IOMTT 130 mph lap

[Bykmad]

John McGuiness has just logged a 130mph lap on the second lap of the Senior TT. Anstey has retired with handling problems.

[Bykmad]

Kiwi Paul Dobbs is currently in 26th place on the 3rd lap

[White trash]

Ummmm,I thought Dobbsy was a Pom, living in NZ now?

[merv]

Geepers almost 210 km/hr in our language.

[orangeback]

:yes: :scooter: :yes: :scooter: :gob:

[Bykmad]

Dobbsy up to 18th. He is a KIWI and proud of it.:scooter:

[steveyb]

This is what the TT represents to me.
Sorry all you glorifiers out there, but the sooner it stops the better.
And no, I am not a wowser. I have my share of high speed fun and games, just don't put myself in the cross hairs this way.

A tragedy for his family. A 34 yr old bloke, newcomer, running in 33rd place. Seemingly there just to give it a go and look what happens. This crash also claimed the lives of two spectators/marshalls.

Anyone that keen to go?

http://www.iomguide.com/races/tt/tt-news.php?story=944

Steve

[Eddieb]

Ummmm,I thought Dobbsy was a Pom, living in NZ now?

No Dobbsy is a Hamilton boy who moved to the UK in the mid-late 90's, part of the crew from the early 90's when RGV's etc where the latest greatest thing.

He has a devoted group of UK based Kiwi's mostly ex Hamilton, and a few brits who go over each year and pit for him. I've camped with his crew over there twice.

[BarBender]

John McGuiness has just logged a 130mph lap on the second lap of the Senior TT.

Amazing...:gob:

[bistard]

Great News!!
Shame to hear about Bruce retiring
And Steve,you are a "Wowser" But thats another story
haha

[onearmedbandit]

This is what the TT represents to me.
Sorry all you glorifiers out there, but the sooner it stops the better.
And no, I am not a wowser. I have my share of high speed fun and games, just don't put myself in the cross hairs this way.

A tragedy for his family. A 34 yr old bloke, newcomer, running in 33rd place. Seemingly there just to give it a go and look what happens. This crash also claimed the lives of two spectators/marshalls.

Anyone that keen to go?

http://www.iomguide.com/races/tt/tt-news.php?story=944

Steve

It's called freedom of choice Steve. You go to compete, you know the risks, you're of sound mind, it's a desire for you to to complete, where's the problem? Same for spectators in my opinion.

[Sanx]

This is what the TT represents to me.
Sorry all you glorifiers out there, but the sooner it stops the better.
And no, I am not a wowser. I have my share of high speed fun and games, just don't put myself in the cross hairs this way.

A tragedy for his family. A 34 yr old bloke, newcomer, running in 33rd place. Seemingly there just to give it a go and look what happens. This crash also claimed the lives of two spectators/marshalls.

You can get killed crossing the road. You can get killed falling down stairs. You can get killed choking on a peanut. You can get killed using a computer during a lightning storm. Luckily for you though, you can't get killed by making stunningly inane comments.

So, turn off the computer, wrap yourself up in cotton wool, don't eat any foods harder than a slice of cheese and make sure you stay well away from staircases. Yes, your life would staggeringly boring and tedious, but at least you'd have a nice long time to not enjoy it.

On the other hand, the rider killed was doing something he loved. Probably something that was a dream and an ambition. As for the marshals and spectators; it's unfortunate but it happens. There's an element of risk in many things we do, and marshaling bikes travelling at high speeds is something that's risky. No-one forced these people to be there - they did it because they wanted to.

[scott411]

It's called freedom of choice Steve. You go to compete, you know the risks, you're of sound mind, it's a desire for you to to complete, where's the problem? Same for spectators in my opinion.


agree 100%, i would never race their myself, but everyone knows the risk, the world is far to much into protecting people from themselves,

as for the spectators, motorracing is slightly dangerous to watch (even speedway is) this could happen at wanganui or pearoa as well, cars have gone over big fences in NZ lately to, (sprintcar in the south island and touring over the fence at pukekohe park,

its par for the course, if you do not want the risk, don;t go, leave the people that are man enough to accept the risk go and ride. long may the IOM continue

[Bykmad]

Steveyb.

Go back to bed and dont get out of it ever again. You might hurt yourself.

[dank]

This is what the TT represents to me.
Sorry all you glorifiers out there, but the sooner it stops the better.
And no, I am not a wowser.
http://www.iomguide.com/races/tt/tt-news.php?story=944

Steve

Not a wowser? maybe just a wet blanket then.

Death is a tradgedy in any circumstance and Im sorry to hear of the deaths at the event, but theyre accidents. Ban murder and war not passion.

[Bykmad]

Death is a tradgedy in any circumstance and Im sorry to hear of the deaths at the event, but theyre accidents. Ban murder and war not passion.


Well said Dank

[F5 Dave]

For those that don't know Steve he has been involved in racing for sodin ages both on RS125 & 250 & behind the scenes. When a racer says it is too dangerous I give it more credence than a spectator or random computer user. Wrapped in cotton wool is not Steve.

I don't buy the "throttle works both ways" argument, it's not the speed as much as the incidences that happen at racing speeds. I've raced at road ccts where people complained about the lack of run off & done very well, but you just can't think about it. Never really looked at worst area until years later. Had my worst racing accident 20 meters from the worst danger area.

But the IOM has claimed not just newbies but it bites multiple TT winners/contenders , Dave Jefferies, Robert Holden ring just two of dozens. I remember Blair Deglahom (spelling sorry) telling me the first time he went someone fell off in front of him into a stone wall removing an arm later dead.

Are we really this short of racetracks? This is why Kenny Roberts etc campaigned to take it off the GP cct as too many good people were getting killed. No one could call him soft.

[Kickaha]

Are we really this short of racetracks? This is why Kenny Roberts etc campaigned to take it off the GP cct as too many good people were getting killed. No one could call him soft.

Is that also why the NZ street circuits were taken out of National points in NZ?

Oi doctor can you check this for me:shake:

[F5 Dave]

Didn't know IOM was on NZ national points series:innocent:

[onearmedbandit]

Surely if some want to make the decision for themselves they are fully entitled to?

[Kickaha]

Didn't know IOM was on NZ national points series:innocent:

Never said it was, check my post:innocent:

[Bykmad]

NZ Steet circuits were taken out of the NZ Championships because it is too expensive to run the meets over two days, and unfair to expect riders to race for a New Zealand Championship with 20 minutes practice, the first 10 minute session being solely a "Where are the Bumps session". The second 10 minutes was used to sort the jetting, tyre pressures, suspension and chassis. What a doddle.
Besides, no-one in their right mind can compare 1 day street circuits in NZ with the Isle of Man TT. Sum it up in two sentences. Practice week. Race week. Thats seven days per.

Face it People. Some love the Island, me amongst them, some hate it. Shit,
thats life. I know that Robert Holden, Stuie Murdoch and Shaun absolutely love/loved the place. They wouldnt go back if they didnt!
Having been to the TT many years ago, I can see why. It is a special place.
If it's not your cup of tea, fine, but dont deprive the rest of us, of our cup of tea. The place is dangerous, but having been around it on a bike, shit it's good. The memories are vivid, and it is 20 years since I was there.
Long Live the TT. If you want to save lives. work on World peace and stop terrorism!

[oyster]

Stevey B expressed his opinion. Nothing the matter with that. Some of the responses are disgusting. Sarcastic insults have no place here.
IOM is rather special in that it will always have huge risk. But in general huge improvements to motorsport safety have been made over the last few decades, and we should be really grateful for this. If you saw the huge F1 crash on TV last night you might ponder the consequences of this with the safety technology of 20 or even 10 years ago. And how were these advances made? Sadly, it was mostly a result of the advocacy of the competitors, just like Stevey B today. Good on ya Stevey, I look forward to you comments on some of our New Zealand circuits and their totally unacceptable risks. It couls save a life.

[F5 Dave]

Fair call, probably bet this topic to death, but don't sweat over Kick & I bouncing off each other, that's just for sport.

[aff-man]

some people base jump, some do freefall climbing, some do the isle of man.

It just seems more dangerous because it's far more of a spectator sport than the other dangerous sports out there.

But back on track 130mph lap is fecking fast.....

[Maha]

A tragedy for his family. A 34 yr old bloke, newcomer, running in 33rd place. Seemingly there just to give it a go and look what happens. This crash also claimed the lives of two spectators/marshalls.

Anyone that keen to go?

Steve

Barry Sheene never raced there because of the 'risk'...he was big on safety and although putting himself in face of 'fuck knows what' everytime he raced...the IOM just didnt do it for him...his choice. Its my chioce (as a spectator) to stand as close as i can to the action at Paeroa and i love it, those bikes come so close along the back straight, im talking two feet, and it wouldn't take much for something horrendous to happen, you just dont think of that at the time cos these guys know what they are doing right?... one would hope.

[steveyb]

Well, clearly touched on a subject here. I am strong enough to take criticism and do love a good argument. Yes, OK m'bistard, I am a wowser, but takes one to know one clearly, hahahahaha ;-)

With regard to IOM, I am well aware of the freedom to choose, the throttle works both ways, and the bike has a brake arguments. I have done my share of NZ street racing, Paeroa x2 and Wanagnui x2 (admitedly once was on a KR150, embarassing yes, fun, yes!). BUT, how many of you correspondents on here are only spectators and have not actually put yourselves into the firing line? When you are sliding on your arse at 180 km/h down the mainstreet of Paeroa towards the powerpoles and bales you wonder pretty quick what the f... are you doing here (yes that was me, in 1990 (91?) after having my front wheel taken out at the kink, and yes it was, it is on video!!). Luckily thanks to the forsight and innovation of AMCC I suffered no more than a minor back injury.
So that is my story. But I ask you to consider this.
What would this thread be reporting if Shaun had not come through that crash? I know, it is his choice and he would be the first to say 'Screw it, that is my bag and I'm sticking to it'. But is there an argument to be made here that many of the respondants here are actually waiting for those crashes?
My old mate Loren Poole nearly had one of those at the IOM TT.

I used to race with Loren and Blair Degerholm and when Loren says 'Fuck that!!!' and Bob Haldane says, 'If you keep going back, it will get you! then where is the sense? Really, where is it? I also knew the young Scottish guy Andy that came out here a few years ago to race in Superbike and was then killed roadracing over there. When you know them and they are not just annonymous names and faces then you wonder about the futility of it.

What is wrong with circuit racing? Is that not exciting enough for you? Watch the last two MotoGP 125 races and tell me that is not special.

And by the way, I am the first to support freedom of choice, but having an event where 2.3 people are killed every year seems to me to be a bit ghoulish.

See you at Manfeild (Minefeild??)

Steve

[onearmedbandit]

To me it is the principle of banning something because of the risk involved. Not the actual event.

[dank]

My point was that I worry one day someone will ban something Im passionate about and it scares me. Probably should have written that rather than call steveb wet and not put a smiley up :innocent:

bloody newbies.

[scott411]

Steve, i have big problems with people who do not want to ride somewhere banning other people that do, I tlaked to Russell Josiah about the isle of man and he went once and did not want to go back, his choice, Barry Sheene made his choice as well, let people make thier choice, if no one wanted ot ride it, the race would die,

as for street races in NZ, i raced them for the 1st time this year, year it is scary running down the front straight of pearoa so close to those water barriers, its a hell of a lot of fun to, if you do not want to race them fine, but don;t stop me, ill be back, I went to see Jared Love in hospital with two broken ankles as well, i bet hes back next year as well

i agree with them not being in the NZ road race titles, and i support riders who do not want to ride them, let them have thier choice, let me have mine to

[Cleve]

I am a great supporter of personal choice and in fact LOATHE this nanny state we are in, but I think there needs to be a bit of thought about how much personal choice some racers actually have about doing street races. There are a lot of spectators, TV audiences and sponsors etc at Paeroa, Wanganui and IOM etc. A young rider or any up and coming rider wanting to get noticed or keep any sponsor that he can get happy by getting TV coverage for them may not have that much "choice" about doing those events.

[BarryG]

Steve, I have to wonder at your reference ' - But is there an argument to be made here that many of the respondants here are actually waiting for those crashes?'.
Do you yourself think that, or did you just put it out there for discussion? I honestly doubt many of us go to races for the accidents. There may be an element of Joe Public who does, but really, that would be a pretty sick reason for watching something that could be dangerous, I think. Personally, I go because I've always had a passion for motorsports, bikes in particular, I know what it takes to do it, and in my dotage (and restricting myself to track days) I still admire greatly the skills shown on a racetrack and still love to watch those skills on display.
I hope you're wrong, that's all.

Cheers
Barry

PS I would love to do an IOMTT trip soon - before the races go away, or are taken away by the do-gooders.

[scott411]

A young rider or any up and coming rider wanting to get noticed or keep any sponsor that he can get happy by getting TV coverage for them may not have that much "choice" about doing those events.

a bit of truth to this in some respects, however some young riders have stayed away and did not seem to hurt them, Sam Smith only raced the streets for the 1st time this year and then sat out pearoa, i think if these events died then a lot of the sponsorshiop would to, thier are not 10000 people to race infront of at any of the natioanl rounds

[steveyb]

Steve, i have big problems with people who do not want to ride somewhere banning other people that do, I tlaked to Russell Josiah about the isle of man and he went once and did not want to go back, his choice, Barry Sheene made his choice as well, let people make thier choice, if no one wanted ot ride it, the race would die,

as for street races in NZ, i raced them for the 1st time this year, year it is scary running down the front straight of pearoa so close to those water barriers, its a hell of a lot of fun to, if you do not want to race them fine, but don;t stop me, ill be back, I went to see Jared Love in hospital with two broken ankles as well, i bet hes back next year as well

i agree with them not being in the NZ road race titles, and i support riders who do not want to ride them, let them have thier choice, let me have mine to

Indeed, I fully support that argument, that everyone should have a choice and be able to take advantage of those choices, such is the nature of a free society. I would however say that sooner or later one of those that get badly hurt or worse will be your mate. You will very likely change your mind at that point.

One of the best quotations I have seen is on the Korea War Memorial in Washington DC (sure it can be attributed to someone): "Freedom is not Free"

Don't get me wrong, I guess I don't want anyone to ban such things out of hand, (which is what it sounded like I was advocating I guess) and if the price to pay for such a 'spectacle' (ch'e spetacolo) is that some people are killed doing what they want, then who am I to say no you can't do it. But I ask, is the price too high? Is it really so worth it?

My opinion is that it is not.

Cheers all, said enough now.

Steve