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Toaster
2nd June 2007, 10:31
Something to think about before drinking and riding/driving. To any mum's out there who drink too much then drive - I still remember the pain as a child of my Mum not coming home on the morning of my 10th birthday... because she crashed head-on into another car in Upper Hutt - because she was drunk. She was certainly injured, but survived. However, I have never forgotten that lesson and how empty a birthday it was.

Article from Stuff news:

Most of the country's worst drink-drivers are men - but police are alarmed that more women loaded with alcohol are getting behind the wheel.

A week ago a 27-year-old unemployed woman was caught driving with nearly five times the legal limit of alcohol in her system.

A concerned motorist followed her for about 4km before managing to snatch her keys and get her off the road.

When police arrived they were astounded. The woman, who was allegedly on her way to see her AA adviser, was asleep, slumped over the wheel.

When she woke she struggled to talk and couldn't stand or sit upright on her own. She blew 1943mcg a litre of breath, a reading some police say should have killed her.

One Auckland traffic sergeant said he had not seen such a high reading in his 21 years as an officer. Some media said it was the highest breath-alcohol reading ever recorded.

But, as bad as the woman's reading was, it wasn't in the top 10.

According to Ministry of Transport statistics, the worst drink-driver was nearly six times over the limit.


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AdvertisementThe man, who was in his late 50s, blew 2352mcg in 2004. His record was followed by that of a Gisborne man who blew 2319mcg in 1998.

The third worst drink-driver was a woman relief teacher who was caught in Papamoa last year.

When the 39-year-old blew into the breath tester it peaked at 2000mcg and couldn't go any higher. A blood test revealed she had 426mg of alcohol a 100ml of blood (roughly the equivalent of 2200mcg a litre of breath.)

Only one other woman, who was from Tasman and in her teens, came in the top 10 readings. She was caught in 2005 with a reading of 1952mcg - the same as two other men.

The woman caught in Auckland last Friday blew just a fraction less, making her reading almost five times over the limit but not enough to make the top 10.

What is of note, though, is that the two women in the top 10 were also the most recent readings in the list - the men's records were all set before 2005.


Auckland road policing manager Heather Wells said she had noticed an increase in women being caught driving with very high levels of alcohol.

She said the trend was worrying as it was traditionally men who were the worst drink-drivers.

"We are apprehending a lot more women, just in the average ranges as well. A couple of years ago it used to be men. Women were the ones who were actually being sober drivers.

"Now we are finding a lot more women coming through. It's no longer the woman being the good person and keeping sober."

Ms Wells isn't sure why the women are drinking and driving but the message is the same as for men.

"Take the responsibility and think about others as well. A lot of women out there have got children and ... it's a really bad example."

Karma
2nd June 2007, 10:45
A week ago a 27-year-old unemployed woman was caught driving with nearly five times the legal limit of alcohol in her system.


That's your tax dollars hard at work there!

Dave Lobster
2nd June 2007, 10:48
I wonder if Queen Helen's (knee jerk) answer would be to make alcohol more expensive, so the unemployed can't afford it.

Curious_AJ
2nd June 2007, 10:53
wow, thats terrible, it sure makes me think twice about the amount i drink (although havnt gotten drunk in a while) but then again, i don't drive coz im only a learner, so i rely on others for transport... it also makes me think of how much they drink then drive... however, most if the time they're really responsible and im greatful for that...

people who drink heavily and then get behind the wheel are stupid...

Flatcap
2nd June 2007, 11:03
I wonder if Queen Helen's (knee jerk) answer would be to make alcohol more expensive, so the unemployed can't afford it.

Nah - then she will have increase the benefit as the bludgers would still buy it and wouldn't be able to pay (power) bills anymore...

Mully
2nd June 2007, 11:12
Nah - then she will have increase the benefit as the bludgers would still buy it and wouldn't be able to pay (power) bills anymore...

Excellent. Bling duly awarded

skelstar
2nd June 2007, 11:36
A week ago a 27-year-old unemployed woman was caught driving with nearly five times the legal limit of alcohol in her system.
I know someone has already quoted this but I want to know what the relevance is to the article/offence? Shock value? ...a nice healthy bout of stereotypism? ...its already worked in this thread.

FFS.

Flatcap
2nd June 2007, 11:48
I know someone has already quoted this but I want to know what the relevance is to the article/offence? Shock value? ...a nice healthy bout of stereotypism? ...its already worked in this thread.

FFS.

Two reasons for relevance
1. The occupation of the offender is always quoted in an article
2. We should all be shocked that it is possible for someone to be unemployed given the state of the economy

skelstar
2nd June 2007, 12:01
1. Ok, fair enough..but convenient we are shocked huh?
2. I could be unemployed tomorrow.

Media just f**ks me off sometimes ;)

Flatcap
2nd June 2007, 12:09
1. Ok, fair enough..but convenient we are shocked huh?
2. I could be unemployed tomorrow.

Media just f**ks me off sometimes ;)


No Skelstar, you will not be unemployed because you have the gumption to quickly get another job. Even if this takes several weeks you would NOT list your occupation as "unemployed"

I agree with you about the media though


*Edit* - "Electronics Engineer"

007XX
2nd June 2007, 12:27
Damn! That's some scary topic right there! There is noway in hell I'd EVER think of drink driving, even less so knowing my son is waiting for me. Sorry Toaster I don't mean to be insensitive to your Mum, but I can't imagine a mother doing that...
I am no angel, but there are certain things that just shouldn't ever be an option. Drink driving doesn't just endanger yourself, but it puts everyone else at risk and that's what really bothers me.
If you want to kill yourself, go and jump off a cliff or something:angry: :angry: :angry: Don't go skidding out of control into a mass of innocent onlookers or something like that!

Sorry folks, but that gets right up my breating passages and makes me see red!

Deviant Esq
2nd June 2007, 16:18
people who drink heavily and then get behind the wheel are stupid...
Just as bad, and going part way to justifying their actions, are people who will get in a car driven by someone who is drunk. Not enough people here take responsibility for getting themselves and their friends home if the driver of the car is too pissed to take the wheel... they just hope it will be alright and the driver isn't that drunk. Noone here thinks about how they'll get home, they just carry on drinking and having fun / drinking their problems into another one.

The general standard of driving in NZ is abysmal as is (of course, all of us are brilliant drivers coz we ride bikes too...), but add to that our record of driving while drunk or under the influence of P, and further add to that the average age of the cars on our roads - which aren't nearly as safe a place to be in the event of a crash as new vehicles with airbags, crumple zones and a protected occupant cabin - and it's a wonder more of us aren't scared to death to use the same roads as these people.

The website brought up by The Guzzi Widow - www.badd.co.nz - illustrates that point with cold clarity.

James Deuce
2nd June 2007, 17:28
Ms Wells isn't sure why the women are drinking and driving but the message is the same as for men.

"Take the responsibility and think about others as well. A lot of women out there have got children and ... it's a really bad example."

So do a lot of men. Sexist tart.

candor
2nd June 2007, 17:46
So do a lot of men. Sexist tart.

Yes but apparently higher standards of modeling safe behaviour are expected of woman. Its the madonna / whore principle at work again.

Also according to this "administration" females are just so much more related to the kids than the daddies..... right?!?!

With half the P users being women thats bound to be ruining the judgment of many pickled btrains around alcohol. Its alsp like the modern breath mint you try if yu want to get served while well sloshed. See bartender - I can do backflips, these wide eyes are not anything like a drunks.

Toaster
3rd June 2007, 14:40
Men and women have equal responsibility. The article is merely indicating the rise of women as representing more in the stats than they used to. An over-the-limit drink driving father is just as bad an example as a over-the-limit drink-driving mother.

Hitcher
3rd June 2007, 15:14
Why are drunk drivers now called "drink" drivers?

Guitana
3rd June 2007, 21:55
Why are drunk drivers now called "drink" drivers?
Why it's just another politically correct way of saying drunk.

When you hear the word DRUNK you get a mental image of a pissed mutant chundering in a gutter and laying in a pool of his own piss!!!!

But when you hear the word DRINK you get a lovely image of beautiful people sipping on a chardonnay!!

Patrick
5th June 2007, 16:27
Why it's just another politically correct way of saying drunk.

When you hear the word DRUNK you get a mental image of a pissed mutant chundering in a gutter and laying in a pool of his own piss!!!!

But when you hear the word DRINK you get a lovely image of beautiful people sipping on a chardonnay!!

Prosecuted both forms of drivers, all too numerous, sadly... tis truly scary what is really out there folks...!!!

MisterD
5th June 2007, 21:55
Why are drunk drivers now called "drink" drivers?

Because you shouldn't drive after drinking, regardless of whether you are yet drunk....do as I say, not as I do:whistle:

Hitcher
5th June 2007, 22:39
Because you shouldn't drive after drinking

After drinking what? Water? A McDonald's strawberry shake?

MisterD
6th June 2007, 06:33
After drinking what? Water? A McDonald's strawberry shake?

Come on Hitcher, don't overdo the pedantry. "Drinking" as a linguisitic convention meaning to drink alcohol is probably as old as the art of making booze

James Deuce
6th June 2007, 06:41
But that's the point. No one is driving a drink.

The ARE driving drunk however.

Hitcher
6th June 2007, 08:57
Come on Hitcher, don't overdo the pedantry. "Drinking" as a linguisitic convention meaning to drink alcohol is probably as old as the art of making booze

"Drinking" is a verb to describe the act of imbibing liquids. "Drink driver" is a sloppy, grammatically incorrect term, probably coined by the same folk that brought you "fishers" and "personnel access hatch". In this context "drink" should not be used as an adjective. What is meant is a driver who is under the affluence of incohol i.e. a "drunk" driver.