Two weird things learnt today; re a basher and an anti-smacker

[candor]

For once in my life I was speechless. Today someone informed me that Sue Bradford is a brilliant woman - our brightest polly in fact.

Naturally I demanded proof and here is what I was told. Her brusque working class public persona is simply a facade to attract "ordinary" folk or it was said that the dumber types of sheep as followers by making them relate to her. Both parents are academics.

She is fluent in a couple of Asian languages, and while Helen was voted one of the most powerful women in the world she won't make a move without doing a Sue-meter. If there is even a grain of truth in this I'm frightened and think we might be blaming the wrong chick - for everything.

Second "hmmmm" moment today came when another interesting fact came to light. A sicko staff person and ducati dude who did things I consider criminal (some said psychopathic) at the hospital we both worked at, (including endangering me and muuuuch worse), has years later just been stripped of his registration and thrown into jail for his fifth DUI and stealing morphine from the latest hospital he infiltrated! Finally someone dobbed him in. Hmmmm, what goes round.

So - is Sue a masterful manipulator or a determined slogger. What say y'all on Sues brain?

[Mully]

She's a retard. Pure and simple. Dumb as a box of hammers.

And you need to hang out with better people.

[Steam]

She's always been a smart cookie, people not liking her politics just blinds them to her brains. She's also disguised as a short, round unattractive woman, which further leads you astray.

[Skyryder]

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Bradford and I recall saying this in other posts so won't go into my reasons for it. I will however give her credit for holding out on the so called anti smacking bill and not allowing it to be watered down. To me that suggests someone with some principles regardless of the the pros and cons of her bill.

I'm not too sure whether she would have made it into Parliment under FPP but then she would not be the only one.

If you look at the woman who are now held in the highest regard in social issues they were the most reviled of their day. Kate Shepard, Sonja Davies are two that spring to mind. They challanged the social mores and issues of the day. Ideals and values that most of society now accepts.

I predict that in the future Bradford will be up there with them.

Skyryder

[Colapop]

Her son rowed (Star club - Wgtn) with mine over the summer just gone. I didn't like her before and I don't like her even more now. She is a politician in the worst sense of the word. Obnoxious and demeaning if you don't suit her purpose or disagree with her... mind you I was a tad aggressive

[Dave Lobster]

Wasn't she a rebel at college, raising students to complain, and being a general pain in the ass? Subsequently disowned by her family she went from bad to worse to what she is now.

If Queen Hell en really does run everything past slapper bradford, that ought to be made common knowledge in the press by the next election.

[Mully]

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Bradford and I recall saying this in other posts so won't go into my reasons for it. I will however give her credit for holding out on the so called anti smacking bill and not allowing it to be watered down. To me that suggests someone with some principles regardless of the the pros and cons of her bill.

I'm not too sure whether she would have made it into Parliment under FPP but then she would not be the only one.

If you look at the woman who are now held in the highest regard in social issues they were the most reviled of their day. Kate Shepard, Sonja Davies are two that spring to mind. They challanged the social mores and issues of the day. Ideals and values that most of society now accepts.

I predict that in the future Bradford will be up there with them.

Skyryder

Hmm, interesting points, certainly something to think about. However, I think single mindedly holding out on her Bill was stubborn when something like 75% of the public didn't want it.

I think by definition, that character trait (unable or unwilling to negotiate) would make her a terrible leader in the true sense of the word.

Her lack of charisma (if it's that, rather than her apparant retardation) will hold her back from ever holding a serious position of responsibility. For example, she would never be able to hold a senior management position in the real world.

[candor]

Its good to get a personal experience view Cola. I had really thought she was an idiot (due to logic of the nanny state bill), but the person who told me otherwise does NOT agree with her politics and is a pretty onto it aircraft engineer - whose opinion I respect on most things. If Bradford is conniving who knows what else she has been pulling behind the scenes. I would doubt she is a one horse trick in that case.

Skyrider that was thought provoking only I think Shepherd and all had far more inspired ideas. As our kid abuse rates rise will Sue apologise for putting in useless legislation when other focuses and political moves could have been far more helpful.

[Grahameeboy]

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Bradford and I recall saying this in other posts so won't go into my reasons for it. I will however give her credit for holding out on the so called anti smacking bill and not allowing it to be watered down. To me that suggests someone with some principles regardless of the the pros and cons of her bill.

I'm not too sure whether she would have made it into Parliment under FPP but then she would not be the only one.

If you look at the woman who are now held in the highest regard in social issues they were the most reviled of their day. Kate Shepard, Sonja Davies are two that spring to mind. They challanged the social mores and issues of the day. Ideals and values that most of society now accepts.

I predict that in the future Bradford will be up there with them.

Skyryder


I agree, was a Thatcher fan simply because for a Politician she more or less stuck to what she believed in.

[Grahameeboy]

Retard......mmm.................never like that word...........

[Grahameeboy]

Its good to get a personal experience view Cola. I had really thought she was an idiot (due to logic of the nanny state bill), but the person who told me otherwise does NOT agree with her politics and is a pretty onto it aircraft engineer - whose opinion I respect on most things. If Bradford is conniving who knows what else she has been pulling behind the scenes. I would doubt she is a one horse trick in that case.

Skyrider that was thought provoking only I think Shepherd and all had far more inspired ideas. As our kid abuse rates rise will Sue apologise for putting in useless legislation when other focuses and political moves could have been far more helpful.

Those with crystal balls...........how do you know it will be useless......life is about giving things a go and if Ghandi had sat on his shat pot where would India be now.......Sue Bradford did something and the cause is a valid one so she should be thanked for that....time will be the test...............

[Swoop]

If she was given an arsehole transplant, the arsehole would reject her.

Professional protestor and burden on the state.

[Grahameeboy]

If she was given an arsehole transplant, the arsehole would reject her.

Professional protestor and burden on the state.

Would it be a clone..................

[sidecar bob]

She's a retard. Pure and simple. Dumb as a box of hammers.

And you need to hang out with better people.

What he said.:yes:

[oldrider]

With politicians of Sue Bradford's calibre, the best New Zealand can ever hope to achieve is "mediocrity" :yes: and that would be in a good year, John.

[Fatjim]

Sue Bradford is a slapper.

[Littleman]

I think its quite patronising how history remembers women not for how intelligent they were but the fact 'they gave it a good go'. Well done(pats on the head) now just move along Sue....

To answer your question... lots of baggage and determination but essentially low IQ.

Classic projection.... but we haven't all been the recipient of disfunctional parents so don't make it an issure for everyone.

[deanohit]

She is a politician in the worst sense of the word. Obnoxious and demeaning if you don't suit her purpose or disagree with her...

i dont like her at all.she could do with gettin some accurate facts before quoting some bullshit.I'm also a 4x4er besides a motorcyclist and was told to leave a public speech of hers after loudly disagreeing (unoffensively) with her when she made a comment about 'gas guzzling 4wds',now my truck had a 2.3litre engine in it,while alot of cars have engines up to 3 times larger.when i tried to point this out to her,she whispered to a nearby policeman who then came and told me to leave and if i didnt,they would escort me down to the local copshop.now i thought a politicians job was to listen to what the people want and find a compromise so everyone is happy.sorry but she doesnt do that along with the majority of the goverment.:angry:

[Mr. Peanut]

I don't think she's unintelligent. She's appealing to a certain audience.

You're bikers, remember?

[howdamnhard]

She's a retard. Pure and simple. Dumb as a box of hammers.

And you need to hang out with better people.

What he said.:yes: She purports to care about our children by introducing a bill which supposedly protects them from abuse when the original laws sufficed but were simply not enforced.Therefore her new bill will be equaly ineffective if not enforced and will have absolutely no effect on those that would abuse children.She represents a party that supports cannabis use,a drug which has been shown to negatively alter young developing minds permantly but at the same time she "cares" about them.Go figure!:sick:

[Disco Dan]

I bet she likes being spanked... :dodge:

[Grahameeboy]

What he said.:yes: She purports to care about our children by introducing a bill which supposedly protects them from abuse when the original laws sufficed but were simply not enforced.Therefore her new bill will be equaly ineffective if not enforced and will have absolutely no effect on those that would abuse children.She represents a party that supports cannabis use,a drug which has been shown to negatively alter young developing minds permantly but at the same time she "cares" about them.Go figure!:sick:

Give the bill a chance..............the new Bill may make it easier for the Police to enforce over time............

Bad parenting, abuse is shown to negatively alter young developing minds too......and she cares about them.

[Mully]

Give the bill a chance..............the new Bill may make it easier for the Police to enforce over time......

The old section 59 (reasonable force) was perfectly enforceable. The court system should have been defining Reasonable in the course of the law's life.

If the court was unable or unwilling to do this, all Bradford (and the remainder of the Gummint) had to do, rather than forcing through a law that a vast majority didn't want, was to define "reasonable", for example:

"Reasonable force by a parent or guardian is defined as an open handed slap to the buttocks, legs, hands or arms. Use of an implement, or contact with the head, is not considered reasonable"

I would have done that for free. Does anyone want to take a wild guess guess what this debacle cost the country?

[Skyryder]

With politicians of Sue Bradford's calibre, the best New Zealand can ever hope to achieve is "mediocrity" :yes: and that would be in a good year, John.

There is a difference between the calibre of a politician and the policies that they espouse. Bradford came to the fore of the public with her 'Anti smacking Bill. The pros and cons of that Bill have nothing to do with her calibre as a politician. There are only a few politicians that I have respect for a but that does not mean that I endorse their policies. It is their political savy that gets my respect not their policies or what they stand for. Bradford got her bill through Parliment with about 80% of the population opposed to it.

It is unprecedented in NZ politics.

With all due respect OR that should tell you something about her calibre as a politician.
Skyryder

[Flatcap]

I would say Sue Bradford is more appealing than Helen Clark, the same way that a good firm turd is more appealing to bilious diarrhaea

[Skyryder]

The old section 59 (reasonable force) was perfectly enforceable. The court system should have been defining Reasonable in the course of the law's life.

It's not up to the Court System to define reasonable force but the jury.

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

......and she cares about them.


Yep it's one of Bradford's redeeming qualities...........caring................she went into bat for the thousands of unemployed during Labours flirt with Rodgernomics. No one else cared. And she has gone into bat for those who are unable to defend themselves from parents who believe that inflicting pain on their children is a right based on biblical interpretation. I don't recall Jesus having a stick in his hand when he said "Suffer the children to come unto me."

Skyryder

[MSTRS]

I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Bradford ....
So have I :sick:

She's appealing to a certain audience....
...a small one, at that.

[Mully]

It's not up to the Court System to define reasonable force but the jury.

That's what I meant. The jury, as part of the court system, should have been doing that.

The people who have been beating their kids to death will not be persuaded otherwise by this bill. Millions of taxpayer (i.e. yours and mine) dollars have been wasted on a piece of legislation which will achieve absolutely nothing.

The reality is, Bradford, in addition to most politicians (there are a few exceptions), would be incapable of holding a real world job down, and certainly not senior management positions.

[avgas]

If she is smart cookie answer me this:
"How does someone get an MA in Chinese?"
Considering there is no such language as "Chinese"
Does this mean that she speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese....a few hundred dialects in China (as similar as english and french), Malaysian Dialects, Mongolian Dialects....etc
She must also know how to write in about 5 different sets of characters and know the tens of thousands of sounds/characters that is involved.
Or can she just order takeaways? Pinyin and Mandarin only?
Don't even get me started in history and political studies.

[Steam]

If she is smart cookie answer me this:
"How does someone get an MA in Chinese?"
Considering there is no such language as "Chinese"
Does this mean that she speaks Mandarin, Cantonese, Shanghainese....a few hundred dialects in China (as similar as english and french), Malaysian Dialects, Mongolian Dialects....etc
She must also know how to write in about 5 different sets of characters and know the tens of thousands of sounds/characters that is involved.
Or can she just order takeaways? Pinyin and Mandarin only?
Don't even get me started in history and political studies.

You got a bug up yer arse don'tcha?!
From the university website:

Chinese in the School of Asian Studies aims to provide students with a broad knowledge of contemporary China, including its language, history, culture, politics, society, and literature. Language courses aim to provide students with opportunities to gain a command of reading ability and to learn conversational Chinese. Non-language courses introduce students to diverse aspects of the study of China and embed language learning in rich civilizational and cultural contexts.

Our undergraduate Chinese courses teach modern standard Chinese (often referred to as Mandarin) and include study of the classical written language (wenyan) at Stage III. While a major emphasis is on learning to read and write Chinese, students also acquire a solid grounding in communicative language. Basic translation skills are also taught.

The language courses are complemented by a number of courses taught entirely in English, which introduce aspects of Chinese culture. These courses offer in depth study of Chinese literature, film, philosophy, history and society. They can also be taken as part of the major and minor in Asian Studies.

[candor]

Yep it's one of Bradford's redeeming qualities...........caring................she went into bat for the thousands of unemployed during Labours flirt with Rodgernomics. No one else cared. And she has gone into bat for those who are unable to defend themselves from parents who believe that inflicting pain on their children is a right based on biblical interpretation. I don't recall Jesus having a stick in his hand when he said "Suffer the children to come unto me."

Skyryder

But does she CARE. Or is it all an abstract principle she is attracted, to and she just fights for fightings sake.

On the one hand she opposes U.S. death penalty / child abuse / whale killing / pollution etc. My God... have we missed the second coming? Or the biggest hippy stereotype victim on earth alternately?

But on the other hand she treats people in daily life with rudeness, arrogance and even set the Police on to one commentator on this thread who was attempting to have freedom of speech re his car not being a gas guzzler.

A Police ally one day, the next (or rather earlier) spitting them with her body fluids during protests. How is spitting (doubtless green fluid) and silencing one opponents classed as caring and respectful.

To me its a persons daily behaviour that defines them. Too many with the loftiest (alleged) principles are the biggest creeps out there.

Suppose there is no black and white here. Maybe she has some right on her side in some regards, but the impression I'm getting is someone with blind spots that is just too sure of herself.

Agree with Mully - the legislation was an expensive time waster, because it does nothing to address the root cause. The childrens commission seems to have basicly only dedicated man hours to this legislation and little else - doh!

[Fatjim]

I don't recall Jesus having a stick in his hand when he said "Suffer the children to come unto me."

Skyryder


What do you recall about Jesus from your extensive Bible reading bro. Give us a message.

[oldrider]

There is a difference between the calibre of a politician and the policies that they espouse. Bradford came to the fore of the public with her 'Anti smacking Bill. The pros and cons of that Bill have nothing to do with her calibre as a politician. There are only a few politicians that I have respect for a but that does not mean that I endorse their policies. It is their political savy that gets my respect not their policies or what they stand for. Bradford got her bill through Parliment with about 80% of the population opposed to it.

It is unprecedented in NZ politics.

With all due respect OR that should tell you something about her calibre as a politician.
Skyryder

Skyrider makes good logical points here but unfortunately Sue Bradford's bill wasn't even necessary.

All that was required was to police and judge the existing law law effectively.

The same PC brigade that Sue Bradford and Clark belong to (supported by Skyrider) are responsible for the watering down the effectiveness of the public services that deal with those laws.

The law change won't make a scrap of difference, unless they change their behaviour, everything will just be the same.

If you always do what you have always done, you will always get what you have always got!

Time will tell, meanwhile Sue Bradford can be our most skilled politician as Skyrider logically suggests but is that really a good thing for New Zealand?

Personally, I think not. :nono: John.

[Toaster]

She's a retard. Pure and simple. Dumb as a box of hammers.

And you need to hang out with better people.

Agreed. I don't know about the pure bit, but she sure is simple.:innocent:

[enigma51]

I think sue bradford a moderator on KB


There i said it

[candor]

[QUOTE=enigma51;1081486]I think sue bradford a moderator on KB

/QUOTE] Bit of a worry. Whats her pseudonym? First she came to ban smacking, I said nothing, then they came to ban religion, I said nothing, then they came to ban tobacco... see where this PC stuff is going bikers?

Think I'll move to Spain. No rquirement to leash dogs - but even the dogs are nicer, alcohol and dope are managed with decorum, and well the winters don't have them jumpig off cliffs like lemmings.

I think what I'm saying here is that - only NZ could have produced a Sue. Some countries are interesting for their dictators benevolent or otherwise.

But we make Nandors, Sues, Helens and Taitos. Scratching head now. The talent seems to be hidden well the wacked ones are pushed to the fore. Maybe parliament itself needs a better spin Dr. Or more of them in Parl?

[candor]

Wow - the poll result is the same as support for anti smacking. Does that mean if we like her and get paid by her we agreed with the bill and if do not either of those we didn't?

[Curious_AJ]

sue, is a nutter... the end...

[The Pastor]

sue's bill and ideals may be completely wack off the wall and running our country into the ground but i don't think she is an idiot like helen i think she is intelligent, wrong but smart.


makes me want to vote natioal she does.

[Skyryder]

What do you recall about Jesus from your extensive Bible reading bro. Give us a message.

Love and forgiveness. Much the same as the Bhudda.


Skyryder

[Forest]

Sue Bradford isn't the power behind the throne.

That honour belongs to Heather Simpson. Or "H2" as she as known in political circles.

[Skyryder]

Sue Bradford isn't the power behind the throne.


No she is not. She never will be. But she has had a tast of winning........too soon in my opinion and that may just lead her to make mistakes. I'll give her credit where credit is due..................but those that walk too early can also fall the 'soonest.'


Skyryder