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[texmo]

Hey,
Does anyone here do any martial arts, I after something for selfdefence, fitness and for coordination, Ive heard that TaeKwonDo is really good plus you get to use weapons as well which is a bit of a bouns as I really wanna be able to use a sai.
Im only 17 so hopefully im not to old to pick a martial art. But if any of you do a martial art can you give me adivce on which is best?

[jazbug5]

Ah... it's really personal choice, preference and knowing what your own strengths and weaknesses are.
Personally I prefer more fluid styles like, say, Jeet Kune Do. (Which also often involves some knife/stick training, depending on the school.)
Being in Auckland, you should have a pretty decent choice. Most places will be happy for you to come along and have a look at first, plus one or two free classes to see if it's for you or not.
You are at a very good age to be taking something like this up- and you will never regret it. I wish you the best of luck with finding the right style for you...

Jaz :sunny:

[texmo]

Thanks.
Is Jeet Kune Do an offensive or definsive art?

[Marknz]

doop

//Makes a mental note not to get too drunk around jazbug5 and go for the grope or anything like that!!//

:spudwave:

[Deano]

Thanks.
Is Jeet Kune Do an offensive or definsive art?

A good martial art would have both offensive and defensive techniques. But they say the best form of defence is offense.

I think the best idea in starting out would be to decide which style might suit you best. Then have a look at a few different dojo's etc to see how they are run and what the general feeling is. Is everyone having fun would be a main point.

I don't know a lot about many of the arts, but if you are after fitness, self defense and coordination, then Muay Thai is an excellent option. You may find it is less structured and perhaps less disciplined, but the good clubs train extremely hard, if thats what you are after.

17 years is definitely not too old, I didn't start until I was 23 and was competing within 18 months. In fact I used to train with a guy that had his first bout at age 40.

There are several really good kickboxing/muay thai clubs in Aucks. Lollo Hemuli runs one of them and has trained many world class fighters.

Anyway, check around and see what suits you best.

[jazbug5]

See Deano's post.

In fact, a lot of people who get into JKD team it with Muay Thai: balance, as he says, is good (der- isn't it always, in biking & life in general too!)
Ground fighting styles are also worth exploring, since most styles of this type don't expand on that beyond a few basic moves. (It's worth noting that most real-world fights do end up on the ground.)
I believe Ninjitsu reckons to be more of an all-round style (or at least, a guy I know who does it says it is..!)
Anyway, my all-time favourite response on the effectiveness of any one approach is one given by an old teacher of mine. When asked what stance he would adopt when being attacked by several attackers with weapons (and this guy is the best fighter I've ever seen) he simply laughed and said: "The best all round stance I have ever found is 'running stance'".
Style.

Jaz

PS Mark- just don't look at me funny... grrrrrrrrr

[Ms Piggy]

PS Mark- just don't look at me funny... grrrrrrrrr
Yeah or she'll look back at ya funny with her good eye! :blah:

[Marknz]

Yeah or she'll look back at ya funny with her good eye! :blah:

:killingme :niceone:

[ching_ching]

Hi Texmo,

Don't disregard any of the Western styles either.

Western styled boxers are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world.

Working in the jails you see some hard nuts roll through now and then and I've seen crims trained in Western styled boxing knock out some really big, tough guys. Maybe its the size of the fight in the fighter but tis good to know how to use your hands.

Just one of the arts you can look at to add to your repertoire.

ching

PS 17 too young? Phhtt. Haven't hit your stride yet bro.

[spudchucka]

Maybe its the size of the fight in the fighter but tis good to know how to use your hands.
I've always found that it is not the dog in the fight that is the important thing but rather the fight in the dog that you should be wary of.

[StoneChucker]

Hiya!

I did Karate for 2 to 3 years, and I found it great! I just wish I was more fit back then when I did it, and I should really take it up again. The style I did was "Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate". What I liked was the fitness aspect, as well as the self control and self defence you learn. In Karate you also learn what are called Kata, which are controlled, organised movements. Some of them get really complicated. It's a great sense of achievement to move up through the belts.

Don't be drawn in to any one style from the "lure" of using weapons, UNLESS you purely want to learn the art form. In NZ, as I understand it, you will be arrested for carrying any sort of weapon around in public, so it's impractical if you plan to use it for self-defence, or to show your friends in public.

Oh, don't get attracted by a style that boasts of being able to break stone, or wood blocks. When last were you attacked by a seedy-looking piece of 2x4? But, as everyone has been saying, it's entirely up to you, and don't be afraid to change from one to another, if you find you don't like it.

Later,
Dave.

[Skyryder]

I used to be a Jitsu player a few years ago. If you want serious street cred there realy is only one martial art. That's ju jitsu. Nothing flashy with this style but once you have got hold of someone they history. Training is hard.

Skyryder

[Ghost Lemur]

I used to be a Jitsu player a few years ago. If you want serious street cred there realy is only one martial art. That's ju jitsu. Nothing flashy with this style but once you have got hold of someone they history. Training is hard.

Skyryder

Did a bit of Ju Jitsu in my teens. There was a japanese guy in the group. This guy would have wieghts around his feet wrists and waist. The speed and strength this guy displayed was phenominal. It's not what ya know it's how you apply it.

If I was ever going to get back into a martial art I'd look for the least westernized dojo I could find and be damned what disipline it was. Because if you learn asian style it won't matter you still be a well trained disiplined being.

Slightly OT: Anyone been to Jet Li's site and read his essays on his early years? That guy has incredible skill and has already lived about 3 lifetimes.

[カワサキキド]

The style isn't as important as finding a good teacher and dojo, visit all the dojo's around you will easily understand which ones are good after visiting just a few.

I have been looking for some traditional style martial arts here in Christchurch but all the ones I have visited seem very commercialised. Any recommendations?

[Deano]

I have been looking for some traditional style martial arts here in Christchurch but all the ones I have visited seem very commercialised. Any recommendations?

Valhalla - used to be run by Geoff Aitken, not sure if he is still there.

Geoff taught Muay Thai and later on groundfighting such as Jiu Jitsu.

I believe he trained with the Gracie family, who did Jiu Jitsu and were top of their game.

No one style is the best, and don't believe any one who says otherwise. A lot of martial artists will spout on about how their art is best, but it is simply bias.

If you look at the best ultimate fighters (no holds barred) you will generally find they have trained under various styles.

[slob]

I've done Wing Chun kung fu on and off for about 6 months total. Wing Chun prides itself on being a martial art that is no-nonsense, practical and does not require a large physique. Bruce Lee started his kung fu studies in this style too. Once you're sufficiently advanced, there are opportunities to learn how to use the staff and butterfly swords (short, broad, single bladed swords).

From what I've read, both Jeet Kune Do (Bruce's creation) and Ju-Jitsu (esp. Brazilian) are supposed to be even more pragmatic forms of martial arts.

If you really are intent on training with the Sai, then your choices are limited to the Japanese styles only.

As a final note, from my limited experience I have come to the conclusion that form by itself is not enough to be effective in combat. It's the conditioning that counts. Hope you have more discipline than I do!

[texmo]

I have been doing boxing for about 1.5 yrs now and am bored with it. I want a new martial art for street fighting. Not fitness, not disapline or any of that shit just to fight. Not so I can go pick fights just so I can defend myself. I am after a combat style which has powerful attacks none of that grappling shit either cos then ifs its 2 on 1 Ill get smashed. I am seriously considering tai kick boxing because its fast powerful attacks you learn. Either that or Jiu Jitsu.

[Deano]

I have been doing boxing for about 1.5 yrs now and am bored with it. I want a new martial art for street fighting. Not fitness, not disapline or any of that shit just to fight. Not so I can go pick fights just so I can defend myself. I am after a combat style which has powerful attacks none of that grappling shit either cos then ifs its 2 on 1 Ill get smashed. I am seriously considering tai kick boxing because its fast powerful attacks you learn. Either that or Jiu Jitsu.

Thai boxing will complement the boxing skills you will already have. Find a club that trains knees and elbows (Muay Thai not kickboxing) for greater effect.

Muay Thai can be a very destructive art, but you generally won't be taught how to maim your opponent with one strike such as some others. Muay Thai is more focussed on ring fighting, where it should stay unless your using it for self defence. If you aren't interested in being fit, forget Muay Thai.

Streetfighting is about taking out your opponent(s) as quickly as possible, and minimising damage to yourself. Most streetfights will not last more than 30 seconds, hence not so much need to be fit. And most will inevitably end up on the ground. You should therefore learn some ground fighting techniques if you want to be an all rounder.

[カワサキキド]

Valhalla - used to be run by Geoff Aitken, not sure if he is still there.
Geoff taught Muay Thai and later on groundfighting such as Jiu Jitsu.
I believe he trained with the Gracie family, who did Jiu Jitsu and were top of their game.

It was Carlos Gracie who created the Brazilian ju-justu style.
I have a Japanese friend who studied it in Tokyo.

I will go and check out his dojo, he sounds intersesting having trained with the Gracies.

The Gracie brothers are awesome in K1
"All roads lead to Tokyo dome"

[ching_ching]

I've always found that it is not the dog in the fight that is the important thing but rather the fight in the dog that you should be wary of.

Very true Spuds

[Ghost Lemur]

Geoff Aitken now has Aitkens School of Combat.

What's this Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Is it anything like Capoeira?

[Deano]

Geoff Aitken now has Aitkens School of Combat.

What's this Brazilian Ju Jitsu? Is it anything like Capoeira?

Not much like Capoeira at all. As far as I know, they weren't allowed to practice martial arts so they disguised the techniques in a dance. Capoeira uses a lot of fakes to catch your opponent off guard.

I think the main aim of Brazilian Jui Jitsu is to take the opponent to the ground, and the Gracies were more than happy to fight on their back in a position called the cradle. From here they go for an arm or leg bar, or throat choke.

I didn't think the Gracies did K1, as that is more a hybrid of kickboxing. You can't even grapple in K1, whereas in Muay Thai you grapple and drive knees to the head, body or upper legs.

I really enjoyed Muay Thai as it is one of the closest arts to full contact you can do. You aren't allowed to strike the groin, joints, or back of the head. You are now allowed to knee to the head but can't use elbows in the ring.

No shin pads or body pads, just a pair of gloves, mouthguard and 'cup'. Muay Thai conditions you to take the hard knocks, whereas some other arts you can be penalised for excessive force. You don't stop fighting when a point is scored either, you go the length of the round. Always seemed more realistic fighting to me than some other types of tournaments I have seen.

[jrandom]

Now, if this was a Merkin bike forum, someone would have mentioned gun fu by now, and recommended a nice Springfield 1911, or summat.

Being a slow, decadent, middle-class white boy with a black belt in the art of beer-glass lifting, I can't really comment on the various styles.

But back in t'day when I had the time and energy for powerlifting (sniff) I used to train at the gym downtown that Ray Sefu used (JustWorkout), and I have to say, the obvious conditioning and general functional strength on that guy was phenomenal.

[Blakamin]

Any of the weapons-based training these days is just for show more than fighting (be realistic, are you going to walk around with sai in your backpack? coz they aint light and they aint short) unless you are going to be competing in orginized events. then the only real one for that would be kendo! bloody brilliant sport. i did it during the '80s/early 90's. good for fitness and discipline.
TKD has its place as a korean un-armed combat. I did it for six years and never even saw a weapon. boxing is also good for the upper body.
try them all for a couple of years, you'll find that you will be too busy to get in a street-fight! :niceone:

[Tigger]

As the others have already said, the best way to find a martial art which is for you is to try them. Most of the schools I know have one or two introductory lessons for free. The atmosphere of the place is really important, and what keeps you coming back, or gives you the reason not to. It also depends on how formal you want the style to be, how much grappling, ground work, kicking, kata, street fighting you prefer etc. And I must admit other things like proximity to school/work have influenced me in the past.

I have been training at Seido karate here in Wellington for about the last six years, and have also trained in okinawan goju-ryu for about 4 years when I was at University. The differences in the styles weren't that great apart from Seido is full contact sparring :sweatdrop as opposed to semi-contact or points sparring which a lot of clubs seem to do. We don't use weapons much until black belt level, and the sai is a 4th dan weapon in Seido. :wacko:

I'm a bit biased of course, but I think martial arts are fantastic, they are definitely a great way to get fit, increase stamina, strength and flexibility and they give you a certain degree of confidence that hopefully will serve you well in a self defence situation. :niceone:

[texmo]

So what martial art is for me then if I want something to defend myself? Like which one teaches you to take out an opponent the quickest?

[Blakamin]

So what martial art is for me then if I want something to defend myself? Like which one teaches you to take out an opponent the quickest?

Dont do it to take out an opponent. do it for yourself, your mind and body.
you wanna take out an opponent, call the cops!... like someone said, the running stance is good!
to defend yourself, talk! conversation is your best weapon.
when everything else fails, theres no substitute for guts. stand up and take it and fight back... might cost you a few teeth (wont show you a picture of mine) this is only in a situation when nothing else works.
Martial arts wont help you in these situations because, most likely, your mind will go blank and it will be a brawl. shit, i've been stabbed, baseball batted and shot at over the years and my martial arts did fuck all! best defence is to not be there...run! if you dont, be prepared to be hurt
my 2 cents :niceone:

[Sensei]

Hey Texmo: Have been training & teaching Martial Art's for over 25y. Have tryed every style > I would say in my opinion go for a Style that has a streetfigthing base to it , Zen Do Kai ,or a Pressure point Karate , as you will be more likely to have to use it on the Street than any where else . Try as many as you can so you can find one which suit's your body type & need's Good luck Sensei NP :sly:

[カワサキキド]

Not much like Capoeira at all. As far as I know, they weren't allowed to practice martial arts so they disguised the techniques in a dance. Capoeira uses a lot of fakes to catch your opponent off guard.
I think the main aim of Brazilian Jui Jitsu is to take the opponent to the ground, and the Gracies were more than happy to fight on their back in a position called the cradle. From here they go for an arm or leg bar, or throat choke.
I didn't think the Gracies did K1, as that is more a hybrid of kickboxing. You can't even grapple in K1, whereas in Muay Thai you grapple and drive knees to the head, body or upper legs.

They enter a lot of different competitions, K1 is the most popular one in japan (excluding sumo) then "Pride", which is more suited to their style.

[カワサキキド]

Hey Texmo: Have been training & teaching Martial Art's for over 25y. Have tryed every style > I would say in my opinion go for a Style that has a streetfigthing base to it , Zen Do Kai ,or a Pressure point Karate , as you will be more likely to have to use it on the Street than any where else . Try as many as you can so you can find one which suit's your body type & need's Good luck Sensei NP :sly:
Are you located in Christchurch?

[Deano]

Martial arts wont help you in these situations because, most likely, your mind will go blank and it will be a brawl.

The point of the training is so it becomes second nature and will be a reflex action when needed. If you can think clearly at the time a good martial artist should beat most brawlers.

[Blakamin]

The point of the training is so it becomes second nature and will be a reflex action when needed. If you can think clearly at the time a good martial artist should beat most brawlers.
Thats all good and well but after 6 years of TKD and 4 of kendo and various other styles in between, it didnt help me when push came to shove... you dont get room for your 'moves' is one thing!

[Deano]

Thats all good and well but after 6 years of TKD and 4 of kendo and various other styles in between, it didnt help me when push came to shove... you dont get room for your 'moves' is one thing!

Elbows are superb for in close fighting, but you may not have trained those in TKD, Kendo etc.

Were you drunk at the time ? I know its near impossible to fight well when your'e in a state. Despite how well you think you can go with the tesosterone+alcohol mix.

[texmo]

What type of pressure point karate is there?
I just wanna know how to take someone out as quickly as possible so that sounds like a good option.
I am just looking for something to keep my body in shape I go to the gym on mon,wed,fri and jog evey morning for 20mis, Boxing helped with my speed and learning how to 'range' my punches, im just after something with a little more style to it, something with a little more complexity as boxing is boring for me now....

[jrandom]

im just after something with a little more style to it, something with a little more complexity

What it really sounds like is that you're after a chance to beat someone up.

Why not just join a Muay Thai gym, if your masochistic streak runs that deep? Do you really think that subtle differences in how you crook your little finger as you pirouette on the back foot during Tuesday evening move-to-the-music sessions are going to mean much if and when you're stupid enough to end up unable to escape from someone intent on attacking you?

Just train yourself to be as fast and strong as possible, and harden up by doing some proper ring fighting instead of poncing about in belts of rainbow colours taking bows for the audience. Be prepared to get knocked out. I hope you aren't planning on a career that'll need *too* many brain cells in twenty years time (you might like to try academia as a safe bet, just in case of injury...)

Not that I'd know, of course. Shrug.

[scumdog]

From my experience all the fancy moves/blows/holds ain't worth jack-shit in more than half the situations you are likely to be in, they all end up in a roll around grappling match with somebody who is an unknown quantity and not very co-operative and possibly slippery from rain mud or sweat.

Learn what you want but don't bank on it to 100% get you out of a "situation" - my 2-cents worth.

[texmo]

What it really sounds like is that you're after a chance to beat someone up.

Why not just join a Muay Thai gym, if your masochistic streak runs that deep? Do you really think that subtle differences in how you crook your little finger as you pirouette on the back foot during Tuesday evening move-to-the-music sessions are going to mean much if and when you're stupid enough to end up unable to escape from someone intent on attacking you?

Just train yourself to be as fast and strong as possible, and harden up by doing some proper ring fighting instead of poncing about in belts of rainbow colours taking bows for the audience. Be prepared to get knocked out. I hope you aren't planning on a career that'll need *too* many brain cells in twenty years time (you might like to try academia as a safe bet, just in case of injury...)


Not that I'd know, of course. Shrug.

I have been doing boxing for the last 1 and a half year and have had around 50 ring fights/spars so im not just after a chance to beat some one up....

[Jackrat]

I have been doing boxing for the last 1 and a half year and have had around 50 ring fights/spars so im not just after a chance to beat some one up....


I didn't have fifty fights in five years of amature boxing.
Fuck you must be good :not: :killingme

[jazbug5]

Ring fights/spars?

Perhaps what he means is he's done a lot of sparring sessions rather than all ring bouts..?
BTW; no matter how good you are, never, ever look for fights, and never, ever make the mistake of being too cocky. There are no rules in streetfighting. It's messy and unpredictable and best avoided; as someone said before, psychology- talking- is best. Stand in a nonconfrontational way, talk, don't wave your hands about, and try to defuse the situation. Much more intelligent, and less likely to end up in hospital/court.

[texmo]

Ring fights/spars?

Perhaps what he means is he's done a lot of sparring sessions rather than all ring bouts..?
BTW; no matter how good you are, never, ever look for fights, and never, ever make the mistake of being too cocky. There are no rules in streetfighting. It's messy and unpredictable and best avoided; as someone said before, psychology- talking- is best. Stand in a nonconfrontational way, talk, don't wave your hands about, and try to defuse the situation. Much more intelligent, and less likely to end up in hospital/court.

Yer I have done a tonne of sparing.
I am not doing this to go look for fights im jsut looking for something to defend myself with for more confidence........

[Blakamin]

Yer I have done a tonne of sparing.
I am not doing this to go look for fights im jsut looking for something to defend myself with for more confidence........
stay home :lol:
or buy a pit-bull

[Hitcher]

Personally I am an exponent/advocate of Rah Nah Wai, a simpler form of the styles Rah Nahn Hyd and Rahn Bambirahn. I am one of those old fashioned people who likes to be out when trouble comes knocking...

[Blakamin]

Personally I am an exponent/advocate of Rah Nah Wai, a simpler form of the styles Rah Nahn Hyd and Rahn Bambirahn. I am one of those old fashioned people who likes to be out when trouble comes knocking...
:killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme :killingme

brilliant! :niceone:

[Dr Bob]

Hi all

A fair variety of dialogue has already been added, and I don't want to bore you with repetition so I'll keep it brief.

TKD offers a good combiniation of Fitness, Flexibility, and Conditioning. The Instructor DOES matter, my first instructor had us do self defence from Aikado, and fitness training from Capoeira- this multi-disciplinary approach was very useful. Don't get too hung up on the merits of a particular style, although I was doing WTF TKD, I have also competed in open Karate tournements and done a year of ITF and another of GKR Karate, and I think that the 'politics' can sometimes get in the way. I started martial arts just before I turned 30, I hope to get back into it full strength soon and get my blackbelt before I turn 40. TKD normally doesn't do a whole bunch of weapons, mainly knife defence and short and long bo (a piece of wood). On the other hand if you think you want to do Gung Fu or Karate to use weapons then you will have a bit of a wait before you get to do them. Most beginners in nearly all martial arts spend an inordinate amount of time doing very trivial things - it takes a true martial arts candidate to realise that the basics are important.

As far as getting into fights - I have never been in one (although in full contact (WTF) and controlled contact (Karate) competition sparring I have both dished up and taken an awful lot of action). I do not hesitate to suggest that I probably would have been in more fights on the street, to my own detriment, if I had not being doing martial arts.

[Devil]

Wing Chun is great for very close quarters fighting, very in your face style. As someone mentioned earlier its a no bullshit art. Straight to the point and very effective.

[MrMelon]

I've been doing Wing Chun since the start of the year and i'm enjoying it so far. It seems quite practical.

[Marmoot]

Watch Dragonball Z, man! Good stuff!
Almost mastered how to fly: i can jump higher now.
very very recommended :mellow:

[texmo]

stay home :lol:
or buy a pit-bull
I have a 48kg doberman :shifty:

[texmo]

SO after this I still have no idea...... which form of karate involves pressure points?

[Sensei]

Texmo : You will need to found a " Ryu Kyu Kempo " Club if you are wanting to learn Pressure Point Karate . There is a club in Hamilton called the
"Quantim Centre" run by Ian Wait 7TH Dan . All so American Kenpo teaches Pressure point but not till you get over Black Belt & above Hope this Help's I think Wing Chun would be a great Form to study. As this is what I first started while learning Jee Kun Do . If you need to know anything more email me . Sensei

[Ghost Lemur]

Your lucky your in Auckland. Lots of choices.

Nobody's mentioned it yet, so I will. Wu Shu (sp?)

Although I hear it's been serverly westernized in recent years.

Slightly OT: What do you practitioners of the Arts believe is a good early age to get started? Obviously it'll slightly vary for the indervidual. But I'd quite like to get my sons into it. Not only for the fitness, self defense sides, but more importantly for the self disipline and self control.

[texmo]

As wit hanything the younger the better plus when they get to be 15 or so and start going to parties they wont get bottled cos the will be able to deck the person before they know whats happened.... just what every parent wants.......

[jrandom]

As wit hanything the younger the better plus when they get to be 15 or so and start going to parties they wont get bottled cos the will be able to deck the person before they know whats happened.... just what every parent wants.......

*This* parent just wants them to stay home on Saturday nights and get to bed at a sensible time, TYVM.

[bungbung]

Everybody wing chun tonight?


I've been doing Wing Chun since the start of the year and i'm enjoying it so far. It seems quite practical.

[texmo]

*This* parent just wants them to stay home on Saturday nights and get to bed at a sensible time, TYVM.

Sad, keeping your kid athome when they wanna go out, Stuff watching tv on friday nite when theres partys to be had

[jrandom]

Sad, keeping your kid athome when they wanna go out, Stuff watching tv on friday nite when theres partys to be had

Who says there'll be an idiot box for them to watch?

[texmo]

Who says there'll be an idiot box for them to watch?

OWWWWW sad guy do I spose you dont lock them up in a box do you?

[Jackrat]

As wit hanything the younger the better plus when they get to be 15 or so and start going to parties they wont get bottled cos the will be able to deck the person before they know whats happened.... just what every parent wants.......

Yeah,the common misconception that.
The reality is they run into a Wayne Doyle or John Sarach and get the snot punched out of them. :laugh:

[texmo]

Yeah,the common misconception that.
The reality is they run into a Wayne Doyle or John Sarach and get the snot punched out of them. :laugh:

Ahhh who is that? :spudwhat:

[jrandom]

OWWWWW sad guy do I spose you dont lock them up in a box do you?

Well, at the moment, they get bundled into their cots with a goodnight kiss and a bottle of toddler formula at 7:30 every night.

When they're 17... hmmm.

[Zed]

Who says there'll be an idiot box for them to watch?
I'm not the only one in Auckland without one? :spudwhat:

[Bandito]

I used to be a Jitsu player a few years ago. If you want serious street cred there realy is only one martial art. That's ju jitsu. Nothing flashy with this style but once you have got hold of someone they history. Training is hard.

Skyryder
TOTALLY agree most martial arts are sport based and are great in a controlled
situation (tae kwon do being an example) but the problem is they are next to hopeless on the streets. Joe thug will not withdrawl his fist from your face if your block is to slow like you would in a dojo. Ju jitsu is not sport based an very relevent to a situation you might experience on the street. I spent many years working on doors for extra income and have benefited more from 3mounths ju jitsu training than 3 years karate(seido) training. and yes traing is hard and prepare to be hurt.

[Jackrat]

Ahhh who is that? :spudwhat:

Two of the scaryest fuckers you could ever hope not to run into.
Both currently doing life for murder.
The point I'm trying to get across here is that heaps of young guys think they can study/practice martial arts and it's going to help them on the street :rolleyes: .Some people like the guys mentioned you can hit with what ever you like and they just hurt you more for it.
Doyle is the Prezz of the Head Hunters and considered by most coppers and screws as the most dangerous man in NZ.
Neither of those guys have ever had anything to do with martial arts,their just nasty bastards.Any Martial art is good if you keep it in context but if you think it's going to turn you into a hard man,forget it.Personaly as a skinny white boy I always found learning how to read situations an get the fuck out of there has saved my ass heaps of times.I mean come on who's going to face up to the average 150kg coconut,You just can't hurt the buggers.
I know I've tryed a couple of times and got flogged.
Also the guy that bottles you probably won't do it from in front of you and he sure as hell won't tell you first.The highway 61 member that stabs you while his mate distracts you won't tell you either.
Mate I've been stabbed,and bashed with a lump of 4x2, and a steel rubbish bin lid of all bloody things(remember them,very hard things)none of them gave any warning or came from in front.
Good luck with your search for a suitable martial art but keep your eyes open an know when to just leave the situation.

[texmo]

Two of the scaryest fuckers you could ever hope not to run into.
Both currently doing life for murder.
The point I'm trying to get across here is that heaps of young guys think they can study/practice martial arts and it's going to help them on the street :rolleyes: .Some people like the guys mentioned you can hit with what ever you like and they just hurt you more for it.
Doyle is the Prezz of the Head Hunters and considered by most coppers and screws as the most dangerous man in NZ.
Neither of those guys have ever had anything to do with martial arts,their just nasty bastards.Any Martial art is good if you keep it in context but if you think it's going to turn you into a hard man,forget it.Personaly as a skinny white boy I always found learning how to read situations an get the fuck out of there has saved my ass heaps of times.I mean come on who's going to face up to the average 150kg coconut,You just can't hurt the buggers.
I know I've tryed a couple of times and got flogged.
Also the guy that bottles you probably won't do it from in front of you and he sure as hell won't tell you first.The highway 61 member that stabs you while his mate distracts you won't tell you either.
Mate I've been stabbed,and bashed with a lump of 4x2, and a steel rubbish bin lid of all bloody things(remember them,very hard things)none of them gave any warning or came from in front.
Good luck with your search for a suitable martial art but keep your eyes open an know when to just leave the situation.

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......
I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton from a friend for $80 yesterday apparently if u wack them with the batton it breaks their bone plus it can fit (just) into my jeans back pocket. Most of the fights the occour around me you get a warning its mostly talk and if no one backs down then its all on its just a male macho thing at my age......

[jazbug5]

So: when you get hit over the back of the head by one of their mates and one of your 'toys' comes flying out of your hands, what do you think they're going to do to your face with it?
Just a thought.

[texmo]

Well noe smack with that police batton breaks a bone so a hit to the head will smash my skull and cause serious brain damage and then the other guy will work on me with the knuckel duster breaking my noise and smashing a few of my teeth out.

[jrandom]

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......

Hmmm.

Can I make the polite suggestion that, long-term, you might have done better to cultivate acquaintances in the AD&D-playing thick-glasses genre?


I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton

You get caught munting someone up with those, matey, and you're going to have to answer a few questions about why you were carrying them around...

[spudchucka]

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......
I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton from a friend for $80 yesterday apparently if u wack them with the batton it breaks their bone plus it can fit (just) into my jeans back pocket. Most of the fights the occour around me you get a warning its mostly talk and if no one backs down then its all on its just a male macho thing at my age......
What are you trying to become - some sort of Mr Miagi martial arts guru or a common garden variety of street thug?

Carrying knuckledusters and expanable batons will get your arse locked up for possession of an offensive weapon. Using them on someone will get you locked up for assault with a weapon, assault with intent to injure, aggravated wounding, manslaughter, murder.

Running labels you a coward?? Standing and fighting could get you labeled DEAD! Regardless of how many fights you have had there is always someone who will take you out when you least expect it, I've seen it happen sooooo many times. You need to grow up some!

[Gixxer]

They enter a lot of different competitions, K1 is the most popular one in japan (excluding sumo) then "Pride", which is more suited to their style.

Have not seen the gracies in the K1, but I have seen hoyce Gracie in the ultimate fighting champoin vids, and that dude is nasty, I think he won the first 2 or 3 of them, and he faught against most styles around including straight up street fighters.

[scumdog]

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......
I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton from a friend for $80 yesterday apparently if u wack them with the batton it breaks their bone plus it can fit (just) into my jeans back pocket. Most of the fights the occour around me you get a warning its mostly talk and if no one backs down then its all on its just a male macho thing at my age......

The cemetery is full of dudes that did not want to be labelled 'coward', I am not convinced you ain't trolling with your talk of carrying weapons but on the premise you ARE carrying these toys then best you follow spudchuckas advice, furthermore, despite the feeling of 'invincibility' the baton and knuckleduster might give I can tell you this for a fact, - I have seen an expandiible baton bent on the arm of a guy determined on creating mayhem and he did not stop, likewise with the knuckleduster, unless you surprise your 'attacker' he only has to focus on the hand with the duster in it, once he has that arm you're toast - unless you are stronger than him and know some fancy moves.

[Gixxer]

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......
I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton from a friend for $80 yesterday apparently if u wack them with the batton it breaks their bone plus it can fit (just) into my jeans back pocket. Most of the fights the occour around me you get a warning its mostly talk and if no one backs down then its all on its just a male macho thing at my age......

Why would you stand around waiting for a street fight, at your age you should be thinking about picking up chicks, and having your way with them, you have to get as much in as you can whilst your young. wait for the other mugs to start fighting then sneak out with one of there women.

[texmo]

Yer well thats how it all starts 2 guys 1 gal.....
BTW I only brought the knuckel duster and batton for a bit on fun.. ( I dont carry them around with me ...)

[scumdog]

HINT:sell your toys and invest in spelling lessons, you'll be better off for it.

If you tend to get into strife at parties (1) stay sober, (2) keep your mouth shut (3) keep your hands to yourself and (4) keep the laces of your running shoes done up - and just enjoy the party. :2thumbsup

By breaking a few of the above rules I succeeded in scarring my once handsome dial, - and a moustache can only cover so much!! :o

[texmo]

HINT:sell your toys and invest in spelling lessons, you'll be better off for it.

If you tend to get into strife at parties (1) stay sober, (2) keep your mouth shut (3) keep your hands to yourself and (4) keep the laces of your running shoes done up - and just enjoy the party. :2thumbsup

By breaking a few of the above rules I succeeded in scarring my once handsome dial, - and a moustache can only cover so much!! :o


Both my front teeth have little chips out of them in the middle :whocares:

but i do keep my mouth shut and hands to myself unless someone hits me...
mainly because you dont know who their friends are... btw I have dyslexia so spelling is a bit of trouble..

[scumdog]

Both my front teeth have little chips out of them in the middle :whocares:

but i do keep my mouth shut and hands to myself unless someone hits me...
mainly because you dont know who their friends are... btw I have dyslexia so spelling is a bit of trouble..

So which rule did you break to get hit in the first place? and yes, I too have 'lysdexia' but I guess not as bad as you - or maybe being an old fart I have got around it. :msn-wink:

[Jackrat]

I dont like to back down tho I have had 12 street fights I think not many compared to a lot of people I know, but the trouble with running is your labled a coward......
I just brought a knuckel duster and a fold out :Police: batton from a friend for $80 yesterday apparently if u wack them with the batton it breaks their bone plus it can fit (just) into my jeans back pocket. Most of the fights the occour around me you get a warning its mostly talk and if no one backs down then its all on its just a male macho thing at my age......

Doyle beat a guy to death with a steel bar,the dead guy had a baseball bat.
And it's a male wanker thing,not macho :no:
Good luck your going to need it.

[Angry Puppy]

Nah mate. if you really want to learn to fight propper, like, don't bother with this training shit. What you do is get your friendly local sparky to sort you out with a 3-pin plug in the back of your head. Wire it up to your PC (Cat 5 works best) and download all you need off the internet. You can get some good stuff free of of Kazaa. When you wake up in the morning it will be, like, "I know Kung Fu"! Sorted :niceone:

FB

[scumdog]

You guys seem a tad cynical with this dudes predicament - and so say all of us!!

He seems maturity-challenged

[Blakamin]

Nah mate. if you really want to learn to fight propper, like, don't bother with this training shit. What you do is get your friendly local sparky to sort you out with a 3-pin plug in the back of your head. Wire it up to your PC (Cat 5 works best) and download all you need off the internet. You can get some good stuff free of of Kazaa. When you wake up in the morning it will be, like, "I know Kung Fu"! Sorted :niceone:

FB
C'mon FB, we all know you need at least 4 pins for a cat5 cable to work properly!

[Firefight]

hey Texmo, have just caught up on this thread, Have not meet you,so I don,t know you,, but am a bit concerned at where you are coming from, I sort of get mixed messages from when you started posting to now.

Fighting in not everything,Fighting is bullshit There is a wealth of life experience in this thread, I guess you have figured we have a few GD cops here, listen to what they are saying mate !,they see some shit !, and guys like Jack, slightly older guys who have been around(no offense intended Jack), When I was a bit younger I used to think it was pretty Cool to get in fights,thats a long time ago, but times have changed since then, we had rules then, man there are no rules now.

Its cool to do things to build body strength and personal discipline, but man, my advice if you want it , get rid of the batton, get ride of the knckle duster, thats crap.change you outlook on life before you get hurt.

F/F

[vifferman]

I truly believe vilence is not the answer. The wise man avoids trouble when he can and when he can not he uses reason not force.

[scumdog]

Texmo my man, listen to what the old heads on this site are saying, keep away from street fighting, brawl etc, your body will thank you when you're older, believe me.
Many a young dude has died or been brain damaged in fight that started over nothing and had too much pride to walk (run?) away, all kidding aside, we ARE trying to steer you in the right direction.

[Blakamin]

Texmo my man, listen to what the old heads on this site are saying, keep away from street fighting, brawl etc, your body will thank you when you're older, believe me.
Many a young dude has died or been brain damaged in fight that started over nothing and had too much pride to walk (run?) away, all kidding aside, we ARE trying to steer you in the right direction.
Too Right... i can PM ya a photo of my teeth if you dont believe it!

[texmo]

So you all think I should never have a fist fight and throw away all my toys?
Does that mean I should pack rock salt into shot gun shell, saw then ends off my under and over and carry that around under my jacket?

[Mongoose]

So you all think I should never have a fist fight and throw away all my toys?
Does that mean I should pack rock salt into shot gun shell, saw then ends off my under and over and carry that around under my jacket?

Not at all, it means use your brain not your brawn. At the end of a fight, what has been proved? That one dude can punch/kick.gauge, harder than the other and the original disagreement has not been sorted out at all. Learn to take any shit on the chin(figuratively) and carry on with life.
Also remeber in any sort of street fight there is no such thing as a clean fight, its who ever is left standing that is the winner, so its the guy that uses "dirty" tricks that wins

[texmo]

Yes. But the loser might have more firends so the winner in the end gets smashed

[Mongoose]

Yes. But the loser might have more firends so the winner in the end gets smashed

Naaa, better off keeping your pretty boy looks for all the sheila's to admire.
Work on your theory, the winner gets a smack around, so he goes and gets more bigger mates to deal to your mates, etc etc etc

[Firefight]

So you all think I should never have a fist fight and throw away all my toys?
Does that mean I should pack rock salt into shot gun shell, saw then ends off my under and over and carry that around under my jacket?


Firstly, I would not call batons and knuckle dusters toys, why ask for advice if you don,t inttend to follow it ! as for your last coment, I tend now to think as others, maybe you should grow up. I hope you do before you get hurt or worse., thats my last comment to this thread.

F/F

[jazbug5]

Yeah, mate- really. You're beginning to sound a little troll-like. Listen to your uncles and aunties here. They're having to repeat themselves far, far too much... and this is all good advice.
That thing you use to balance your basball cap on? It's also a marvellous instrument for this thing called 'thinking'. It may hurt at first, but it's well worth getting into the habit.
A small personal anecdote: when I was a young girl (younger than you are now) I used to live a bit of a dangerous life. I carried a flick knife to protect myself. The one time I needed it? Couldn't get to it.
Woke up with some guy kneeling on my chest.
However, I learned something: I had to use my wits, and I used psychology to resolve the situation. If I had had the knife where I could get it at that moment, I don't think I'd look quite the same as I do now.
I got rid of the knife.

Were you bullied at school, by any chance? You seem to be looking for revenge for something rather than just wanting to be safe and watch your back...

[jrandom]

Were you bullied at school, by any chance? You seem to be looking for revenge for something rather than just wanting to be safe and watch your back...

Nooooo, I don't think Mr Tex is revenge-driven. I understand where he's coming from. I've been there.

texmo, I think the good chaps and chapesses here are all correct inasmuch as you need to grow up before you get yourself hurt. Listen to Auntie Bug and Old Man Dave. Hurry up and finish bursary and get yourself into an environment that isn't populated by moronic, puerile losers. It'll help a lot.

[scumdog]

So you all think I should never have a fist fight and throw away all my toys?
Does that mean I should pack rock salt into shot gun shell, saw then ends off my under and over and carry that around under my jacket?

Nah, rock salt disintegrates into dust with the shock of been fired out of the gun, only would hurt anyone under 10 metres away.

In any event, you sure as hell don't like the advice you're been given on this site, try trolling on another.

For the last time, follow my earlier rules and don't go to parties inhabited by knuckle-dragging slack-jawed mouth breathing oxygen theives, find one where people have a brain and use it, not abuse it.

And grab a shitload of maturity :bye:

[Deano]

A small personal anecdote: when I was a young girl (younger than you are now) I used to live a bit of a dangerous life. I carried a flick knife to protect myself.

And you seemed such an innocent wee thing Jaz. If you can paper cut your eyeball, imagine what you might do with a flickknife...

[spudchucka]

So you all think I should never have a fist fight and throw away all my toys?
Does that mean I should pack rock salt into shot gun shell, saw then ends off my under and over and carry that around under my jacket?
Carry something like that and you'll find yourself the recipient of a 180 grain sleeping pill!

[ching_ching]

Why would you stand around waiting for a street fight, at your age you should be thinking about picking up chicks, and having your way with them, you have to get as much in as you can whilst your young. wait for the other mugs to start fighting then sneak out with one of there women.

Ahhh, master you are indeed skilled in the ways of the force.
:msn-wink:

[texmo]

I think jrandom is the only one on the ball here.
For most of the part im just haveing you on... I do own a shotgun, a 223 and a 303, I also have the batton, knuckel dusters and a balisong but I would NEVER use them on some one I just to be honest love the feeling after you win a fight like I said before Ive had a few lost some won some but the parties (most of them any way) that I go to dont have "thugs" cos I dont mix with that group.
BTW Jrandom I aint doing busary cant handel another year at school gonna leave after this year and taking up an apprentiship as a sparky for my dad for one year. then im most likely to join the navy and finnish my apprentiship there and do my dive masters..... probly any ways, unless something better comes along :big grin:

[texmo]

Ahhh, master you are indeed skilled in the ways of the force.
:msn-wink:
Oh I have a G/F :eek:

[Deano]

I just to be honest love the feeling after you win a fight like I said before Ive had a few lost some won some but the parties (most of them any way) that I go to dont have "thugs" cos I dont mix with that group.


Ive decided your a dickhead - Tried to give some helpful advice but turns out you are a tosser.

If you love the feeling of winning a fight, get in the ring (where it belongs) and do it against someone your own size who has also done some training, not during some alcohol induced brawl.

[jrandom]

I think jrandom is the only one on the ball here.

I'm still young enough to remember what it feels like...


I do own a shotgun, a 223 and a 303

I was about to ask how you managed this, but then I checked in my copy of the Arms Code and realised that you can get a licence at 16, not 18. Good on ya.


to be honest love the feeling after you win a fight

You'll be a better man if you learn to live without it, though.


I aint doing busary cant handel another year at school gonna leave after this year and taking up an apprentiship as a sparky for my dad for one year. then im most likely to join the navy and finnish my apprentiship there and do my dive masters

You've got things more sussed than most of the 17-year-olds I've run across.

[texmo]

Yer well I decided I didnt want to be a bum I want to earn my way in life own my own house ect... and so I decided to sit down every day for 2 hours until I found out what I wanted to do and it worked ^^;
Im going to use my 303 on saturday afternoon gonig camping with some boiled patotoes up at mungawhai. place them around and wait for the :Police: .. i mean pigs to come eat them and then we have wild bore on the spit on sunday nite :big grin:

And I say to you deno your a wanka you cant say you have lived if you havent done a few things one of thoes is had a few fights, I dont want to learn to fight just to kick someones ass it jsut so I know I have the abbility, this is my drug, I dont touch drugs I do other shit I tramp, hunt, snowboard, downhill racing on my coyote, I love addrilen I can think of much worse things to do than fight I dont steal I dont commit crimes Im probbly less of a wanker than you.....

[Deano]

And I say to you deno your a wanka you cant say you have lived if you havent done a few things one of thoes is had a few fights,

You obviously haven't been reading my posts - you haven't got a clue.

I am however happy to give you a learn if you want it that bad....

[Gixxer]

then im most likely to join the navy and finnish my apprentiship there and do my dive masters..... probly any ways, unless something better comes along :big grin:

Ask sAsLEX about finishing your apprentiship in the Navy, when I left they had axed all apprentiships, good life however, and if you want to learn about pub brawling and street fights, you will more then likely get some tough schooling.
also, 'a girl in every port' is about right.

[texmo]

Ask sAsLEX about finishing your apprentiship in the Navy, when I left they had axed all apprentiships, good life however, and if you want to learn about pub brawling and street fights, you will more then likely get some tough schooling.
also, 'a girl in every port' is about right.

lol

Also Deno werent you just calling me a dickhead for wanting to fight people when I have had traning and them havent and you said pick fights with people the same size.... your what a martial arts expert ( or you think you are) and your like twice as old as me.

[Gixxer]

Ahhh, master you are indeed skilled in the ways of the force.
:msn-wink:

Many young Jedi I have trained, yes.

[texmo]

So gixxer how long were you in the navy for?

[texmo]

BTW how here thinks that having fights is an invalubale lession in the proccess of growing up?

[duckman]

BTW how here thinks that having fights is an invalubale lession in the proccess of growing up?
hmmmm I'm not going to say that I haven't fought before but at your tender age, you've already had at 5 times as many fights as I've had in my entire life... and I'm 30!!!

Fighting isn't everything, in fact once you grow up it's nothing. :calm:

[Blakamin]

Fighting isn't everything, in fact once you grow up it's nothing. :calm:
Exactly!

How would fighting help you grow up, texmo?, unless you wanna join the mongrel mob or be the 'hard-man' when you're in jail

[gav]

ahhh.... first rule of fight club?

[jrandom]

(to Deano)... your what a martial arts expert

Chuckle.

texy boy, you better go have a read of Deano's post history, or summat.

[rodgerd]

Hey,
Im only 17 so hopefully im not to old to pick a martial art. But if any of you do a martial art can you give me adivce on which is best?

Well, if you're too old, I'm fucked. My wife and I started judo a month and a half ago; I'm 31.

Why judo? I'm not really interested in a striking art like boxing; the focus is on damage. In the real world, that can spell trouble (a claim of "self defence" won't cover you if someone takes a swing at you and you break a few of their ribs), whereas grappling styles give you more options to subdue someone legally and without criplling them.

Judo also has a strong competitive element, which is a good test fo skills, and also helps weed out crappy dojos, since it'll be obvious is they o a half-arsed job of teaching.

The only other styles I would considered were Greco-Roman wrestling, Ju-Jitsu, or Aikido.

[rodgerd]

Any of the weapons-based training these days is just for show more than fighting (be realistic, are you going to walk around with sai in your backpack? coz they aint light and they aint short) unless you are going to be competing in orginized events. then the only real one for that would be kendo!

And, of course, fencing (my wife was a serious fencer in her teens).

[spudchucka]

I dont commit crimes Im probbly less of a wanker than you.....
Fighting in a public place, assault, possession of weapons - you are a wanker a dickhead and very likely a criminal waiting to happen. Hopefully you fuck up very soon and get hauled into court, then that will screw your aspirations of joining a defence force.

[spudchucka]

BTW how here thinks that having fights is an invalubale lession in the proccess of growing up?
You could learn a lot from receiving some outrages hiddings - your day will come!

[spudchucka]

whereas grappling styles give you more options to subdue someone legally and without criplling
I've had plenty of full on tough dudes crying like babies from a well executed wrist lock. Much more effective and far less messy than trying to knock someones lights out!

[Blakamin]

And, of course, fencing (my wife was a serious fencer in her teens).
Of course... forgot that one! :doh:

[Holy Roller]

then that will screw your aspirations of joining a defence force.may be not the French Foreign Legion

[jazbug5]

And you seemed such an innocent wee thing Jaz. If you can paper cut your eyeball, imagine what you might do with a flickknife...

God, I know; and if I had a brain I'd be nearly as dangerous as...as... well, Tex here..! ;)

[spudchucka]

may be not the French Foreign Legion
They are welcome to him, in fact we should encourage the young fella to export himself.

[Deano]

Also Deno werent you just calling me a dickhead for wanting to fight people when I have had traning and them havent and you said pick fights with people the same size.... your what a martial arts expert ( or you think you are) and your like twice as old as me.

Bit hard to comprehend what your trying to say there, but my point was if you enjoy fighting, get in the ring or do some other form of competition.

The reasons being:

You fight against someone with similar training and experience levels. I.e. a fair fight.

You don't have to worry about a weapon being used on you unexpectedly.

You don't have to worry about their mates jumping you from behind or 'paybacks'.

You wear a mouthguard - ask any street brawler to smile.......

Its legal.

Age has little to do with it - I got the biggest hiding of my life when I was 25 from a 17 year old. His fellow club members told me later he was a 'freak'. He is now fighting professionally in Oz.

I wouldn't class myself as an expert, but I know a lot about Muay Thai and have to say I am proud of what I achieved while I was competing. Pinnacle was fighting for the North Island super middleweight title.......I lost on points.

I only took up the sport as I was getting bullied by someone in my circle of friends so I was no 'natural'.

What gratification do you get from beating someone up at a party, especially if they are pissed ? Look cool in front of your mates ? I tell you that is nothing compared to the feeling of winning in front of 800-1000 people.

Streetfighting is pretty dumb if you ask me - you are more likely to get seriously hurt, or arrested. It may be hard to do, but talk your way out if possible or walk away. Your real mates will know what your capable of and it takes a bigger man, not a coward to do this.

Whatever you decide to do, please only use it in self defense as otherwise you will give others a bad name. Also, to stay inside the law, you can only respond with like force, as in just enough to save yourself or others. If you go overboard and get caught, the judge will throw the book at you, especially if it comes out that you train in martial arts.

BTW - how do you know my age ? I didn't put my DOB in my profile.

[Deano]

I've had plenty of full on tough dudes crying like babies from a well executed wrist lock. Much more effective and far less messy than trying to knock someones lights out!

Saves your knuckles too !

[scumdog]

I've had plenty of full on tough dudes crying like babies from a well executed wrist lock. Much more effective and far less messy than trying to knock someones lights out!

And get the wrong dude who has taken some 'recreational pharmacuetical' and even that might not work - I know :doh:

[Posh Tourer :P]

And, of course, fencing (my wife was a serious fencer in her teens).

I'm a "social" fencer at Auckland Uni. It is great fun, but a bloody hard workout if you are really going at it. Get to regularly fence the best in NZ University fencing, and get pummelled, but thats ok :D

[ching_ching]

Hi Texmo,

Thought I'd chuck just a little more of my 2¢ in cause in a way I know where you're coming from. After all I was 17 once and I talked horseshit and knew fuck all when I was 17 as well. But I digress. :mobile:

When I first saw your original post I, as well as many others thought that it was for the purpose of garnering information for seeking advice about fighting arts for your betterment, yes protection as well as fitness, discipline, etc (even if you may have been trolling). But it seems you've finally admitted that what you were after was advice on how to do someone in even in self defence. My advice is what everbody else has been saying... use awareness and avoid something if you can otherwise talk, walk away. Having a fucking go is the last resort.
But per chance you still persist than maybe you can pursue your whims by actually doing a stint in jail. I'm a prison officer (yep, the ole embryonic screw... Spudchucker catches ya, I lock you up, feed you and spend 8 hours of my day with ya) and may I give you an ordinary, everyday scenario that may help you improve your skill in the art of fighting.
(note: precise details of workplace and people have been witheld for confidentiality reasons).

So, being the new guy the boob van rocks through the gate, pulls up and drops you off with your gears. The boss sees you and tells you to wait in the induction room while we conclude our business at that time whatever that may be. After 15-30mins an officer gets a chance to see you, tells you the kaupapa of the jail (what allowed to do, what not to do), checks your gear and takes all the shit off you that you're not allowed so maybe you can have a couple of t-shirts, your daks, socks, your electronics, one sports shorts, couple of singlets... not much else. The rest of your gear will be boob. The mister than gets you to sign all the paper shit then you follow him to your cell. Once you go through the grill into the compound almost all eyes are on you seeing who you are making sure that you're not someone that they haven't "bumped" into in some other jail.
You're chucked in your cell, the Mister says "please enjoy your stay" :msn-wink: and that's it. You've been told that this camp is a pretty good camp not many standovers, etc. Don't believe fuck all that you hear in jail. Jail is jail (in varying degress I must agree) wherever you go.
If you're lucky you may go a day or two without any hassles. But if you draw the lucky card then the sharks start circling straight away. After a while Texmo you begin to smell when troubles around. One of the "residents" will rock up to your cell and introduce himself and talk nicely for the first couple of minutes than out of the blue will "ask you for your TV or radio or whatever you have that may be of value (phone card, chocs and if you smoke... your "gold" your tobacco).
So this is one of the crucial points of your stay in jail. Yield, or tell him to fuck off. If you opt for the second option than wait for the "second wave" to hit. It may happen like this:

So you're in your whare watching your TV. One of the inmates comes up to the dogbox and asks the Mister something about something. While scanning the officers to make sure they're not pegging the compound at that mo, the inmate gives the 1st lookout down at Wing 3 the OK sign discreetly. The Wing 3 lookout gives the OK to 4 guys slowly ambling nonchalantly down towards your hut down Wing 1 say. If it's all good, 3 guys nip into your hut and fuck you over real good (with work boots and all, and if they really hate ya, poke you with something). All in the matter of just over 10 secs. The 4th guy is the lookout by your cell and when he gets the OK from lookout on Wing 3, he tells your welcoming committee its OK to hop out. So you're on the floor fucked, if you're as good as you say you are you may have got in some good (read "lucky" shots) but against 3 guys in a 3.0M X 2.5M cell I kinda doubt it especially if they blanket you. So if you're as staunch as you sound you don't tell the officer nothing. But believe me, this will continue day after day.
Some of the training you can look forward to is having a crim continously jumping up and down on your fingers till they're way past broken, getting held down while getting continuously goal kicked in the nuts, shinned with bed slats that they rip from YOUR bed (inconsiderate barstads, why don't they use their own bed slats) as well as the usual cut lips, broken teeth / ribs / cheekbones / jaws / black eyes, etc (BTW haven't had a proper blocking for ages, todays crims must be getting soft). And you've probably only being at the camp for not even 24 hours. And if you're a first time offender, you're probably doing a sook lag of about 2-3 months, ahh ample time to train.

So Tex, sound like the kind of training you'd get into? And this is the stuff without major weapons involved like carving knives smuggled out of the kitchen, carving chisels snuck into pockets, makeshift razor blade slashes burned into toothbrush handles, etc. No shortage of sparring partners in here. And most of them will be veterans of this "training establishment". Remember, in the street you may have the chance to walk away. In jail, if you're serious about your training, there is no place to run and hide.
This is no made up shit. It happens at work pretty much everyday (especially around full moon lately... buggered if I know why). You being 17 I'd venture to say that what I've said has just gone in one ear and out the other. Hope not. Just too many young fullas in jail. In this respect, listen to those who have gone before you.

ching_ching

[scumdog]

Well said that man (ching-ching), maybe if texmo doesn't heed our advice he might remember your words someday when he's bloody & broken :thud:

[jrandom]

I'm a "social" fencer at Auckland Uni. It is great fun, but a bloody hard workout if you are really going at it. Get to regularly fence the best in NZ University fencing, and get pummelled, but thats ok :D

Sitting in the cubicle farm at work just across from the current president (in his spare time) of Fencing New Zealand, I hear a few good stories about it.

Sounds like fun. :niceone:

[Jackrat]

Interesting little yarn Ching,takes me back to a time best forgot.
An then I can't help but wonder how cute Tex is :devil2:

[jazbug5]

Excellent post, and a point well made, ching. Happened to see this in today's paper; well, it would have been rude not to stick it up, no?

[jrandom]

Excellent post, and a point well made, ching. Happened to see this in today's paper; well, it would have been rude not to stick it up, no?

Yeah, well, now I'm all frustrated not knowing what happened to Marina Erakovic, aren't I?

[jazbug5]

I think she does these clever stunts with her frontal lobes..?

[ching_ching]

Interesting little yarn Ching,takes me back to a time best forgot.
An then I can't help but wonder how cute Tex is :devil2:

Heehee :2thumbsup

[ching_ching]

Excellent post, and a point well made, ching. Happened to see this in today's paper; well, it would have been rude not to stick it up, no?

Hmm... interesting. I think I'm still undergoing development. People still say I talk horseshit and know fuck all.
:wacko:

[texmo]

Meh...... I'm now in the process of looking for a club to train.....
Also I have had a really bad hiding 1 punch to my nose sounds really bad dosent it, wel it wasnt untill I hit the ground (the curb to be more precise) and broke my jaw in 2 places, kncoed a single tooth out was unconsious, and lost alot of blood. the guy also kicked me a few times when I was on the ground breaking my lower left rib.. thats bad by my stands any ways, but not the worst I have sceen.
Oh and S/C I have only had one figh other than that in a public place and if you read my post from before you would know I dont carry weapons in a public place.....

[texmo]

BTW I just had an awsome 3 day weekend of varminting..... Rabbits, Hares, possums and some unwanted birds such as turkeys and magpies. :2thumbsup most fun ever.

[Mongoose]

BTW I just had an awsome 3 day weekend of varminting..... Rabbits, Hares, possums and some unwanted birds such as turkeys and magpies. :2thumbsup most fun ever.

Ahhhh, now your talking, if you wanna kill something, shoot it, dont use your fists :no:
Great way to spend some spare time, huh texmo?
Maybe thats two bugs you have now, riding and a killing?

[texmo]

Ahhhh, now your talking, if you wanna kill something, shoot it, dont use your fists :no:
Great way to spend some spare time, huh texmo?
Maybe thats two bugs you have now, riding and a killing?

Nah I've had the killinbug for a while now been and 6 duck shoots 2 turkey shoots (with shooties trying to elimante a whole gang, not just killing one or two with a 22 or sumfing) 2 pig hunts and hope fully another these holidays and a deer hunt is on the todo list :D
But I do really enjoy stalking things is rabbits

[scumdog]

Nah I've had the killinbug for a while now been and 6 duck shoots 2 turkey shoots (with shooties trying to elimante a whole gang, not just killing one or two with a 22 or sumfing) 2 pig hunts and hope fully another these holidays and a deer hunt is on the todo list :D
But I do really enjoy stalking things is rabbits

That's the story, bunnies are my favourite 'training' target too, - come down here to the S.I and try your hand at getting a thar in the Southern Alps, that's something that will make you work for your trophy!! and if you get one you have something to show for your efforts, not like a set of namby-pamby broke ribs or skinned knuckles that are gone in a week or two. :2thumbsup

[texmo]

That's the story, bunnies are my favourite 'training' target too, - come down here to the S.I and try your hand at getting a thar in the Southern Alps, that's something that will make you work for your trophy!! and if you get one you have something to show for your efforts, not like a set of namby-pamby broke ribs or skinned knuckles that are gone in a week or two. :2thumbsup

You have no idea how much I want to go to the SI and shoot....... I would love to go deer hunting in the SI and a thar (that that big goat like thingy eh?) that would be awsome.
I might be going to the south Island for the christmas holidays, some guys are doing a scooter run from auckland down to the bottom of the SI and back they have put aside 2weeks for it I wanna go with them and do a hunt of 2 while im down there and meet back up with them.

[Mongoose]

You have no idea how much I want to go to the SI and shoot....... I would love to go deer hunting in the SI and a thar (that that big goat like thingy eh?) that would be awsome.
I might be going to the south Island for the christmas holidays, some guys are doing a scooter run from auckland down to the bottom of the SI and back they have put aside 2weeks for it I wanna go with them and do a hunt of 2 while im down there and meet back up with them.

Give us a yell a bit closer to the time and there maybe a place to crash here texmo. If there is not enough beds there is plenty of floor space, be cheaper than anywhere else.
Cheers