelstar]

Surely its got something to do with how big the market is in each country?

[MD]

For those interested here is a short but very favourable test;

http://motorcycledaily.com/03august07_2008triumph_street3.htm

Can't say the white colour scheme does it for me or the large headlights but it still has some appeal, especially in black.

[Devil]

Lower spec brakes? oh come on! 2 pot?

[deanohit]

Mental note - don't buy an ex-demo 675.

Too true.:scooter:

[MD]

Lower spec brakes? oh come on! 2 pot?



Very light bike + short wheelbase + rider sits upright = strong brakes would have riders breaking their necks from unexpected stoppies.

I'm guessing the 2-pot are probably adequate for the bike. The stoppies in the stunt vid seem to show they work OK.

[Big Dave]

Too true.:scooter:

with a poofy windsceen.

[Big Dave]

Yeah, you have a point about how the aussie prices look good compared to NZ prices.

Speed Triple RRP in OZ: AUD$15,990 which is NZD$17000
Speed Triple RRP in NZ: NZD:$20,990

Things that make you go "Grr!" :)

Yah - tax laws and the exchange rates are a bitch.

[Devil]

Very light bike + short wheelbase + rider sits upright = strong brakes would have riders breaking their necks from unexpected stoppies.

I'm guessing the 2-pot are probably adequate for the bike. The stoppies in the stunt vid seem to show they work OK.

Well I hope so. Would suck balls getting to the track and finding their shortcomings...

[El Dopa]

Lower spec brakes? oh come on! 2 pot?

Looks like this guy (http://www.superbike.co.uk/news/triumph_street_triple_news_128201.html)is on his way over to stick a fork in your eye, then.

I'm liking it more and more. The windscreen, bellypan and seat cowl clean it up a lot, for my money. Removes a lot of the stylistic problems I had with it.

The zorsts still look a bit oversized, and the headlights aren't completely right, but I'd buy one. Hell, I'd buy two.

[deanohit]

Looks like this guy (http://www.superbike.co.uk/news/triumph_street_triple_news_128201.html)is on his way over to stick a fork in your eye, then.

Hahaha, I like it. This bike is just sounding better and better.:scooter:

[Devil]

Looks like this guy (http://www.superbike.co.uk/news/triumph_street_triple_news_128201.html)is on his way over to stick a fork in your eye, then.

I'm liking it more and more. The windscreen, bellypan and seat cowl clean it up a lot, for my money. Removes a lot of the stylistic problems I had with it.

The zorsts still look a bit oversized, and the headlights aren't completely right, but I'd buy one. Hell, I'd buy two.

I never said they were shit, but it's the usual story when someone brings out a naked version of something. Cutting costs, lowering specifications of things. Fucks me off, because I want all that shit on my naked bike!

Triumph have a good rep when it comes to using normal orientation suspension (ie, not USD) and "basic" brakes (see tt600, s4, daytona 600/650) so I expect they would have done a good job. But why bother lowering the spec?

GIVE ME THE FRUIT!

[MD]

I'm looking forward to the full tests coming out and multi-bike tests. I've seen a couple of recent magazines that have had quick spin half page reviews and they were all positive. I think it was Bike UK that said "it pulled like a 1000, and why after riding the Street triple would anyone buy the Speed Triple or any 1000 for that matter" (something like that anyway)

The Hypermotard may have the funkiest looks and the Shiver some new age techno bits, but on paper the Street III has the numbers well in it's favour (hp to kg and price)
If BMW brought out a F800R or better still a F1000R I would be in for one of those. The naked class is taking off.:banana:

[limbimtimwim]

If BMW brought out a F800R or better still a F1000R I would be in for one of those. The naked class is taking off.:banana:And, not being built to a (race) formula, perhaps we'll see more interesting bikes being made.

[El Dopa]

I never said they were shit, but it's the usual story when someone brings out a naked version of something. Cutting costs, lowering specifications of things. Fucks me off, because I want all that shit on my naked bike!

Triumph have a good rep when it comes to using normal orientation suspension (ie, not USD) and "basic" brakes (see tt600, s4, daytona 600/650) so I expect they would have done a good job. But why bother lowering the spec?

GIVE ME THE FRUIT!

It is one thing that is troubling me very slightly. I'd feel a lot happier seeing a nice pair of high-spec radials each side - same as the daytona.

Still, the taste test is going to be: 'are they adequate for stopping the bike?' Won't know that until all the test results are in, until we've had a chat to someone who's ridden one, etc.

[Devil]

It is one thing that is troubling me very slightly. I'd feel a lot happier seeing a nice pair of high-spec radials each side - same as the daytona.

Still, the taste test is going to be: 'are they adequate for stopping the bike?' Won't know that until all the test results are in, until we've had a chat to someone who's ridden one, etc.

Well i've started working on the missus already...

...not that I want to get rid of the Speed Four. Love it too much...

[El Dopa]

Brief tests from real-world users here (http://www.triumph675.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12767) and here (http://www.triumph675.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12799).

The one from the guy who's main bike is a Daytona makes interesting reading.

[MD]

Bump..
Well the good news for Welly locals is that a demo will be here in about a month and the shop confirmed the price is $15,000. I for one find that a fair price for bit of euro skirt with attitude. I bought the latest AMCN with a Street Triple test. All the vids on Youtube and net reviews available seem positive and no complaints about the low spec brakes or suspension so far.

Bring on the demo rides. Queue behind me please in an orderly fashion.

[skelstar]

Queue behind me please in an orderly fashion.
The queue has never been orderly behind you Mark.

[Hitcher]

Well the good news for Welly locals is that a demo will be here in about a month and the shop confirmed the price is $15,000.

Is this "shop" of which you speak in Kent Terrace or Vivian Street?

[limbimtimwim]

The queue has never been orderly behind you Mark.But queue FOR MD is pretty orderly.

[et al]

Is this "shop" of which you speak in Kent Terrace or Vivian Street?

It will be in Vivian St I am sure. Perhaps if anyone tries to form a queue for test ride at the other place the response might be: "far queue".

[El Dopa]

Dropped into Holeshot on the Shore this arvo.

They are apparently expecting to have one (or maybe more) onsite, in the flesh, and available for test rides 'in the next couple of weeks'.

I'm not holding my breath, but that's far sooner than I expected (AMPS told me Christmas a couple of months ago).

I've come over all funny now. Might have to go for a lie-down.

[El Dopa]

Holeshot phoned me lunchtime.

They were uncrating a street triple this afternoon to use as a demo model. It will be on their shop floor tomorrow (Sat 6th Oct).

I need to get a WOF on El Bandido anyway, so I'll be dropping in probably mid-morning for a squiz.

[idleidolidyll]

http://www.triumph.co.uk

pictures starting to float around too.

excellent!

i hated the 675 but loved the motor.

the faired bike was unbelievably uncomfortable for both me and my passenger and had they had this beast out when i was looking, i'd certainly have ridden it and quite probably bought it

[Bonez]

Can't wait till the supermarket rush dies down...................

[deanohit]

Oooohhhh, can't wait for a ride report from some one who aint bribed.

[MD]

Holeshot phoned me lunchtime.

They were uncrating a street triple this afternoon to use as a demo model. It will be on their shop floor tomorrow (Sat 6th Oct).

I need to get a WOF on El Bandido anyway, so I'll be dropping in probably mid-morning for a squiz.

Let us know what your first impressions were El Dopa. The Welly shop expects to have a demo ready within 2 weeks. I'm looking forward to sampling what is sounding like a good value all round bike.

[El Dopa]

Let us know what your first impressions were El Dopa.

Didn't have a ride, but had a good gawp and a sit on it.

Style-wise, it looks way better in the flesh than it does in the photos (but most bikes do...).

The flyscreen 'works', stylistically. Similar-ish to the speed triple, but much better looking - it doesn't just perch on top of the dual headlights like a spare prick, its moulded around them, and really works in real life 3-D. This was without the extra visor bit, too.

Rear end still looks a bit untidy - cans are a bit too big and I'm not a fan of those really long fender/numberplate/flasher combo's. But that's a minor quibble - the looks of the bike works really well as a package.

Braided brake lines seem to be standard on the front at least. Can't tell about the stoppers without going for a ride.

Seating-wise, I was really surprised at how 'upright' the riding position felt - sort of sit-up-and-beg. Wide bars. It did feel like the instruments were a long way down, if you know what I mean - like you'd have to make more of an effort to glance at your revs or speed. The upside of that is that the normal riding position seemed to be such that when you're looking ahead, you can't see any of the bike at all, not even in your lower peripheral vision.

Sitting on the bike, the footpegs felt like they were in a good position - hard to know without going for a ride, but it felt like getting your feet on and off the pegs wouldn't be any difficulty, and actually having both feet on the pegs for long periods wouldn't stick you in an uncomfortable crouch. Felt like you'd be able to ride it for a good while without getting the usual stiff legs and back (i'm 6' 2'' and a lot of that is leg).

The wheelbase seemed really short. There was a curvy sv650 sitting next to it, and that looked 'streched' in comparison. The bloke at the shop said it turned in really well. He would, but it did look like it...

Gotta take it for a test ride, but my impresion from sitting on it (for what it's worth) is that it'd be a real easy bike to ride. Style-wise, I like it a lot. One or two very minor changes, and it'd be mint.

[Devil]

It's very pretty, and as we suspected there are NO adjustments on the suspension, bar preload at the rear. None, nil, nada.

I had a quick look this afternoon. Started her up, pretty quick revving, apparently sits at about 6000rpm at 110km/hr in top (13k redline).

Feels pretty small. I think the proportions are all good. Cans look nice and tidy to me. Front is quite pretty with the curved radiator.

It'd seriously have to impress me in the brake department and suspension department for me to consider it.

[MD]

Black one turned up here. Nice to finally see one up close. Bring on the demo ride.

It's sold so us tyre kickers could only sniff, poke and sit on it. Like you two above said, it looks better in the flesh. I thought the mufflers were Ok, whereas in photos they looked ridiculously over sized for a small bike.

The handlebars are yuck. A thin little push bike bar lifted from a Warehouse kiddies push bike? They'd have to go.
The flyscreen certainly improves the look. I wonder how long the exhaust pipes will keep their sparkling chrome/silver look?
Fortunately for my wallet's sake they had it next to a red F800S, which looked much better to me - yeah, yeah, of course I would see it that way.

[Bombus]

Black naked 675, rode the other day. Didn't think the lights & screen fit in with the rest of the design, really liked the frame.. quite similar to my SV but classier, pipes too big. Whines quite loud, throttle response easier to control round tight corners & keep thinking theres another gear to go after 6. Instument panel fair bit closer in & facing up than naked SV means often can't read through reflections. Liked it quite a lot but SV has rough & ready edge & does 350 ks off same size tank so not enough plusses to change.

[RantyDave]

keep thinking theres another gear to go after 6.
My Triumph (not a 675) is a shocker for this. I've had it for ... dunno, north of a year anyway and I still keep pulling in the clutch and hitting the top of the box. It actually turned out to be quite well set up for the sprints - it didn't hit the rev limiter, basically. But another, quieter, and probably more efficient cog would not go amiss.

Dave

[Lula]

Well I am absolutely loving my roulette green Street Triple:clap:

[Devil]

Well I am absolutely loving my roulette green Street Triple:clap:

What? Did you go and buy a sensible bike over that silly Daytona?

[SteveNZ]

I got the Striple instead of my old SV650 (which was quite modified). Despite supposedly having only slightly less torque, and around 25 more bhp, the STriple doesn't seem to have anywhere near the go of the SV which is odd. Maybe it's just cos it's nowhere near as loud.

Handling is great, very precise, holds a line very well. Suspension is better than the SVs, but that's not saying much. It's not too bad, but could be better, being a fat bastard wouldn't help matters at all though, so YMMV. Brakes work very well. Fuel economy is seriously terrible, 160Km out of 14 litres, and that's with the throttle being used fairly gently (rarely over 5k rpm). The dash claims about 7.1Litres/100Km. My calculator says more like 11Litres/100Km. I'd hate to see how thirsty it'd be if I thrashed it everywhere. That said, the induction growl sounds pretty sweet.

The engine is very noisy, the exhaust is very quiet. Headlights are excellent, mirrors are good (only about 1/4 elbow), riding position is better than expected considering I'm 6'2". Underseat storage is nonexistant.

To be honest, value-for-money, I'd take the SV650 plus a few necessary tweaks (preload spacers, new can). The Striple goes in for a service next week, I'll give it a decent thrashing after that.

Bombus - How on earth did you get 350Kms out of an SV? I usually only got around 230-250. Maybe I'm just riding badly. Usually cruise everwhere with the revs around 4-5k unless needed otherwise.

Oh yeah, and there's already a recall out on the bikes. Apparently the seat doesn't have enough padding, so they've issued new ones! :)

[Devil]

I got the Striple instead of my old SV650 (which was quite modified). Despite supposedly having only slightly less torque, and around 25 more bhp, the STriple doesn't seem to have anywhere near the go of the SV which is odd. Maybe it's just cos it's nowhere near as loud.

Handling is great, very precise, holds a line very well. Suspension is better than the SVs, but that's not saying much. It's not too bad, but could be better, being a fat bastard wouldn't help matters at all though, so YMMV. Brakes work very well. Fuel economy is seriously terrible, 160Km out of 14 litres, and that's with the throttle being used fairly gently (rarely over 5k rpm). The dash claims about 7.1Litres/100Km. My calculator says more like 11Litres/100Km. I'd hate to see how thirsty it'd be if I thrashed it everywhere. That said, the induction growl sounds pretty sweet.

The engine is very noisy, the exhaust is very quiet. Headlights are excellent, mirrors are good (only about 1/4 elbow), riding position is better than expected considering I'm 6'2". Underseat storage is nonexistant.

To be honest, value-for-money, I'd take the SV650 plus a few necessary tweaks (preload spacers, new can). The Striple goes in for a service next week, I'll give it a decent thrashing after that.

Bombus - How on earth did you get 350Kms out of an SV? I usually only got around 230-250. Maybe I'm just riding badly. Usually cruise everwhere with the revs around 4-5k unless needed otherwise.

Oh yeah, and there's already a recall out on the bikes. Apparently the seat doesn't have enough padding, so they've issued new ones! :)

Sounds like yours is broken. I thrashed the tits off a Street Triple demonstrator and still got way better mileage than that. Plus it destroys the SV in all aspects. Particularly in the go department!

[MD]

Sounds like yours is broken. I thrashed the tits off a Street Triple demonstrator and still got way better mileage than that. Plus it destroys the SV in all aspects. Particularly in the go department!

I second that. I thrash the daylights out of my Daytona 675 and still get good mileage. 17.4l tank could take me 300km when running it in. Now that I can rev it I still get about 250-270 km before filling. I did find it's limit the other day running out beside Deano after doing 66km on reserve.
I love the engine whine and induction roar.

[SteveNZ]

Hmm. Maybe it does have some issue then, having been there since day one can't be good for the engine if it isn't just me doing something dumb. Oh well, shall see what the guys at Motorad have to say.

[Devil]

Hmm. Maybe it does have some issue then, having been there since day one can't be good for the engine if it isn't just me doing something dumb. Oh well, shall see what the guys at Motorad have to say.

Does it run and idle smoothly?
My Speed Four is known for being shit on the gas, but was absolutely horrendous when the master fuel mix was not set correctly.

Get them to plug it in with a gas analyser and get them to set the mix to suit.
Check the front and rear wheels spin fairly freely. Binding brakes will really stuff up fuel economy (I wouldn't expect this on a new bike, but if an idiot assembled it when it arrived in NZ...)

I'm just waiting for Ohlins to put the suspension out before picking up a Street Triple for myself.

[El Dopa]

Well I am absolutely loving my roulette green Street Triple:clap:


What? Did you go and buy a sensible bike over that silly Daytona?

Yes, looks like you have some explaining to do, girl.

If ya did swap the Daytona for the Striple, we want to know how they compare. Stop riding and start typing.

[Lula]

Yes, looks like you have some explaining to do, girl.

If ya did swap the Daytona for the Striple, we want to know how they compare. Stop riding and start typing.

Well in my books the Street Triple is definately the better bike compared to the Daytona because it is so much more comfortable to ride, still as light but lower to the ground and the power is mid-range which makes commuting easy but still heaps of fun on the open road. Sounds just as good as the Daytona. I can ride this bike for days, just did over 2,000kms in less than 2 weeks!

I'm in love:yes:

[Devil]

Yes, looks like you have some explaining to do, girl.

If ya did swap the Daytona for the Striple, we want to know how they compare. Stop riding and start typing.

Stop looking for excuses and just go buy one!

[El Dopa]

Stop looking for excuses and just go buy one!

It's no. 1 on the short-list at the moment. Test ride Sat or Mon.

[El Dopa]

So I test rode it. It's great.

The good

It's comfortable. I reckon I could do a good few K's in a day on that without getting too stiff. I'm 6'2'' (190cm in new money) so for me finding a bike with a decent riding position is important.

It handles well. It went where I pointed it, and was (for my fairly minimal skill level) confidence-inspiring in the corners. I wasn't exactly throwing it into corners, but it made me think that I definitely could throw it around good and hard with a bit more practice. Not quite as nimble as my gsf400, but a much better riding position, and therefore easier to actually shift bodyweight, etc. So swings and roundabouts.

The engine works. It makes power more or less all over the rev range where you need it. And it bloody sounds like a bike should - a nice throaty growl when I pinned it a couple of times to get past cagers. The gearbox seems to be well laid out - downshifting for 'give ways' was far, far easier than my current bike.

The bad

Not much, really. We already know about the budget suspension. But given that this model appears to be selling by the bucketload, it can't be too long before there's a few decent aftermarket options available. Brakes seemed a little soft. The one's on my current bike seem to bite a bit harder a bit quicker. Maybe an adjustment thing. Dunno really.

Apart from what other people have already flagged up, here's what I didn't like:

1) The fuelling/throttle response seemed just a little bit snatchy at low-ish 'cruising behind grandma waiting to overtake/i'm in the wrong gear' type revs - around 4K. Not snatchy enough to be upsetting, but certainly noticable and enough to be annoying.

2) There's quite a lot of vibration in the bars. Seems like the bar-end damping isn't quite sorted.

3) Coming to a dead stop in, say, 4th gear means that you have to fart about to get it back down into 1st before you can set off. You can't just stamp it down through the box. You have to change down - 4th to 3rd, let the clutch out a bit so the gear engages. 3rd to 2nd, let the clutch out a bit so the gear engages. 2nd to neutral, let the......are you getting to idea?

Don't know if that's usual on modern bikes, but on my good old 400, when you're stopped you can just click down through the box to 1st without fannying about with letting the clutch in and out. And in. And out. And......

So would I buy one? Yep. It's a great 'intermediate' bike. I'm not after a litre bike that will fire me into the nearest wall the moment I lose concentration. Or even an in-line 600 sports machine.

I want something I can ride without being crippled, that I can take on the track every few months and have a blast, that I can possibly tour on for a week or so every year, and which has a reasonably bigger chunk of 'go' than my 400. Also, something a bit 'different' to the Japanese intermediate machines, and reasonably priced. This bike fits the bill nicely for me.

Some people might quibble about the price aspect, but brand-new its in the same price bracket as a 2nd-hand Speed Triple, a 2nd-hand XB12R, a 2nd-hand Superduke, a 2nd-hand Monster, a 2nd-hand Daytona.........

All of which I've considered. Actually owning a bike that has a warrenty is to me a very attactive proposition.

Now to find the money.....

[Lula]

Glad to hear it wasn't all bad El Dopa.

Have heard what the avilablity is like on getting one of these Street Triples?

I heard that there isn't many of them around until the next shipment in June (all of which are going to be black or white models), one dealer I spoke to said he sold his demo to save people the frustration of not being able to get their hands on one earlier :drool:

[Big Dave]

The only thing I found 'wrong' with the suspension is that it is harsh. The damping fades after a real good workout and the ride stiffens up.

But that's kind of in keeping with the 'spiwit and dewing-doo' of the motorcycle anyway.

Yeah I got rough edges - but watch this - >insert stunt here.<

The stumpy exhaust sounds fantastic.

[El Dopa]

Glad to hear it wasn't all bad El Dopa.

Have heard what the avilablity is like on getting one of these Street Triples?

I heard that there isn't many of them around until the next shipment in June (all of which are going to be black or white models), one dealer I spoke to said he sold his demo to save people the frustration of not being able to get their hands on one earlier :drool:

Nah, it was 90% good, 10% bad. But the word count in my post doesn't really reflect that. And the 'bad' wasn't anything I couldn't comfortably live with.

I was told June for the next shipment, which is a pain in the arse. The demo at Holeshot on the shore isn't for sale (I asked). The only model AMPS appeared to have in stock was white (ugh).

[Devil]

So I test rode it. It's great.

The bad

1) The fuelling/throttle response seemed just a little bit snatchy at low-ish 'cruising behind grandma waiting to overtake/i'm in the wrong gear' type revs - around 4K. Not snatchy enough to be upsetting, but certainly noticable and enough to be annoying.

2) There's quite a lot of vibration in the bars. Seems like the bar-end damping isn't quite sorted.

3) Coming to a dead stop in, say, 4th gear means that you have to fart about to get it back down into 1st before you can set off. You can't just stamp it down through the box. You have to change down - 4th to 3rd, let the clutch out a bit so the gear engages. 3rd to 2nd, let the clutch out a bit so the gear engages. 2nd to neutral, let the......are you getting to idea?



1) You're going to find this quite a bit shifting from a carbed bike to a FI bike. Didn't find the Triumph to be unusual in this regard. The suzuki's i've ridden have been by far the worst. Ride a few more, you'll feel it.

2) Dont recall it standing out on my test ride (ugh, bad memory). Bigger bar ends?

3) Gearbox needs more K's to get smoother. This stuff sorts itself out after a few thousand k's (sometimes takes a while). Again it's a new bike thing really.

Agree 100% with warranty, which is why I bought my speed four new!

Now for my gripe. I'm a bit disappointed with Triumph. It appears that the fly screen was not meant to be on the stock standard off the floor bike, but available as an accessory. An $800 accessory to be exact.
Why, Triumph, has it been sold all over the world with it, but it gets to NZ and we have to pay extra for it?

My issue, is a bike that's listed at $15k on the floor, is going to be closer to $20k once I make it the bike I really want. Flyscreen, bellypan, hugger, Ohlins front and rear.
I can go pick up a brand new Daytona 675 for $17600 (even with a triumph muffler from AMPS).

What gives? This has thrown a spanner in the works for something that I was already stretching for (including the suspension).

As an aside, i've just had the Daytona 675 for the evening and I love it. Needs a decent seat but...

[Big Dave]

1) Flyscreen, bellypan, hugger,

Meh - it's what you take off a triple that makes them - not what you bolt on.
Spartan bare arse minimalism. Farkles are for v-stroms.

[skelstar]

Flyscreen, bellypan, hugger, Ohlins front and rear ...
I've not ridden a bike before/after with Ohlins, but if you have to change that much why stretch for the Striple? For $20k can't you get a Speed Triple? (Spriple?)

[Big Dave]

I've not ridden a bike before/after with Ohlins,

The single best improvement I've ever made to a motorcycle.

[Hitcher]

The singe best improvement I've ever made to a motorcycle.

I've heard of "hotting up" a bike, but that may be taking things a bit far...

Adding an Ohlins rear shock certainly transformed my FJR in a significantly positive manner.

[Big Dave]

I've heard of "hotting up" a bike, but that may be taking things a bit far...
.

Taa

'Take the L' dontchaknow.

I should have said,
Taken in isolation - the 18 hundy on a shock has had the most significant impact of any doohickey, technically speaking.

[Devil]

I've not ridden a bike before/after with Ohlins, but if you have to change that much why stretch for the Striple? For $20k can't you get a Speed Triple? (Spriple?)
Well, this is the thing. I want a middleweight. It's the engine character of the 675 that I love. The light weight, the styling (I prefer over the Speed triple). The pillion perch is a bit better too.

It's an irritation.

[Devil]

Meh - it's what you take off a triple that makes them - not what you bolt on.
Spartan bare arse minimalism. Farkles are for v-stroms.

Need I mention Triumphs tag-line?
Go Your Own Way.

Thems bits are part of making my bike, mine. Like my Speed Four. I still haven't seen another like it.

[Devil]

So I test rode it. It's great.

The good

It's comfortable. I reckon I could do a good few K's in a day on that without getting too stiff. I'm 6'2'' (190cm in new money) so for me finding a bike with a decent riding position is important.

It handles well. It went where I pointed it, and was (for my fairly minimal skill level) confidence-inspiring in the corners. I wasn't exactly throwing it into corners, but it made me think that I definitely could throw it around good and hard with a bit more practice. Not quite as nimble as my gsf400, but a much better riding position, and therefore easier to actually shift bodyweight, etc. So swings and roundabouts.



Not calling you a porky bastard, but if it's Holeshots one you rode, the rear preload is set up for someone around the 70kg range, which is why you may have found it a little slow to react. Crank it up to where it should be for you, and you'll find it a bit of a different bike. Turn quicker, feel lighter etc.

[El Dopa]

Now for my gripe. I'm a bit disappointed with Triumph. It appears that the fly screen was not meant to be on the stock standard off the floor bike, but available as an accessory. An $800 accessory to be exact.
Why, Triumph, has it been sold all over the world with it, but it gets to NZ and we have to pay extra for it?

My issue, is a bike that's listed at $15k on the floor, is going to be closer to $20k once I make it the bike I really want. Flyscreen, bellypan, hugger, Ohlins front and rear.
I can go pick up a brand new Daytona 675 for $17600 (even with a triumph muffler from AMPS)

Yes. Although I tend to think of off-the-shelf bikes as good starting points which need a few grand thrown at them to turn them from 'good' to 'excellent' anyway. I haven't seen a factory bike yet that I wouldn't tinker with to a certain extent.

For example, if I bought a new Speed Triple, or a new Daytona, I'd still throw money at them - any or all of: suspension, solo seat cowl, crash bungs, exhaust, etc etc. But my base starting price would be $2-5K higher. You're still going to spend $1500 on an Ohlins rear shock whether its for your Striple or your Gixxer.

Having said that, $800 is breathtakingly cheeky. But Ebay is a good friend (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Street-Triple-Flyscreen-w-Smoked-Visor_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6749QQihZ014QQite mZ330201491188QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW). I know there are arguments about local dealer support and so on, but $US250 against NZ$800 makes them ring a bit hollow.

[El Dopa]

Not calling you a porky bastard, but if it's Holeshots one you rode, the rear preload is set up for someone around the 70kg range, which is why you may have found it a little slow to react. Crank it up to where it should be for you, and you'll find it a bit of a different bike. Turn quicker, feel lighter etc.

Now you've hurt my feelings. I'm just festively plump, OK?

I'm probably close to 100Kg with my gear on. I thought the handling was fine - didn't have a problem with it, just thought it was slightly less nimble than my (smaller) 400.

[Devil]

Hah, yeah. But set it right and you'll find the gsf a pig!

[El Dopa]

$800 for just the flyscreen and visor is a pisstake.

British Customs aftermarket bits (http://www.british-customs.com/home.php?cat=316&sort=orderby&sort_direction=0&page=2)

Flyscreen + visor = US$239 + US$69
Seat Cowl = US$175
Belly pan = US$239

= US$722 = NZ$937 (plus shipping)

[Devil]

$800 for just the flyscreen and visor is a pisstake.

British Customs aftermarket bits (http://www.british-customs.com/home.php?cat=316&sort=orderby&sort_direction=0&page=2)

Flyscreen + visor = US$239 + US$69
Seat Cowl = US$175
Belly pan = US$239

= US$722 = NZ$937 (plus shipping)

Welcome to Triumph NZ's prices!

And thank you for that link. Another spanner in the works.
A Street is back on the cards...

[El Dopa]

Welcome to Triumph NZ's prices!

And thank you for that link. Another spanner in the works.
A Street is back on the cards...

I've got 1/2doz or so links for aftermarket bits. Will post them all up later.

[pritch]

A word about Triumphs. (I haven't read the whole thread so I hope nobody posted this already.)

BIKE magazine have wrecked the bottom end of the two Triumph engines they have had on long term test. One was a 675 the other a new Tiger I think.

They admit that in both cases the problem was low oil level and that they should have spotted it. They are somewhat embarrassed and have now taken a fairly serious look at this.

BIKE say Triumph engines are using oil at a far greater rate than any other engines currently on the market. ( I can't quote the figures, I'm at work - morning tea?)

Triumph say that the oil usage is not greater than the industry standard.
BIKE say that's true, but that the industry standard dates from the early 70s and they just did not expect that sort of thirst from modern engines.

Basically BIKE warn Triumph owners to develop a very close interest in their oil level. Place no reliance on the oil light, it will not come on before the engine is destroyed.

I post this not to piss-off Triumph owners but as a "heads-up".

[El Dopa]

A word about Triumphs. (I haven't read the whole thread so I hope nobody posted this already.)

BIKE magazine have wrecked the bottom end of the two Triumph engines they have had on long term test. One was a 675 the other a new Tiger I think.

They admit that in both cases the problem was low oil level and that they should have spotted it. They are somewhat embarrassed and have now taken a fairly serious look at this.

BIKE say Triumph engines are using oil at a far greater rate than any other engines currently on the market. ( I can't quote the figures, I'm at work - morning tea?)

Triumph say that the oil usage is not greater than the industry standard.
BIKE say that's true, but that the industry standard dates from the early 70s and they just did not expect that sort of thirst from modern engines.

Basically BIKE warn Triumph owners to develop a very close interest in their oil level. Place no reliance on the oil light, it will not come on before the engine is destroyed.

I post this not to piss-off Triumph owners but as a "heads-up".

Has been discussed before somewhere. I can't remember the details, but from memory, the consensus is/was that Bike magazine is the only mag (worldwide) that has been experiencing these problems with long-term test bikes. And having experienced a minor fault, they decided they could get milage from an 'oh-my-god-the-engine-is-fucked-look-out-everybody-danger-danger-will-robinson-the-sky-is falling' type story. Also, that they probably wouldn't have experienced these problems if they didn't thrash their long-term testers (cos they ain't theirs, so why should they care, right?) and then aggravate the problem by doing zero servicing and maintenance.

Someone else is probably able to comment in more detail - there is a thread somewhere.

[limbimtimwim]

As mentioned earlier, Performance Bikes blew up a Daytona 675 in a very terminal fashion while trying to ride it around a race track for 24 hours. It didn't make it. The GSXR did.

I don't think they ever got a good explnation from Triumph. Triumph blamed the dealer, the dealer said it wasn't them.

Though speaking for myself I couldn't care less if I was to buy a new Triumph. I would happily buy one if I liked riding it and could afford what I wanted at the time. If it blew up under warranty, I'd expect it to be fixed/replaced. And if it wasn't, they'd find themselves loosing in court.

[Devil]

Yeh, read the reports. Oil level is on my twice weekly checks anyway (not that I have one of the newer engines).

Not sure how much oil the 675 engine takes, but the speed four stores 3.8L!

[007XX]

Yeh, read the reports. Oil level is on my twice weekly checks anyway (not that I have one of the newer engines).

Not sure how much oil the 675 engine takes, but the speed four stores 3.8L!

So....are you still planning on getting the Street?

*if you do, will you forgive my heavy breathing near it :drool: :love:? :laugh:*

Fark, I sat on the one in Holshot 2 weeks ago and fell immediately hell over heels with it.

Got quite put off with the seat height and stance of the 675 Daytona. My feet could still touch the ground quite comfortably, but a few things didn't feel right...

[Devil]

I may be heading in an entirely different direction. Will confirm soon heh.

[imdying]

Has been discussed before somewhere. I can't remember the details, but from memory, the consensus is/was that Bike magazine is the only mag (worldwide) that has been experiencing these problems with long-term test bikes. The 675 that PB blew up, not withstanding :whistle:

[Devil]

The 675 that PB blew up, not withstanding :whistle:

Well that doesn't count. 24 hours without a coffee stop? Not on a Triumph *ahem*.

[El Dopa]

The 675 that PB blew up, not withstanding :whistle:

Well, I've read that that particular failure was a valve failure during a 24-hr endurance race/test (cause never satisfactorily resolved).

I'm not saying that there isn't a potential issue. But I do think that if there was a serious problem with the engine, there would be a lot more press coverage, recalls, irate owners spewing on internet forums, etc, etc.

As it is, we are talking 3 bikes: One being raced hard over a long period, and two that were being used as long-term press test bikes (and alledgedly being thrashed and badly-maintained).

[James Deuce]

Bike magazine's 675 ran out of oil and seized between services. PB weren't the only magazine to experience engine failure or excessive oil consumption during long term tests.

"Normal" people have experienced engine failure during run in - http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.rec.motorcycles/2007-05/msg08425.html

Triumph owners on a couple of forums I've looked at are really quick to shout anyone down who complains about oil consumption in excess of 1 litre/4000kms. It has 6000km service intervals, and yes I check my oil, but a lot of people don't. I'm investigating because I am almost "fiscally" intrigued by the Tiger Cub.

[pritch]

Has been discussed before somewhere. I can't remember the details, but from memory, the consensus is/was that Bike magazine is the only mag (worldwide) that has been experiencing these problems with long-term test bikes. And having experienced a minor fault, they decided they could get milage from an 'oh-my-god-the-engine-is-fucked-look-out-everybody-danger-danger-will-robinson-the-sky-is falling' type story.
Someone else is probably able to comment in more detail - there is a thread somewhere.

I don't think that thread will be completely relevant because the second engine only ran the bearings much more recently and from memory the story I mentioned is in the latest BIKE issue to reach our shores.

There is nothing sensational in the way the article is presented. The BIKE staff are, if anything, contrite and somewhat chastened. (As well they might be.)

[El Dopa]

Bike magazine's 675 ran out of oil and seized between services. PB weren't the only magazine to experience engine failure or excessive oil consumption during long term tests.

"Normal" people have experienced engine failure during run in - http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.rec.motorcycles/2007-05/msg08425.html

Triumph owners are really quick to shout anyone down who complains about oil consumption in excess of 1 litre/4000kms. It has 6000km service intervals, and yes I check my oil, but a lot of people don't.

Exactly the sort of sources of info I was obliquely referring to. Thankyou Jim.

Useful research for me as a potential Triumph owner.

However, strip away the shouting on both sides of the fence and it seems to boil down to 'if you own a new Triumph, check your oil level frequently: between services, every couple of thousand K, when there's nothing on the telly, or when you're waiting for the kettle to boil'.

And not 'OMG the 675 engine is a dog they're all going to seize and blow up the sky is falling triumph dropped the ball again still what can you expect usual shitty brit engineering better buy a jappa'.

[James Deuce]

Exactly what I was thinking.

[limbimtimwim]

It's got a dipstick. Annoying.

[Bombus]

Bombus - How on earth did you get 350Kms out of an SV? I usually only got around 230-250. Maybe I'm just riding badly. Usually cruise everwhere with the revs around 4-5k unless needed otherwise.[/QUOTE]

Done 14k & always filled up after 340.. usually taking a bit under 15l to fill. Not that careful either. Only weigh 70K so could be that. Did enjoy the 675 & would have probably gone for it at the time I got the SV had it been around, but SV doing the business fine for me now.. B

[El Dopa]

Two thoughts:

First - if I buy a brand-new Striple and it shits itself while under warrenty, it's a problem, but not as much of a problem as if I'd bought a second-hand Daytona out of warranty where it turns out the engine is a dog.

Second - I remember reading recently (sportsbike magazine) that all new bikes tend to be delivered with not-quite-as-good-as-it-could-be oil - not just Triumphs. They recommended changing the oil as soon as was reasonably possible, not necessarily waiting for the first service.

[Devil]

Second - I remember reading recently (sportsbike magazine) that all new bikes tend to be delivered with not-quite-as-good-as-it-could-be oil - not just Triumphs. They recommended changing the oil as soon as was reasonably possible, not necessarily waiting for the first service.

Heh they actually turn up empty. But all new Triumphs use Mobil 1 racing. No problem with oil quality (the warranty actually specifies it).

FWIW: Holeshot have been nothing but outstanding in dealing with warranty claims and I couldn't have asked for better service.

[Daffyd]

Bike magazine's 675 ran out of oil and seized between services. PB weren't the only magazine to experience engine failure or excessive oil consumption during long term tests.

"Normal" people have experienced engine failure during run in - http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.rec.motorcycles/2007-05/msg08425.html

Triumph owners on a couple of forums I've looked at are really quick to shout anyone down who complains about oil consumption in excess of 1 litre/4000kms. It has 6000km service intervals, and yes I check my oil, but a lot of people don't. I'm investigating because I am almost "fiscally" intrigued by the Tiger Cub.
What's this Tiger Cub you're referring to?
The only T/C I know of was a scaled down T100 in the 60's, with a 200cc motor. (There was also a 150cc model called the Terrier.)

[James Deuce]

What's this Tiger Cub you're referring to?
The only T/C I know of was a scaled down T100 in the 60's, with a 200cc motor. (There was also a 150cc model called the Terrier.)
675 Engined Tiger.

<img src=http://cycleposers.com/images/stories/bike_pics/news/triumphtiger675_2008.jpg>

"It's just a rumour".

Uh huh. Just like the Street Triple was a rumour

Bit shorter for us normal people and still has that lovely triple feel and sound and a much smaller Insurance bill than the 1050.

[Daffyd]

Funny, that. After looking, (read drooling) at a Street Triple recently I thought to meself, "Why don't they do a 675 Tiger...they could re-introduce the 'Cub' name?"
Great minds think alike.

[pritch]

And having experienced a minor fault, they decided they could get milage from an oh-my-god-the-engine-is-fucked-look-out-everybody-danger-danger-will-robinson-the-sky-is falling' type story.

I didn't read anything remotely like that. And I do read the magazine.

Two big end bearings failed in the Tiger (November '07 issue). Hardly minor I'd have thought, but I guess it depends on your perspective.

Triumph say there is no oil consumption issue with their engines...

Triumph also say the pistons in the Street Triple are a new design to reduce oil consumption. This new design will also be introduced to the Daytona 675.

The 1977 "industry standard" for oil consumption quoted by Triumph is one litre per thousand miles. As BIKE point out nobody makes bikes like that these days.

The BIKE staffer confesses to being an "utter idiot" and "rather stupid". He does write though that a bike shouldn't use half its oil between services and he just wasn't expecting anything like that sort of consumption.

The Tiger had only done 4,000 miles when the engine failed. For an oil and filter change Triumph recommend 3.2l in that engine. When it failed it contained 1.8l.

At no point did the warning light come on, nor did the engine temperature rise.

It's always a good idea to check your oil level and since reading that item I have taken a renewed interest in that particular little window on the side of my bike.

I didn't see anybody say don't buy a Triumph, but if I had one I'd consider it prudent to check the oil regularly. Perhaps even very regularly :whistle:

[James Deuce]

It's always a good idea to check your oil level and since reading that item I have taken a renewed interest in that particular little window on the side of my bike.


Funny that. Me too.

[El Dopa]

I didn't read anything remotely like that. And I do read the magazine.

Two big end bearings failed in the Tiger (November '07 issue). Hardly minor I'd have thought, but I guess it depends on your perspective.

Triumph say there is no oil consumption issue with their engines...

Triumph also say the pistons in the Street Triple are a new design to reduce oil consumption. This new design will also be introduced to the Daytona 675.

The 1977 "industry standard" for oil consumption quoted by Triumph is one litre per thousand miles. As BIKE point out nobody makes bikes like that these days.

The BIKE staffer confesses to being an "utter idiot" and "rather stupid". He does write though that a bike shouldn't use half its oil between services and he just wasn't expecting anything like that sort of consumption.

The Tiger had only done 4,000 miles when the engine failed. For an oil and filter change Triumph recommend 3.2l in that engine. When it failed it contained 1.8l.

At no point did the warning light come on, nor did the engine temperature rise.

It's always a good idea to check your oil level and since reading that item I have taken a renewed interest in that particular little window on the side of my bike.

I didn't see anybody say don't buy a Triumph, but if I had one I'd consider it prudent to check the oil regularly. Perhaps even very regularly :whistle:


OK, thanks for the details. I didn't realise that the Bike magazine test was so recent. For some reason I thought that happened months ago. I'll keep an eye out for the mag and have a read.

The 'don't buy triumph' thing was more of a personal observation - a sort of impression I formed from talking to people, reading teh internets and magazines, etc. For example, the willingness of people to bring up the single, solitary PB test again and again and again as if it is definitive, conclusive proof of something (and I had better add here that this isn't a personally directed comment at you or anyone else on this forum - it is just a personal opinion formed over the last few months).

[gsp0702]

It should also be noted that Bikes general treatment of the Tiger was less than perfect and included dropping it whilst crossing a ford in a river resulting in total immersion and left there long enough for the rider or accompanying photographer to grab a pic of bike submerged with headlights still on. And having dropped my 955i Tiger some oil was lost whilst it was on its side with engine running so that may account for some of the Oil loss between servicing, and one of my gripes with the Tiger is its use of a dipstick over sight glass which requires less faffing around to check oil nice and regularly.

[Lula]

Now you've hurt my feelings. I'm just festively plump, OK?

I'm probably close to 100Kg with my gear on. I thought the handling was fine - didn't have a problem with it, just thought it was slightly less nimble than my (smaller) 400.

Well I am about 65kgs and don't have any problems with the set-up so I guess if that is factory settings they have smallish people in mind to ride this bike. Definately one for the ladies :rolleyes:

[McJim]

Well, yeah, it's my personal opinion. Don't get me wrong - I love 95% of the styling of the new Triumphs. I just think they are (badly) let down by some of their finishing touches (rather than core elements), and that to me is a typically British way of going about things.

You don't listen to your own advice do you?

[El Dopa]

You don't listen to your own advice do you?

Yeah, I probably should have bought that miracle of modern engineering - a Ducati.

Remind me how much it cost you to get that hole plugged again? :innocent:

[El Dopa]

Well, someone mentioned a while back that they didn't think Triumph would ever bring out an 'R' version. Can't find the original post - might've been a different thread....

...Anyway, there a few rumours starting to float round regarding a limited edition '09 version with radial brakes, adjustable suspension, and all the other good fruit we were moaning about the 'street' not having.

Here's (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2008/06/triumph-street-triple-r-gets-d.html‏)one link.

The funny thing is, all the links seem to refer back to MCN as the primary source. So I'm phoning my broker to get in quick on some good deals for Siberian salt.