Trademe listing to be aware of

[Monkeyboy]

Hello all, if you go to this link

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=102594831

you will see a 2005 GSXR-750 for sale in Christchurch. The seller claims it has had a minor fall and he/she is selling it because they are moving and has no time to ride it.

This bike was owned by a friend of mine who crashed recently. It suffered a large amount of damage and while the new owner has done it up, quite well in fact, I think prosepective buyers should be aware of it's history. No way is it worth the money he is asking.

I have complained to Trademe but to date have had no reply. I personally would be quite brassed off to have paid 12 k for a bike only see find out that it had a major crash. My friend suffered a broken leg and vertebrae and is on the mend.

[N4CR]

dropped can mean alot of things. dropped doing a wheelie etc etc... they don't specifically state while stationary. a crashed bike isn't always dodgy and unrideable. most bikes you see have been 'dropped' at some stage, and trust me you hardly ever know (thanks to reflections and the like..). i've restored a written off 06 zx10 which had alot of broken stuff on it and it was great/fine, just need to replace the parts and check the rest and it's sweet. if i a bike is written off for frame damage it'll come up in a vin check and it will also need frame cert to be re-vinned. to a buyer i'd check it out yourself before buying the bike and get someone who has personally worked on them before. to look at it

[Headbanger]

I'm lovin the look of that bike, if i was in the market I would definitely take the time to look at it, Though its a bit of a leap for anyone to buy a bike unseen.

[Monkeyboy]

N4CR, agree with everything you have said, but I was there when he crashed and the bike hit a bank and bounced off, I have pictures of it I can email to you for your interest, as I say I'd want to know myself.

[Mr. Peanut]

Never assume anything. Buy at your own risk.

It's worth the risk because it means I don't have to crawl through beauocracy every time I want to sell my bike.

[kickingzebra]

Sweet deal. Crash damage means bugger all, it has new radiator by the looks, so better than a 2 year old one.11500 ono means 11000 in my books, so fair enough price!

[cowpoos]

Hello all, if you go to this link

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=102594831

you will see a 2005 GSXR-750 for sale in Christchurch. The seller claims it has had a minor fall and he/she is selling it because they are moving and has no time to ride it.

This bike was owned by a friend of mine who crashed recently. It suffered a large amount of damage and while the new owner has done it up, quite well in fact, I think prosepective buyers should be aware of it's history. No way is it worth the money he is asking.

I have complained to Trademe but to date have had no reply. I personally would be quite brassed off to have paid 12 k for a bike only see find out that it had a major crash. My friend suffered a broken leg and vertebrae and is on the mend.
who gives a flying fuck if its crashed!!! its a fucking bargin!! it looks mint!! it obviously was repaired well...it probally wouldn't have been re rege'd had it not been repair 100%........so what is your problem with it?? it still will be a awesome bike!! handle the same?? or what?? I just think your whinging for the sake of whinging??

[Smokin]

Looks like it was repaired to a high standard but if I was in the market for one I would be most greatfull for the heads up. On ya :rockon:

[orangeback]

knowing the guy that crashed it (AL) i tock him down to buy it and seeing it after his crash and before, the guy must have spent the money on it as it needed a rear sub, and tail section, muffler, rh side pannel that seames to be painted ,but looks better that i expected , yes he's going to make a few bucks but thats Ecomonics "would do it for nothing" it was a good one it ran the fastet time at flying 1/4 mile b4 xmas in south canterbury , they are good bikes as i had an xk5 750 b4 the ZX10

[kneescraper]

I once got told "never put down someone thats trying to help". I think its great that he has told people this, least he is one of the 2% of the honest kiwis in NZ.


I just think your whinging for the sake of whinging

I bet you would be whinging if you spent your hard earnt cash on a bike, to later find out that it has had a damaged history..that you didnt know about.

Top marks mate, good on you for helping us bikers out....keep the biker circle going.

[Monkeyboy]

who gives a flying fuck if its crashed!!! its a fucking bargin!! it looks mint!! it obviously was repaired well...it probally wouldn't have been re rege'd had it not been repair 100%........so what is your problem with it?? it still will be a awesome bike!! handle the same?? or what?? I just think your whinging for the sake of whinging??


I don't have a problem with it because I'm not going to buy it. If you think it's so great and "it's a fucking bargain" why don't you buy it then?

All I'm doing is giving the fraternity a heads up. I'm not whinging for the sake of whinging either, if it's not a problem why has the seller at Trademe not disclosed it's real history? Minor drop? haven't got time to ride it? what a load of shite!

[kensuem]

I think you did the right thing by warning other bikers,if the bike is so good why did the seller have to lie about the circumstances?

[BigRed2007]

why not say

tell us the real reason how it got dropped?

[Tim 39]

I once looked at a suzuki bandit 250 for a mate and he was going to buy it, but when I rode it, it felt as though it just didnt want to turn at all. I said to him that it had been crashed so he asked them about it...and then the truth came out and they said yes it had been written off and "fixed up" to me it felt like a bent steering head (wrong angle) and it still passed re-vinning ok

[surfchick]

i reckon its a sound original post- i'd like to know if any bike i was considering was busted badly before the repair.. not so much for myself if i was satisfied it rode well-but for the resale

good on you for posting mate - i think the trade me ad's a wee bit lacklustre about the real reason for the restoration and nu stickers :devil2: a bit fudgy dodgey you might say ... ;)

[orangeback]

I don't have a problem with it because I'm not going to buy it. If you think it's so great and "it's a fucking bargain" why don't you buy it then?

All I'm doing is giving the fraternity a heads up. I'm not whinging for the sake of whinging either, if it's not a problem why has the seller at Trademe not disclosed it's real history? Minor drop? haven't got time to ride it? what a load of shite!

i agree that it just a money making venture, as it was up for sale with out pict s just after one week , and it's a little rich at $11500 , i was at turners and was thinking of buying it my self , alway good to know the history of any bike (thumbs up ) but 60 % of bikes have bean droped, i recon. and they wright them of with so little damage these days, cos parts are so expensive and the bike shops dont want to do repair work that sits in there wrkshop for 6-8 week, they rather have quick turn around work , look how long it tock to do your mates zx10 i did the same damage to mine and had the parts out of the states in less than 10 day and did it myself

[cowpoos]

I once got told "never put down someone thats trying to help". I think its great that he has told people this, least he is one of the 2% of the honest kiwis in NZ.



I bet you would be whinging if you spent your hard earnt cash on a bike, to later find out that it has had a damaged history..that you didnt know about.

Top marks mate, good on you for helping us bikers out....keep the biker circle going.
yes...my bike has been crashed before I owned it...it also competed in two national superbike championships...before I owned it...does it really mater at all...nope...and the previous owners were completely honest about it!!

And....I would really like to know why it would matter??? wtf does it matter if a bikes ben down the road?? if its in mint condition now??? huh?? same with all these nay say-ers who rant on about buying ex-race bikes...ex-race bikes are more often in better condition mechanically than the one joe blogs owned from new and rides...

[cowpoos]

I don't have a problem with it because I'm not going to buy it. If you think it's so great and "it's a fucking bargain" why don't you buy it then?

I have one




All I'm doing is giving the fraternity a heads up. I'm not whinging for the sake of whinging either, if it's not a problem why has the seller at Trademe not disclosed it's real history? Minor drop? haven't got time to ride it? what a load of shite!

so the guys going to make a buck from fixing it up and selling it...so what?
its still a cheap modern sportsbike!!

[SHELRACING]

It seems that every rider has their own personal preference as to whether they will buy a crashed bike, or a bike unseen.
I agree that people should be honest about these things but a lot on trademe are not. You only have to read their feedback.

Anyone who is not aware of any problems a bike has after a crash, needs a site like this to help them.

Thank you for letting others know. :rockon:
Now they can make informed decisions, ask questions and get someone to check the bike over thoroughly.

[kneescraper]

I guess it comes down to how you feel when riding it. A race bike is different in MY view. Its been thrashed, thats it desternation in life...however when buying a road bike I want to bike a "pure" bike, one that has had a good life...thats been mint since factory, well looked after. Thats what I want from a bike....some people dont.

Each to their own!

[Cr1MiNaL]

I wouldnt touch it.. doin 200 plus and at the bak of my mind knowing that it hadnt been put bak by the factory is not v comforting for me. but ur opinions may differ.. I think if it was crached "minor damage" does not sum it up adequately. hes a lyin fart n needs his head straightned. thought if ur a gixxer fan i guess ud buy it, but not me no surrie.

[-df-]

so the guys going to make a buck from fixing it up and selling it...so what? its still a cheap modern sportsbike!!

Nothing wrong with making a buck...but lying about it is another story. All he was saying is that it has been damaged more then what the owner has stated.

I've owned a damaged bike, nothing wrong with them if done right...but I would be pissed if I'd bought it and then found out it had been damaged and the prev owner had lied about it.

[Paulus]

And....I would really like to know why it would matter??? wtf does it matter if a bikes ben down the road?? if its in mint condition now??? huh?? same with all these nay say-ers who rant on about buying ex-race bikes...ex-race bikes are more often in better condition mechanically than the one joe blogs owned from new and rides...

I once bought a Fireblade once that had been once down the road as you say. Repaired to excellent condition apparently. Unfortunately the impact had cracked the engine casing all through the oil feed to the main bearings and the motor was effectively fucked (new engine cases were $5500 plus bearings and rings). You got a good one - I didn't. Be very wary.

I also saw that bike right after the crash and it was well fucked. Seeing how fragile modern gixxer frames seem to be I'd give it a wide berth.

[NinjaBoy]

Unless the Trademe description has changed significantly since the first post, the seller seems to be reasonable open. He says its been dropped and re-reg'd recently - this points to a write-off. He lists all the parts replaced and has offered to show the broken bits to the prospective buyer.

This is a late model 750cc sportsbike, so your prospective buyer is unlikely to be a first time biker... anyone serious about spending this amount of money is going to be cautious... may even get it professionally checked.

As with any sale you need a balance of positive spin mixed with some facts, but as always - Buyer Beware

[Paulus]

Unless the Trademe description has changed significantly since the first post, the seller seems to be reasonable open. He says its been dropped and re-reg'd recently - this points to a write-off. He lists all the parts replaced and has offered to show the broken bits to the prospective buyer.

This is a late model 750cc sportsbike, so your prospective buyer is unlikely to be a first time biker... anyone serious about spending this amount of money is going to be cautious... may even get it professionally checked.

As with any sale you need a balance of positive spin mixed with some facts, but as always - Buyer Beware


Yep description has changed quite a bit since his earlier listing. It still makes light of a very serious impact though. Minor damage? He must be joking.

[mynameis]

You'd wonder how and why the description has changed aye?

Well after I read this thread and saw people attacking him, I thought I'd email to check his integrity and honesty. Well nothing surprising if someone has to be honest and open about anything they will be in the first instance, clearly not the case.

He did not really answer my question but sent a smarty reply "it can be dropped in many ways" what I think he meant was it could have been a 150 km/hr wheelie crash or a stand still drop from the stand but clearly did not state anything constructive like the extent of the damage and what repairs he carried out or how the accident happened.

So I e mailed back and told him that there was info about the bike and it's history on a popular forum with a large audience and the chances of his next buyer being a member from here was high. Also asking him to be a bit honest about the whole thing that's all, at first he was a bit aggressive than mellowed down very quickly, wonder why.

Next e mail I get from him is with specific details and Trade Me listing description changed, wonder how many others had a go at him. I just don't like the fact he's playing smart but is being silly in reality and not being open and honest about it.

If he makes a buck or two good for him but at least be honest about it as the buyer would probably want to know about it's history because not everyone would want a crashed repaired bike at a cheap price but it suits others.

Whatever happened to the good old kiwi days of honesty is the best policy and a bottle of milk dropped outside your doorstep with an honesty jar nearby hmm?

[wrxchic]

hi to all im new to this but there seems to be a problem with the bike im selling on trademe so thought id set you all straight as i have changed the wording on trademe due to emails asking what was repaired and have listed all that was done ,anyone who is interested is more than welcome to view or give me a call as to the email i sent back to the guy that has said i did not explain things to him eg im guessing its MYNAMEIS well the email he sent me read A CRASHED BIKE AND YOUR LYING ON TRADEME and if anyone else that was listing your bike and you were sent that, how would you respond as a fact im not lying as ive listed it as being dropped and rereged there was no major damage other than a simple unboltable subframe ive seen these brake when people have done wheelies and dropped it thanks for your time im not here to complain just to set people straight genuine people please phone

[mynameis]

Mate there's always 3 sides of a story my side your side and the truth. No point getting into a handbag fight of he said, she said. The fact of the matter is the initial description you had on TradeMe was to some extent flawed and misleading to any potential buyer in my opinion, as in the opinion of many others on here. You can read through all the responses in this thread, it's pretty evident.

But on the positive side glad to see you have changed that and provided more detailed information for your potential buyer, who now would be in a good position to make a buy decision. All the best with the sale and I hope you get your asking price and more importantly welcome to the site. Probably not the best introduction but you will for surely enjoy this place.

You might also want to run your TradeMe description through a spell checker :)

[wrxchic]

hi if it was so badly damaged as most put it then why were there so many people bidding on it and its gone through complaince with out any problems the main damage was the seat subframe which unbolts easy its good that there are people pointing out that its been a damaged bike but if you were to read the add before and after i updated it then you will notice that i say its been rereged due to being dropped and anyone that has had a genuine interest and have asked qs i have answered them to what they ask for even a couple of people looked at the bike before it was repaired so you know what it was like i have full photos of the bike in damaged state for people to view but if your only going to make comments then please dont waste my time thanks for extra advertising as bring up my bike also

[imdying]

So who had pics again?

[wrxchic]

hi im the owner of this bike ive got some pics of it damaged if you would like to see them was trying to upload a pic to my profile so everyone can see it if your genuine about buying it send me an email through the auction and ill send them if not check the profile later and ill try to upload thanks

[wrxchic]

ive uploaded a pic to my profile for everyone to look at still cant see the major damage that people are going on about or maybe they were the bidders that i out bid on this , who would ever know, but hay each to their own its their right to comment but get the facts first pics show it all

[imdying]

I have pictures of it I can email to you for your interest, as I say I'd want to know myself.Your pics much the same? Doesn't look too bad in the pic the owner has posted.. sure it's the same bike? Post em up so people can be sure of that at least... I gotta say, from all the fuss, I was expecting a whole heap more of a wreck than that.

[Patrick]

Hey WRXCHICK... your full stop and Capitals buttons aren't working.... Welcome to KB!!

[wrxchic]

hi to all i have the recept from turners to prove this bike is the same one, i put the pic in my profile so people are not put off it. As you can see there was only minor NOT major damage as most say ,anyone is welcome to view but please go through trademe to contact me .The bike was measured by Dave Bunn who contracts works for DR Panelbeaters in chch and if there was damage to frame which there was not,then it would say so on the cert report which buyers can look at. Im only saying this as there seams to some confusion as what other members have said but if you get the facts first then you would know the damaged condition. Will be updating pic this weekend as i have the suzuki sticker for it now ,but it must sell due to moving and bussiness work

[Str8 Jacket]

Thanks monkeyboy. I have been a victim of "dishonesty" when purchasing a bike and it sux big time! I wish everyone would be straight up when selling. Though I have to agree that the bike is probably worth the asking price, I also reckon that if he was honest about the accident that he would still be able to sell it at that price too.

[Paulus]

hi to all i have the recept from turners to prove this bike is the same one, i put the pic in my profile so people are not put off it. As you can see there was only minor NOT major damage as most say ,anyone is welcome to view but please go through trademe to contact me .The bike was measured by Dave Bunn who contracts works for DR Panelbeaters in chch and if there was damage to frame which there was not,then it would say so on the cert report which buyers can look at. Im only saying this as there seams to some confusion as what other members have said but if you get the facts first then you would know the damaged condition. Will be updating pic this weekend as i have the suzuki sticker for it now ,but it must sell due to moving and bussiness work

What about the engine case which was worn through dumping all the oil on the road? The stain is still there on the road. Did you see the size of the hole it dug in the bank before it bounced back out into the road and slid along on its side? Scary. How hard an impact did the frame actually take? What stresses were applied to it? Who knows but it hit damned hard.

[terbang]

Bikes that have been severely crashed can have a multitude of hidden defects kike hairline cracks in it's main structure, twists and tweaks to the geometry and perhaps a few chipped bearing races. Buyer beware.

[Paul in NZ]

Bikes that have been severely crashed can have a multitude of hidden defects kike hairline cracks in it's main structure, twists and tweaks to the geometry and perhaps a few chipped bearing races. Buyer beware.

Well thats true but then similar things can happen to bikes that are wheelied or jumped over gutters as well not to mention bikes than never get their oil changed etc. Its a case of buyer beware and doing your own research.

Buying something? You can't trust anyone (except me of course - ole' honest Paul)

[wrxchic]

well thanks for all the comments it all comes down to the buyer as its been repaired now and runs fine there was enough oil in the motor to make the oil light go out so cant be too bad then. so i would prefere no more nit picking and genuine interested parties to contact me good to know the history but already knew most of it thanks ,cant have hit it that hard as there was only the two fearings repaired and other parts that ive said pic in profile show the bike as damaged cond so please ph me if you have any comments rather than filling up pages of the same comments

[Paul in NZ]

Well good luck with the sale! Looks a nice bike now and good onya for fronting up about it eh!

However this thread will weave on, people will comment, nit pick and generally trash talk because it's the internet and KB and, thats what happens here! (sorry)

Cheers

[Monkeyboy]

WRXCHIC I see that either you or a friend of yours called "starletboy1" wanted to try on some leathers I had for sale on Trademe. Clearly in an attempt to get hold of me obviously, because I have told members on this site about the history of the bike you are trying to sell.

It wasn't hard to work out. The photo on starletboy1's Trademe profile was taken on the same driveway that the GSXR750's photo's were taken on, you can even see your neighbours house in the background in both photos. Also, "starletboy1" is advertising that he wants to buy a tail taidy for a GSXR750. Needless to say I have withdrawn my listing for the leathers. And a subsequent complaint has been made to Trademe for your information. Your attempt to either speak to or visit me is borderline harassment/intimidation, since I have both of your phone numbers I'm sure the boys in blue could find you should you say or do anything you might regret.

I have no problems with a crashed bike that has been repaired. I bought such a bike (CBX550F2 Integra) about 20 years ago, thing was I knew it had been crashed and the extent of the crash. You have obviously done a good job on the GSXR It looks as good as the day I last saw it (before the crash that is) I just think people should know a vehicles history.

[Str8 Jacket]

WRXCHIC I see that either you or a friend of yours called "starletboy1" wanted to try on some leathers I had for sale on Trademe. Clearly in an attempt to get hold of me obviously, because I have told members on this site about the history of the bike you are trying to sell.

It wasn't hard to work out. The photo on starletboy1's Trademe profile was taken on the same driveway that the GSXR750's photo's were taken on, you can even see your neighbours house in the background in both photos. Also, "starletboy1" is advertising that he wants to buy a tail taidy for a GSXR750. Needless to say I have withdrawn my listing for the leathers. And a subsequent complaint has been made to Trademe for your information. Your attempt to either speak to or visit me is borderline harassment/intimidation, since I have both of your phone numbers I'm sure the boys in blue could find you should you say or do anything you might regret.

I have no problems with a crashed bike that has been repaired. I bought such a bike (CBX550F2 Integra) about 20 years ago, thing was I knew it had been crashed and the extent of the crash. You have obviously done a good job on the GSXR It looks as good as the day I last saw it (before the crash that is) I just think people should know a vehicles history.

DUDE!! Chill out!

[Monkeyboy]

DUDE!! Chill out!

Chill out? You must be joking!, WRXCHIC/starletboy1 or whoever the fuck he is poses as a legitimte buyer on Trademe who "wants to try on my leathers"??? Get real!

[Str8 Jacket]

Chill out? You must be joking!, WRXCHIC/starletboy1 or whoever the fuck he is poses as a legitimte buyer on Trademe who "wants to try on my leathers"??? Get real!

All due respect but... its just that to me you seem to be on your own personal crusade. They have done nothing to you and you were not ever going to buy it. I respect that you thought you were doing the right thing but this person has now attempted to do the right thing. I thing that you should just let it rest.

[Monkeyboy]

All due respect but... its just that to me you seem to be on your own personal crusade. They have done nothing to you and you were not ever going to buy it. I respect that you thought you were doing the right thing but this person has now attempted to do the right thing. I thing that you should just let it rest.

Nothing I'd like more than to let it rest, all it was, was a heads up. I ride with Paulus and I'm quite glad he brought up the Fireblade he used to own, imagine if that hapened to you? That was half the reason I posted this thread, I'd rather talk shit about bikes frankly!!:Punk:

Over and out!

[wrxchic]

Hey all, I am starletboy1's partner and he is genuinely interested in the Leathers as has been offered a trade for the bike and doesnt have any currently and i am forcing him to at least be safe if he must insist on owning a bike. He was also keen to find out abit more about the history as from the beginning he has insisted on giving as much information on the bike as possible to anyone with legit enquires. The bike is only listed under my name as i wanted to increase my seller feedback and also since im the one making him sell it for some at least cheaper and less powerful. If you dont want to sell the leathers thats fine a reply back along those lines would have sufficed. Does anyone else have leathers for sale? Looking for a set of 2 piece leathers in good condition to fit 6'1, 100kg or there abouts. Will pay up to 600ish for a suitable set. Cheers

[imdying]

Sounds like a similar build to me, maybe a little rounder... keep your eyes peeled in the online trading section, took about 2 months before I came across a set here in chch, so didn't take too long :)

[Paul in NZ]

Does anyone else have leathers for sale? Looking for a set of 2 piece leathers in good condition to fit 6'1, 100kg or there abouts. Will pay up to 600ish for a suitable set. Cheers

Get ahold of Brett at QuasiMoto - he will sort you out with good gear, is a KB'r of repute and a decent chap as well...

Link is

http://www.quasimoto.co.nz/store/

He will come close to that price brand new!!!!

Cheers

[Monkeyboy]

Hey all, I am starletboy1's partner and he is genuinely interested in the Leathers as has been offered a trade for the bike and doesnt have any currently and i am forcing him to at least be safe if he must insist on owning a bike. He was also keen to find out abit more about the history as from the beginning he has insisted on giving as much information on the bike as possible to anyone with legit enquires. The bike is only listed under my name as i wanted to increase my seller feedback and also since im the one making him sell it for some at least cheaper and less powerful. If you dont want to sell the leathers thats fine a reply back along those lines would have sufficed. Does anyone else have leathers for sale? Looking for a set of 2 piece leathers in good condition to fit 6'1, 100kg or there abouts. Will pay up to 600ish for a suitable set. Cheers

What an amazing coincidence!

[cowpoos]

Seeing how fragile modern gixxer frames seem to be I'd give it a wide berth.

nah...I think you might have things a bit wrong dude...modern gixxer frames seem bloody strong...they can take a hell of a hiding...there will be exceptions to this of course...

[Paulus]

nah...I think you might have things a bit wrong dude...modern gixxer frames seem bloody strong...they can take a hell of a hiding...there will be exceptions to this of course...

Really? I know several materials scientists who would disagree with this quite strongly. Poor casting quality and poor quality welds were definitely mentioned. YMMV I guess.

[cowpoos]

Really? I know several materials scientists who would disagree with this quite strongly. Poor casting quality and poor quality welds were definitely mentioned. YMMV I guess.
care to scan and post these presumably published finding's from these presumablly reputable scientists?? its strange how the japenesse are known as world leaders in casting alloys and welding them...have extremly high levels of quality control...spend millions and million on R&D for their products...have next to no failures...

and yet your mates who must be world leading material scientists reckon they're shit...I think your talking through a hole in your arse...good one mate!

[Paul in NZ]

Really? I know several materials scientists who would disagree with this quite strongly. .

Thats the trouble with scientists - you can always find one to counter the others. Personally i think they do that intentionally....... :innocent:

[bbbimportsparts]

well cowpoos the fact that you bought the bike from turners, didnt know the owner or where it was crashed or how bad it was, guess you do now aye, I too knew the bike and the damage it had recieved, as long as it had been fixed properly whats the deal, anyway I'd keep it and come and play in the traffic

[cowpoos]

well cowpoos the fact that you bought the bike from turners, didnt know the owner or where it was crashed or how bad it was, guess you do now aye, I too knew the bike and the damage it had recieved, as long as it had been fixed properly whats the deal, anyway I'd keep it and come and play in the traffic
what the fuck are you talking about?? I didn't buy this bike...I've never ridden or seen this bike??

I guess you could probally go to eric zoolanders school for kids that don't read good huh? lol [*jk]

[yod]

gotta love a kb thread.....:laugh: there's a bit of something in there for everyone :laugh:

[Blackflagged]

Going round in circles,here i know but-A motorcycle is not a car,every piece can be replaced.Including the Main frame,you can measure a frames angles,even build your own(Wonder how long that freedom will last).So if repaired correctly,you may be able to,even improve on factory tolerances.
Looking at it from the seller point of view,does anyone have any facts ,that theres a problem with the bike?Was he a Hippy?Been crashed get it checked.

[Paulus]

and yet your mates who must be world leading material scientists reckon they're shit...I think your talking through a hole in your arse...good one mate!

Yep you got me. You're right as always.

[N4CR]

really? i know several materials scientists who would disagree with this quite strongly. poor casting quality and poor quality welds were definitely mentioned. ymmv i guess.

most modern bike frames are reasonably fine for what they are designed for. sideways or top down impact and... damn.. they don't take it at all as they are not designed for it. repeated wheelies will hairline crack a lot of frames, zx10r 06's have that problem around the headstock mounts same with various other bikes. very hard to see also. you have to be a bit of a ****headed wheelie'r to do that though.... *bwaa-bwaaarrrrrrr clunk* down onto the road... not designed for it.

i have some some 'interesting' zookie frame breaks in the past though. dover knows a bit about this afaik as he's an engineer or something like that.

[90s]

Entertaining thread - as yod said something for everypone: a bit of espionage, a few twists and turns, new characters (the mysterious starletboy) who may or may not be a) a false identity b) an innocent party c) a deluded party d) a same sex partner. We have hig-speed crashes, reported threats of intimidation, red herrings, and interesting side-plots. Even better YOU TOO can join the ongoing sage. Its better than second life.

Hollywood can approach me for the film rights.

However, I would be grateful for future heads-up on any bike histories advertised anywhere. We can take it with a pinch of salt or ignore it but if buyer beware then I'd like to know. What's the harm?

[imdying]

most modern bike frames are reasonably fine for what they are designed for. sideways or top down impact and... damn.. they don't take it at all as they are not designed for it.Got some bling for you later... That is pretty much the crux of it. Used as designed, they'll take everything you've got. Crashing into banks or whatever... not so much.

I've seen two pictures of GSXR frames that've snapped at the headstock. I reputedly 'just snapped', but later came out to be accident damage, the other, well that was reputedly too many wheelies, no mention of being random.

Having said that, TLS frames would occasionally crack due to bad design. Of course, we have FMA for peanuts these days, I would be surprised to see a top of the range model suffer from that fault without it being quite common.

I still haven't seen any pics of this bike with broken cases or anything but minor damage, so without some sort of evidence, probably best to leave it there.

[kickingzebra]

paranoid schizophrenia is always a good thing to have on ones CV monkeyboy. Get off the internet this moment, and make yourself a tin foil hat, cause those damn sattelites will be zooming in on you any minute now.

Regarding crashed bikes. I would agree, the weakest frame I can think of at the moment would be the k6 suzukis. And I have one. it has been crashed twice. at track speeds. and still runs straight and true right up to redline in 6th.
You can break anything if you try hard enough, but wrxchic is doing the right thing. at least it isn't yet another "always serviced, and never run past 10,000 rpm" quote in there.

So harden up you whiners. You only have a right to speak if you have never once failed to give all of the information pursuant to any deal, sale, situation or relationship.
The buyer knows enough to investigate further if they decide to pursue the bike.

Libel from uneducated morons is still libel.

[wrxchic]

Just a couple of quick thing to add:

90s sorry to take out one of the more interesting possible twists to the thread i am starletboy1's FEMALE partner sorry to disappoint if this was to be in your movie.

Also imdying the pic in profile is of the bike the day we brought it home from turners pre any repairs so yes it was very minor damage and not the huge wreak some people have made it out to be. Unfortunately for their mate it was probably his broken leg or tailbone that took more of the impact saving the bike.

Thanks for all the interest this has created and subject to finance I have 2 parties fighting to purchase it. Both of which are well aware of all details of the bike one of which was very interested well before this discussion even started. NOTE to anyone else interested until cash is in hand bike is still up for sale.

[Patrick]

Good on ya Monkeyboy:niceone: :2thumbsup ... I would have wanted to know, and now everyone knows the true extent... all is good in the world again.:calm:

[Patrick]

Just a couple of quick thing to add:

90s sorry to take out one of the more interesting possible twists to the thread i am starletboy1's FEMALE partner sorry to disappoint if this was to be in your movie.

Damn... perfect way to ruin a great movie...

[jeremyb]

Unfortunately for their mate it was probably his broken leg or tailbone that took more of the impact saving the bike.


BAHAHAHAHAHHA theres at least two people in this thread who actually saw the crash, you weren't one of them.

[bbbimportsparts]

sorry dude was meant to put in wrxchic not you, too busy reading the thread and laughing, again sorry

[90s]

90s sorry to take out one of the more interesting possible twists to the thread i am starletboy1's FEMALE partner sorry to disappoint if this was to be in your movie.


That's fine. Starletboy in my movie is played by Angelina Jolie under the name "gixxer kixxer" :third:

Cameos to all on KB.

Good luck with the sale.

[crazybigal]

yes but how long ago was that? the rules changed about a year ago.
it used to be fix it and take it down to vins station and get it re reged and vined. if they liked the look of it they passed it.
now if a bike is de reged then it has to be certed, frame and components measured and checked for cracks. then once its signed off its then alowed to get a vin.
to many people think writen off means its fucked, not the case!. writen off is an insurance term. hell ive seen bike writen off due to scratches all over.
Insurance companies have to replace every little thing, so the cost adds up to were its un economical.

if a bike has been through the cert and re vined ok then there is nothing wrong with it.
But it is nice to know its history if possible.



I once looked at a suzuki bandit 250 for a mate and he was going to buy it, but when I rode it, it felt as though it just didnt want to turn at all. I said to him that it had been crashed so he asked them about it...and then the truth came out and they said yes it had been written off and "fixed up" to me it felt like a bent steering head (wrong angle) and it still passed re-vinning ok

[surfchick]

ive uploaded a pic to my profile for everyone to look at still cant see the major damage that people are going on about or maybe they were the bidders that i out bid on this , who would ever know, but hay each to their own its their right to comment but get the facts first pics show it all


my my this is a baptism by fire in terms of you joining KB!

[cowpoos]

Having said that, TLS frames would occasionally crack due to bad design. Of course,

Wasn't bad design of the frame as such...was more a fault of the rush R&D suspension department...they rushed the design onthe roatary dampers and separate side mounted spring unit[which interestingly enough I believe was a linier rate linkage..as in ideal !!],which as you may or may not be aware were used in place of a regular damper and spring unit...or shock if you want to call it that...the problem with the rotary damer was its damping characteristics,inparticular not being able to flow enough oil through the high speed valving system...and it would cause a sort of a hydraulic lock on real bumps or numerous bumps in a row..so it was sending some very unforgiving and powerful shocks through the top damper mount...where it would crack...and fair enough to...most of this fault was found in countries with bumpy roads..NZ auz,UK,etc...would never be a problem on a race track...and never will happen after a after market conventional shock is installed...penske,ohlins,maxton,biturbo all do a replacement for TL1000s

[imdying]

Excellent summary poos :yes:

[jeremyb]

The big issue with the new generation suzuki frames is that the casting which used to be just for the headstock now extends most of the way down the side spars of the frame where theres a lot more leverage against that weld which is where they tend to crack...

[HenryDorsetCase]

90s sorry to take out one of the more interesting possible twists to the thread i am starletboy1's FEMALE partner sorry to disappoint if this was to be in your movie.



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