GPX-250 vs GT250R

[marioc]

Hi guys first post here :yes:
Considering both as first bike,brand new.
Am leaning towards the Kawasaki.
can anybody who may have a gpx give me some thoughts.
I have read plenty about the GT250R not so much about the kawasaki

[skelstar]

Welcome.

What about a 2nd hand Honda VTR250? They hold their value really well and will be piss easy to ride.

btw - I learned how to ride on a Comet GT250 (20,000kms worth).

[Jeaves]

Yep I agree go a s/h VTR (you can also buy a new one if thats your thing)

[skidMark]

by the sounds of it guys he is after something fairing'd

in all honesy mate i love kawasakis but go for the hyosung

yer the hyosung may be a bit slower

but it will hold it's value better,

and also corners alot nicer....

it's a bit more sportier with low profile tyres etc.

ive owned a gpx and ridden a hyosung gt250r

i say go the gt250r mate, you will regret it if you get the kawasaki.

just my opinion

Cheers: Mark

oh and welcome to KB if you have a question don't be afraid to ask :)

[RantyDave]

Considering both as first bike,brand new.
Am leaning towards the Kawasaki.
Have you sat on them both? The Hyosung is about twice the size of the Kawasaki. Don't be afraid to ask for a test ride, and don't be afraid to walk away if you don't get one.

Also bear in mind that a brand new bike will need running in. I know a Kawasaki owner who has been running hers in for a _long_ time....

Dave

[zeocen]

Both bikes have strengths and weaknesses, a bias IMO, the kawasaki is the better all-rounder with a decent set of tyres on it. But the hyosung definately looks better.

I say just sit on both and see how you like them, brand wars aside you'll go away with a great learner bike either way.

[ZeroIndex]

The new GPX's are awesome... if I was to choose a new 250 (post-2004), I'd get the Kawasaki GPX... they handle pretty damn well, and are quite quick...

[jeremysprite]

Personally, I'd go for the GT250R (says the owner of a GPX).
It looks a lot better, I'm not sure on the power of it, someone said it's slower?
The forks on the GPX are pretty soft, they're probably a bit better on the new machines, but if you're looking at new, buy a VTR.
The GPX is quite low seat height, if you're vertically challenged.
The only thing I'd be concerned about for the GT250r would be - thrashed engines, and reliability/quality of parts. But most people here will tell you they're just as good as the japanese bikes.

[skidMark]

yeah the hyosung has much better suspention, has upside down forks on the front....

and agreed is a much nicer bike,gpx250's are ugly.

and seeing as they have not changed the tank design, the tank will rust, the same thing that allllll the old ones did.

[ZeroIndex]

yeah the hyosung has much better suspention, has upside down forks on the front....

and agreed is a much nicer bike,gpx250's are ugly.

and seeing as they have not changed the tank design, the tank will rust, the same thing that allllll the old ones did.

Hyosungs have horrible engine problems, especially with the GT250R's, like the computer chip thingy in them messes up...

[skidMark]

Hyosungs have horrible engine problems, especially with the GT250R's, like the computer chip thingy in them messes up...


warrenty.... :D

[zeocen]

Personally, I'd go for the GT250R (says the owner of a GPX).
It looks a lot better, I'm not sure on the power of it, someone said it's slower?


They're slower yeah, but not by much.. I think it's barely noticeable in torque etc to be honest.

The GPX tank is fine now I hear, mine has no rust.. but then again I don't ride mine like a twat. It's definitely the ugly sister of the two, but I'm quite partial to the retro sports tour look, it's just the front that cuts straight down that makes it look pretty stupid side on.

I find my GPX to be cramped because I'm 6'2, but I bought mine for a killer deal so I couldn't say no really. The Hyosung would be much better for a taller person.

At the end of the day, they both have their problems (from what I hear the Hyosung more than the GPX.) but they're both perfect for learning on if you're dead set on a faired bike. I would advise against it though ;p

[marioc]

Hey thanks for the replies guys,I am definately not dead set on a faired bike and have now reviewed my plans to buy brand new,maybe its not the best idea.
I rather like the look of the Suzuki Bandit,the Vt250 is nice also.
Anything to look out for here with a second hand bandit such as this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=102038491

[Renegade]

i was in your shoes exactly a year ago and i went for the GT250R, i have used it as a daily commuter and done 1 long trip on it and in that year it hasnt let me down once, not a single problen since new when i rode it off the show room floor and what a feeling that was, i still look at other 250's i see around and im glad i got a GT250R, they just look good.

still, i cant wait for the day i can get a big bike.

[skidMark]

go for a honda hornet then

the latest model inline 4 250s (yes 96 and 97 but kawasaki stopped before then)

so they usually have low k's

and by far the best handling 250 of the lot...have a 180 wide rear tyre too (same as most litre bikes r1's etc.)

i did a trademe search for you...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchType=0001-&searchString=cb250&searchRegion=100&type=Search

[zeocen]

Not a Honda fan here but I do likes the Hornet.
I like it a lot.

It's quite a bigger bike though I think? When I had a good ol sit on one it felt perfect for me and I'm a tall guy.

[skelstar]

Maybe the inline4/high revving bike may not be as easy to learn to ride as a v-twin?

[ZeroIndex]

Maybe the inline4/high revving bike may not be as easy to learn to ride as a v-twin?

gpx is parallel twin... very good engine to learn on...

[skelstar]

gpx is parallel twin... very good engine to learn on...

Yeah, I meant the 250 Hornet that was being mentioned. If its anything like the Bandit, it could be a bit of a challenge for an absolute beginner.

[carbacca]

i was choosing between those two about a month ago when i was looking for my first bike. had a sit on the GPX but its just seems far too small for me (not that i am particularly big, 5'11). i went with the GT250R as you can probably see.

[skidMark]

my gpx was alright to get skills on...but too damn slow....

and sounded so tinny.

inline 4 with an aftermarket muffler...omg pure sex. for a 250 anyways hehe

[ZeroIndex]

my gpx was alright to get skills on...but too damn slow....

and sounded so tinny.

inline 4 with an aftermarket muffler...omg pure sex. for a 250 anyways hehe

I used to get up to 160ish on it, and then throw it into corners coming back from Raglan with hardly buttoning off...

[boman]

I just bought a 1995 Suzuki Bandit VVT. Done about 1000kms on it so far. For a first bike I like it. 17" wheels and a decent size most think its a 1000cc. Had no troubles at all nice and steady on the road loves corners, but dont' buy one if you want fuel economy. I'm getting about 180km till reserve out of mine at 100kph speeds (and a few cool corners) but it's 40hp so it goes real well. I ride with care and it hasn't surprised me with anything unexpected yet. Thats my $1.00 worth anyhow.

[skidMark]

stopped by botany honda today ...theyve still got it ....it's the white one on trademe.... for like 5800?

[skidMark]

I used to get up to 160ish on it, and then throw it into corners coming back from Raglan with hardly buttoning off...

160? highest i ever had it was 172 and she was still climbing. indicated of course.

[ZeroIndex]

160? highest i ever had it was 172 and she was still climbing. indicated of course.

Yeah, I had it around 175ish, but I'm gonna guess that there would've been a bit of difference in speed with speedo's on smaller bikes generally being out by a few k's even after 100km/h...

[marioc]

2nd hand Bandit or a Hornet its gonna be.

[marioc]

Hey guys is it worth spending a little more to get the vvt model?

[boman]

Shop around. I bought a vvt model for $3995.00 off Holeshots in Auckland. All that i have done to it is sprokets and chain ($170.00). Done 1000kms so far with no issues. Paint on tank is a little rough but thats all thats wrong with it mechanically and cosmetically. Goes good too:yes: .

[disenfranchised]

Hyosungs have horrible engine problems, especially with the GT250R's, like the computer chip thingy in them messes up...

I just had my 5000k service done.
They said that generally the 5k service involves valve cleaning, but that they've stopped doing it on the hyosung's because they never find any problems, and that the hyosung engines have prooven to be really reliable overall.

[Lucy]

It shocks me how the look of a bike can have such an effect on people's opinions. Just read the GN versus Scorpio thread, and now this. What is this? Queer eye for the two wheeled guy?

[FROSTY]

When asking opinions I'd suggest you check the riding experience of those answering you.
In order of reccomendation
Honda VT250 --Good handling out of the box,fantastic brakes engine etc have been around for 20 years and they go really well --also really important --resale is great
Kawasaki Gpx250-same as above except for the 16 inch front wheel can be a bit er nervous and the front forks NEED sorting out of the bx --again been around for ever so resale has PROVEN to be very good.
Hyusung GT250--to me theres something wrong with a bike that uses the same gear on both its 250 and 650 variants.--spares availibility has proven to be an issue once out of warranty and resale??--well who knows

[zeocen]

It shocks me how the look of a bike can have such an effect on people's opinions. Just read the GN versus Scorpio thread, and now this. What is this? Queer eye for the two wheeled guy?

Pretty much, I'm sure it's the same for guys and their cars too.
My '90 gpx is looking it's age but I still get the odd compliment here and there, and I love the retro sport/tour look of the bike. I'm admittedly to tall for it but even still, when I ride past mirror tinted windows I can't help but take an extended look.

Yep, I'm that gay.
:love:

The hyosung look awesome, but the stock mufflers I've heard sound too quiet for my liking. I like my old stock gpx pipes, a great little grunter!

[Back Fire]

and by far the best handling 250 of the lot...have a 180 wide rear tyre too (same as most litre bikes r1's etc.)



noob.... litre bikes run 190's.... 600's run 180's...

[Lucy]

Pretty much, I'm sure it's the same for guys and their cars too.
My '90 gpx is looking it's age but I still get the odd compliment here and there, and I love the retro sport/tour look of the bike. I'm admittedly to tall for it but even still, when I ride past mirror tinted windows I can't help but take an extended look.

Yep, I'm that gay.
:love:

The hyosung look awesome, but the stock mufflers I've heard sound too quiet for my liking. I like my old stock gpx pipes, a great little grunter!

As long as you don't find yourself saying "I'm so hot right now" out loud, although I guess no-one would hear it through the helmet.

Ha ha, I said 'helmet'.

:sunny:

[marioc]

I couldnt give a rats ass about what the thing looks like,what I am interested in is performance and reliability considering I am going to stuck on this thing for a year or so.I am going to be doing a lot of commuting on wellingtons windy as motorways :gob:.

[boman]

Get a bike with fairings then. You don't half get blown about on a naked bike.:mellow: :scooter:

[2strokegirl]

haha ok once i had gotten over the aprilia i was tossing up between the same two bikes you are... i rode both bikes i liked the "big bike" looks of the hyosung however the sound of it drove me crazy!! then i rode the gpx... sound was alright looks wernt so great... in the end i went for the gpx. it depens what your looking for in a bike... looks go for the hyosung... if you want speed and better sound then go for the gpx. just make sure its the bike you can see your self riding every day.

good luck
2sg:rockon:

[delusionz]

I just bought a 1995 Suzuki Bandit VVT. Done about 1000kms on it so far. For a first bike I like it. 17" wheels and a decent size most think its a 1000cc. Had no troubles at all nice and steady on the road loves corners, but dont' buy one if you want fuel economy. I'm getting about 180km till reserve out of mine at 100kph speeds (and a few cool corners) but it's 40hp so it goes real well. I ride with care and it hasn't surprised me with anything unexpected yet. Thats my $1.00 worth anyhow.

Hi Boman, I'm interested in your bike after noticing the "VVT." Does it have a distinct change in the sound & throttle when it changes over to high lift as a VVT-i, VTEC, Mivec, etc car does or is it smooth & gradual as so you wouldn't notice the difference? I had a look on YouTube and only one of Bandits seemed to do so the others I didn't notice any changeover?

[boman]

Origionally posted by delusionz
Hi Boman, I'm interested in your bike after noticing the "VVT." Does it have a distinct change in the sound & throttle when it changes over to high lift as a VVT-i, VTEC, Mivec, etc car does or is it smooth & gradual as so you wouldn't notice the difference? I had a look on YouTube and only one of Bandits seemed to do so the others I didn't notice any changeover?


9,500 RPM you hear a noise, and offf it goes. Noticable power gain especially in lower gears hard on the gas.

[Sidewinder]

dont get the gt250r biggest piece of crapart from china bikes. the gpx hasnt changed snice the 80s but it will go bout 170, if you buying new why dont you have a look at a honda VTR250 very nice looking and feels better to ride than a gt250r or gpx, keep your options open and try everthing. But yes gpx is better then a gt250r any day and it will last longer too!

[ZeroIndex]

dont get the gt250r biggest piece of crapart from china bikes. the gpx hasnt changed snice the 80s but it will go bout 170, if you buying new why dont you have a look at a honda VTR250 very nice looking and feels better to ride than a gt250r or gpx, keep your options open and try everthing. But yes gpx is better then a gt250r any day and it will last longer too!

exactly... the gpx hasn't changed for 20 years for a good reason: it works well... that is unless you buy it off SkidMark, then you might as well buy the Hyosung, cause at least when it breaks down, you've got manufacturer warranty :p

[Sidewinder]

exactly... the gpx hasn't changed for 20 years for a good reason: it works well... that is unless you buy it off SkidMark, then you might as well buy the Hyosung, cause at least when it breaks down, you've got manufacturer warranty :p

is that why your one was easy to find tryes for? and when you did you could only get sportdemons for it?

[howdamnhard]

Another option you could look at is a Honda Spada, their similiar to the VT250 but have a cast frame and more grunt.:yes:

[ZeroIndex]

is that why your one was easy to find tryes for? and when you did you could only get sportdemons for it?

what else are you gonna find for it with 16" rims?

[Sidewinder]

The new GPX's are awesome... if I was to choose a new 250 (post-2004), I'd get the Kawasaki GPX... they handle pretty damn well, and are quite quick...

but on you'res the side stand was the 1st thing to touch before the pegs.

VTR250 is a better choice i think. bit more modern to. and i dont like the high rise old skool clip on's either

[ZeroIndex]

but on you'res the side stand was the 1st thing to touch before the pegs.

VTR250 is a better choice i think. bit more modern to. and i dont like the high rise old skool clip on's either

With a big hammer or something of that sort, I'm sure the sidestand can be bent into a more usable position... even the new ones still scrape the sidestand...

[avgas]

most think its a 1000cc
Bwahahahahaha.......oh god i laughed so loud i'm actually crying.
You could have got away with 400, 600....

[boman]

Bwahahahahaha.......oh god i laughed so loud i'm actually crying.
You could have got away with 400, 600....

Yep ROTFPMSL. Apparantly these experts had never seen a 4 cyl 250cc bike before. I thought they were pulling my chain, 1000cc!!, but they were serious.

[carver]

I used to get up to 160ish on it, and then throw it into corners coming back from Raglan with hardly buttoning off...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Sidewinder]

With a big hammer or something of that sort, I'm sure the sidestand can be bent into a more usable position... even the new ones still scrape the sidestand...

but if you bend it in will the bike still sit on the stand?

[Sidewinder]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

i know what you mean babe. Hondas rule!!!

[Sidewinder]

Yep ROTFPMSL. Apparantly these experts had never seen a 4 cyl 250cc bike before. I thought they were pulling my chain, 1000cc!!, but they were serious.

yup i got done one day and they double checked like 10 times on the radio to make sure my bike was 250. they asked if each cylnder was 125 or 250!!!! WTF

[Coyoteman807]

Hows it I'm on a L licence at the mo, & I purchased a GPX it's had its 2nd service already and so far no probs (touch wood He he! ) I think it's just that little bit faster than the GT250R due to Knowledge. I say go for it.

[carver]

Hows it I'm on a L licence at the mo, & I purchased a GPX it's had its 2nd service already and so far no probs (touch wood He he! ) I think it's just that little bit faster than the GT250R due to Knowledge. I say go for it.

too bad its a kawasaki though

[Sidewinder]

too bad its a kawasaki though

yup they do very much

[Sidewinder]

Hows it I'm on a L licence at the mo, & I purchased a GPX it's had its 2nd service already and so far no probs (touch wood He he! ) I think it's just that little bit faster than the GT250R due to Knowledge. I say go for it.

u want a real bike? get a honda!!!!

[Pancakes]

Hows it I'm on a L licence at the mo, & I purchased a GPX it's had its 2nd service already and so far no probs (touch wood He he! ) I think it's just that little bit faster than the GT250R due to Knowledge. I say go for it.

Most bikes are faster than the Hyo's due to being better! Even if they cost less to make than the competition if they were faster/better they would sell them for the same or more and tuck the $$ in their back pocket! There is plenty of competition for fast and great handling bikes, Hyosung have decided to come first in a one horse race for a full size sport looking bike for the same cash as a Honda 50cc scooter I saw advertised today. It will cost twice as much to get 10% more power out of an engine (made up numbers but you gettit) due to production tolerances etc. I got mine cos it's a commuter so power is fun but comfort is more important and being brand new I knew it hadn't been trashed. Could have got a old CBR250RR for simalar $$ and gone like the wind with a chance that the whole thing was shot and would cost me another $6k to get running well again! You get what you pay for. I've said it before, WHY THE "FASTEST 250" THREADS? If you want to go fast get something that is the best deal you can find that will have the best resale in 6 months - a year then get a litre race rep in your favourite flavour!

Oh? Can't AFFORD one? Thats where cheap and "ok" (Hyo's and others) not awesome and pricey comes to town.

[ZeroIndex]

Most bikes are faster than the Hyo's due to being better! Even if they cost less to make than the competition if they were faster/better they would sell them for the same or more and tuck the $$ in their back pocket! There is plenty of competition for fast and great handling bikes, Hyosung have decided to come first in a one horse race for a full size sport looking bike for the same cash as a Honda 50cc scooter I saw advertised today. It will cost twice as much to get 10% more power out of an engine (made up numbers but you gettit) due to production tolerances etc. I got mine cos it's a commuter so power is fun but comfort is more important and being brand new I knew it hadn't been trashed. Could have got a old CBR250RR for simalar $$ and gone like the wind with a chance that the whole thing was shot and would cost me another $6k to get running well again! You get what you pay for. I've said it before, WHY THE "FASTEST 250" THREADS? If you want to go fast get something that is the best deal you can find that will have the best resale in 6 months - a year then get a litre race rep in your favourite flavour!

Oh? Can't AFFORD one? Thats where cheap and "ok" (Hyo's and others) not awesome and pricey comes to town.

But an old Honda will last longer than an new Hyosung...

[delusionz]

When I sat on the GT250R it was far too big, tall and bulky and had very heavy steering, I couldn't manouver it at all so I went for the GPX which was very light, small bike and easy to handle. GPX gets blown about on the motorway a bit so you have to be in full control or you'll be blown off, Also the wind shield of the GPX doesn't give your head much wind protection so it feels like your helmet will be blown off too. But thats what a learner bike is all about really, don't expect to break the speed limit by much on a 250 it's still after all a small engine.

[WarlockNZ]

I just had to stop by and beat Fubar to a Hyosung debate :)

As you can probably tell, I own the hobag (yes even we call them that) and yes, i've had some problems, not one of which has cost me a cent to fix.

The GTR is the most popular selling bike (in its class) in both NZ and OZ, sales figures on the brand in OZ increased 315% over 6 months.

Yes, it's a full sized bike, it's meant to be, in fact after i took the 250 label off the side for some custom decals, people think i'm joking when i say it's only a 250. The gtr is a good bike entry level ride and so is the GPX, but i'm sure they have faults as well.

You need to consider a few things before you buy any bike; what is it going to be used for?, will i get a numb ass if i ride for longer then 4 hours?, am i comfortable on it?, can i handle the bike, not just in speed by in weight.

It just common sense really, buy the bike that is right for you and that fits you, if you don't you will find yourself with a bike you never ride because your not comfortable with it. and wheres the fun in that ??

[marioc]

Thanks for the advice guys this place is a goldmine.
I have decided that I really should get my bhs and Learners first so that I can test ride a few and really find the one I like.
I assume you can test ride on your learners?

[delusionz]

Thanks for the advice guys this place is a goldmine.
I have decided that I really should get my bhs and Learners first so that I can test ride a few and really find the one I like.
I assume you can test ride on your learners?

Yeah learners should be all good. Motorcycle dealers understand the need to try before you buy. You just have to sign a form saying you're liable for a huge excess if you fuck it and don't buy it.

[Fub@r]

I just had to stop by and beat Fubar to a Hyosung debate :)


You calling me slow Warlock :)

Each to their own, like with most other Hyo riders I would rather have a new bike that hasn't been dropped, thrashed and generally well worn for the price of a new Hyo.

Oh wow a Honda can do 180kph........the Hyo can do close to 170kph, both of which are loss of license speeds so whats the difference.

Thing for me its a cheap new bike, that has good looks, sounds good (with some holes drilled), its new and gives far better fuel consumption than your VTR, CBR's etc. It meets all my requirements :) I would rather that than get a 14yr old thrashed and well worn CBR for the same price that will need new discs at its next warrant

[WarlockNZ]

I couldn't have put it better myself. :rockon:

[Pancakes]

Agreed, It's what I bought not what I dream about but can't complain. It's a reliable affordable smile on my dial everyday.

[zeocen]

Usually what you dream about is higher than a 250, the ones we've got now are practice time for when we get to our dreams :P

[delusionz]

Orange Ninja 636 for me :D

[Pancakes]

Mmmmm, glad I don't have any money or I'd have to choose! KTM Superduke would be shits and giggles (and then more shits and heaps more giggles!) all over the place. Not the fastest bike out but what a toy! Buell Lightning thingy for those rim mounted discs and all the innovation (but some bits of them look too plasticy).

NUMBER 1! The sexiest sounding bike in the world! The MV Augusta F4 - 1000R.

http://www.mvagusta.it/_vti_g2_ver.aspx?IdVer=98&rpstry=27_

[WarlockNZ]

Mmmmm, glad I don't have any money or I'd have to choose! KTM Superduke would be shits and giggles (and then more shits and heaps more giggles!) all over the place. Not the fastest bike out but what a toy! Buell Lightning thingy for those rim mounted discs and all the innovation (but some bits of them look too plasticy).

NUMBER 1! The sexiest sounding bike in the world! The MV Augusta F4 - 1000R.

http://www.mvagusta.it/_vti_g2_ver.aspx?IdVer=98&rpstry=27_

Dude ... so off topic i don't even know where to start!.

in my opinion the GTR is the better bike .. i don't know anyone that has ridden one that has not liked the ride.

[Pancakes]

Sorry! I try to control myself, am pretty "off topic" in real life sometimes too, there was a Whenuapai/Hobsonville contingent on the ATNR last week, I try to go each fortnight, you should come out Warlock.

Sorry, back on topic now!

Yeah, I like my bike, the handling is fine and thats pretty important for me over power (did I say that!?), can't use power if you can't get it down a. Nice size too, good for regular use, not just sunny weekend days etc.

[bull]

Yep lovin my Hyosung too - great to commute on, great fun for me as learner going up and down Rimutakas, and pretty damn good on the gas too. I was lucky tho i suppose, walked into TSS here in Lower Hutt and asked for one, had never sat on one but loved the look and the share size of the big 250. After riding it now since November last year, it stills makes me smile as much as the first day i rode it.

[marioc]

Yehaa I have my Bandit...and also my first couple of bins lol.
Nothing much just a couple of low speed flops and twisting the throttle the wrong way.
Feels like I am flying havnt even revved her past 8 grand yet.

[gijoe1313]

Good to hear you got two wheels of freedom ... but eek about the bins! :sweatdrop Hope all is well and you're learning about the fine art of this motorcycling thang! :yes:

Oh wait a minute ... I'm a little ol'Hornet rider and shouldn't be in here with all the Hyosung riders! :chase:

[babyblade250rr]

Orange Ninja 636 for me :D

Yamaha R6 4 me!!

[FilthyLuka]

Oh wow a Honda can do 180kph........the Hyo can do close to 170kph, both of which are loss of license speeds so whats the difference.

one's faster :innocent:

[Pancakes]

I'm so keen to ride one of these 170kph capable Hyo's. Mine is on the redline at 150 and a downwrds slope is the only way to get there. I know the fairings must help cut the air but the whole motor/gearbox unit is the same for all the Hyo 250's. Still yet to see any proof of that top speed but happy to admit I'm wrong if any proof (a bike swap for a few minutes / side by side ride with someone, anything tangible) can be provided. I like my bike but a V-twin with low compression built to be a cheap entry in the market neck in neck with some of the fastest IL4 250's out (bar RGV-R etc)? Please some one prove me wrong, I'm so curious.

[ZeroIndex]

I'm so keen to ride one of these 170kph capable Hyo's. Mine is on the redline at 150 and a downwrds slope is the only way to get there. I know the fairings must help cut the air but the whole motor/gearbox unit is the same for all the Hyo 250's. Still yet to see any proof of that top speed but happy to admit I'm wrong if any proof (a bike swap for a few minutes / side by side ride with someone, anything tangible) can be provided. I like my bike but a V-twin with low compression built to be a cheap entry in the market neck in neck with some of the fastest IL4 250's out (bar RGV-R etc)? Please some one prove me wrong, I'm so curious.
Strangely, the better the air is moved around the vehicle, the faster it will travel... I've seen this from my own bike... when I first got it as a streetfighter, it went fast-ish, but when I chucked on the bit of bikini fairing that it came with, it went slightly faster at the same RPM...

[Pancakes]

Strangely, the better the air is moved around the vehicle, the faster it will travel... I've seen this from my own bike... when I first got it as a streetfighter, it went fast-ish, but when I chucked on the bit of bikini fairing that it came with, it went slightly faster at the same RPM...

OK, I'll spell it out. If two bikes with identical drive trains both in top gear are at the same max rev's and one is doing 150 and one is doing 170 then the slower ones clutch or rear wheel is slipping to the tune of 13kph. My clutch isn't slipping and my 250 won't powerslide at 150!

The fairings I agree will help the otherwise identical bike get to speed faster and to a higher speed but you can't go faster in the same gear without the revs rising. Geddit?

[Fub@r]

I'm so keen to ride one of these 170kph capable Hyo's. Mine is on the redline at 150 and a downwrds slope is the only way to get there. I know the fairings must help cut the air but the whole motor/gearbox unit is the same for all the Hyo 250's. Still yet to see any proof of that top speed but happy to admit I'm wrong if any proof (a bike swap for a few minutes / side by side ride with someone, anything tangible) can be provided. I like my bike but a V-twin with low compression built to be a cheap entry in the market neck in neck with some of the fastest IL4 250's out (bar RGV-R etc)? Please some one prove me wrong, I'm so curious.

Heres one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYM4RRGgaxI

I always thought unfaired models had different gearing to a faired model?

[Pancakes]

Dial up:shit:

I'll be back in an hour to comment once the clips opened up!

[ZeroIndex]

Heres one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYM4RRGgaxI

I always thought unfaired models had different gearing to a faired model?
i think this one is funnier... yet another reason why to change from those shitty factory Shinko tires...
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[karmakillernz]

Heres one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYM4RRGgaxI


That's a nice clip! :shit: It's a pity the rider didn't show how long it took to get to ~170kph. It'd be quite interesting to see, say, a 100-170kph time...

[Pancakes]

Whats different? I know mine wouldn't pull a higher gear even if it was geared up, I've heard the 650R has different carbs to the nude one. Mine has Mikuni BDS26 twin's. If a 250R has the same I wonder if the internals are compatible?

Mine is also due for the big daddy service and isn't as peppy as it could be, plugs etc feeling old.

[Pancakes]

the video below that with the naked one is fast too.

Man I need a new bike, guy at work is selling a VTR too, Hornet on TradeMe I like too, downer.

ATNR will perk me up!

[zeocen]

There's a not bad review of the GPX 250 in the latest kiwirider magazine if anyone's interested, summary of the review was that it was a solid commuter and a suprise on the open roads.

....still looks like it hit a bus though :D

[WarlockNZ]

I personally had mine up to 165 and that was just below red line on a flat piece of road...

Took a little while to get there tho

[ZeroIndex]

OK, I'll spell it out. If two bikes with identical drive trains both in top gear are at the same max rev's and one is doing 150 and one is doing 170 then the slower ones clutch or rear wheel is slipping to the tune of 13kph. My clutch isn't slipping and my 250 won't powerslide at 150!

The fairings I agree will help the otherwise identical bike get to speed faster and to a higher speed but you can't go faster in the same gear without the revs rising. Geddit?

That's funny, cause at first I thought the same, until a very experienced rider (can't remember who it was), informed me otherwise...

[Pancakes]

Teach me, track down your source and take me to school! I'm happy to learn stuff. Also note my posts after that one.

[WarlockNZ]

Could be your speedo you know ?? .. i've had chats with Hyo owners and we all reckon our speedo's are wrong.

Your just down the road from me ... I'd be happy to go on a ride and compare the bikes.


Teach me, track down your source and take me to school! I'm happy to learn stuff. Also note my posts after that one.

[carbacca]

i have compared the speedo on mine to a GPS and its 14ks off from what i measured

[Pancakes]

Be keen as, I'm free after 7 / 7:30 once the kiddies are shut in their boxes for the night. Oh, probably going for a ride Thursday (ATNR) but any other day for sure.

[WarlockNZ]

Be keen as, I'm free after 7 / 7:30 once the kiddies are shut in their boxes for the night. Oh, probably going for a ride Thursday (ATNR) but any other day for sure.

Sweet ... ATNR sounds like a good plan ... i haven't done one of those for a while.

[Pancakes]

Interested in if the two models are sold in the same state of tune too, heard stuff but nothing solid about that.

[WarlockNZ]

I have ...

Think about it .. the GT, GTR and the GV all have the same motor ... hell .. if you look at your engine .. i'll bet you it's stamped GV250 :)

I've been told that the 3 bikes are tuned differently, as you would expect .. there is no way a GV could keep up with a GTR .. (and yes .. i know that from personal experience) .. and yes ... i know they weigh more ... LOL .. but thats not the point ...

You don't put a sport tuned engine in a crusier ...

As for the difference between the GT and the GTR .. who knows ?? but i doubt it comes down to just the fairing.


Interested in if the two models are sold in the same state of tune too, heard stuff but nothing solid about that.

[Pancakes]

I have ...

Think about it .. the GT, GTR and the GV all have the same motor ... hell .. if you look at your engine .. i'll bet you it's stamped GV250 :)

I've been told that the 3 bikes are tuned differently, as you would expect .. there is no way a GV could keep up with a GTR .. (and yes .. i know that from personal experience) .. and yes ... i know they weigh more ... LOL .. but thats not the point ...

You don't put a sport tuned engine in a crusier ...

As for the difference between the GT and the GTR .. who knows ?? but i doubt it comes down to just the fairing.

Yeah, same block markings for all the bikes, keen to find out and get mine sorted hehehehe

[WarlockNZ]

Yeah, same block markings for all the bikes, keen to find out and get mine sorted hehehehe

It could be anything ... Pipes? .. jets?? .. throttle body's ... hell .. who knows. ... i've been looking for info for ages .. and i can't find shit ..

I've changed my can and noticed it's given me more top end and a quicker pickup.

[zeocen]

Pff I'll show you all up on my 17 year old pug dog looking GPX any day!

And by show you up, I mean get laughed at by being 6'1 on a small bike, and possibly going slower.

:<

[WarlockNZ]

Pff I'll show you all up on my 17 year old pug dog looking GPX any day!

And by show you up, I mean get laughed at by being 6'1 on a small bike, and possibly going slower.

:<

LOL ... as long as it goes mate :) ... look .. i think the bottom line here .. is that the GPX is a small machine ... i personally couldn't ride it for any length of time without cramping .. it's just not tall enough .. (for me) .. personally .. i don't care what you ride ... as long as you actually ride .. and what you ride .. makes no difference to me :)

[Pancakes]

The straight thru pipe I made for mine lets it rev way faster and higher so the std pipe is or is part of the restriction but it made so much difference I was worried about the mix and burnt valves so don't run it. Also is too loud for commuting, makes the cars part like the red sea tho!! hahaha. Have since built a gas meter to get an idea of the change the pipe makes but since they are carbied it means I'll have to wald a nut in, get a sensor and worst of all calibrate the sensor to the meter I made (for EFI wouldn't be to hard, with carb's, sheesh, you just keep going till you run out of problems!) It's nearly up for the full strip down and head clean, valve gaps etc and want to get anything that can be done, jets, timing of inlet to exhaust cams etc done then while it's open. I think we may get the Ozzy 30 (33?) hp limited ones here, most of the video's etc are from Malyasia where the "Naza Blade" as it is known is really popular.

[zeocen]

LOL ... as long as it goes mate :) ... look .. i think the bottom line here .. is that the GPX is a small machine ... i personally couldn't ride it for any length of time without cramping .. it's just not tall enough .. (for me) .. personally .. i don't care what you ride ... as long as you actually ride .. and what you ride .. makes no difference to me :)

Well I don't think the Hyosungs were here in NZ at the time (if they were they weren't very popular) and I got my ninja 250 for just over 2 grand. Granted, I don't care what the fuck people say about Hyosungs performence, it's a big bike for tall people, which I am. I would have loved one, but not for 7 grand for my first bike hehe.

I think it's safe to say, for learners who get new faired bikes these days, females will go mostly go for GPX and males will mostly go for Hyosung. They're both great bikes, the Hyosung just looks fucking rad... how can you not like it for a beginners bike.

In the review in the latest kiwirider mag they stated that the GPX had the upper hand in the top end but only slightly.

I went through a phase of "omg I actually have a bike, this is the best bike in the world!" to "wow look at everyone elses shiney fast bikes, this bike is a piece of shit!" and now I'm finally at the "I get a little cramped and may look a bit too big, but I still haven't reached my limit on it and it says ninja on the side!"

I love my gpx/ninja 250, and all it's cosmetic imperfections. It's a real character and was a great learner and an even better performer for when I use what I've learnt on it on a bigger bike.

/late night rant over. :sunny::sunny::sunny::scooter:

PS. There's even a Kawasaki dealer(ish) (East Coast Motorcycles I think?) that handles Hyosungs as well, that can indicate that they may play well together. Perhaps a Hyosung/GPX meet is in order ;P

[WarlockNZ]

PS. There's even a Kawasaki dealer(ish) (East Coast Motorcycles I think?) that handles Hyosungs as well, that can indicate that they may play well together. Perhaps a Hyosung/GPX meet is in order ;P

Kawasaki are the NZ importer of Hyosung and back them for one year, so yep, i'd say they play well together. :)

[delusionz]

All this talk of Hyosung, reminds me of this Hyosung SB50 Supercab I used to ride and rape and killed. It fucking sucked, that was 1 of the things before I jumped onto 1 and found it too big for me that I knew I probably didn't want another Hyosung anyways despite the upside down forks and the dual brake discs & I bet that thing stops pretty quick.

Ninja speaks for itself really, Theres more WOW factor in "Ninja 250" than there is in "GT250R" "What's that?" "Hyosung" "Never heard of them".

[WarlockNZ]

Is the GPX labeled as a Ninja ???.. I used to ride a Ninja 250 and that was a ZXR, not a GPX

[zeocen]

The proper Ninja 250's are GPX's, they used to be Ninja 250's here back in the day, but in the states they're still called Ninja 250's.

Today's GPX's just have "GPX" on them though.

[gijoe1313]

baby ninjas mind you! :msn-wink: Their bigger, badder cuzzies are the real deal eheh

[marioc]

Did my bhs today with Andrew form roadsafe.
What a top bloke and great teacher I learnt heaps.
Was a little harder than I might have imagined.
Go the GN125!!! :scooter:

[Weaver]

I did mine with him the week before and used one of his gp125s.
I found the weaving through the offset cones the hardest part.
The course was great fun and Andrew was great teacher.

[rphenix]

Been looking for a bike for the wife :) we test drove a GPX-250 over the weekend considering they are a grand cheaper thesedays. I didnt think much of it to be honest much prefer the feel of the Hyo Aquila wife thought the same so its not just my fat arse holding it back!

As for the GTR250 it seems to suit the taller riders? We are now looking at getting perhaps a naked sports something like a bandit or vtr.

[NSR-Dan]

tell you truth, i would take the kwaka, my first bike was a ZZR which was basicly a GPX with race fairings and was great to learn on. i have also ridden the GT250R and think its a pig, it doesnt handle great, it handles like a whale which is probably because its heavier than most 1lt bikes (around 200kg, Gixxer is 170 i think).

if i was you with the notion in mind to goto a bigger bike when you get your full i would try and get a second hand 90's sport 250 bike to learn on as it would prepare you better, plus there cheap, faster, better handling, look good and you can sell them for same as what you buy them for. probably go for a Honda CBR250R, Suzuki GSX250R or a Kwaka ZXR250. (the honda is the most reliable and faster).

at the end of the day the GPX is a commuter bike nothing else and the GT250R is a show pony without the pony's, trying to be something its not.

[ZeroIndex]

tell you truth, i would take the kwaka, my first bike was a ZZR which was basicly a GPX with race fairings and was great to learn on. i have also ridden the GT250R and think its a pig, it doesnt handle great, it handles like a whale which is probably because its heavier than most 1lt bikes (around 200kg, Gixxer is 170 i think).

if i was you with the notion in mind to goto a bigger bike when you get your full i would try and get a second hand 90's sport 250 bike to learn on as it would prepare you better, plus there cheap, faster, better handling, look good and you can sell them for same as what you buy them for. probably go for a Honda CBR250R, Suzuki GSX250R or a Kwaka ZXR250. (the honda is the most reliable and faster).

at the end of the day the GPX is a commuter bike nothing else and the GT250R is a show pony without the pony's, trying to be something its not.
GPX's are more than a commuter bike... it may not be an inline4 250, but it still goes pretty damn well, hitting a top speed of just over 170km/h

[zeocen]

They are commuter bikes for sure, but they can do a hell of a lot more than that. I take mine on the back roads almost daily, when weather permits ... I have the obligatory 250 downshift on hills but it still can be very quick, it's nice and flickable too.

Here's a video I did a few days ago, it starts off with me rambling about where to go but eventually end up in some back roads, by no means going fast.. but you can see they're very capable bikes.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/zeocen/BDD0B91C306C448B89AC3C912F68C9E1/botany-2.aspx

[rphenix]

tell you truth, i would take the kwaka, my first bike was a ZZR which was basicly a GPX with race fairings and was great to learn on. i have also ridden the GT250R and think its a pig, it doesnt handle great, it handles like a whale which is probably because its heavier than most 1lt bikes (around 200kg, Gixxer is 170 i think).

They report all sorts of weights online but the weight for the 07 GTR is 168KG which is ok I think the comet is heavier though.

As for the speed of the GPX250's I didn't find them that fast slow even! I've found the Hyo's very good for going over the harbour bridge etc.. nice comfortable seating position which is quite important when stuck in traffic they are also good with newbie mistakes like being in the wrong gear etc... If I was after pure power in a 250cc or less bike I'd get a 2stroke (I owned an rg150 at one stage that thing flew considering the cc's).

[ZeroIndex]

They report all sorts of weights online but the weight for the 07 GTR is 168KG which is ok I think the comet is heavier though.

As for the speed of the GPX250's I didn't find them that fast slow even! I've found the Hyo's very good for going over the harbour bridge etc.. nice comfortable seating position which is quite important when stuck in traffic they are also good with newbie mistakes like being in the wrong gear etc... If I was after pure power in a 250cc or less bike I'd get a 2stroke (I owned an rg150 at one stage that thing flew considering the cc's).
Yeah, I must admit for fun-styles, the RG150 is definitely a good bike to go with. Shame about the giant speed error with the speedo... showing ridiculous speeds of 180kph when the bike is actually travelling at 150kph (6th gear redline)

[WarlockNZ]

a show pony without the pony's,

Thats a bit rough .. you can't talk pony's when your talking about a 250 .. come on .. that's like compare thrust ratios between a F111 and a Cessna.

Both the gpx and the gtr have about the same HP, and to be honest the gpx spec says it has about 4 more "ponies" .. but only a top speed of 170k where the hyobag is rated at 180k.

I think the bottom line here, is what bike is more comfortable for "you" to ride.... It's a 250, you have to start somewhere and really, as long as your riding and your comfortable riding it, does it matter what you ride??

[zeocen]

A place where people just shut up and rode together?
That's devil talk!

[delusionz]

My gpx topped out at 160kph indicated (6th gear @ 12,000 rpm) with the stock sprockets there was still 1,000 rpm left to redline but it had no more to give, the specifications say 100mph top speed so i dont know where you guys are getting figures of 170 and 180 from...

even a brand new gpx speedo is 8% higher than actual speed so my top speed was really 147kph

highly doubt the hyosung would outdo the gpx so if u saw 170 on a hyosung its probably off by a very large percentage

[ZeroIndex]

My gpx topped out at 160kph indicated (6th gear @ 12,000 rpm) with the stock sprockets there was still 1,000 rpm left to redline but it had no more to give, the specifications say 100mph top speed so i dont know where you guys are getting figures of 170 and 180 from...

even a brand new gpx speedo is 8% higher than actual speed so my top speed was really 147kph

highly doubt the hyosung would outdo the gpx so if u saw 170 on a hyosung its probably off by a very large percentage
My '86 GPX saw just over 175km/h (indicated) on one of the long straights coming back from Raglan once...

[sprag]

They are commuter bikes for sure, but they can do a hell of a lot more than that. I take mine on the back roads almost daily, when weather permits ... I have the obligatory 250 downshift on hills but it still can be very quick, it's nice and flickable too.

Here's a video I did a few days ago, it starts off with me rambling about where to go but eventually end up in some back roads, by no means going fast.. but you can see they're very capable bikes.

http://www.livevideo.com/video/zeocen/BDD0B91C306C448B89AC3C912F68C9E1/botany-2.aspx

Oh Zeocen just have to say very cool cat on ya pet video :) almost as old as you LOL