Test rode the 2007 R1 today at Paihia. [Archive]

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 20:35

Well I thought Id head down to my friends at Henderson Motorcycles n try on the new 07 R1 they had there n take it for a blat today... First off just sittin on her I noticed how much longer she felt as compared to my 07 R6. Put her in 1st and twisted the throttle ... lol u shuda seen the managers face when it did nuthing but spin on the spot ¬¬ I gave him a sheepish smile n let go of the throttle... slowly out of the drive then headed towards Piahia for a nice blat (or so i thought). right let me tel u straight off it is freekin hard to keep this bike under 80 (virtually impossible and actually required emmense amount of skill to do so). The R1 was surprisingly smooth.. (stock suspension). and was so much heavier than my R6. around the twisties I noticed that I couldnt simply throw the bike from one corner to another .. there was this one scary moment when I tried to do just that and instead of banking left she kept goin stright.. im like wtf and had to use the foot rests to put pressure down on the side I wanted to go. The R6 on the other hand needs nuthing.. u can come out of a tight corner and immediately throw it into the next one doesnt stay straight for as long as the R1. But man the pickup on the R1 was absolutely insane... doing about 140 i just twisted the throttle on 2nd and she was airbound ... Im like fuck yeaaaaa... so easy to control as well... I was a bit skeptical at first about the cornering abilities but the R1 is easy enough to corner... but u must however not clip her straight out of the corner even if its a straight of at whatever speed and immeterial of the gear u will wheelspin. I also noticed the difference in braking on the front twin discs (upgraded to 6 pot callipers for the 07 R1). just need to tap the front breaks n ur into a stoppie! almost the same for my R6 but what really turned me on about the R1 was the smooth pickup and the lazy feel of the bike... I had her in 2nd almost all the time whether I was at 20 or 200 lol didnt feel the need for a gear change. This bike will give u a few bad habbits. It will also just as easily kill an amature .... so pls people dont buy one unless ur upgrding from a 600 or 750 atleast. Overall the R1 was everything I had hoped it to be and I confirm Rossis statement about it being the best litre track bike in the world. Anyhow id still rather have my R6 as its so much easier to ride and corner... also heaps of torque... well it was satisfying and i thought id share my moment with all u bike fanatics too :)

Peace
Raj.:Punk:

MVnut

5th June 2007, 21:41

Say hi to Adam at Hsn M/c for me, missed him last time I was in Aucks he was in Aus. If you rude the thou more the power becomes addictive:scooter:

Deviant Esq

5th June 2007, 21:53

Nice mate, sounds like you had an absolute blast! Not thinking about trading your R6 for it are ya? ;)

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 22:08

Nice mate, sounds like you had an absolute blast! Not thinking about trading your R6 for it are ya? ;)
No mate im gonna keep my R6 I feel at home on her and am able to keep upto the litre bikes I ride with, with the R1 I think Ill have to learn how to ride all over again.... massive 18" rear tire though :whistle:

[quote]Say hi to Adam at Hsn M/c for me, missed him last time I was in Aucks he was in Aus. If you rude the thou more the power becomes addictive:scooter:[quote]

I will say hi to Adam next time im in what was ur name mate? PS: I can tell why ud say that the power becomes addictive, its true. But Id need to be much much much much more skilled to successfully ride one of those 190 bhp maniacs legally ;) Id give my licence 2 weeks with one of those. Atleast with a little restraint I can keep my R6 at 50.

Nutter34

5th June 2007, 22:12

massive 18" rear tire though :whistle:

Um, no! 17"

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 22:16

No no im pretty sure it was 18 ! looked fatter than my 17

R6_kid

5th June 2007, 22:22

Karma

5th June 2007, 22:23

But Id need to be much much much much more skilled to successfully ride one of those 190 bhp maniacs legally ;)

190?? Where'd you pull that figure from?

R6_kid

5th June 2007, 22:26

No no im pretty sure it was 18 ! looked fatter than my 17

ROFL... learn something dude. The 17 is the diameter of the wheel.

180/55/17 as it says on your R6 means 180mm wide, 55% height(aka profile) (correct me if im wrong), and 17 inch rim.

The R1 would be running a 190/50/17 standard I think, I personally preferred the 190/55 that The Stranger has on his GSXR1000K3 at present, gives it a much quicker tip in (compared to squared off shinko that's not saying much!).

R6_kid

5th June 2007, 22:27

190?? Where'd you pull that figure from?

the crank? i think most shops are quoting it at 185bhp, maybe a tad more with ram-air

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 22:36

ummm... the R1 has a 17inch rear. The current setup of race bikes around the world, and the availability of tyres in the 18inch size, especially for a modern one litre would make it a suicidal move if Yamaha put an 18 on the rear.

I would be interested to see how your view compares to a more experienced rider. I will be in at some stage to test ride the R6 they have just got in (if it doesnt sell before hand), which i may then follow up by test riding the big brother.

I would be suprised if it was actually wheel spinning in any gear, unless of course you were being ham-fisted with the throttle. I may be a good 30kg heavier than you, but even i couldnt get the GSXR1000k3 spinning it up in 2nd at full throttle, and with you being lighter i would have pictured it wheelying rather than spinning up, unless of course it was wet.

Just out interest, what roads did you ride it on?

Does it really take immense skill to ride it at under 80kmh? It should ride smoothly at 20kmh, getting down below 10kmh outside of a straight line might start to be challenging, but keeping a 1000cc bike under 80kmh in my books takes maturity - not skill :dodge:

Oh well dude, glad you enjoyed it. It's good to see the bike is doing well in WSBK, although not as good as i would have hoped, that Ducati is still something to beat!

Just out of interest what other bikes have you owned/ridden previous to the R6?

Hey !! i didnt no it had a 17 inch rear as it looked bigger than mine maybe because it was new and the rubber was more curvy? I just presumed. I was being ham fisted with the throttle as i wanted to see what she could do and she was all over the place but it wasnt scary as while spinnin it was still moving ... and the roads were mossy ( u know the roads leading up to piahia comin from henderson? those roads some of them were green with moss.) also man ducatis in my books are just lookers ... well most of them anyhow they dont have what it takes to excite for sure... and ive ridden the 999s i think thats the best of them. Ive ridden many bikes over the last few yrs but owned the comet 250 the bajaj pulsar, Honda CBZ ( theyre foreign bikes so u wudnt no them) and the cbr 400rr and now the R6. as for a more experienced rider ... Rossi seems to agree that the R1 is the perfect track bike ;):love: also the R1 to the best of my knowledge has a little over 185 bhp no? so 190 would not be wrong with air induced intake?

R6_kid

5th June 2007, 22:49

Haha, a little bit of knowledge never goes too far astray mate. And i think you mean PIHA, so we're talking scenic drive, which would be quite damp and slippery.

Scenic drive wouldn't be my pick to test the R1 but it's where i will most likely end up riding it myself. The Piha Road would be better suited, atleast at the inland end, the tighter stuff may get tricky.

Ducati just lookers... check the latest in MotoGP and WSBK and see what bike is at the front last year, and also at the moment. Ducati's aren't just lookers mate, they have awesome handling and brakes. I dont think you got to ride a top of the line Ducati 999... cant remember if it is the S or the R, but it would have blown your mind if you did ride it.

Rossi works for Yamaha... need I say more. He used to sell Honda's too, when he raced for Honda. In a similar way that Troy Bayliss sells Ducatis (they sell themselves too), etc etc

The more unbiased journo's (people like me and you, but with more skill) rate the CBR600RR and Triumph 675 as the best all round mid sized bikes. Unfortunately they also seem to agree that the GSXR1000K7 is the one to beat, though WSBK will prove that right or wrong at the end of the season.

185hp at the crank is what Yamaha claims, that puts at around 170 at the wheel, check the interenet for stats though. Ram-air adds around 4-8hp at top speed (proven in testing) but you need to be doing over 150kmh for that to really come into effect.

Im a Yamaha fan, no lie there, but to say it is the best litre bike in world you would have had to have ridden the GSXR1000k7, CBR1000RR, ZX10R, Ducati 1098, the R1, and lets not forget MV's new Agusta 312. Not saying you are wrong... in your mind it is the best in the world, but its the only one you've ridden. And you've only ridden it on wet, mossy NZ road's with presumably new tyres!

Karma

5th June 2007, 22:58

The more unbiased journo's (people like me and you, but with more skill) rate the CBR600RR and Triumph 675 as the best all round mid sized bikes.

I'd go for either of those, but I'm not a mid-sized person :(

Can I get that super-sized, with a diet coke :Punk:

boomer

5th June 2007, 23:01

my k7 thou span up in first and ending up going full lock, left, right, left before straightening out again... those horses on the new thous are something else Gareth mate... i was friggen scared! although im sure most thous young or old are just as bloody stoopid fast

i'd be a bit worried about you saying it didn't like to corner though... they're supposed to have esp and know exactly where to go before you even do!

damn sexy lookin bikes tho.. but i hear they're not the best at handling.

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 23:11

he he yes I agree I quite like the MV Agustas but who has 40 k ? I can get the same feeling with half that ... its all about the feeling in the end aye... after why do we all ride bikes? feeeeels gooooooood *sigh* lovely lovely bikes them MV's....

R6_kid

5th June 2007, 23:16

my k7 thou span up in first and ending up going full lock, left, right, left before straightening out again... those horses on the new thous are something else Gareth mate... i was friggen scared!

i'd be a bit worried about you saying it didn't like to corner though... they're supposed to have esp and know exactly where to go before you even do!

damn sexy lookin bikes tho.. but i hear they're not the best at handling.

I almost took a silly loan (read paying 35k+) on the R1, but i had some dude on my shoulder yelling in my ear saying get real... i'll take your word for it big man. The gixxer thou k3 i kinda got the hang of, not fast paced by any means (lol, when have i been fast!), but was enjoying it and was relatively smooth and not getting stupid.

I'd be wary of the thou not wanting to corner, my guess is he had gas on when he shouldn't have... but i wasn't there so can't say.

Did you end up on a K7 or a 'late' k6?

boomer

5th June 2007, 23:20

I almost took a silly loan (read paying 35k+) on the R1, but i had some dude on my shoulder yelling in my ear saying get real... i'll take your word for it big man. The gixxer thou k3 i kinda got the hang of, not fast paced by any means (lol, when have i been fast!), but was enjoying it and was relatively smooth and not getting stupid.

I'd be wary of the thou not wanting to corner, my guess is he had gas on when he shouldn't have... but i wasn't there so can't say.

Did you end up on a K7 or a 'late' k6?

you are fast bro... crazy fast ;)

k7 bro... with 0k's and all dressed in blick and shes sexy sexy.. except for the pipes, bent nose and cheap looking plastics ;)

and with any luck.. our Jais will sort me out with some rear sets, lines, tail tidy, 2 growlers and some other sexy shit that i can throw down teh road when she spits me orf!

Cr1MiNaL

5th June 2007, 23:24

my guess is he had gas on when he shouldn't have... but i wasn't there so can't say.

but i thought the bike will corner better if u have the gas on... ffs dont be tellin me sumthin n others tellin the the opposite u all deceide once n for all what to do then tell me... this shit is dangerous!:bye:

Deviant Esq

6th June 2007, 00:00

180/55/17 as it says on your R6 means 180mm wide, 55% height(aka profile) (correct me if im wrong), and 17 inch rim.
The 55 is height of tyre from rim, yeah, but it's also in mm rather than percent. Percent of what? ;)

Weird how they do it... 180mm (width of tyre) / 55mm (height of tyre from rim, measured in the middle) / 17 inches (inside diameter / wheel rim diameter). Why metric for the first two, then imperial for the last? I know, I know, something about wheels always been measured in inches... blah blah... it just doesn't make sense! :lol:

Edit: Ooo, posted right on midnight... wooooOOoo... :ar15:

Sanx

6th June 2007, 00:09

190?? Where'd you pull that figure from?

Probably exactly the same place as he pulled the 140bhp and 18:1 compression ratio for his R6 in another thread...

but i thought the bike will corner better if u have the gas on... ffs dont be tellin me sumthin n others tellin the the opposite u all deceide once n for all what to do then tell me... this shit is dangerous!:bye:

:no: Dude ... work it out the best way for yourself. Some people like cornering under a trailing throttle, but it loads up the front wheel. Some people like gassing it out of a bend, which adds to the risk of the rear stepping out and the bike highsiding. Some people prefer backing the bike in with the rear brake, whilst others go into a corner absolutely neutral then accelerating whilst straightening up.

Work out the way you like best, and stick to it. But FFS don't have a go at others for having different opinions. There's no one right way, though there are plenty of wrong ways. If you can't understand that, then there's a nice GN with your name on it somewhere.

Cr1MiNaL

6th June 2007, 00:19

Probably exactly the same place as he pulled the 140bhp and 18:1 compression ratio for his R6 in another thread...

If you can't understand that, then there's a nice GN with your name on it somewhere.

Dude theres no need to get nasty .. we were all havin a nice friendly conversation till u cane with ur bitter words... also FYI 190 bhp is accurate! so is 140 on the R6 with ram air (but u dont know what that is do u?) looks to me like u know just about nuthing about bikes.... look it up before critiquing others. also i wasnt havin a go at anyone.. this thread was started because I felt good about riding a nice bike... and u go and try to stuff it all up like u did in the other thread stop following me ffs.

Karma

6th June 2007, 00:37

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/5835/6112/

Who quotes BHp figures including ram air...

Sanx

6th June 2007, 10:36

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/5835/6112/

Who quotes BHp figures including ram air...

He does. But I can't comment, 'cos apparently I know nothing. :shutup:

Cr1MiNaL

6th June 2007, 11:01

He does. But I can't comment, 'cos apparently I know nothing. :shutup:

:tugger: + :tugger: = :weird:

R6_kid

6th June 2007, 17:56

I've heard of 135rwhp from an R6, but that was a full spec AMA race bike... so not particularly cheap!

Back Fire

6th June 2007, 19:36

Dude theres no need to get nasty .. we were all havin a nice friendly conversation till u cane with ur bitter words... also FYI 190 bhp is accurate! so is 140 on the R6 with ram air (but u dont know what that is do u?) looks to me like u know just about nuthing about bikes.... look it up before critiquing others. also i wasnt havin a go at anyone.. this thread was started because I felt good about riding a nice bike... and u go and try to stuff it all up like u did in the other thread stop following me ffs.

I'd love to see a legit source on where you are quoting those HP figures from...

either way... sanx is still right about do it your own way... or you'll get 'advised' all the way into A&E from conflicting opinion

SlowHand

6th June 2007, 19:38

hehe, scenic drive, obliviousness. JSG has returned!

Gremlin

6th June 2007, 23:28

I've seen people lower what mags say, for hp figures... I ain't ever seen anyone list higher figures :lol: My personal opinion, it doesn't actually matter what mag says what about what bike. Saying you have 5hp more than your mate is only making other people laugh. Its how you feel on the bike, and how it delivers the hp.

my k7 thou span up in first and ending up going full lock, left, right, left before straightening out again... those horses on the new thous are something else Gareth mate...
you don't need that many horsies... I had a massive lock to lock slapper on my old 7, which had... mmmm 110-120rwhp, the power just kicked in, no smoothness. Scary shit tho :shit:

back to normal events... please carry on, this thread is hilarious :killingme

Biggles08

7th June 2007, 13:28

No mate im gonna keep my R6 I feel at home on her and am able to keep upto the litre bikes I ride with, with the R1 I think Ill have to learn how to ride all over again.... massive 18" rear tire though :whistle:

I'm not sure this is quite accurate dude...when people are helping and making sure you don't get lost and go the wrong way its a fairly big call to say that you can keep up with them. Anyway, doesn't really matter because we all should ride at a pace that is comfortable for us and there is no heroism in riding out of our skin...just need to be accurate when reporting on these sort of things or next time you may find these 'litre' bikes a little harder to 'keep up with' ;) !

Had a good ride with you though cause although my bike probably could actually keep up with the ZX10R's, R1's and ZX14's of this world, I wasn't too keen in tryin:Police::whistle:

90s

7th June 2007, 14:25

... please carry on, this thread is hilarious :killingme

And that's just the spelling!

(there also seems to be this numeracy thing going on too ...)

BIGBOSSMAN

7th June 2007, 14:26

[QUOTE=YamahaR64Life;1084250]No mate im gonna keep my R6 I feel at home on her and am able to keep upto the litre bikes I ride with, with the R1 I think Ill have to learn how to ride all over again.... massive 18" rear tire though :whistle:[quote]
Raj, Raj - use the force...........
Grave danger you are in. Impatient you are.
Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will.

Cr1MiNaL

7th June 2007, 14:27

I'm not sure this is quite accurate dude...when people are helping and making sure you don't get lost and go the wrong way its a fairly big call to say that you can keep up with them. Anyway, doesn't really matter because we all should ride at a pace that is comfortable for us and there is no heroism in riding out of our skin...just need to be accurate when reporting on these sort of things or next time you may find these 'litre' bikes a little harder to 'keep up with' ;) !

Had a good ride with you though cause although my bike probably could actually keep up with the ZX10R's, R1's and ZX14's of this world, I wasn't too keen in tryin:Police::whistle:

Hey ... Doesnt matter if sum people dont wait I know there will be people who will wait anyhow not all peeps here are muppets though there are a few as I have come to c... so if the rest dont want to wait doesnt bother me at all.. but u did wait, so cheers to u, also for the beer :yes: Also I dont think its v mature to analyse every single detail I say on here... a bit of exageration doesnt really matter (its an online forum for petes sake Il say what I like !!)... not everythin should be put under a microscope... im quite happy the way I ride... not saying that I couldnt do 260 and keep up but hey if I stay behind trust me it is by choice and a little bit of self restraint too ... I like my life and license and would like to live a nice and long one :) cheers for ur input anyhow brah... but sum peeps just comment on everthin n im starting not to even bother anymore lol. Peace Raj. Ride Safe n look forward to ridin with u again soon.

Ps: the litre bikes I was so referin to werent the guys I rode with on that ride... but was actually refering to non kb members who I ride with like almost every second day... theyre not even from here... but hey..

Biggles08

7th June 2007, 14:40

Hey ... Doesnt matter if sum people dont wait I know there will be people who will wait anyhow not all peeps here are muppets though there are a few as I have come to c... so if the rest dont want to wait doesnt bother me at all.. but u did wait, so cheers to u, also for the beer :yes: Also I dont think its v mature to analyse every single detail I say on here... a bit of exageration doesnt really matter (its an online forum for petes sake Il say what I like !!)... not everythin should be put under a microscope... im quite happy the way I ride... not saying that I couldnt do 260 and keep up but hey if I stay behind trust me it is by choice and a little bit of self restraint too ... I like my life and license and would like to live a nice and long one :) cheers for ur input anyhow brah... but sum peeps just comment on everthin n im starting not to even bother anymore lol. Peace Raj. Ride Safe n look forward to ridin with u again soon.

Can't say I disagree with any of what you say and no probs for the beer...although I thought it prudent to add my 2 cents worth as some of the 'others' that were riding that day commented to me about this thread and how you had said things that weren't exactly accurate.

By all means don't stop posting just be aware that others will read what you say and may or may not take it to heart... after all we are all just human :innocent:

look forward to our next excursion.

Cr1MiNaL

7th June 2007, 14:49

Can't say I disagree with any of what you say and no probs for the beer...although I thought it prudent to add my 2 cents worth as some of the 'others' that were riding that day commented to me about this thread and how you had said things that weren't exactly accurate.

By all means don't stop posting just be aware that others will read what you say and may or may not take it to heart... after all we are all just human :innocent:

look forward to our next excursion.

I didnt know we were only supposed to post 100% accurate facts up here or not at all... I dont go about browsing and quoting web sites mate u know... just not me... but anyhow like I said no doubt those riders were good and offered a few good tips too ... and ofcause all their input was duly accredited and appretiated truly was... but I wasnt referin to them?pm me hence forth coz this will be my last post on this particular thread. Cheers.

BIGBOSSMAN

7th June 2007, 14:58

I didnt know we were only supposed to post 100% accurate facts up here or not at all...

I've only ever been 75% accurate on this site. Well, 92% of the time anyways.......:first:

slinky

7th June 2007, 15:06

I've only ever been 75% accurate on this site. Well, 92% of the time anyways.......:first:

66% of statistics are incorrect.

Sanx

7th June 2007, 18:19

66% of statistics are incorrect.

Spike Milligan: 78.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

NhuanH

7th June 2007, 19:29

Hey ... Doesnt matter if sum people dont wait I know there will be people who will wait anyhow not all peeps here are muppets though there are a few as I have come to c... so if the rest dont want to wait doesnt bother me at all.. but u did wait, so cheers to u, also for the beer :yes: Also I dont think its v mature to analyse every single detail I say on here... a bit of exageration doesnt really matter (its an online forum for petes sake Il say what I like !!)... not everythin should be put under a microscope... im quite happy the way I ride... not saying that I couldnt do 260 and keep up but hey if I stay behind trust me it is by choice and a little bit of self restraint too ... I like my life and license and would like to live a nice and long one :) cheers for ur input anyhow brah... but sum peeps just comment on everthin n im starting not to even bother anymore lol. Peace Raj. Ride Safe n look forward to ridin with u again soon.

Ps: the litre bikes I was so referin to werent the guys I rode with on that ride... but was actually refering to non kb members who I ride with like almost every second day... theyre not even from here... but hey..
and in a not so distant corner of this world, a little Hitcher waits, and sheds a tear...:oi-grr:

- you hearda the "Enter" key, Brah?

2_SL0

7th June 2007, 20:05

YamahaR64Life, are you a twin??

McJim

7th June 2007, 20:43

What fun - Raj - don't be too offended mate - the post you took offence to was actually trying to be helpful.

there are a load of different ways to deal with cornering - go on the RRRS course and get your arse on a track day (then you'll meet the REAL fast boys - not just the 'Brisk' folks like Karma and Gremlin).

Apparently I have 53hp and I don't give a toss if that's at the back wheel or the crank - I'm not a good enough rider to have any more than that right now.

All the best until the next time we go for a ride and you have to wait for me to catch up dude.

:)