TL1000S vs Aprilia RSV [Archive]

skelstar

5th June 2007, 12:13

I might cop a bit of flack for this (sorry V) but I'm looking at changing bikes very soon and have the opportunity to buy a 99 RSV for a (probably) very fair price. I have ridden the beast and loved it, admittedly it was on fairly fast roads but loved it. I have not really ridden a sports bike much so am oblivious to the finer aspects...so I am kinda lined up to buy this bike....

but...I think I kinda like the idea of having a TL1000S :shit:

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One thing I've enjoyed about my Hornet is having a bike thats a wee bit different. My bike has been described as sounding 'feral', and with the Buell headlights on the front, it has the air of being a bit of a hooligan bike...but I think I'm over nekid bikes, inline4's, and am wanting something that handles really well. The TL seems to encompass the above aspects that are important to me, whereas while I loved it, I'm not sure if the RSV will...so...

Handling is real important to me. Is the TL (with Ohlins rear or equivalent) ever going to handle as well as a stock RSV? Also comfort is going to be important...I found the RSV comfy enough...how is the TLS going to compare?

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Honestly I've spent a fair bit of time thinking about the next bike, as one does, and my mind keeps coming back to TL's...even now when I could very well have a RSV for good money. I've seen some fantastic looking TL's that have been modded...and I have quite specific ideas about what mines going to look like, and its going to be farken cool! ...I don't think I'm going to get as enthusiastic with an RSV...and if i don't warm to the sports bike thing, then i'll just 'fighter' it :yes:

I would love to hear your opinions...Sensei? Trashy? Drew?

Grahameeboy

5th June 2007, 12:17

Is yours the black bike? If so keep it man.........I will pray for you:innocent:

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 12:44

The RSV is a MUCH better bike than the TLS.

If you ride round on a TLS at medium pace all the time you'll never discover any of the quirks that make it so beloved of the lunatics that sing it's praises. Up the wick and you'll discover just how "exciting" motorcycling can be.

A '99 RSV will be more comfortable and quicker from A to B, plus it's Italian and responds beautifully to being grabbed by the scruff of the neck and thrown about. Ride a TLS the same way and it may bite. It may not too, but you never know with a TLS.

Anyway, we've had this discussion.

I found the TLS quite similar to my RG400. Fun to a point and then bloody terrifying. I know which I'd rather live with.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 12:44

The black bike is a TL1000S, just an example of what you can do with one.

The attached image is of my bike.

limbimtimwim

5th June 2007, 12:47

but...I think I kinda like the idea of having a TL1000S :shit:PM Cowpoos, he owned one too I think.

They are very good value for money too. I think the TL1000S could be the best sounding water-cooled v-twin ever, for some reason.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 12:49

Yeah true, I have PM'ed poos about it in the past. Maybe i could just find the message in my millions of PMs :)

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 13:03

OK he's not listening, so I'll try another approach.

Aprilia RSV as an operating system: Debian. Elegant, supremely capable, developed by experts who prize capability and design purity above flashy gimmicks. Quietly exceeds expectations. Owners never brag, just get the coffee for everyone because they mysteriously arrive everywhere first.

Suzuki TLS: Windows ME. Fundamentally flawed, exists in an awkward space between technology changes, designed by accountants with an eye for a quick buck from the terminally gullible. Defended by owners as the perfect combination of "street-cred" and "proven capabilities". Windows ME users gratefully accept coffee from Debian users as they have been up all night tweaking things to get around the latest patch that stopped things working.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:11

Sorry J2, I didn't see you post as I was in writing and my browser panned down past it. Points taken though and make sense. If I got a well sorted TLS with Ohlins on the back it might not bite?

BTW RSV not RSVR. The R has the expensive bits on it.

As I alluded to in the first post, I like the idea of repainting the bike, matte black/stealth rat style colours...I think it would be sacreledge (?) to do this to an Aprilia :) ...

limbimtimwim

5th June 2007, 13:18

If you do get a TLS, I have many pages of magazines here devoted to fixing it's problems to stop it from hurting you....

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:21

Have spent (too many) hours reading a TL forum in the last 24. I understand that there are probs that you are obliged to fix/ignore, but for the money...

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 13:21

Why throw money at an aging pile of crap? There are plenty of street fighter RSV's out there and the basic platform is much nicer to ride.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:26

Well, I've noticed that some other very good riders rate them very highly (for the money) J2.

BarBender

5th June 2007, 13:27

I like the TL...but if I were recommending to someone else it would be the RSV over the TL...

However - if you are looking at a RSV you may as well try out a Tuono....

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:30

However - if you are looking at a RSV you may as well try out a Tuono....
Yeah, have considered those as well. I'm not a fan of the looks of the 99 RSV or the Tuono...and I'm over travelling at ~200 on a nekid and am worried that a Tuono isn't going to be that much better.

madmal64

5th June 2007, 13:33

If you can ride the two on the same day on the same route.
You will then more than likely decide to go for the prilla.
BUT its got to spin ya wheels mate. If the TL spins ya wheels more than anything else go for it.

My opinion? Have a guess!

BarBender

5th June 2007, 13:36

...and I'm over travelling at ~200 on a nekid and am worried that a Tuono isn't going to be that much better.

It wont be...but the gargle of that V Twin and the efortless torque...ah...

I know its not covered in the remit of this thread but I rode a 04 Fazer a couple of weeks ago and got really turned on.....

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 13:42

I think my concern is that you are going from a sweetheart of a bike with no real vices to speak of and looking at going to something that requires the capacity to respond with some unusual feedback that doesn't match your input.

Some of those good riders have suffered accidents that probably shouldn't have happened too.

I guess I'm old and like my bikes trustworthy and predictable.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:42

I know its not covered in the remit of this thread but I rode a 04 Fazer a couple of weeks ago and got really turned on.....
Yep, Fazer was the fancy on thurs last week :)...summised that an '05+ would be the 'go' according to Bike magazine, but I think its time I tried the sports bike route.

I wonder if that means I'm destined to buy a GSXR?

ZeroIndex

5th June 2007, 13:44

The black bike is a TL1000S, just an example of what you can do with one.

The attached image is of my bike.

Looks like a Buell X12 thingy / KTM SuperDuke (Front)

TLS's can't turn very well... There's a SuperBike magazine video about those, and apparently they handle like crap, unless you like crashing...

skelstar

5th June 2007, 13:44

Some of those good riders have suffered accidents that probably shouldn't have happened too.
Yeah I know...that had occurred to me too. *shrugs* ...not sure what to say now :mellow: ...

marty

5th June 2007, 13:56

i started on an RS250. easy to ride. scary fast in tight corners. gotta be gentle or it'll highside ya. would arrive at whitianga (have a bach there) exhausted from having to wring its guts out, but happy.

i then had a very nicely sorted TLS - ohlins rear, ohlins damper, braided lines, yoshi pipes. sounded fantastic. loved sweeping roads. headlifting and scary when pushing it in the tight stuff. needed to be muscled around. would arrive at whitianga exhausted and counting my lucky stars that i was still alive.

upgraded to a busa. full remus system and upgraded brakes and damper. the bus was 30-50km/h faster everywhere. even in the twisties. needed serious muscling around. would arrive at whitianga drenched in sweat, with a huge grin. 1000-1500kms off a back tyre riding it like this though.

rode an RS250 again the other week. nearly flicked it trying to ride it like the bus.

if i went to a v-twin again, it wouldn't be a TL. i'd be for the Aprilia. no upgrading needed really.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 14:04

if i went to a v-twin again, it wouldn't be a TL. i'd be for the Aprilia. no upgrading needed really.
Cheers Marty...makes sense. I like the idea of muscling a bike around, feel like it on mine sometimes but maybe not to the same degree...

So is this an emphatic: RSV will handle better than a well sorted TLS?

marty

5th June 2007, 14:09

i think so - it's starting with a much better sorted chassis and background. the TL starts poorly, improving with additions, but changing rake and swing arm geometry is probably not sensible on the TL, whereas it's already done for you on the prila.

have a look at the rsv swing arm vs the tl swing arm - which one would you rather be pushing?

Nutter34

5th June 2007, 14:17

Hey Skel, as you know, I'm selling the Z. One of the reasons is because of the level of ease and quality the ZX10 had when riding. Now that was reason enough for me. Every one looks for different things from riding. Now, if you can live with a few characteristics, as opposed to a good ride, then go for the TL but if you are after a better quality ride, the RSV may be better... I haven't ridden either but the RSv was known to be a good package.

So, I'm in a similar position really. I only got the ZX10 because I got it for a REALLY good price. Otherwise I'd be spending money on upgrading the Z... well, maybe.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 14:38

have a look at the rsv swing arm vs the tl swing arm - which one would you rather be pushing?
Yeah good point..although I think the TLR swing arm (the TLS in the first pic has one I think) has the extra bracing.

Now, if you can live with a few characteristics, as opposed to a good ride, then go for the TL but if you are after a better quality ride, the RSV may be better... I haven't ridden either but the RSv was known to be a good package.
Yeah, I really want to improve my riding, and it just feels like I'm pushing the frontend of the Hornet a bit hard at the moment. It might just be in my head though...I'm not that fast. I am having ground clearance issues though...occasionally :).

Its in the 140k+ sweepers I feel the most nervous at the mo.

Deano

5th June 2007, 14:39

I think the TL1000S could be the best sounding water-cooled v-twin ever, for some reason.

Come on Simon - better than my old SP-1 or a Duke ?

You've been riding that Gixxer for too long......it's starting to rot your brain.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 14:45

SP1's are coming down in price a bit. They comfy Deano?

Lissa

5th June 2007, 14:53

I think you should think about getting a GN250?

You looked good on mine and the entertainment value is high..... (was a good laugh anyway)
They handle great on the hill, and you can scrap ya boot.
Safe and realiable.. and plus then I could beat ya up the hill on my Bandit. :yes:
Once the baffle has fallen off they sound really grunty.
What more could you ask for.

$3200 for a brand new one.... much better than others other silly bikes you are looking at. Ok not fast, but then you did say you ARENT that fast. :yes:

Deano

5th June 2007, 14:56

SP1's are coming down in price a bit. They comfy Deano?

The rear seat is definitely not comfy - just ask Nikki.

You say you like muscling a bike round corners.......an SP-1 would be perfect......can be a real handful in the tight and twisties, especially if a little bumpy.

The Repsol is a breeze to ride compared to the SP-1.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 14:57

Ok not fast, but then you did say you ARENT that fast.:yes:

Yeah, maybe you could show me your 'lines' on the way to martinb some day girl? :p

skelstar

5th June 2007, 14:58

The Repsol is a breeze to ride compared to the SP-1.
Now wheres the fun in that? So kinda hard on the wrists though? Didn't find the RSV bad at all...

Pex Adams

5th June 2007, 15:00

Skels - Personally I would spend an extra bit and get an SV over a TL - I really hated riding a mates TL, which he proceeded to totally right off, when he decided that the east by west road wasn't long enough (ask Fat Jim). Now he's got an SV. Which he decribes as certainly the only way to go.

Nonetheless - I don't know enough about the RSV, however Kerry at TSS would certainly be the guy I'd talk to about them, he's had Aprilla's for ever!!!

Or as always - Just blow the bank account and get a GIXXER, you know you want one:shutup:

skelstar

5th June 2007, 15:03

Skels - Personally I would spend an extra bit and get an SV over a TL - I really hated riding a mates TL, which he proceeded to totally right off, when he decided that the east by west road wasn't long enough (ask Fat Jim). Now he's got an SV. Which he decribes as certainly the only way to go.
Cheers Pex. Yeah...not a huge fan of the looks of the SV...loving the black frame but...yeah dunno. For the money difference I'd prefer the April first I'd say.

Didn't one of your 'quick' mates go from an SV to a K6 then back to an SV? ;)

imdying

5th June 2007, 15:33

Skelstar, do you like working on bikes? Do you like tinkering and modifying? If you don't, get the Aprilia. If you do, get the TL (or maybe an SV, I've well chopped mine up). There's a whole heap of tinkering money in the difference between the two.

I guess my hobby is a little less narrowminded (focussed?) than others, I like all parts of it, building, fixing, designing, and of course riding. If you've a life full of commitments, and you like to ride when you've got the time, then get the Aprilia.

If you're pretty free and easy like me, and have plenty of time to tinker (and enjoy doing it), maybe the TL is the way forward for you.

There's a whole lot of blah blah killer bike accident prone blah in this thread, but you talk to the actual owners, and they don't find that they have many problems. Apparently a Hagon or Ohlins and any problems go away anyway... but you've been reading the TL forums, so you probably already know what :)

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 15:35

There's a whole lot of blah blah killer bike accident prone blah in this thread, but you talk to the actual owners, and they don't find that they have many problems. Apparently a Hagon or Ohlins and any problems go away anyway... but you've been reading the TL forums, so you probably already know what :)

No there's not, you're putting words into people's mouths there. The TL is more challenging to ride fast than a Hornet. The RSV is easy to ride faster than both with less effort.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 15:44

...but you've been reading the TL forums, so you probably already know what :)
Yeah, well I guess owners of a problematic bike are likely to be quite optimistic and perhaps more patriotic than they should be? I'm certainly not going to go on those forums and ask this question :mellow:, I'm hoping for a more balanced arguement :yes:...

I have plenty of time to tinker with bikes, but maybe I get enthusiastic about little projects and maybe don't follow through. RSV is starting to look like a better prospect.

...or a Tuono R :whistle:

riffer

5th June 2007, 15:47

I've ridden both.

I'd love a TL. I'd love an RSV more.

The TL was hard to ride fast. And scared me. Even with an Ohlins on it. Theres some undesirable flex going on there...

The RSV though. It ranks with the K7 GSXR1000 as one of only two bikes I've ever ridden that I think I would NEVER reach the limits on.

It handles beautifully. And its beautiful to look at too.

Get an RSV. End of story.

imdying

5th June 2007, 16:07

No there's not, you're putting words into people's mouths there. The TL is more challenging to ride fast than a Hornet. The RSV is easy to ride faster than both with less effort.As the biggest offender, I'm not surprised that that is your perspective. It however is not mine, and on that we will have to agree to disagree.

I have plenty of time to tinker with bikes, but maybe I get enthusiastic about little projects and maybe don't follow through. RSV is starting to look like a better prospect.Yep, no point starting if you're not going to finish.

Get an RSV. End of story.And the flashest one you can afford at that :yes:

madmal64

5th June 2007, 16:37

Yeah

...or a Tuono R :whistle:

TSS have one in there and a demo bike is due there real soon.
Clivoris has one locally. Send him a PM he will give you lots of the low down on them.

skelstar

5th June 2007, 16:46

TSS have one in there and a demo bike is due there real soon.
Yeah, the one they had in there recently (a Factory) was an 06/07, different shape to what I was think of (04?).

James Deuce

5th June 2007, 16:51

As the biggest offender, I'm not surprised that that is your perspective. It however is not mine, and on that we will have to agree to disagree.

I've organised more trailer rides for TLS's than any other type of bike. That should be enough of a hint I would have thought?

limbimtimwim

5th June 2007, 17:11

Come on Simon - better than my old SP-1 or a Duke ?
You've been riding that Gixxer for too long......it's starting to rot your brain.No, seriously. It's a great sounding bike. When I was in secondary school I used to see/hear this black TLS often, (Back when it was a new model) and the memory of how bloody awesome it sounded has stuck in my mind. And one goes past my house most nights right about now and guns it onto the motorway. Nice.

98tls

5th June 2007, 17:17

Cant disagree with anyone saying the prillas a better bike......sure it is,ive had my TLS for 5 years and 40000 kms.........never has it been on a trailer and not once has it refused to start........ive loaded it up and gone touring and ive thrashed it over favourite roads.......never once has it let me down....for me anyway ive had just as much fun pulling it to bits and making changes as i have riding it but thats just how i like my motorcycling but fully realise its not everybodys cup of tea.........if you have the money sure go buy the prilla..makes sense,ive got the money but havent......its solely your choice.theres a shitload of better bikes around than an old TLS..many you wont have to touch to get a great ride,also remember that it doesnt matter what you buy/ride its only as fast as the guy riding it.....theres really nothing more plesurable than tucking in behind someone on the latest and greatest and staying there through the twisty bits..............

Darkman

5th June 2007, 17:31

hey Sean...it might be too big of a step to got straight onto a thou sportsbike...you need an SV650s to start off with !

or not.....If i was you, i would go for the RSV..yeah, the TL is cheaper, but if you are planning on making it look like the black one in yer pic, you gonna end up spending more money I reckon.

98tls

5th June 2007, 17:31

Why throw money at an aging pile of crap? Same reason you still buy your wife birthday presents........its love:innocent:

skelstar

5th June 2007, 17:36

.....theres really nothing more plesurable than tucking in behind someone on the latest and greatest and staying there through the twisty bits..............
LOL...yeah, doing that on the Hornet is fun.....apparently. Cheers for the advice. Was keen to see what you were going to say :niceone:

As for you Darkman...if that is your real name...I'll see you on the roads!!! :rockon:

Darkman

5th June 2007, 17:50

As for you Darkman...if that is your real name...I'll see you on the roads!!! :rockon:

Well, if you make your bike like the black one, you can be certain that you will bump into me on a dark road somewhere in the middle of nowhere....cause i am the Daaaaaaaaaaarkmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan hooooohaaaahoha....um, sorry, had a moment there.

Kendog

5th June 2007, 18:21

Do Motomart still have the demo Tuono? If they do take it for a spin. I thought it was ok, but it didn't really do it for me.
Rode the RSV over the same road on the same day, no comparison. The RSV had the grin factor in spades and damn they look hot.

As I am sure you know, riding a bike is the best way to know if its right for you. If you haven't ridden a TL, I can see three on Bike point (New Plymouth, Hastings and Hamilton) and one on TradeMe (Tokoroa). Sounds like a good excuse for a little road trip.

Nutter34

5th June 2007, 18:32

remember that it doesnt matter what you buy/ride its only as fast as the guy riding it.....theres really nothing more plesurable than tucking in behind someone on the latest and greatest and staying there through the twisty bits..............

Agreed.

Though sometimes, we buy the latest because of the quality of the ride, not because of what it can do. For me, the 10 just makes the whole ride a lot more pleasurable... Better suspension, wind protection, easy to ride due to torque, etc...

Guess I have a target on my back now :shit:

Edit... This is more out of guilt for selling the Z, than justifying having the 10, lol...

skelstar

5th June 2007, 18:38

Well...I know I'd be quicker on a GSXR750/1000, but for me its not about power etc...its about sensation and handling. I get a hell of a buzz on that Aprilia even when I'm blasting past a truck! ....cor that sound!

flame

5th June 2007, 18:39

Well, if you make your bike like the black one, you can be certain that you will bump into me on a dark road somewhere in the middle of nowhere....cause i am the Daaaaaaaaaaarkmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan hooooohaaaahoha....um, sorry, had a moment there.

hmmmmmm DARRRRRRKKKKKMMAAANNNNNNN....... I realy think you also need to come join the DARRRRRRRRK side :)

Oh...and Skels........I already told you that you look HOT on that RSV! what more do ya need?? lol

Darkman

5th June 2007, 18:45

hmmmmmm DARRRRRRKKKKKMMAAANNNNNNN....... I realy think you also need to come join the DARRRRRRRRK side :)

Oh...and Skels........I already told you that you look HOT on that RSV! what more do ya need?? lol

He does not want to look hot..he wants to look mean!!!!..like the Darkman.....hoohaahooeehaahoe

skelstar

5th June 2007, 18:46

I already told you that you look HOT on that RSV! what more do ya need??
...ummm...a subjective opinion from a chick thats not trying to sell me her bike?

Yeah, you knew exactly what to say didn't you? :angry:

ipod1098

5th June 2007, 18:46

Well, I've noticed that some other very good riders rate them very highly (for the money) J2.

Too right bro! The prilla will empty your skyrocket quicker than "so how long will those parts be??" in italian... ha
The Tl is a way better option, especially comfort wise.

flame

5th June 2007, 18:53

...ummm...a subjective opinion from a chick thats not trying to sell me her bike?

Yeah, you knew exactly what to say didn't you? :angry:

mybad.......I know where there's an even HOTTER RSV for a few k more..........it aint mine tho so I'll just shutup!

skelstar

5th June 2007, 18:56

mybad.......I know where there's an even HOTTER RSV for a few k more..........it aint mine tho so I'll just shutup!

Woooooooooo.....what year/model?

DemonWolf

5th June 2007, 18:58

I certainly enjoy riding my TL (hmmm.. though at the moment I've got a slight broken mount problem).. Definately not the fastest guy out there, but I ride to my limits pushing it now and then.. made a few mistakes and the TL has forgiven me for them.. can't compare to any other VTwins though (yet) but its what rocks your boat... take 'em for a ride and decide from that.

crazefox

5th June 2007, 19:11

Mate go the for the TL heaps cheaper for parts easy to ride great power and sound the bees knees

skelstar

5th June 2007, 19:29

Dammit, shoulda put up a poll

(said the bishop to the nun)..

RantyDave

5th June 2007, 19:50

Another vote for the RSV.

Of course, an adult would be saying "ride them both" blah blah blah but from what even I know of TL's I think you should get the RSV.

What's up with naked's anyway? Is it the wind, or touring being a bit of a battle, or a feeling you could "go faster" on a sprotsbike?

I also think you'd be shooting yourself squarely in the foot if you bought another bike without taking a Daytona 675 out for a thrash first. It's not the Triumph fanboy speaking here, but it made me grin like a nutter :Punk:

Dave

skelstar

5th June 2007, 19:55

RantyD: Its the top-speed stuff thats a bit of a struggle on my bike. "Cruising" down Princess St is particularly unpleasant in a Southerly headwind...as is just about anywhere...Lake Ferry is bad in at least one direction. Also I feel like I'm pushing the front-end a bit hard, esp going down the otherside of the Takas....I tend to push hard going downhill. I love it.

Touring is no problem as I'm usually nervous about the boys-in-blue. Long kms not a problem at all.

Not interested in the 675 at all...although I'm sure it will make me grin.

Sensei

5th June 2007, 20:03

As far a Aprilia's costing $$$$ LOL , don't make assumptions !

RantyDave

5th June 2007, 20:53

Its the top-speed stuff thats a bit of a struggle on my bike. "Cruising" down Princess St is particularly unpleasant in a Southerly headwind...as is just about anywhere...Lake Ferry is bad in at least one direction.
So, fairing good. I get that.

Also I feel like I'm pushing the front-end a bit hard, esp going down the otherside of the Takas....I tend to push hard going downhill. I love it.
Ah, better suspension would also be good. I get that too.

Not interested in the 675 at all...although I'm sure it will make me grin.
Can I ask why? Not in a "froth froth offended fanboy" sort of way, but generally why not? Is it the lack of V-twin rumble? The not insignificant damage to one's bank account? The fact that RSV's are pure sex?

Dave

skelstar

5th June 2007, 21:01

Can I ask why? Not in a "froth froth offended fanboy" sort of way, but generally why not? Is it the lack of V-twin rumble? The not insignificant damage to one's bank account? The fact that RSV's are pure sex?
Fair question. Umm...think its a bit of a toy and maybe not a good, honest, bike. I feel the same way about GSXR600s and R6s. I don't know why and I know I'm wrong. I suppose theres no way I would consider traveling around the SI on one although I'm sure I could...and would probably love it.

Rumble yes, but maybe the rumble in my empty wallet as well, but there would be other bikes that I would buy first.

cowpoos

5th June 2007, 21:08

TLS's can't turn very well... There's a SuperBike magazine video about those, and apparently they handle like crap, unless you like crashing...

you wouldn't have a fuck clue!!

the TL starts poorly, improving with additions, but changing rake and swing arm geometry is probably not sensible on the TL

have a look at the rsv swing arm vs the tl swing arm - which one would you rather be pushing?

what are you talking about?? there is nothing wrong with changing the swingarm angle/rake on a TL if it is done with some understanding of geometry and suspension...

as for the rear swing arm...there is nothing wrong with it...it wouldn't have been released from the factory and thrashed by thousands and thousand of bikers without fail other wise would it?

Same reason you still buy your wife birthday presents........its love:innocent:

Nice retort!! lol

blah blah blah...TL1000s are cool...I want one.

You know my feelings one these bikes...chuck a ohlins rear shock on the back end...and your away laughing at all these supposed HARD and KNOWLEDGABLE riders that curse them... wobbling swingarms and magnetically attrahed to ditchs...BULLSHIT!!...more like morons that can't fucking rider to save themselves...the TL1000s was and is the most confidence inspiring large road bike I have ever ridden..having sparks flying of the exhaust pipes at the old track at taupo, going around the hairpin and having to lift my foot as my peg folded up [and yes I was hanging off the bike too...not just leaning it over] doing 42's laps times on road rubber!!...scraping pegs up and down the Taka's with ease...wheelies...soo easy to wheelie...it was a fucking whoot!! I can never remeber not having a smile on my face on a ride...wet or dry!! FACT!! the sound...ooooooh the sound!!! with twin 2.5inch race pipes/system...ooooh the sound!!... Also...these are become a bike of ledgend...and I would almost say that in the not to distant future a cult bike!! if you want on skel...buy one...bikes are an emotive thing... not really anything to do with common sence...[why else would you have brought a honda??] so why not buy a bike that emotive as well!!

enough said...

well maybe not...I wish I never traded my old TLs in...and keeped it for the toy it was!!

skelstar

5th June 2007, 21:10

Cheers bro. :niceone:

98tls

5th June 2007, 21:19

I must admit this is becoming fun..............whenever theres a conversation about TLs the shit starts flying.........everybodys got a mate that had one throw him off blah blah blah........there an awsome bike.....simple,but dont take my word for it,ive a huge stack of magazine articles on them,you would be hard pressed to find a bad word said in any of them,the NZ magazines loved the thing to bits but it seems that so many other people know better,at there launch in Florida a french journo got a bit carried away and ended up braking both ankles for his trouble, a couple of poms planted them as hedgerow markers the rests history :zzzz:

skelstar

5th June 2007, 21:23

I agree...have read lots on the net about them and they always talk about early issues with the bikes but acknowledge that with the rear fixed then they are fine.

I knew it would be an interesting debate, just wanted to know who was going to be on what side.

RantyDave

5th June 2007, 21:25

Umm...think its a bit of a toy and maybe not a good, honest, bike. I feel the same way about GSXR600s and R6s.
Ahhh, a bit little - devoid of heft. Like a carbon fibre mountain bike ... all well and good for the first half hour but you'd find yourself limited by not wanting to bend it. Something that would look really stupid with panniers - gotcha.

Considered a VFR800? Mind you, not a patch on an RSV as a sprotsbike.

I suppose theres no way I would consider traveling around the SI on one although I'm sure I could.
No no, I see your point entirely.

Dave

skelstar

5th June 2007, 21:31

Ahhh, a bit little - devoid of heft. Like a carbon fibre mountain bike ...
Very well put Dave.

Considered a VFR800? Mind you, not a patch on an RSV as a sprotsbike.

I had until I saw lots in the SI ...no offence to VFR800 owners but they are the classic older man's bike. Sorry...I'm sure they are very capable, but I can't bring myself to own one....for a while.

Sensei

5th June 2007, 21:33

Just check he rear damper unit mounting points for signs of repairs or cracking as I'm fixing one right now & they are a hell of alot of work to Fix unless you want to buy a Bitubo shock to do away with this poor design set up .

Clivoris

5th June 2007, 22:14

You can take mine for a spin some-time Skels but it's in dire need of tyres and chain at the moment, so isn't a particularly satisfying ride. Some may even say dangerous. If you're looking for front-end confidence, a Tuono isn't gonna deliver it either. I've been thinking of skimming my handlebar risers a little to get a little more weight over the front. A supension revalve is apparently a good idea too.
It seems like V-twins are a more visceral experience than inline fours so you'll probably have excellent hooning on whatever you get. Personally, I always fancied the TLS and really enjoyed my SV1000. My Ape is a keeper for me but there will be money spent. If I was gonna do it all over again I'd be looking very closely at a Thuper Duke or Tuono R (carbon fibre + ohlins thinghys). Of course, none of that is any good to you cos you want fairings. Think of the embarassment when your neck gets so skinny it wont be able to hold your head up anymore.
Ride em all man.

limbimtimwim

5th June 2007, 22:19

Something that would look really stupid with panniers - gotcha.Whatdayamean? Sprotsbikes look great with panniers. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/16988827@N00/409275085/in/set-72157594567996350/)

It's almost their natural form.. ;) Opps, off topic..

skelstar

6th June 2007, 09:25

You can take mine for a spin some-time Skels but it's in dire need of tyres and chain at the moment, so isn't a particularly satisfying ride. Some may even say dangerous.
Cheers Clive. I was thinking of maybe just 'sitting' on ya bike to get a feel for it if I went down that path. :niceone:

If you're looking for front-end confidence, a Tuono isn't gonna deliver it either.
Well thats the problem eh. Talking with Jay it seems that I want to 'lead' the bike, which means that I want to drag myself forward over the front-wheel probably subconsciously trying to get my weight over it. I just need to get a sports bike.

Sure as shit I will get a nekid to go faster initially cause thats what I'm used to.

... or Tuono R (carbon fibre + ohlins thinghys).
Theres a sweet '04 R on trademe at the moment. flame knows the guy and I've met him too...looks real nice. No good for pillions though due to the Al subframe...but lots of CF hmmmmm :yes:

Trudes

6th June 2007, 09:53

Ahhh, you can't get rid of the Hornet, then we won't be able to call you Horney Seany anymore!

OK, I know nothing about either bike, except for the Aprilia being kinda sexy an all, but I think it's definitely a personal preference thing, which one do you look at and think, "Hell yeah, gotta have one of them"? Also practical stuff too, are you planning on doing many marathon type of adventures, which one would be more comfortable for long rides? Have you ridden both? If so, which did you prefer and gave you 'the buzz'? Also, how long are you planning on having it for? You could always get a TL and after a year flick it and try the RSV for a bit, it's not like picking a life long partner, just a 'Ms right for now' type deal, providing she doesn't break your heart (or your wallet). Good luck dude.:Punk:

nudemetalz

6th June 2007, 09:54

skelstar

6th June 2007, 10:03

...Also practical stuff too, are you planning on doing many marathon type of adventures, which one would be more comfortable for long rides?
Yeah still plan to do the day trips to Aucks...I should be fine. Theres plenty of people who do the long trips on far less comfortable bikes than an RSV.

...it's not like picking a life long partner, just a 'Ms right for now' type deal, providing she doesn't break your heart (or your wallet)...
Just what a chick would say! ...I'm a long term guy Trudi, you know that!!!

Doesn't anyone else agree with me here, or have I gone stark raving mad.
Yeah I can understand what you say. I'll admit that I'd love to own an Italian bike, but I make more decisions about what I'd prefer to ride when I'm actually out riding on a/the bike. I'm more likely to yell:

"hell yeah this sounds cool!" or "man this thing leans!!!"

...not...

"woo hoo this is Italian!!!"

*shrugs* depends what you want :yes:

Clivoris

6th June 2007, 10:54

Well thats the problem eh. Talking with Jay it seems that I want to 'lead' the bike, which means that I want to drag myself forward over the front-wheel probably subconsciously trying to get my weight over it. I just need to get a sports bike.

My understanding is that the Tuono ride position places weight further back and there is something about the feeling of connection that clip-ons can provide. The Tuono just feels vague compared to some other bikes. I'm hoping that some front end jiggery pokery will help resolve this. Then again, Thuper-Duke riders don't complain about front end confidence.

modalx

6th June 2007, 10:55

Some people reckon if you want a V twin you've pretty much already decided to go for heart over head. If you are into track days you are likely to get monstered by 600s. On the road its different. Even when you are sweating to throw around the porky pig, you can blast out of the corner and leave them in a wake of sound as they wait for the sewing machine to wind up. So the twistys is where the fun is and what you want is rock solid platform to brake hard and grunt out. Quirks make bikes interesting and lovable - that's why some of us don't want the bland competence of a new inline 4. But I also want handling predictable enough that its mostly the tyres not the frame that is the limiting factor. For my money that leaves the RSV miles ahead. Or (naturally) an SP ;-)

skelstar

6th June 2007, 10:59

Or (naturally) an SP ;-)
I think the SP1/2/3 is the best looking bike of the lot...esp the RC51s they are selling in the US.

<img src="http://powersports.honda.com/images/model/c028_029_030_031_photos_all/motorcycles/2006/RC51/LargeHoriz/RC51_large_01.jpg">

Yummy. Love the white ones too.

Trudes

6th June 2007, 11:14

awwww, that's a nice Hoonda!! Get one of those!

Darkman

6th June 2007, 11:32

Yummy. Love the white ones too.

ohh yes..yes ..yes..get one mate!!!best out of them all I reckon

skelstar

6th June 2007, 11:43

Yeah, friggin sexy eh...not many for sale though.

imdying

6th June 2007, 12:51

marty

6th June 2007, 13:08

what are you talking about?? there is nothing wrong with changing the swingarm angle/rake on a TL if it is done with some understanding of geometry and suspension...

!!

i have no idea.

changing geometry to suit is not hard, you just need to know what you're doing - and more importantly, WHY you're doing it!

and yeah - i'm sure the rear swing arm on the TLS is fine. The TL-R one looks a lot gruntier - i thought it (the TLS one) had a bit more flex than it should, certainly didn't feel as planted as the monster one on the Busa.

Maybe i'm just a fat cunt

RC1

6th June 2007, 13:39

i have only had my TLS for a year now and have put on over 20000ks on the clock(not used for commuter bike ) and have never had probs it love riding the TLS gives me the biggest grin when im riding just love it , seems to have more character then any il4 i have had and character makes it more fun to ride imho mines a keeper if you in hamilton you can test ride but im sure you could find one closer,

98tls

6th June 2007, 15:23

As speaking as an owner of an Italian V-Twin, you don't just buy a bike, you buy an artwork also.
It's like, you just go into the garage and get the bike out or just leave it in there and stare at it. You take another picture of it then another......
You realise that it's got more hand-finished pieces on it (I'm sure the Aprilia has), than most Japanese bikes have.
People come over for dinner, while you're waiting for it to be served up, you take them and show the bike. I seriously considered an RSV as it was standing right next to the V-11 but the only thing that swayed the Guzzi for me was that I was wanting to ride slower not faster.

Basically what I'm saying is, is that while the TL'S is a great bike, it doesn't have the aura or mystic that only Italian bikes have.

Doesn't anyone else agree with me here, or have I gone stark raving mad. I understand what your saying,my old man had a succesion of bevel drive Ducatis when i was a young fella......the blue and silver 900ss in particular just took my heart away.......for me anyway the Ducatis built these days have lost that aura.....dont get me wrong i am not saying thay arnt fantastic motorcycles,ive only owned one and not a very good model at that......actually i will be honest and say it was a pile of shit but more fool me for buying it.i appreciate any motorcycle thats had time and effort put in by the owner and with the amount of japanese classics about these days i believe the words classic.aura/character apply to them as much as any off the rack italian bike,i used to love seeing an italian bike on the road but these days i really dont notice em anymore as theres so many of them and they kinda all look the same.........anyway a bit off topic,whatever you buy i hope you enjoy it as much as i enjoy mine...

skelstar

11th June 2007, 12:11

Just an update if people are interested.

Well, I have been kinda put off the TL for now...I think the ones I can find are aa little too long in the tooth and the grey area regarding the handling issue will more than likely prey on my mind to be honest. So looked at the RSV option. The one that I had lined up was (rightfully) out of my reach money-wise, so I'm now thinking of maybe spending a bit more and looking at the following options:

'04 ZX-10R, CBR954RR, '04-06 ZX-636R, '03 RSV, 748R

I know that a V-twin was my first choice, but I think I'll enjoy the fact that a sportsbike engine is going rev-freer and feel 'lighter' than the one in my Hornet. In car terms it feels like the flywheel is heavy in the CB900, so when I'm in a corner with the revs high its hard to keep the throttle smooth. Not sure if that analogy translates to bike engines.

Like the 10R before they went underseated...same with the 6R. Wouldn't mind one of the orange/pearl magma-red R's. I like orange *shrugs*. Might get one of either of those for about $12k.

I've ridden an 03 RSV so that would be nice. I think I could get a good one for about $12k. I think they are a much better looking bike than the '99.

I heard a whisper about a cheap 748R yesterday (in red!). Would be a pretty awesome bike to own, maybe a little wasted on me...more worried about the comfort than anything else. My neck isn't the strongest eh...guess I'll have to hit up a 996/998 rider/mate for a Feathers-Martinborough test ride sometime. Just to get a feel for the ergos.

I haven't ridden any/many of these bikes so its a bit of a guessing game as to what they will be like. As I have said before I'm not so much worried about how fast they are, just the sensation and the comfort/rideability.

Anyway, welcome thoughts if anyone has any.

Kendog

11th June 2007, 12:29

Simons bike?

Trudes

11th June 2007, 12:32

Yeah Skels, just check out Nige's signature, be a man not a woman....:mellow:
As for the weak neck, stop with the hand exercises for a bit and do some neck ones instead, nodding is usually a good start, aye Nige (just nod :yes: )
All p/t

skelstar

11th June 2007, 12:33

Simons bike?

Great bike...but I really don't want a GSXR. They might be better than what I will end up with, but I want to love my bike, not everyones else's too :) (make sense?).

Maybe if it was black.

limbimtimwim

11th June 2007, 12:36

Maybe if it was black.I can slosh some paint on it for a fee. Or I could not clean it and just ride up and down the Mt Vic tunnel.

Kendog

11th June 2007, 12:36

Great bike...but I really don't want a GSXR. They might be better than what I will end up with, but I want to love my bike, not everyones else's too :) (make sense?).

Maybe if it was black.

I know exactly what you are saying :yes:

My Hornet mod thread was great, lots of people interested and went on for ages.
The GSXR mod thread, lets just say it has not seen the same amount of interest.

Just another Suzuki, yep. Just another GSXR, yep. But while riding it nothing else matters.

James Deuce

11th June 2007, 12:36

I was going to suggest Simon's bike too. Arguably a better sports bike than any of them with excellent comfort.

If not that the 954 rates as one of my favourite bikes in that class. Usual complaints about Honda apply; "It's too good", "it's so competent it feels bland". But by golly they are fun to ride fast and the paint doesn't flake off and fasteners don't grow a fur coat when confronted with *GASP* rain.

The RSV would be my next favourite in terms of your criteria, but I love the 748 as a pure Sports Bike. It's like a 250 with the shove of a 600 and the engine is never harsh and never fails to race to redline in a way that makes you want to squeal like a girl (in your head anyway). Most other people like the 916-998 engine better, but I'm odd.

skelstar

11th June 2007, 12:42

Most other people like the 916-998 engine better, but I'm odd.

Meh, power is useless for me. If I'm falling behind It's because I'm not as good cornering. Theres no honour in catching up under acceleration (except on the track).

Wouldn't mind racing my next bike (clubmans).

James Deuce

11th June 2007, 12:47

Meh, power is useless for me. .

Me too.....

RantyDave

11th June 2007, 13:25

I'm now thinking of maybe spending a bit more and looking at the following options:

'04 ZX-10R, CBR954RR, '04-06 ZX-636R, '03 RSV, 748R
Well, Duc's have a hard earned reputation as maintenance monsters and I'd avoid the 748R for just that reason. The ZX-10 would probably be quite a beast - I've always thought of them as a real "spit you off" kinda bike. I've often thought I'd quite like an older blade, ditto a 636.

I can't imagine the blade would be all that different from your hornet. I'm sure you can blag a ride on a 636 from someone though...

Dave

skelstar

11th June 2007, 13:34

Well...it was suggested that I could do (or a wrench-gifted friend who likes beer) a bulk of the maintenance on the 748R. This would have to be researched. The '04 spitting-off thing I think can be rectified a little with a steering damper. I'm sure if i talk to Nic (crazylittleshit) he would give me a ride on his bike. I think any sportsbike is going to be different enough to my 'net. I know I friggin hated the 04 CBR600RR that i rode. Hated it.

Darkman

11th June 2007, 13:57

Lissa

11th June 2007, 14:05

hey mate...something I just recently discovered is that overthinking/researching = changing yer mind = overthinking/researching = changing yer mind = overthinking/researching = changing yer mind = ............

= still not sure

= alot of time passed and still nothing happened.

therefore i will suggest you ( take some cash + bargaining skills = Buy the ZX10 )

I know you like the bike, so just buy it and make it work for ya(you know..put some buell headlights on it, some flags and whatever makes it work for you):scooter:

oh..and i just discovered i'm gonna fail maths too.:shit:
I like the way you think!!! Too bad on the maths, I would ask if you had been practicing too much table tennis and not enough study, but then again Ive seen you play... so cant be that. :mellow: :D

Why cant you go and test ride some bikes? You seem to be more bothered by the position and how comfortable you will be, and the only way you will know this is by riding them. :) Just my 5c worth.

James Deuce

11th June 2007, 14:25

skelstar

11th June 2007, 14:29

You've heard of King Canute? You'd need to do a brain transplant to make him stop over analysing.
Fine, I over analyse...but that Hornet was the perfect bike for me. I didn't get that wrong eh?

Nothing wrong with exploring/eliminating options before riding the bikes. You might be right about the 10R DM. I can't see myself owning a homologated Ducati anytime soon.

Don't understand the Canute reference btw :no:

Devil

11th June 2007, 14:36

'04 ZX-10R, CBR954RR, '04-06 ZX-636R, '03 RSV, 748R

In car terms it feels like the flywheel is heavy in the CB900, so when I'm in a corner with the revs high its hard to keep the throttle smooth.

Out of that group I think the 954 would be the most useful for you.
I think couple of extra points in the comfort stakes, you can fit plenty of luggage on them and they're a tidy solid bike.

You flywheel analogy is backwards. A heavier flywheel provides a steadier throttle, while a lighter or non-existant flywheel will add to a twitchy throttle.

Devil

11th June 2007, 14:37

And while i'm thinking about the analysis side of things. I do the same, look at all the details, specs everything and constantly change my mind.

... then I actually go ride the bikes and throw all that out the window!

Go ride them heh.

skelstar

11th June 2007, 14:50

You flywheel analogy is backwards. A heavier flywheel provides a steadier throttle, while a lighter or non-existant flywheel will add to a twitchy throttle.
Shit you're right. Don't know what I was thinking. Maybe its the way that the fuel feeds when the throttle is shut off. I don't know. It sucks to ride when you're tipped over in the corner, with the revs up, trying to have a slightly positive throttle....but not tooooo much ;)

Devil

11th June 2007, 14:52

Thar be fuel injection gremlins in most bikes and they're usually most evident juggling between closed and tiny throttle openings. Suzuki's fuel injection pisses me off the most and is related to their dodgy dual butterfly intake valve'y thingy's.

The Pastor

11th June 2007, 14:54

Sorry to hijack a thread, but whats the differance between an rsv, millie and trueno?

Devil

11th June 2007, 15:00

Sorry to hijack a thread, but whats the differance between an rsv, millie and trueno?

Two are the same bike, the other's a car.
Badoom psh.

An RSV 1000 is often referred to as an RSV mille. I think that used to be written on them too, but no longer.
The Tuono is the naked version of the RSV.

RantyDave

11th June 2007, 15:01

]I know I friggin hated the 04 CBR600RR that i rode. Hated it.
Interesting. Why? Again, not in a ranting fanboy sort of way, merely interested in the experience...

Dave

The Pastor

11th June 2007, 15:07

Two are the same bike, the other's a car.
Badoom psh.

An RSV 1000 is often referred to as an RSV mille. I think that used to be written on them too, but no longer.
The Tuono is the naked version of the RSV.

any big differances between the rsv and the tuono? just fairings? Differance in price?

skelstar

11th June 2007, 15:08

My hands were waaaaay way down and there was heaps of weight on my hands. No where near as comfortable as the GSXR k5/6 or the RSV. The K3 1000 of Drews was a bit worse than the K5/6 but no where near as bad as the CBR600. I rode the 600 from Te Kuiti out to 8mile junction...and a bit of the way to Taumaranui.

Devil

11th June 2007, 15:31

any big differances between the rsv and the tuono? just fairings? Differance in price?

Fairings, bars etc. Some different shock and brake specifications on the standard models, although you can buy "factory" versions of both bikes with ohlins suspension, brembo brakes etc. Tuono is about $2k cheaper than RSV.

Whats awesome about the current tuono compared to other naked versions of sports bikes is it uses the same engine with the same power output as the RSV, 139hp.

Darkman

11th June 2007, 15:33

I like the way you think!!! Too bad on the maths, I would ask if you had been practicing too much table tennis and not enough study, but then again Ive seen you play... so cant be that. :mellow: :D

at least i can keep score!!

skelstar

11th June 2007, 15:40

at least i can keep score!!

Yeah, its a pity it wasn't the score of the game we were playing :mellow:

I could buy a GSXR and paint it the colour that I want...probably just black :) ...

WRT

11th June 2007, 15:51

Whats awesome about the current tuono compared to other naked versions of sports bikes is it uses the same engine with the same power output as the RSV, 139hp.

Close, but they are actually slightly lower rated than the same year RSVR (factory or non). The current RSVR is rated at 143bhp to the Touno's 139, and when the RSVR's were rated 139, the Tuonos rated 123 I think.

A lot of the aftermarket bits are straight swap however, like exhausts etc - even the full system, headers and all. Interestingly the Tuonos are slightly rear biased weight-wise, I think something like 53% on the rear wheel, 47% on the front. Would imagine that this could have something to do with the lack of confidence in the front that Clivoris mentioned, as the RSVR has a very confidence inspiring front.

I would also have thought that the rear bias would make the Tuono a wheelie monster!

skelstar

11th June 2007, 15:52

There must be a bit of weight in the fairings of the RSV eh?

Lissa

11th June 2007, 15:56

at least i can keep score!!
:rofl: And you are bloody good at it too. I think you should forget study and become a full time Table Tennis Reffing Cheater!!

But on topic... I really like Flames bike.. the Aprilla :D

Devil

11th June 2007, 17:12

The current RSVR is rated at 143bhp to the Touno's 139

Ah yes, and Tuono has slightly more torque.

WRT

11th June 2007, 21:09

There must be a bit of weight in the fairings of the RSV eh?

Not sure what causes the difference in weight bias, as like you say there is supposedly only the fairings to make the difference. However definitely the ergonomics of the RSVR will shift more of the riders weight over the front wheel, as it has a more agressive seating postion compared to the Tuono.

Edit: According to the Aprilia website, the RSVR weighs a whopping 4kg dry more than the Tuono. Maybe the fairing does add a bit?

Kendog

11th June 2007, 21:12

Have you seen this (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=51646) sexy machine?

skelstar

11th June 2007, 21:38

I have, its Factory and newer model which means too expensive for me. The one I buy if Italian will be an 2nd hand import from Japan.

flame

11th June 2007, 21:39

:

But on topic... I really like Flames bike.. the Aprilla :D

:yes: me too! Dunno how it'd look in 'orange' tho :crazy:

Clivoris

11th June 2007, 22:00

My mate has an Ducati S4R Monster. If it had a little more poke I would have preferred it to my Ape. Truth be told though, when I rode it, it was the most connected I've ever felt with the road. Awesome feedback and sooo confidence inspiring. They can be scored pretty cheep as an import now.

Sensei

11th June 2007, 22:01

The 03 have a better motor delivery than the 04-06 which tend to be a top end blaster where the 03 02 01 etc have a more useable bottom to mid range & abit less top .

Sensei

11th June 2007, 22:03

Mates 03 Tuono racing feels abit funny with the weight over the back end more than the front which is one reason I never brought it when it was at the shop which I got my 03 RSVR from

skelstar

11th June 2007, 22:10

They can be scored pretty cheep as an import now.
They can. I never used to get Monsters...until I saw a YouTube of C Phieffer (spelling) stunting on one. Not a fan of the pretty S4Rs's etc. The more basic ones are cool.

Again, its about the wind etc.

04 ZX-10R on trademe at the mo for $11,500 (buy now)...local, 30,000kms on it. Green.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=104062737&key=809901

SlowHand

11th June 2007, 22:30

Heh, good luck Sean, on the same boat here. Tell you what, you start test riding from your neck of the woods, and I'll start from mine. If we meet in the middle, we'll just buy the first 2 gixxers we see. :slap:

ipod1098

11th June 2007, 22:33

They can. I never used to get Monsters...until I saw a YouTube of C Phieffer (spelling) stunting on one. Not a fan of the pretty S4Rs's etc. The more basic ones are cool.

Again, its about the wind etc.

04 ZX-10R on trademe at the mo for $11,500 (buy now)...local, 30,000kms on it. Green.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=104062737&key=809901

offer 10k spend 1.5k on new black paint job!! these things are kickarse! you,ll never stop smyllin.

skelstar

11th June 2007, 22:34

I'd meet you halfway if knew where your 'way' was :)

Its fun init?

skelstar

12th June 2007, 12:53

Been thinking again...as I see it a 04 ZX10R and 05 636 are going to be a very similar price 2nd hand. What I've been reading makes me think that the 10 might be quite overkill power-wise considering how I ride (156HP at the back wheel :shit:)...whereas the 636 is more likely to be more appropriate. I'll just have to learn to rev it a bit more. Also might be able to get a black 636 easier than a black 10.

Another factor is pillioning. I'd like to be able to do a reasonably solid trip with someone on the back. Is the 10 going to be better at this job (ergos)?

Cajun

12th June 2007, 13:02

ergos on the 6 and 10 be simlar (simlar sizes and what not), just 10 be able to pillion better since more torque and what not, does not say the 600 will not, 10 would be easyier, but also depends on how often you plan on doing this, couple of times a year, (deal with it 600) if every few weeks would go 10

skelstar

12th June 2007, 13:05

Yeah more likely to be 2-3 times/yr. She'll be on her own bike touring in no time anyway.

Cajun

12th June 2007, 13:08

well then forgot about that 2-3 times a year don't count,

really have to ride a 600/1000cc and which one suits you better

eg i much perfer the 600 than 1000cc

limbimtimwim

12th June 2007, 13:56

God man make up your mind. I think if you are thinking 600 then you should ride a current R6. Fun bike. Would be a useless pillion machine. And a worse tourer.

But what an awesome bike anyway!

skelstar

12th June 2007, 14:06

Its decision process :rockon:

SlowHand

12th June 2007, 15:15

I'd meet you halfway if knew where your 'way' was :)

Its fun init?

It'd be Taupo. Duh :p

Coincidentally, I'm going to be in Taupo this weekend :mellow:

flame

12th June 2007, 16:57

ok mr Skelscantmakeupmymindmybrainhurts!

zx10's yep kinda yummy, but what about that 748Rrrrrrrrr in "RED" mint as mint ohlins thisthatandtheotherthingy....$12K

.....emmmmmmmmmmmm Ive got pictures....:yes:

skelstar

12th June 2007, 18:06

....$12K
F**k me! ...pictures please.

flame

12th June 2007, 18:13

F**k me! ...pictures please.

okydoky doodlebum, pic on its way via PM. Cant let EVERYBODY see ya new bike before you do hehehehehehe.

Darkman

12th June 2007, 18:41

okydoky doodlebum, pic on its way via PM. Cant let EVERYBODY see ya new bike before you do hehehehehehe.

can i have some pics too please...email: andries.nieman@ihug.co.nz

skelstar

12th June 2007, 18:43

can i have some pics too please...email: andries.nieman@ihug.co.nz

Back off!!! :)

flame

12th June 2007, 18:49

can i have some pics too please...email: andries.nieman@ihug.co.nz

Oh don't listen to Skels, he'll be lookin at a Harley by 9'o clock :shutup:

Pics on its way dude

just kidding skels doodlebum :)

Darkman

12th June 2007, 18:52

better hurry up... i need a @#$$% magnet and can't afford a sportscar nor a hummer..damn!!!!:yes:

skelstar

12th June 2007, 18:53

@#$$%
'boy' is spelt with with three letters dude.

skelstar

12th June 2007, 18:56

Hmmmm 748R...:drool:

<img src="http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/D/Ducati748Rm-001-f.jpg">

Darkman

12th June 2007, 19:01

'boy' is spelt with with three letters dude.

sorie misturr clevir..but eye dont caer ho u spel it..i justs wants it

Darkman

12th June 2007, 19:04

Hmmmm 748R...:drool:

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you drooling over the bike or the guy:blip:

flame

12th June 2007, 19:06

better hurry up... i need a @#$$% magnet and can't afford a sportscar nor a hummer..damn!!!!:yes:

Well......I'd consider it a babe magnet for sure! I'D RIDE IT :yes: Lmfao

Lissa

12th June 2007, 19:28

Well......I'd consider it a babe magnet for sure! I'D RIDE IT :yes: Lmfao
LOL...

Its a pretty nice bike alright.

You wanna pulls the chicks or guys Darkman.. go for a red!!

what this space... in 6 months time skellybum will still be wondering what to get!

limbimtimwim

12th June 2007, 19:32

748S == single seat

skelstar

12th June 2007, 19:34

748S == single seat
Andreis likes to magnetise the chicks and then tell them to go away. Treat'm mean, keep'm keen!

Lightning

12th June 2007, 20:03

Mate its a shame you have been put off the idea of a TL. I owned one for years and it was a mnt bike. Rode it in anger many times and it never scared me, on standard suspension too!

I have mates who also had them, sold them to buy RSV's and will admit they should have kept their TLs and the extra cash in the bank!

The thing started everytime, did track days, long trips, quick fangs, cruise on it or push it, she was the best bike I ever owned, nice set of pipes they still sound the sweetest too.

Nothing wrong with the RSV, but value for money the TL will still be hard to beat and will hold value better than a 4.

I read all the horror stories in the mags etc but honestly those journos (and I know a few of them) can get pretty carried away sometimes so dont buy into everythng you read.

Cheers

Sensei

12th June 2007, 20:27

[QUOTE=Lightning , I have mates who also had them, sold them to buy RSV's and will admit they should have kept their TLs and the extra cash in the bank!

Would be interested what a TL did or does better than a RSV !

limbimtimwim

12th June 2007, 21:59

Would be interested what a TL did or does better than a RSV !Sometimes it is about fun, not being the best.

Trudes

13th June 2007, 07:21

Spoken by someone who has a Suzuki.... oops, did I just say that :dodge:

RC1

13th June 2007, 09:27

hi skel if too much hp is an issue your worried about a standard TLS has only 125 so its not overkill mines 140 at rw and is still not to much power but its capable of keeping up with most of the more hp bikes up to about 240-250ish kph (not that i do those speeds):whistle: great torque through the range no need to rev hard or change gears to overtake, great through tight twisties, also has good pillion comfort (my pillion rides for hours no probs), my 2c

imdying

13th June 2007, 10:03

Would be interested what a TL did or does better than a RSV !You might have it back to front, they might not have found the RSV did anything sufficiently better for them for the extra dosh?

skelstar

13th June 2007, 10:31

Hee hee hee, I'm prolific :yes:

<img src="http://www.maxmoto.co.uk/images/aprilia_tuono_racing_3l.jpg">

Or maybe just a pain in the arse (M - keep quiet!)

imdying

13th June 2007, 10:49

Easily the best shape for those :yes: :yum:

skelstar

13th June 2007, 10:53

Agreed.

Worried about the handling of these things as they are nekid, but read LOTS of reviews and can't find anyone that says that they aren't fantastic handlers...even the standard Tuono. Gotta have faith I suppose.

Darkman

13th June 2007, 10:58

Something cheap, low maintenance, full faired, fast, good for touring....and.............yeah

wait for it................................................ .................................
.................................................. ..........wait.................................... ...............................wait............... .................................................. .............................................

oh crap i forgot..................

no i did not..............its a Honda

imdying

13th June 2007, 10:59

They just look so damn ugly, which is what makes them look so damn good. The later ones they tried to make look less ugly... which ended up looking like an ugly bird wearing a pretty dress... those original ones, ugly and proud of it :yes: Take me as I am dammit! I couldn't own it though... I'd feel mean making parts for that, with something like that, you're changing just for changing things sake... at least with the SV there's enough things worth biffing to keep me happy for years to come :lol:

skelstar

13th June 2007, 11:00

[Blackbird] :) followed one around for 2500kms (we actually he followed me mostly ;)) and decided it was too heavy and not focused enough.

Darkman

13th June 2007, 11:09

which ended up looking like an ugly bird wearing a pretty dress... :lol:

here is one solution that could work.....

skelstar

13th June 2007, 11:12

Found some better pics...goddamn this bike is sexy!

<img src="http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/A/ApriliaTuonoRacing-4200-022-f.jpg">

<img src="http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/A/ApriliaTuonoRacing-4200-030-f.jpg">

<img src="http://www.motorbox.com/Upload/A/ApriliaTuonoRacing-4200-007-f.jpg">

Darkman

13th June 2007, 11:16

[Blackbird] :) followed one around for 2500kms (we actually he followed me mostly ;)) and decided it was too heavy and not focused enough.

yeah..know the guy and back then he could not ride for shit.....well actually,, he still cant.....so dont listen to him...listen to the Darkman.

Morepower

13th June 2007, 22:11

I have just read through this thread and as always when the TLS comes up as a topic out comes all the BS and there has been plenty of it in this thread.

I purchased my TLS with about 36000kms on it , its now done just over 90000kms . I have for the last couple of years been looking to purchase something newer ( has to be a twin). I have riden the SV's both naked and the S , I have had a spin on a Aprillia Mille and a newer RSV. I have also had a shorter 30 min ride on a 06GSXR 1000

The Aprilia's are excellent bikes but have much stiffer suspension than a TL and as such would not be as good for long distance touring over more ordinary roads.
The SV is in my opinion a more civilised bike and also very good but it lacks the exciting nature of the TL.
The GXR is outstanding but its a 4 and has more power than any sane person could possibly use.

The TL with Ohlins is a soft riding machine that works well on NZ roads. You can have track day fun and set up well is an absolute joy to ride through fast sweepers , as for style I know its all in the eye of the beholder but it has good lines and its been styled by one man so works well.

Oh yeah it picks up its front and shakes and weaves , but its a lot of fun and safe and predictable.

flame

14th June 2007, 09:42

The Aprilia's are excellent bikes but have much stiffer suspension than a TL and as such would not be as good for long distance touring over more ordinary roads.

Oh yeah it picks up its front and shakes and weaves , but its a lot of fun and safe and predictable.

The RSV's ive owned have really good suspension, great for touring or track, like any bike, you need to have them set up for you though to get the most out of it. I haven't ridden a TL, so cant compare. But an RSV R or a Factory with full ohlins is pretty desirable for any kind of riding in my book. Even the standard Mille gives me a dam comfy ride even for hours at a time.

One of the most predictable and planted bikes ive ever ridden.

imdying

14th June 2007, 10:31

Oh yeah it picks up its front and shakes and weaves , but its a lot of fun and safe and predictable.
Heh, read that back to yourself! Shakes and weaves, fun, safe and predictable. You don't sort of expect all of those in the same sentence :rofl:

flame

14th June 2007, 11:49

Hey Sean! go ride a ZX-9 R!!!! :yes: good fun all round bike and they go pretty cheap these days. Get a Blue one though.....and DONT paint it orange!!!!!!!!!!

skelstar

14th June 2007, 11:51

Matte Black chick...not blue ;)

Pity its not the E model though, love the twin headlight bizzo.

ipod1098

14th June 2007, 15:31

whoa!! go the ape????wtf???
My last bike was the r model, the 1 before that just the regular rsv..and i,m wandering what the hype is all about???
The rsv, looked good sounded ok went ok... blah blah and thats about it.. nothin that great.Did the usual derestrict etc + few mods, but still felt it was very all show and No go..
I didn,t learn my lesson there tho... i untill recently had the r model, which was much the same really, just with cf and ohlins.. ha oh well slow learna i guess. Both had the usuall issues.. clutch probs, rear brake (what brake), cold starting etc etc..... i recommend you think long and hard b4 you make your decision.. that is if you are still gettin new wheels..?
Took the rsvr up north b4 the sell, and as far as comfort goes... take a wild guess??
For my money if you are after that permanent grin factor every time you go for a ride.. get a kwaka,gxer,yamy... these litre,s will keep ya smylin 4eva.
peace

skelstar

14th June 2007, 15:33

Cheers ipod :) ...yeah, I think I see something in all the bikes I've groaned on about in this thread. At the end of the day its going to come down to whats available and how much eh? :) ...

Morepower

14th June 2007, 19:56

Heh, read that back to yourself! Shakes and weaves, fun, safe and predictable. You don't sort of expect all of those in the same sentence :rofl:

Thats what makes it fun , it feels like its dangerous but its never failed to straighten up and stay on the black stuff. I am sure other bikes do the same.
The stock rear shock is absolute shit though , too much friction and to much compression dampening coupled with too little rebound.
With th Ohlins the stock spring is too soft for the track even with full preload but works brilliantly on a bumpy back road.

boomer

14th June 2007, 20:17

i know shit about the TL's but from what i've heard they're a handful. can't say tho cos i've never ridden one.. but I understand they have a charm to them... :Punk: ( speedies had one .. give him a shout )

if it were me mate... and i'm still scratchin my head as to why i bought the gixxer.. i'd by the RSV... my dream bike. You look at the build quality, teh lines, the roar of the twin.. ummmm.. yeah RSV or RSVR for me matey!

JUST DO IT !

flame

14th June 2007, 20:23

Cheers ipod :) ...yeah, I think I see something in all the bikes I've groaned on about in this thread. At the end of the day its going to come down to whats available and how much eh? :) ...

noooo....ya banana! it comes down to what YOU like and what FEELS right for you! who cares what other people say or think or like! we all ride different, are built different, think different,feel things different and strive for different things out of our riding, what one person loves another will not. Just go ride all your mates bikes....(not mine though coz you'v already SKELPT them) and see what it is that makes ya go 'oooooohh aarrrrrrhhhhhh'

limbimtimwim

14th June 2007, 20:30

Thats what makes it fun , it feels like its dangerous but its never failed to straighten up and stay on the black stuff. I am sure other bikes do the same.You should ride/buy my GSXR. You feel it about to get a shake on (esp. 2up) and then all is calm again. Spooky. Confidence inspiring. If that is what you want.

skelstar

14th June 2007, 20:52

...and see what it is that makes ya go 'oooooohh aarrrrrrhhhhhh'
Well the thing is that any sports bike is waaaay different from the Hornet eh? ...even the Tuono would be way diff as its a V-twin. I think the 9 is looking like a good investment V ;)

Sensei

15th June 2007, 13:12

Biggles08

15th June 2007, 17:37

Hey Sean! go ride a ZX-9 R!!!! :yes: good fun all round bike and they go pretty cheap these days. Get a Blue one though.....and DONT paint it orange!!!!!!!!!!

I agree...but get a green one:Punk::scooter:

The 9 is all what you described you wanted but its a 4, not V twin. I've just been to the Brass Monkey and back on mine (3600km total) and it performed well as a tourer (apart from some carb icing issues) and yet its a super sports 'rip it up' bike to ride on the road....forget the TL (although they are cool too), forget a GSXR (If you want something with hooligism) and go find a mint 98+ ZX9R and you will be away laughing. Good luck

skelstar

17th June 2007, 11:07

...and go find a mint 98+ ZX9R and you will be away laughing.
I think I may have found one ;) (blue though)...
Cheers

Biggles08

17th June 2007, 11:15

I think I may have found one ;) (blue though)...
Cheers

Sweet. What year? how much? what k's? Run out of questions now:mellow:.

Mooch

29th June 2007, 18:33

nah forget that .... Get the Ducati !

skelstar

29th June 2007, 22:45

Already have the next bike sorted, just have to sell the Hornet now. Please anyone?

Zapf

30th June 2007, 03:30

I like the idea of muscling a bike around

I tend to think Hornets arn't anywhere close to having to be muscling around.

Zapf

30th June 2007, 04:05

Shit you're right. Don't know what I was thinking. Maybe its the way that the fuel feeds when the throttle is shut off. I don't know. It sucks to ride when you're tipped over in the corner, with the revs up, trying to have a slightly positive throttle....but not tooooo much ;)

I think when you run fuel / injection system at close to max [top end of hornet] they get snachy, because its maxing out its injectors or flow.

Been thinking again...as I see it a 04 ZX10R and 05 636 are going to be a very similar price 2nd hand. What I've been reading makes me think that the 10 might be quite overkill power-wise considering how I ride (156HP at the back wheel :shit:)...whereas the 636 is more likely to be more appropriate. I'll just have to learn to rev it a bit more. Also might be able to get a black 636 easier than a black 10.(ergos)?

Can you live with the drop in torque on a 600 coming from the Hornet?

[Blackbird] :) followed one around for 2500kms (we actually he followed me mostly ;)) and decided it was too heavy and not focused enough.

Fair enough :) Its like a Limo...

yeah..know the guy and back then he could not ride for shit.....well actually,, he still cant.....so dont listen to him...listen to the Darkman.

Hay watch IT!

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sKelStar,

Why not a 954? The are light, and reasonably quick and handles really well. Explains why I still have mine.
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So what is the new bike :)

Gremlin

30th June 2007, 04:41

Thar be fuel injection gremlins in most bikes
I resemble that! I had nothing to do with it :mellow:

Honestly skelstar, from reading, you sound very mixed, and not sure what you actually want. First up, sportsbikes will have a greater weight on your wrists, than the cb. The cb is a very upright bike, with your forearms almost horizontal.

It really comes down to what you want from a bike, and test riding would help heaps. The cb is good for low speed cornering, and generally flicking around. Its boring and uncomfortable for high speed work, and I've found its quite the handful with a top box, wind and 200kph. This also includes motorways, for me. I find faired bikes much more comfortable, protection wise, but you can just about be killed, after 1 hour at a constant speed, no throttle adjustments etc, on a cramped sportsbike.

On the other hand, (depending on which particular sportsbike) they make mincemeat of speed, you're into license losing speeds in 1st or 2nd gear, and generally, you have to keep an extremely close eye on speeds. They aren't as friendly at low speeds either, in my experience.

Bikes have different purposes, you have to find the right balance between them. Personally, with my license so crucial to me, my aim is to have more fun, at lower speeds. I get the fun factor, without worrying about my license...

skidMark

30th June 2007, 05:06

tl1000s! u strange people gotta get the tl1000R with the big pretty hump

omg thats one hell of a sexy bike.

Sidewinder

30th June 2007, 06:46

VTR1000 because honda's rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sAsLEX

30th June 2007, 07:08

tl1000s! u strange people gotta get the tl1000R with the big pretty hump

omg thats one hell of a sexy bike.

They stoppie pretty nice as well when you nearly miss a turning bike in front of you...... aye Speedie!

skelstar

30th June 2007, 09:49

I think when you run fuel / injection system at close to max [top end of hornet] they get snachy, because its maxing out its injectors or flow.
No, it had nothing to do with fuel level.

Can you live with the drop in torque on a 600 coming from the Hornet?
I'm sure I could cope.

Why not a 954?
Yup, have considered that but not alot of them about eh. I thought you were looking at selling yours?

So what is the new bike :)
I'll let you know when someone buys my Hornet.

Honestly skelstar, from reading, you sound very mixed, and not sure what you actually want. First up, sportsbikes will have a greater weight on your wrists, than the cb. The cb is a very upright bike, with your forearms almost horizontal.
Don't worry I have a good idea what I want :mellow:, I've ridden sports bikes and I do remember that there was more weight on the hands/wrists. I'll be ok.

Zapf

30th June 2007, 18:19

Yup, have considered that but not alot of them about eh. I thought you were looking at selling yours?

its possible. think reason not a lot of them around is that people are keeping them :) I'll sell mine when I want something else hard enough.... but so far nothing is pushing me hard enough to sell it yet.. might be a different story if someone turns up with a large bunch of folding

Zapf

30th June 2007, 18:23

200kph.
:bash:

10 char

Gremlin

30th June 2007, 19:36

200kph:bash:

10 char
:dodge: sorry boss

I think... it was rather exciting

skelstar

30th June 2007, 22:23

I think... it was rather exciting
Try 190 with your legs hooked over the crash bungs (and passing Jill)...thats kind of exciting! :yes:

boomer

30th June 2007, 22:32

Try 190 with your legs hooked over the crash bungs (and passing Jill)...thats kind of exciting! :yes:

i've tried 69 like that .... not with Jill tho

p.s. BUY THE RSVR bro!

Zapf

30th June 2007, 22:50

and i'm still scratchin my head as to why i bought the gixxer..

LOL... think that happened to me when I bought my 750. My conclusion is the intake roar

boomer

30th June 2007, 22:58

LOL... think that happened to me when I bought my 750. My conclusion is the intake roar

true.. i've never heard anything like that before.. but i do like the Aprillas :love:

limbimtimwim

30th June 2007, 23:02

Try 190 with your legs hooked over the crash bungs (and passing Jill)...thats kind of exciting! :yes:Yeah, she might be skinny but you'd need stirrups to pass any human.

Personally, I'd find it releasing, rather than exciting to pass someone.

Then again, each unto their own. I'm sure there is a website for you somewhere.

boomer

1st July 2007, 23:01

Yeah, she might be skinny but you'd need stirrups to pass any human.

Personally, I'd find it releasing, rather than exciting to pass someone.

Then again, each unto their own. I'm sure there is a website for you somewhere.

just as an observation...you worry me. first a helmet with butterflies now some wellies that shout 'bent'....

ps.. BUY THE RSVR bro

limbimtimwim

2nd July 2007, 07:35

just as an observation...you worry me. first a helmet with butterflies now some wellies that shout 'bent'....First of all, they are flowers, not butterflies. Second you are a poo face.
ps.. BUY THE RSVR broMe? Buy a RSVR? No, I've got a much worse idea.

skelstar

2nd July 2007, 07:37

First of all, they are flowers, not butterflies.
Its Simon's party helmet.

boomer

2nd July 2007, 07:54

First of all, they are flowers, not butterflies. Second you are a poo face.Me? Buy a RSVR? No, I've got a much worse idea.

the fact remains.... your a tad strange;

and i was telling shaun to get the rsvr

limbimtimwim

2nd July 2007, 08:19

Its Simon's party helmet.It's been a few years since I went to a party that required a helmet. Though your angry table tennis nearly warrants it.

skelstar

2nd July 2007, 08:34

and i was telling shaun to get the rsvr
"Sean"...

Though your angry table tennis nearly warrants it.
I have a lot of anger in me. How about someone buy my bike to alleviate some of it?

N4CR

2nd July 2007, 12:57

:bash:

10 char

roflbusted. seen the latest chicks dig scars dvd? he let them do some stunts on it too! hornet ars3 protector boxes make great 12 bars....

Sidewinder

9th July 2007, 00:10

the fact remains.... your a tad strange;

and i was telling shaun to get the rsvr

thats not strange....

how do you get your knee down like in youre lill pic there? i have no problem off getting my bar down

TLMAN

9th July 2007, 09:53

There's a whole lot of blah blah killer bike accident prone blah in this thread, but you talk to the actual owners, and they don't find that they have many problems. Apparently a Hagon or Ohlins and any problems go away anyway... but you've been reading the TL forums, so you probably already know what :)

I fully agree. I have a bunch of old bike magazines which brakes down all the different settings for the dampner etc which I have found extremely useful and accurate. I push my TL hard on a regular basis and have had no problems with it and no scary moments at all. I think it comes down to the individual rider and how well he can ride.