Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.

[Ixion]

Well, well. KB recently acquired a new set of Lords and Masters. A Quadrumvirate, forsooth .An "elite" they call themselves (well, Mr Hitcher does , anyway) to "take command" and provide "leadership" for the site. And ensure that the proletariat touch their forelock in approved fashion. A few weeks ago the newly Heaven Born (indeed, for now they are Augusti, and thus gods) indicated that they did not think that my opinions on matters would sit well with this Brave New World. And Dear Leader has now suggested (tactly, but they who rune may rede) that I would be more "comfortable" if I were to quietly remove myself.

Well, I'll wish them well of it. Uneasy lies the head and so on. I'm not sure that I see anyone of the stature of Diocletian here. And *he* had the legions to back him up. Kiwis generally dislike elites (unless they're rugby elites). Goes against our egalitarian, Jack's as good as master history. And bikers' don't much like being commanded. Have a tendency to poke those who try to command them with the proverbial sharp stick.

I dare say that I'd be permitted to hang around, provided I minded my Ps and Qs . And didn't use any naughty words, unsuitable for the kiddywinkies ears. And kept my unpolitically correct and unfashionably working class opinions to myself. Abided by the "consensus" as the phrase was. And followed the Rules.

But y'see, I don't really think I WANT to be Leadered. Be the Dear Leaders ever so elite. I've always ridden my own road. And my opinions have been honed and tempered over more years than many of you have been alive .Not everyone agrees with me of course. And that's not been a problem. 'Tis what debate is about. Gog has his opinion, Magog his. Both get stated and both parties can argue their case. But I'm not about to change them now (well, not unless someone persuades me by logic and debate) , and I wouldn't be "comfortable" (to use Dear Leader's term) in an environment where they would be likely to become victims of the Mysteriously Disappearing Post Disease.(been a bit of that about lately. Must be the weather).

'Twould only be a matter of time before I fell foul of a breach of most of those Rules.Never been very keen on Rules, m'self. We've not actually had many rules (Mr Spankme being a wise man) . I rather think that lamentable lack is going to rectified very soon. Amply rectified. Can't have a "chain of command" without Rules, really. Not logical. And the Heaven Born always need Rules to keep the proles up to the mark.

So, we're going to have a lot more Rules, I guess. And I note the innocuous little phrase in Mr Spankme's announcement "forum layout and content". I don't think then that I'd be too far wide of the mark if I reckoned that some of the new "List of Rules" will relate to site content. Like those Yank sites so approvingly eyed by the Heaven Born. Or, our own dear Snapd. With a Rule to define the site position on every social , political or cultural issue. Purely in the interest of leading the ignorant proles into correct and Heavenly sanctioned understanding , of course. That being the natural function of a Dear Leader .

Me, I nailed the tenets of my belief to the mast many years ago. That Red Flag flying there. I wonder how many of those tenets will be proscribed under the new "List of Rules" . Well, in a Dear Leadership , rules necessarily reflect the personal opinions of the Dear Leader .Hard to how they could be anything else. In this case one would expect to see the "List of Rules" endorse the right wing, the bourgeois, the politically correct. Supportive of the authoritarian and hostile of dissent. And, of course, proscription of the reverse of those. The ones nailed to that mast. The nails are deep driven. With the BLOODY BIG HAMMER. And there's nowhere near enough pottage here to change that.

I'm not sure if the "List of Rules and Permitted Opinions" is written yet. But I am sure that the "List of Members to be Purged" IS written. 'Tis a lengthy list, I understand. And I'm sure that the name "Ixion" is not too far down it. "Guilty of seeing four fingers".

So, I'll save them the trouble of the purge. I shan’t be too fussed. The site has changed.The communality is fading day by day. Its great quality was an extraordinary understanding of and support for free speech. And, my personal interest, encouraging the new riders. The former is quietly closing the door on its way out. And none of the Heaven Born have shown much interest in the latter so I doubt it will be high up that list of Approved Things to Post About. 'Twill be no sorrow to quit the outward shadow of things that only seem.

Though I may still pop up from time to time, like that *censored* elusive Pimpernel. Not to Break The Rules. Heaven forbid. Just a wee dart here or there, at the dicatorial and pompous . And remind folk of what used to be.

And I imagine I'll see a few of you from time to time on the road . Ride fast, ride safe. It's been a privilege to meet you (cybernautically speaking)

Les.

[ZorsT]

Its been nice "knowing" ya.

Only one place is "safe". Your loonies will miss you

[McJim]

You were supposed to do a triple back flip through a hoop while whistling The Star Spangled Banner.

Take care, ride safe and you're always welcome on any of my rides.

[mooks]

I don't post much here, but I have learnt a huge amount from your posts Ixion, and I thank you for all your easily shared knowledge.
The place won't be the same without you around ..... very sorry to read this...

[Chisanga]

Thanks for your input and contribution Les. I've always valued your advice and opinion. I hope that things work out and you stay around. I'll miss turning up on a ride and seeing you on ANOTHER bike that i've never seen you on before :)

Take care

[Steam]

I'll keep the red flag flying Ixion, although in a greenie hippie-ish kinda way. And not so brainy either.
You are the dude, it will be sad to lose you!


The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts blood dyed its every fold.

Then raise the scarlet standard high. (chorus)
Within its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.

Look round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow's vaults its hymns are sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.

It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.

It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man's frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.

With heads uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.

http://www.comms.dcu.ie/sheehanh/songs/rf-wc-dg.mp2

[Indiana_Jones]

Well close the bloody door!

..........Oh he'll be back, he's just building the suspense

-Indy

[Drum]

Your absence will be a loss to the site. Let's hope this isn't the start of a trend.

[skelstar]

Pity, cheers for all the work you've put into the site Ixion.

[Jeaves]

a tear sheds from all your 2 stroke "wisdom" fans.

[Waylander]

A societies decline begins.

[Toaster]

Yep, thanks for your comments, input and all the other stuff that went way over my head. Ride safe dude.

[tri boy]

Aww f**k, thats a bit rough.
Ya sacrifice someones pet goat?

[Motu]

This is timely Les,as I will be following you out the door.I was going to stop coming here when I started my new job,and only check the site a couple of times after work.....go through about 3 pages before I open a thread.Over the last year I have had many times when I said I couldn't belong to a site which made it's own rules,put it's head in the sand and said 'this is the way we do it.The sun rises in the south,it is the will and the way.The free world can't abide dictators,and I won't belong to a site which is run by one.

Anyway,there is such utter crap on here it's hardly worth a visit.

Ta Ta for now.

If you see a cloud of fast moving dust,don't wave.

[Lissa]

Take Care Ixion. Its a shame you feel you have to 'leave'. :(

[HDTboy]

Let's hope this isn't the start of a trend.
It's not the start my friend. Unfortunately we've been losing good, thought provoking members like Ixion for a while now.

Ixion, when and if we meet, I'll have to buy you a beer

[Blackbird]

Sorry to hear that Ixion - you certainly will be missed. However, even as a new mod, I'm aware that that there is more than one side to any story and a public airing is not the place to do it. The mods are passionate bikers too mate.

Best wishes for the future.

[scumdog]

WHO'S GOING TO KEEP THE SANITY HERE EH?

Maybe he'll return under another guise???

[Steam]

...I'm aware that that there is more than one side to any story and a public airing is not the place to do it. .
I think that's exactly the attitude he may be referring to.

[The Pastor]

And I imagine I'll see a few of you from time to time on the road . Ride fast, ride safe. It's been a privilege to meet you (cybernautically speaking)

Les.




This is ixion, ixion is complaing like old people do

<img src="http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/5286/chopperxt9.jpg">

HARDERN THE F*** UP IXION.




Serriosuly dude, whats your deal? Who cares what the mods think?

Im going to miss you :(.

[Deviant Esq]

Take Care Ixion. Its a shame you feel you have to 'leave'. :(
I quite agree. I'm not an attendant at any Party Elite discussions of course, but I'd be surprised if anyone actually wanted to shunt you out, Ixion. I've always enjoyed your comments and opinions, well writ as they are. And Mr Motu, following him out of the door... sad to see you go as well.

It's a sad day for KB when two guys who were integral members of the site, and two of the most respected to boot, feel as though leaving is the way to go. I know I only speak for myself, but I've been wondering where the two of you had been.

I agree with Ixion - not many seem to care about helping newbies out, and that's a shame. Speaking only for myself I'd have really liked a mentor in Christchurch, someone to ride with frequently and learn from, hear their advice and try things out under their eye. I've tried, and failed, so I mostly ride alone now. 'Tis a shame.

Happy trails you two. I'll happily buy you a beer if I meet you.

[xwhatsit]

Fuck. Damn.

That's really shit. Thanks so much for all your help, Ixion -- immensely appreciated. This will be a huge loss to the site.

Hope to see you in a crowd of bikers one day? I'm sure you'll be instantly recognisable.

Take care, old chap! Watch those nose bleeds and watch out for deep potholes.

[kiwifruit]

thanks for helping breakaway recently

take care

Kind Regards,
Allan.

[TerminalAddict]

you'd think the someone might step in about now and point out all these "exit" posts ... thats what I thunk

perhaps the reigns truely have been handed over, and this is what we have to look forward to .. yay for us

[Lissa]

You know the one person who helped me out the most when I first joined has gone... passed... not his choice. Now two members are CHOOSEING to go, its just sad.

[Big Dave]

:Oi:.......:tugger:

You got a better plan?

[Deviant Esq]

Man, this fscking sucks. I'm sad now :(

[xwhatsit]

Man, this fscking sucks. I'm sad now :(

+1
Put me right off my happy post-ride KB glow. Wish there was some way to convince you to change your mind, but knowing Mr Ixion, not even the largest keg of Speights will sway him.

No chance you'll turn up to any KB rides? I know you went to McJim's a weekend ago.

[Big Dave]

WHO'S GOING TO KEEP THE SANITY HERE EH?

Maybe he'll return under another guise???

I WIL......errr never mind.

[ManDownUnder]

Sorry you feel the need to go. I disagree with your actions but it's respected.

Should we cross paths I'll buy you a beer for every one you buy me
NK

[Conquiztador]

I just got here and ppl are leaving.

Sheit. This always happens to me. What did I say this time??:bye:

[cowpoos]

Well, well. KB recently acquired a new set of Lords and Masters. A Quadrumvirate, forsooth .An "elite" they call themselves (well, Mr Hitcher does , anyway) to "take command" and provide "leadership" for the site. And ensure that the proletariat touch their forelock in approved fashion. A few weeks ago the newly Heaven Born (indeed, for now they are Augusti, and thus gods) indicated that they did not think that my opinions on matters would sit well with this Brave New World. And Dear Leader has now suggested (tactly, but they who rune may rede) that I would be more "comfortable" if I were to quietly remove myself.

Well, I'll wish them well of it. Uneasy lies the head and so on. I'm not sure that I see anyone of the stature of Diocletian here. And *he* had the legions to back him up. Kiwis generally dislike elites (unless they're rugby elites). Goes against our egalitarian, Jack's as good as master history. And bikers' don't much like being commanded. Have a tendency to poke those who try to command them with the proverbial sharp stick.

I dare say that I'd be permitted to hang around, provided I minded my Ps and Qs . And didn't use any naughty words, unsuitable for the kiddywinkies ears. And kept my unpolitically correct and unfashionably working class opinions to myself. Abided by the "consensus" as the phrase was. And followed the Rules.

But y'see, I don't really think I WANT to be Leadered. Be the Dear Leaders ever so elite. I've always ridden my own road. And my opinions have been honed and tempered over more years than many of you have been alive .Not everyone agrees with me of course. And that's not been a problem. 'Tis what debate is about. Gog has his opinion, Magog his. Both get stated and both parties can argue their case. But I'm not about to change them now (well, not unless someone persuades me by logic and debate) , and I wouldn't be "comfortable" (to use Dear Leader's term) in an environment where they would be likely to become victims of the Mysteriously Disappearing Post Disease.(been a bit of that about lately. Must be the weather).

'Twould only be a matter of time before I fell foul of a breach of most of those Rules.Never been very keen on Rules, m'self. We've not actually had many rules (Mr Spankme being a wise man) . I rather think that lamentable lack is going to rectified very soon. Amply rectified. Can't have a "chain of command" without Rules, really. Not logical. And the Heaven Born always need Rules to keep the proles up to the mark.

So, we're going to have a lot more Rules, I guess. And I note the innocuous little phrase in Mr Spankme's announcement "forum layout and content". I don't think then that I'd be too far wide of the mark if I reckoned that some of the new "List of Rules" will relate to site content. Like those Yank sites so approvingly eyed by the Heaven Born. Or, our own dear Snapd. With a Rule to define the site position on every social , political or cultural issue. Purely in the interest of leading the ignorant proles into correct and Heavenly sanctioned understanding , of course. That being the natural function of a Dear Leader .

Me, I nailed the tenets of my belief to the mast many years ago. That Red Flag flying there. I wonder how many of those tenets will be proscribed under the new "List of Rules" . Well, in a Dear Leadership , rules necessarily reflect the personal opinions of the Dear Leader .Hard to how they could be anything else. In this case one would expect to see the "List of Rules" endorse the right wing, the bourgeois, the politically correct. Supportive of the authoritarian and hostile of dissent. And, of course, proscription of the reverse of those. The ones nailed to that mast. The nails are deep driven. With the BLOODY BIG HAMMER. And there's nowhere near enough pottage here to change that.

I'm not sure if the "List of Rules and Permitted Opinions" is written yet. But I am sure that the "List of Members to be Purged" IS written. 'Tis a lengthy list, I understand. And I'm sure that the name "Ixion" is not too far down it. "Guilty of seeing four fingers".

So, I'll save them the trouble of the purge. I shan’t be too fussed. The site has changed.The communality is fading day by day. Its great quality was an extraordinary understanding of and support for free speech. And, my personal interest, encouraging the new riders. The former is quietly closing the door on its way out. And none of the Heaven Born have shown much interest in the latter so I doubt it will be high up that list of Approved Things to Post About. 'Twill be no sorrow to quit the outward shadow of things that only seem.

Though I may still pop up from time to time, like that *censored* elusive Pimpernel. Not to Break The Rules. Heaven forbid. Just a wee dart here or there, at the dicatorial and pompous . And remind folk of what used to be.

And I imagine I'll see a few of you from time to time on the road . Ride fast, ride safe. It's been a privilege to meet you (cybernautically speaking)

Les.
hell dude...either you know some uber big strange words or your a worse speller than me!!!

This thread seems to be almost a semi heads up of something we all don't know about yet...hmmmmmm

[MD]

I always thought that if I lost interest in KB and was going to say farewell I would use that most famous of lines - Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish.
Now Ixion has stolen my thunder. Mind you if I wait long enough I can recycle it unnoticed by the members of the future.
I pay little attention to the politicking on here and shit slinging between members. For no other reason than it just bores me and doesn't warrant a second thought. Maybe I'm running short of brain space like the MacDonalds ads and had to clear out the bitching dept?
But you can't help notice that the site has lost it's appeal of late with bugger all topics catching my, and I guess others, interest. I wonder if the deaths of so many good people who were quite active on KB contributed to the decline? Or is it that some funny-ha-ha-cheeky folks have left for other reasons of late. Who hadn't had a shit fight with winja but still came away liking the prick? Or been annoyed by sk8rboi and Wiked1 (so long now since they left the building I can't remember how their names were spelt?

Ixion, AND Motu thanks for so many very amusing and worthwhile posts. I wish I had met you both in person. Meeting KBers for the first time is never what you expected that person to be. Yes yes it's true I do look just like Brad Pitt, but younger and with more hair. Maybe we agreed on some things and disagreed on others. It's the having the discussion that counts and sharing our thoughts.
Well written farewell by the way Ixion. I'd give you some bling but what's the point now hey.
Possibly the site is just cyclical experiencing ups and downs like any relationship. Take care Guys and pop in once and awhile.
Cheers Mark

[oldrider]

Still a little bit of free country left, free to come, free to go.

Free to decide how you want your own little organisation to run, free to appoint, free to dissapoint!

He who pays the piper calls the tune and Spankme paid for this site.

I don't personally like rules but like you I am free to stay or free to go, if I don't like the way he runs it.

We are only here at his invitation after all.

Like for all of the other participants on this forum, I would like to have met you personally.

One day, hopefully that may still happen, who knows! Cheers and all the best, John..

[rainman]

Now that has spoiled my day. Bummer. I'm a relatively recent member but even I can see a decline in the site of late. Not going to be helped by the departure of luminaries such as yourselves, of course.

Best of luck Ixion, and Motu, and all of the other departees. You will be missed. Ride safe, and thanks.

[howdamnhard]

Wow talk about a wordy epilogue,did you rob a dictionary.Your right people should have freedom of speech.Sorry to see you go o wise one.Keep well.

[Gremlin]

well, as much as I hate these threads, Ixion, you will be missed. All posts have either been humour, or extremely helpful to someone... (well from what I read anyway).

Don't be a stranger :)

[Dadpole]

"Bugger" was the word that sprang to mind when I read the first post. Every watering hole (physical or virtual) needs an elder statesman (or two), and you fitted the job description to a "T". I and many others have valued your contributions here and will miss them. In truth, watching you slowly losing your sanity has helped me keep mine a little longer.
You have your reasons for withdrawing from KB, and I respect them, but you leave a chair in the corner that cannot be taken by another.

I feel I owe you many a beer, so any northern GT750 riding madman I find will be dragged to the nearest hostelry post haste.

[Disco Dan]

This is the Hotel California... "you can check out, but you can never leave"

Your wise words of wisdom and your witty 'directions' involving 'wiggle to the right' will be missed :yes:

[candor]

Not two Goodies atop the disappearing baddie boys. If you don't rub the sticks together you get no fire. Maybe any "issues" can still get resolved.... ?

[Deviant Esq]

"Bugger" was the word that sprang to mind when I read the first post.
Evening Dadpole, good to see you on again.

'Twas pretty much the first thing that sprang to mind when I read the first post too. It's still bloody springing to mind. This caps off a shitty ol' evening just nicely. *Sigh*

[gijoe1313]

:no: :no: :no: I am bereft of ebullient words to effect my state of discombobulation. In reply to your stage exit, I shall only reply "Don't Panic".

[Karma]

Hey,

We're all just words on a screen for most people...

We'll all be forgotten quicker than you think.

[insane1]

he will be missed his words of wisdom you can"t replace the same goes for motu.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Sorry to read this ixion and it is a real shame you feel you need to leave as others before me have said your expetize and guidance will be sorly missed. Hope to me up with you on the road sometime. Look after your self and take care.

Pete & Wendy

[James Deuce]

Well that is a shame, Ixion and Motu both. Just as KB was starting to feel a bit more like it was a couple of years ago.

[avgas]

Oh god Ixion...........retirement will kill ya man!!!
When did Ixion do anything to prompt the mods?
:bye:
Its the spelling wars isnt it?

[James Deuce]

Oh god Ixion...........retirement will kill ya man!!!
When did Ixion do anything to prompt the mods?
:bye:
Its the spelling wars isnt it?

Ixion WAS/IS a Mod.

[Albino]

Attempts to recreate the "good old days" are almost always futile, and usually counter productive.

[Firefight]

to fine members, who provided much information and fun,

a sad trend of late.

good luck to them both and many thanks for their input

I fully understand your rational..


F/F

[Crisis management]

So whats the other side of this story?

When people like Ixion leave I have to reasses my interest in this site, I've put up with the banning of others here, accepting that they probably went too far but when the likes of Ixion infer they are being asked to leave then there is something awfully smelly in the kingdom of Denmark.

So, how about an explanation? I am always ready to hear both sides and now seems like a bloody good time.

[James Deuce]

Eh? Who asked Ixion to leave? Why hasn't someone asked me to leave? I feel left out.

[Crisis management]

Eh? Who asked Ixion to leave? Why hasn't someone asked me to leave? I feel left out.


All right, fuck off jim.

[James Deuce]

Woohoo!!!!

[yungatart]

Ixion and Motu....we are the richer for having "met" you......it is our loss as you leave.
May the biker gods smile on you.

[Kickaha]

So whats the other side of this story?

When people like Ixion leave I have to reasses my interest in this site, I've put up with the banning of others here, accepting that they probably went too far but when the likes of Ixion infer they are being asked to leave then there is something awfully smelly in the kingdom of Denmark.

So, how about an explanation? I am always ready to hear both sides and now seems like a bloody good time.

He wasn't asked to leave and only one member has ever been banned (apart from the odd alias)

[Crisis management]

He wasn't asked to leave and only one member has ever been banned (apart from the odd alias)

I was hoping for a little fuller explanation than this.....

[Sniper]

All the best. See you around matey :)

[Big Dave]

Why hasn't someone asked me to leave? I feel left out.



Your new nickname can be 'directions' - people usually tell him where to go.

[terbang]

Take note Uberfuhrer Hitcher, a very, very well respected and wise member (Ixion) has moved on as a result of the direction you are heading.

[Babelfish]

Ego is a terrible thing, moreso when it tears down quality conversation. Sorry to see you take a break Ixion, I look forward to your rebirth.

[MSTRS]

Sad indeed that one of the most esteemed members feels it necessary to collect his cards. As others have said, there must be more to this than is immediately apparent. If what Ixion hinted at IS the reason, then I fear that we are all on a road to a hiding if we think that KB will be around in the form we know and love for much longer. The Snapd reference was a telling one.
I have enjoyed bantering and helpful exchanges with you, Ixion. Keep well, friend.

[The Stranger]

So whats the other side of this story?

When people like Ixion leave I have to reasses my interest in this site, I've put up with the banning of others here, accepting that they probably went too far but when the likes of Ixion infer they are being asked to leave then there is something awfully smelly in the kingdom of Denmark.

So, how about an explanation? I am always ready to hear both sides and now seems like a bloody good time.

Sounds to me like he didn't like something and was told if he didn't like it (whatever he was objecting to) he could take a hike. No big scandle in that, like it or lump it, the site does belong to Spankme.

You don't leave this site, you leave several thousand friends. That is a hard bridge to burn.

Motorcycling runs in his veins, my bet is he'll be back or at least be a lurker once he has pulled his head in and collected up his toys.

[Ocean1]

And remind folk of what used to be.

Les.

Be nice, certainly the lesser of two weevils.

Maybe you can never step in the same river twice, but the water is as sweet dude.

All the best.

[WRT]

To Ixion and Motu both - I shall miss your input. I had noticed that both of you were not online so much of late. While I haven't always agreed with your posts, you both contributed so much to the site and your knowledge and opinions were amongst ones that I most respected and commonly sought.

Ixion - you have been a champion of bikers rights, and of the mighty two stroke. Long may your work continue.

Motu - your knowledge of all things mechanical and your clever wit have provided great value to this site. How I miss your reign as Evil Clown - do we even still have that flame warrior or has he too fallen foul of the powers that be?

Gentlemen, may the Biker Gods smile fondly on all your adventures. Respect, and peace out.

[Lias]

Take note Uberfuhrer Hitcher, a very, very well respected and wise member (Ixion) has moved on as a result of the direction you are heading.
Egad's we agree on something!


Ixion and Motu....we are the richer for having "met" you......it is our loss as you leave.
May the biker gods smile on you.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Only managed to meat Motu and Ixion once each, but they both seemed top blokes in person and I always enjoyed their posts online.

[Paul in NZ]

Well this is sad - especially at a time when I thought the site was actually improving.

Like us all - I've had times when I've walked away from KB. Last time it was because of an element I disapproved of but didn't understand. Eventually I realised that this was simply life teaching me yet another lesson about humanity and since then I have tried not to place my own happiness in the hands of others. It was a worthwhile experience eventually.

Ixion and Motu are a valuable asset to the site but are free to come and go - I suspect like all of us they have led multiple lives and we have not seen the back of them yet as events change us and force us into different roles. Motu i have met in real life, I've spent time under his roof and consider him a friend - please don't be a stranger.

KB has given me a lot - friendships and recently more tangible help. This is a community and I have a feeling it's becoming a better one but perhaps we should all model our ideal behaviours instead of worring too much what others may think of them.

[terbang]

An absolutely resounding silence from the mods here..!

[iwilde]

Why leave and let them win? Stick around and be a pimple on their arse!

[Lissa]

I cant bling atm but thought your post was awesome.

Eventually I realised that this was simply life teaching me yet another lesson about humanity and since then I have tried not to place my own happiness in the hands of others.I think a few of us need to learn that lesson... well written :)

I dont know Ixion or motu in person, but I have meet alot of Kbers while I have been on line, and every single one of them has been helpful and kind..even the mods (ok some give me shit, but I can handle the jandle). Just hope they come back at some stage.

[merv]

You always sounded like a sensible old bugger to me, what happened?

[James Deuce]

An absolutely resounding silence from the mods here..!

Not quite.

However, Damned if you do and damned if you don't springs to mind.

[Joni]

However, Damned if you do and damned if you don't springs to mind.Exactly...

I am not quite sure what people want from us right now... they have already made up their minds!

[Edbear]

Exactly...

I am not quite sure what people want from us right now... they have already made up their minds!



I made my bed, but my mind's still in a state of dissarray...:yes:

[merv]

Exactly...

I am not quite sure what people want from us right now... they have already made up their minds!

The truth usually helps.

Just tell us like it is.

[Crisis management]

Exactly...

I am not quite sure what people want from us right now... they have already made up their minds!

Well, I haven't Joni, I was hoping for some form of "other side of the arquement" explanation. I have a lot of respect for Les and when he says stuff I listen and would appreciate seeing the whole picture.
If you can't / don't want to reply thats ok but at least state that.

[MSTRS]

Exactly...

I am not quite sure what people want from us right now... they have already made up their minds!

Ixion's hints, without rebuttal, leave us with little choice but to assume it is a clash of moderating opinion/direction.

[terbang]

Well, I haven't Joni, I was hoping for some form of "other side of the arquement" explanation. I have a lot of respect for Les and when he says stuff I listen and would appreciate seeing the whole picture.
If you can't / don't want to reply thats ok but at least state that.

Yup I agree, Mods please explain as this guy was no lightweight to the motorcycle community and kept a very level head over a large range of issues. He was a valued contributor to this site offering good stable advice and leadership to many newer riders here.

[skelstar]

Christ, is everyone sitting around waiting for a reason to have another go at the mods? (not meaning you Ix)... if you're not happy with the way that someone runs their site then vote with your feet like Ix has, or just deal with it and enjoy it for what it is.

[James Deuce]

terbang, MSTRS, seriously, I have no idea what's prompted Ixion and Motu's decision.

[The Stranger]

The truth usually helps.

Just tell us like it is.


Why? What business is it of yours?

[Paul in NZ]

I don't need to know.

I have never been punished here for saying what I think so I'm guessing there is a simple non alinghment of ideals. To function - the leaders of an organisim must have a similar value set and direction. Ixion's value to KB was as a contributing member and perhaps not as a mod, the two are quite seperate but if he feels they are tangled together it is his call - a sad one but his call.

Cheers

[MSTRS]

terbang, MSTRS, seriously, I have no idea what's prompted Ixion and Motu's decision.

Specifically, no. In general terms though, it seems clear. Certainly is a loss to all of us, whatever the reason(s).

[Hitcher]

Take note Uberfuhrer Hitcher, a very, very well respected and wise member (Ixion) has moved on as a result of the direction you are heading.

And what direction would that be? I should admit feeling very hurt by Ixion's parting shot for several reasons, the least important of which was a personal attack on me. But I am even more saddened, as most others are, at the loss of a person who has been a powerful and valued contributor to this site for a very long time.

Being a moderator is a thankless task, not that any of us do this for the thanks. And there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes, in the engine room as it were, that most members are unaware of. Mods haven't all been somehow assimilated by the Borg and we value the different perspectives and skills we all have. Spankme's recent decision to step back from the day to day management of the site has impacted on the roles that moderators have traditionally played, and we're still coming to terms with this. We won't always get things "right", but in some cases there are no right answers. We're trying to work as a team and to understand what that means operationally.

Farewell Ixion and Motu. I'll really miss having you guys around.

[terbang]

Christ, is everyone sitting around waiting for a reason to have another go at the mods? (not meaning you Ix)... if you're not happy with the way that someone runs their site then vote with your feet like Ix has, or just deal with it and enjoy it for what it is.

Well yeah but if we all voted with our feet then it would be up to hitcher to explain to spank why he had to turn the lights out. The site needs membership or else it is nothing more than just a bunch of wuns and zero's. There has been a fairly rapid exodus recently (for various reasons) by some of the more colourful and interesting people on this board. People that were often well respected and others that amused, they made it what it was. Are we all now to be blue eyed and Aryan for the new reign and only say "jolly nice bike those FJR 1300's and I once rode a ST1300 too" because questioning why some of our friends dissappear is also verboten.

[Wolf]

:gob:

Gobsmacked.

Utterly fucking gobsmacked.

[Crisis management]

Thanks Hitcher (& others), I'm not sure that I'm any the wiser, but you have replied and thats suffice for me.


Ta.

[Joni]

Well said Hitch. :sunny:


To function - the leaders of an organisim must have a similar value set and direction. Ixion's value to KB was as a contributing member and perhaps not as a mod, the two are quite seperate but if he feels they are tangled together it is his call - a sad one but his call.I think this explains my personal standing better than I could.

Change brings different reactions out in different people.

The Senior mods are working as a team to help better the site, we are doing our best in sometimes tricky situations.

I hope Ixion does change his mind and return to Hotel California, he departing speach, may have taken a cheap and personal shot at Hitch, which I dont think is fair... but at the end of the day, his contribution has been very valued - even to me as a person, I learned heaps from Les.

[u4ea]

:gob:

Gobsmacked.

Utterly fucking gobsmacked.
........meeeeee too

[MSTRS]

Although performing a thankless task, with outcomes that seldom keep everybody happy, there must be a lesson to be learned by the mods (and the rest of us too).....if something isn't broken, then don't fix it!!

[avgas]

Ixion WAS/IS a Mod.
Thats what i thought.
Is no one safe?.......Oh hang this is NZ....so no, no one is ever safe.

[skelstar]

Well yeah but if we all voted with our feet then it would be up to hitcher to explain to spank why he had to turn the lights out.
Sure, I haven't been here for more than two years (18 months) but people have complained from day one about how the site is run, claiming that they, the people, have ownership...usually the people that haven't been here for a long amount of time either.

The only significant change that I've seen the site make for anyone one individual is when they have ceased logging on. I think PaulInNZ addresses this point.

[Grahameeboy]

And what direction would that be? I should admit feeling very hurt by Ixion's parting shot for several reasons, the least important of which was a personal attack on me. But I am even more saddened, as most others are, at the loss of a person who has been a powerful and valued contributor to this site for a very long time.

Being a moderator is a thankless task, not that any of us do this for the thanks. And there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes, in the engine room as it were, that most members are unaware of. Mods haven't all been somehow assimilated by the Borg and we value the different perspectives and skills we all have. Spankme's recent decision to step back from the day to day management of the site has impacted on the roles that moderators have traditionally played, and we're still coming to terms with this. We won't always get things "right", but in some cases there are no right answers. We're trying to work as a team and to understand what that means operationally.

Farewell Ixion and Motu. I'll really miss having you guys around.

Well said Hitcher.

Why do some people have to do a Thread speel about why they are leaving.......just says one thing to me.........some people cannot get out of the cot eh.......

It is sad but I also think Ixion, despite his contributions, is also sad.......it is only a website forum for Poos Sake...sorry cannot say Christ for obvious reasons and my Daughter likes Poo Bear so first thing that came to mind..

[Winston001]

I don't have the faintest idea what this is about Ixion but can say I've enjoyed debating with you in the past. It would be fair to say that the quality of argument from yourself and Motu is what has kept me browsing this forum.

Having said that, it has seemed that the issues discussed have declined over the past 3 months but thats only my impression as an occasional visitor.

[Macktheknife]

Les, sorry to hear you have made this decision. I have always enjoyed your posts and respected your knowledge.
For myself, I continue to 'use' this site because of the people I meet and converse with, yourself included, and as long as there's quality people to meet and fun to be had I will continue to enjoy it. Ride safe and well, see you on the road.
Regards
Mack

[Bend-it]

Yeah, whatever man... Trying to sound like a gruff working class bloke and all that, but needing to leave a last winge before going...

KB is what it is, and is evolving just like anything else that is alive. If one doesn't like where it's going, then just decide it's not you and stop coming by, I really don't understand the "boo hoo, I'm leaving because the mods are evil *stamp foot*" bollocks.

Ride safe.

[Holy Roller]

:bye: :bye: :bye:
First reading thought it was a rev up feeding the fish a post not at all like Ixion. I cant recall any post or thread to substanciate this action but thyen most of my reading is done on night shift and most stuff just overs over the head anyway. Ixion always had great posts and comments that I will miss. Hope to catch up some time if and when the old girl gets back on the road.

[Big Dave]

Blah blah blah.

Credit original poster - but I can't remember who it was.

[onearmedbandit]

Rather than hijacking Ixion's thread, I have put my thoughts here. (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=1077418#post1077418)

[scumdog]

Ixion and Motu....we are the richer for having "met" you......it is our loss as you leave.
May the biker gods smile on you.


That goes for me too.

WHO is going to guide the younger ones now??

[terbang]

That goes for me too.

WHO is going to guide the younger ones now??

Looks like its up to you young fella. Uh oh harley, tassles and rabbit stew forums eh..?

[Grahameeboy]

That goes for me too.

WHO is going to guide the younger ones now??

I am happy to guide the young boys (over 18's that is):dodge:

[MisterD]

Scratch one Elder Statesman of KB....sad day.

[Biff]

Oh bugger, there goes another good un.

This site sure has changed over the last few years. I'm still trying to decide whether it's for the good or bad. There's certainly more shit on here than there used to be, hence the reason why we (that includes you Ixion) mods need to be more vigilant and impose what few rules there are around here. I guess something in particular has upset you.

I for one have disagreed with many decisions individual mods have made on here over the years, and in more recent months, but then again we are all individuals. Hence the reason why I find it a little dissapointing you have targetted 'us', and in particulatr Mr H. So all round - I disagree with your steer.

We didn't always agree, never the less I found you agreeable, and a valuable contibuter to this site.

You'll be missed. Enjoy the break. I did.

Motu - another legend.

Take care guys.

[The Stranger]

WHO is going to guide the younger ones now??

Fear not scummy, we still have Disco Dan, your future son in law.

[candor]

Why are some treating it like this must be a one party at fault divorce.

Seems there was a disagreement, Ixion took time out to think or cool down.... then found his moderator status just GONE as he had not apparently come back to the table fast enough.

I really think that if he had "thrown his toys out of the cot" he just might have done the "I'm leaving post" a couple of weeks ago.

His point he made (to my view) is that the site is changing. In his opinion that he is entitled to, not for the better, and that it is something members might do well to question. T do that the facts re site changes needed outing.

And now hey have been - there is to be more "consistency" ie USE of moderating powers. That can only mean a harder line.

There was a bit of a "winge" element to his post - so what, why not too!
The good levity given to posters here in the past keep the site pumping imo.

[Toaster]

Well close the bloody door!

..........Oh he'll be back, he's just building the suspense

-Indy

He's doing an Arnie "I'll be baaack"

You've been quiet lately - AJ slapping you round too much dude?

[Grahameeboy]

Why are some treating it like this must be a one party at fault divorce.

Seems there was a disagreement, Ixion took time out to think or cool down.... then found his moderator status just GONE as he had not apparently come back to the table fast enough.

I really think that if he had "thrown his toys out of the cot" he just might have done the "I'm leaving post" a couple of weeks ago.

His point he made (to my view) is that the site is changing. In his opinion that he is entitled to, not for the better, and that it is something members might do well to question. T do that the facts re site changes needed outing.

And now hey have been - there is to be more "consistency" ie USE of moderating powers. That can only mean a harder line.

There was a bit of a "winge" element to his post - so what, why not too!
The good levity given to posters here in the past keep the site pumping imo.

Because Ixion decided to split, he only lost his MOD status for 'Poos' sake.

Why didn't he just make his point and leave it at that.

[Wolf]

for 'Poos' sake.
With the apostrophes, it looks like "for the sake of someone whose name ends in poos" and leaves me wondering why anyone would do anything for cowpoos' sake...

except possibly hide all electric fly zappers...

:D

[Fatjim]

Sometimes I think this site is like when you brought your first girlfriend home and mum keeps poking her head round your bedroom door to check your not doing anything you shouldn't.

I feel like screaming "leave us alone Mum!"

Funny, cause Hitcher looks nothing like my Mum.



Odds, on this post being shifted?
$1.20

[Squiggles]

thanks for all the 2-stroke knowledge you've gifted us ixion

right now, time to turn into the next WINJA

[merv]

As for Motu what's the grumpy old bugger packing a sad over to leave us for?

I always enjoyed his comments and try as I did to get him adventure riding with us he only came down here in his car.

[MD]

Eh? Who asked Ixion to leave? Why hasn't someone asked me to leave? I feel left out.


We can't have that then, can we Jim. We don't want you getting upset and leaving as well. So if it makes you feel better Jim..pick one of these;
- Jim dear we would appreciate your departure
- Jim sort of dearest, please leave
- you there sonny, go away
- Jim, leave now
- Jim f%#@ off you *&%$

Anyone else need cheering up?

[Riff Raff]

Anyone else need cheering up?

Yes please...

[Donor]

From another thread, on another topic, this gem.

"Mod Warning: Be nice people."

I have chosen not to link the thread, anyone sad enough can hunt it out.

I highlight it simply as an example of why a lot of people feel they have to tread eggshells where the moderating team are concerned these days.

Personally, I don't think it's what the moderators say or do, rather it's how it is done, and the associated secret squirrel stuff that goes with it.

Frankly, I don't care. I have a wife, she's scarier than any moderator, and her infractions carry a damn sight more weight than threats of restrictions on my postings to an internet message forum.

But that's me, others, well they take these things a little more seriously.

That's my 2 cents, do I get any change?

[James Deuce]

Up yours Donor.

I had a discussion with a KB member in meatspace today and he quite rightly pointed out that Kbers can be bloody hard on newbies.

If you've got something say to me, how about you do it instead of being a wuss? Without the link the context is lost, and that particular thread has actually turned out to be a lot of fun.

On that note, here's my Ixion moment.

Bye.

[Donor]

Up yours Donor.

I had a discussion with a KB member in meatspace today and he quite rightly pointed out that Kbers can be bloody hard on newbies.

If you've got something say to me, how about you do it instead of being a wuss? Without the link the context is lost, and that particular thread has actually turned out to be a lot of fun.

On that note, here's my Ixion moment.

Bye.

Whatever pal, the context had nothing and everything to do with this thread.

It was to highlight how people react to things in different ways, how interpretation of context can differ between individuals, hence why I didn't link the thread.

I suppose I should retort with nasty words, but there's really no point in it.

[chanceyy]

sorry to see some more ppl leave ..

this is definately a wonderful community of ppl who with the diversity of individuals who will at times throw all of their toys outta the cot, re evaluate or re prioritise important things in their lives. And sometimes that is not a bad thing .. esp if you lose your ability to impartiality

so ppl come ppl go .. kinda reminds us of life & death but in a softer manner ..they are still out there somewhere ..


personally if ixion & motu feel like they do then its time for them to take a break & perhaps we will see them back with a different prospective .. :dodge:

after all we are all just small fish in a massive lake called the internet :shutup:

[BarBender]

Les - Hope to catch you on the road some time. I'm going to miss your intellect and wisdom. Regards to Petal, Ratty and UrberHoovermatics...

Motu - Didnt know you that well, but good luck to ya.

:bye:

[The Stranger]

The free world can't abide dictators,and I won't belong to a site which is run by one.

Anyway,there is such utter crap on here it's hardly worth a visit.


This is probably a piss take, but fuck it.

Have you met Spankme?
I don't know Spankme very well at all, but the things that strike me most about him are his generosity and his commitment to his ideals, despite the fact that no good deed shall go unpunished and every bastard moans about his effort and hard work.
He gives freely of his time and asks for nothing in return.
There is no commercial sponsorship.
Has anyone been made to pay to use this site?
He is committed to free speech and minimal censorship.
Are these really traits of a dictator?

Pleased to see the back of you, you bloody ungrateful prick.

[Joni]

Wow... I see where you are going with this... but easy does it mate! :shit:

edit - btw the way you describe Spank, you make him sound like a saint, and thats one thing he aint, but yes a damn good man none the less.

[Maha]

Pleased to see the back of you, you grateful prick.


Bet you say that to all the boys.....

[Disco Dan]

This is probably a piss take, but fuck it.

Have you met Spankme?
I don't know Spankme very well at all, but the things that strike me most about him are his generosity and his commitment to his ideals, despite the fact that no good deed shall go unpunished and every bastard moans about his effort and hard work.
He gives freely of his time and asks for nothing in return.
There is no commercial sponsorship.
Has anyone been made to pay to use this site?
He is committed to free speech and minimal censorship.
Are these really traits of a dictator?

Pleased to see the back of you, you bloody ungrateful prick.

Ungrateful, yes. Bloody prick? not so sure...

[The Stranger]

Bet you say that to all the boys.....

Don't tell me you have a Meat Loaf shrine too?

Oh wait, I think I have seen it.

[zeocen]

Jeez, the internet is serious business.

I should check this forum more often, it's a laugh a minute.

[Scouse]

Sorry that you felt you had to part ways there Les whats the big deal with having to be a Mod no one respects you less for not being a Mod, so I just dont get it, it is bit sad to see a wise man walk just because he lost his moderatorship toughen up stop acting like a petulent school girl your better than that

[ZeroIndex]

Goodbye, and thanks for all the fish

It was actually: So long and thanks for all the fish.


...Damn I love that movie :)

[Swoop]

Take Care Ixion. Its a shame you feel you have to 'leave'. :(
"Pushed" is "having to leave"?

This is probably a piss take, but fuck it.

Have you met Spankme?
I don't know Spankme very well at all, but the things that strike me most about him are his generosity and his commitment to his ideals, despite the fact that no good deed shall go unpunished and every bastard moans about his effort and hard work.
He gives freely of his time and asks for nothing in return.
There is no commercial sponsorship.
Has anyone been made to pay to use this site?
He is committed to free speech and minimal censorship.
Are these really traits of a dictator?

Pleased to see the back of you, you bloody ungrateful prick.
Who says this is anything to do with Spank?
It has been quite clearly stated that there has been "no change to the site rules".
Obviously the interpretation of those "rules" has changed.

[onearmedbandit]

"Pushed" is "having to leave"?

Who says this is anything to do with Spank?
It has been quite clearly stated that there has been "no change to the site rules".
Obviously the interpretation of those "rules" has changed.

Care to elaborate Swoop?

[The Stranger]

Who says this is anything to do with Spank?


To quote Motu "and I won't belong to a site which is run by one"

The only one person who runs this site is Spankme. Oh and Motu knows this only too well.

[Hitcher]

"Pushed" is "having to leave"?

We're not using Roman numerals to add here, people.

[Swoop]

To quote Motu "and I won't belong to a site which is run by one"

The only one person who runs this site is Spankme. Oh and Motu knows this only too well.

Spank has handed the reigns to the senior mods...

[The Stranger]

Spank has handed the reigns to the senior mods...

I accept you are having a genuine problem understanding the definition of one and will just agree to disagree.

All the best.

[Swoop]

I accept you are having a genuine problem understanding the definition of one and will just agree to disagree.

All the best.
Fair enough.
I realise that KB is a marketing tool for you, but "polly" seems to represent a proportion of the mod's effort.

[Swoop]

Ixion. Many thanks for your posts and guidance. Motu, exactly the same applies!
You both represent the biker, who gives their time without reservation for those with questions.
I have tried to emulate your example with those who are new to the site. Welcoming those who have "lurked" and nervously enter...
Both, your approach, knowledge, intelect, perseverance, love and dedication, has NOT been overlooked. I take my hat off to you both.

KB has been through a period of three months of mutating into what it is is today. Those who we knew as the life of the place, are no more. KB is not representative of "fun", as we knew it. Loud mouthed, egotistical, etc.
I have done the Coro loop twice in the last two days, un-aware of the changes that we are going through as a community. Thoughts of those members that we leave behind have not been far from my mind during that time. I wished I had the skills that have not been passed on from them, but know that we, as a community, need to see further than that which we see currently.
Kia Kaha.

[James Deuce]

Swoop. You're adding I+I and getting 11.

[SPman]

Leon has left the Kremlin!

I hear it's nice in Mexico this time of year......................

[Mumbles]

This is really starting to suck, everytime I get a chance to logon somone is/has logged off.
Thanks for the wisdom, honesty and fun posts. :bye:
FARK.... I need some chocolate .... or a beer or BOTH

[RC1]

:bye: :bye: :violin:

[Oakie]

Ahh people come, people go ... that's life. It just means we're a dynamic community like any real world small community.

While it's sad to see people leave, especially those who have posted intelligently and been thought provoking, it's also a bit refreshing as it means that others who have been posting away quietly in the background will have a vacant space into which to step so they can be the next frequent posting thought provoker.

As long as we get more people posting in the 'New Members' section than we have old members posting their swan-song in 'Rant or Rave' then it's all good.

[Mystery]

Fair enough.
I realise that KB is a marketing tool for you, but "polly" seems to represent a proportion of the mod's effort.

Swoop, The Stranger runs an IT Service Company and Ive never seen him market that on here. Like Ixion and others members here, he is a member of BRONZ (non-profit org), he gives up every 3rd Sunday to be a volunteer instructor at the RRRS Course. He enters this in the Calendar because he believes it is worthwhile course that could save lives.
He will help any Kiwibiker/biker with advice, mechanical issues or help with maintenance. He has picked up and delivered numerous bikes for fellow kiwibikers and will teach anyone who is keen to learn how to ride. If he knows you, he would loan you a bike without thinking twice. He expects nothing in return for any of this. He is one of those bikers who loves biking and sharing his knowledge. :scooter: Believe it or not he IS one of the good guys.:innocent:
I dont understand why you say he is using this site as a marketing tool.

[Blondini]

Hey,

We're all just words on a screen for most people...

We'll all be forgotten quicker than you think.

I have to disagree.I have met some real decent people on here that have made a big difference in my life and I will ALWAYS remember them...some more than others...Ixion I will miss you too ,I remember you everytime i see a big white bike...hey...I have a big white bike:love:

[puddy]

If ya can't say it in 10000 posts........ya probably can't say it!

[sels1]

Ixion and Motu
Thanks for all your input over the years, I for one, appreciated your efforts.
Au revior.

[Storm]

Ixion and Motu
Thanks for all your input over the years, I for one, appreciated your efforts.
Au revior.

Exactly what that man said. Enjoy the biking lads, might see you out there one day:D

[Grahameeboy]

Ixion and Motu
Thanks for all your input over the years, I for one, appreciated your efforts.
Au revior.

Trouble is we are often remembered for the last thing we did....

[Chisanga]

Trouble is we are often remembered for the last thing we did....

In that case i'll remember Ixion for overtaking me on the way out to Kawakawa Bay today :)

[xwhatsit]

Was he there too? *Groan*

I seem fated to continually ignore the man. Need to go on more KB rides and spend less time sleeping, lol.

Need to meet him in person to shake his hand.

Motu, Jim2, one day you await the same fate, like it or not.

[Chisanga]

Was he there too? *Groan*

I seem fated to continually ignore the man. Need to go on more KB rides and spend less time sleeping, lol.

Need to meet him in person to shake his hand.

Motu, Jim2, one day you await the same fate, like it or not.

Indeed he was. On his SV. Good cross-section of people. Although only a few on 250s and I turned back early due to being shattered :)

Be good to go on another ride with you at some stage

[mikey]

Yup I agree, Mods please explain as this guy was no lightweight to the motorcycle community and kept a very level head over a large range of issues. He was a valued contributor to this site offering good stable advice and leadership to many newer riders here.
I think the other mods also got Fed up with his continual protection of idiotic newbies who can't ride to literally save themselves, those who dont have bikes and never will , kitty aj etc, depressive share my life types, the good god likes motorcycles types, as its hard work keeping up a few alter egos on the go when ixion infracts and bans them so quick.
I say fair call. This place isnt a democracy, pot shots (offensive or not) at those whose opinons you think are idiotic should be tolerated. The place will be better for it.

[scumdog]

This place isnt a democracy, pot shots (offensive or not) at those whose opinons you think are idiotic should be tolerated. The place will be better for it.

Hmmm, for some it would be like shooting fish in a barrel should they take a mind to start taking pot shots. (offensive or not)

[Deviant Esq]

I think the other mods also got Fed up with his continual protection of idiotic newbies who can't ride to literally save themselves, those who dont have bikes and never will , kitty aj etc, depressive share my life types, the good god likes motorcycles types...
I sincerely hope you're joking or just full of crap. Who really hates newbies, when it comes down to it? Sure, some aren't very good riders, but I'll bet that when you first started riding you weren't too crash hot either. We've all gotta start somewhere! If bikers were generally more supportive and encouraging to newbies we'd have more of them sticking with it and becoming good riders, graduating to bigger bikes, they'd be people you'd enjoy riding with... and in turn they'd help the next lot of newbies with their experience. Good for motorcycling as a whole. The guys who go out of their way to help newbies out, tolerate their torrent of questions and help them improve their riding, deserve much respect.

Those who don't have bikes and never will? Come on. Kitty has got a bike already. AJ would love one but currently cannot afford one, so makes do riding pillion. But she wants to get into biking, and this is how you'd encourage her, by telling her to piss off? Bugger that mate. Know them before you judge them.

[jrandom]

... I'll bet that when you first started riding you weren't too crash hot either.

Actually, mikey was pretty much the Man. When he started. It was all downhill from there, though.


AJ... makes do... Know them before you judge them.

He does.

Sorry, dude. I'm with mikey on this one.

Then again, he and I tend to form congruent judgments. I could be biased.

I'm willing to stipulate, however, that a moderate No Doz overdose may be preventing me from making sense right now.

[Deviant Esq]

He does.

Sorry dude, I'm with Mikey on this one.
Okay, so he knows them. Suuure. He "knew" that Kitty didn't have a bike, right? She's had one for a while now. Sounds like he knows her really well. Another thing even if he had his facts straight... why the personal shots at them? Sure, you might be able to use them as examples, but that's below the belt unless you're intending on insulting them. I think it's no wonder that new riders feel so useless sometimes, when this sort of attitude is directed at them:

...continual protection of idiotic newbies who can't ride to literally save themselves...
I'd like to ask how he'd feel if when he was a newbie he got this sort of crap chucked at him. It's so short sighted and ill thought out it makes me want to punch something. Not all newbies are idiotic, and some are actually pretty solid riders, but calling them useless just because they're new does nothing for motorcycling as a whole. Even if they aren't so good at riding yet, they'll improve, and helping them means they improve WAY faster too.

So you hate newbies too huh?

[jrandom]

So you hate newbies too huh?

No, not at all.

In fact, my post didn't really have anything to do with what it was ostensibly discussing.

[RON SOAK]

This place isnt a democracy, pot shots (offensive or not) at those whose opinons you think are idiotic should be tolerated. The place will be better for it.
I reckon...........
Jeez - I fuck off for a year or so and come back to more drama than a Bastard Neighbours tv show

[riffer]

I'd like to ask how he'd feel if when he was a newbie he got this sort of crap chucked at him.

Ummm. IIRC Mikey copped a showerload of shit when he first started. :mellow:

[Trudes]

I thought it was an initiation for noobs to get given utter shit???

[James Deuce]

Personally I'd like to see the initiation change back to the way it used to be - a pleasant welcome, irrespective of whether or not you've started a thread with your first post that digs up a concept that's been done to death.

[Crisis management]

Right, nothings changed here, I'll pop back in another week and check again.


Carry on.

[skelstar]

I haven't seen any real evidence of newbies getting shit unless they deserve it...particularly the some idiotic young guys who issue challenges with <3000kms riding experience and on their 20 yr old 250's...

I tire of all the 'me me me' bullshit from the odd non-riding member. Its all very well for a non-rider to come on here getting advice etc, but to use this site as their own friggin fan club is quite frankly embarrasing. Post pictures of yourself somewhere else.

...but then, its not my site, so i'll just deal.

[Sniper]

I tire of all the 'me me me' bullshit from the odd non-riding member. Its all very well for a non-rider to come on here getting advice etc, but to use this site as their own friggin fan club is quite frankly embarrasing. Post pictures of yourself somewhere else.

...but then, its not my site, so i'll just deal.

Sorry :innocent:

[Deviant Esq]

I haven't seen any real evidence of newbies getting shit unless they deserve it...particularly the some idiotic young guys who issue challenges with <3000kms riding experience and on their 20 yr old 250's...

I tire of all the 'me me me' bullshit from the odd non-riding member. Its all very well for a non-rider to come on here getting advice etc, but to use this site as their own friggin fan club is quite frankly embarrasing. Post pictures of yourself somewhere else.
Good points right there. I know there are some idiotic young guys doing just what you say above... and it's embarrassing to read let alone embarrassing to them - if they'd only realise it. So yes, some do deserve the shit they get. But to label all newbies as stupid, and not worth the effort gone to to help them become a better rider or the encouragement to keep at it... that pisses me off. How else are people supposed to get into biking, or to get better at it if there is only scorn for them? I'd have liked more support and encouragement when I first started out.

Good point about those non riding members too. Some non riding members are just bikers who haven't got a bike yet... but yeah some are just building a fan club, as you say. Still, if they get someone mouthing off in person about bikers, they're more likely to defend bikers having known some. And really, if females want to post pics of themselves, who are we to argue? :whistle:

[Hitcher]

I tire of all the 'me me me' bullshit from the odd non-riding member. Its all very well for a non-rider to come on here getting advice etc, but to use this site as their own friggin fan club is quite frankly embarrasing. Post pictures of yourself somewhere else.

At least they generally gravitate to the extremely erudite and pithy comment thread that is LOTPIHGAD, apart from odd occasions when they venture forth to moan about their unfulfilled lives. There are times when I think that a web site with a name like "myspace.com" could be useful for these poor dears. But it probably wouldn't catch on.

[Pixie]

:zzzz:
Uh?
What's happened?
Rules?
I thought KB was getting boringer and boringer.
So it has been taken over by those little men in the white coats?
You know the ones - the ones that try to make you park your bike on the soft ground at pukekohe track -and by their actions,beg you to run them over.:nono:

All organisations eventually enter a decline
I'm taking wagers on how long KB has left.

[Pixie]

Only managed to meat Motu and Ixion once each,

Being meated sounds unpleasant and humiliating.
Maybe that is why they are leaving?

[Big Dave]

Being meated sounds unpleasant and humiliating.
Maybe that is why they are leaving?

New Motu Silly Sausages. - I'll tell him that next adventure ride.

[Wolf]

Being meated sounds unpleasant and humiliating.
Especially being meated by Lias... :puke:

[Oscar]

New Motu Silly Sausages. - I'll tell him that next adventure ride.

You going to Awakino?

[hyobad]

Where are all the fish?

[Wellyman]

Too many of these fucken threads. why can't they PM the people they love and want to say goodbye to , and fuck off quietly.
WM

[Virago]

Where are all the fish?

They turned into something even more random.

[vifferman]

Too many of these fucken threads. why can't they PM the people they love and want to say goodbye to , and fuck off quietly.
WM
Too many of these threads being dredged up out of the dark and distant past...

[Joni]

Too many of these fucken threads. why can't they PM the people they love and want to say goodbye to , and fuck off quietly.
WMHuh!? What... how the hell can they grand stand and make their point otherwise?! :rolleyes: