Aviation fans have a looksie. [Archive]

sAsLEX

12th June 2007, 08:30

Duxford was weekend just been I think.

Good air museum for sure, they have a B52 just sitting in the American Air Power building with a whole heap of others.

Well worth the look if your over this way.

Pussy

12th June 2007, 08:51

I'm not what you would call an aviation fan, but I would love to have flown a P-51 or an F4U

Blackbird

12th June 2007, 09:20

This is my current wallpaper taken at an airshow in UK, Duxford I think.

Isn't it amazing.
Clearly shows the difference in sizes of the fighters.

Duxford is an awesome place. I went there on spec last time in the UK and was lucky enough to see a P47 Thunderbolt doing circuits. The sound was awesome. The real reason I went there was to see the TSR-2 supersonic low level bomber as my late father was on the wind tunnel testing team.

Pwalo

12th June 2007, 09:33

MisterD

12th June 2007, 10:10

Good air museum for sure, they have a B52 just sitting in the American Air Power building with a whole heap of others.

I used to live just down the road and was there when the B52 arrived. When the M11 motorway was built, they cropped the end off the runway so there was just enough space to land, but that beast will never fly away....we parked up on the B-road that parallels the Mway so it came over at bugger all altitude with engines at full noise - twice, cos the pilot needed a second bite....oh man I think my liver shook out of place.:Punk:

nudemetalz

12th June 2007, 11:00

terbang

12th June 2007, 11:18

Blackbird

12th June 2007, 11:19

Yep P-47s are huge cf to a P-51 or a Spitfire. Mind you I'm not sure if a full sized American would have been able to squeeze into a Spitfire.

I've only had the opportunity to sit in one combat aircraft's cockpit (the good old Skyhawk), and it was pretty tight.

The P47 was mainly used as a long range escort for allied bombers. It had a reputation for not being particularly manoeuvrable in a dogfight. One pilot was quoted as saying that the best evasive action strategy was to undo the harness and run round the cockpit!

Deviant Esq

12th June 2007, 11:29

I attend as many airshows as I can here, ie Wanaka, Classic Fighters, Wings Over Wairarapa.
I'm happy to show/post my collection I've taken (and there's quite a number !!)
Got any in 1440 x 900 resolution? Nice shiny new 19" widescreen LCD monitor now! :first:

terbang

12th June 2007, 11:34

The P47 was mainly used as a long range escort for allied bombers. It had a reputation for not being particularly manoeuvrable in a dogfight. One pilot was quoted as saying that the best evasive action strategy was to undo the harness and run round the cockpit!

The P47 was a pwerful aircraft that had, the often rediculed nickname, "Jug" due to its strange shape. It was heavy (around 7 Ton) due to having a lot of armour built into it, so therefore its turning radius suffered a bit. But it had a tremendous roll rate and when taken advantage of, it took many german pilots by surprise. The best evasive strategy in the jug was to poke the nose earthwards and nothing could keep up. And viceversa, twas a big mistake by German pilots to use a dive to escape a Thunderbolt... Confused P47 pilots often reported aileron reversal in high speed dives, which we now know is an advanced state of transonic flight. And they held together..! They were also heavily armed with eight 50 cal machine guns. A fast, reliable and very dangerous fighter that did a great job though it took second fiddle in the limelight to the P51.

MisterD

12th June 2007, 11:59

Wow, seeing and hearing a '52 a low level would be something else !!!

I attend as many airshows as I can here, ie Wanaka, Classic Fighters, Wings Over Wairarapa.
I'm happy to show/post my collection I've taken (and there's quite a number !!)

It's more a feeling than anything else, kind of like Motorhead live :yes:

It just a shame it was in the days before digi camcorders and the interweb (we're talking 25 years ago at a guess) so it's only fuzzt memories now.

MisterD

12th June 2007, 12:04

A fast, reliable and very dangerous fighter that did a great job though it took second fiddle in the limelight to the P51.

Kind of like the Hurricane then? Responsible for most of the kills in the Battle of Britain but all you ever hear about is Spitfires...

nudemetalz

12th June 2007, 12:10

Just a punt from left to right: Aircobra, P47 Thunderbolt (ooh ahh), P51 (spinner and prop only?), P51, P51, P51, P51, Corsair, Corsair and a Douglas Skyraider (?).

Love those big piston singles.. Jets are for pussies...

CORRECT !!! And I think there's an F7F Tigercat behind the Spad (Skyraider)

Got any in 1440 x 900 resolution? Nice shiny new 19" widescreen LCD monitor now! :first:

I have. Let me go through my home PC tonight and I'll winzip some to your email.

terbang

12th June 2007, 12:11

Kind of like the Hurricane then? Responsible for most of the kills in the Battle of Britain but all you ever hear about is Spitfires...

Yeah I guess so. Strange thing about us humans, it also has to look good to be good. A bit like the P51 and the Spitfire taking centre stage where there were many of the "ugly ducklings" that actually did a better job. I am sure the same goes in motorcycle world too.

nudemetalz

12th June 2007, 12:11

The P47 was a pwerful aircraft that had, the often rediculed nickname, "Jug" due to its strange shape. It was heavy (around 7 Ton) due to having a lot of armour built into it, so therefore its turning radius suffered a bit. But it had a tremendous roll rate and when taken advantage of, it took many german pilots by surprise. The best evasive strategy in the jug was to poke the nose earthwards and nothing could keep up. And viceversa, twas a big mistake by German pilots to use a dive to escape a Thunderbolt... Confused P47 pilots often reported aileron reversal in high speed dives, which we now know is an advanced state of transonic flight. And they held together..! They were also heavily armed with eight 50 cal machine guns. A fast, reliable and very dangerous fighter that did a great job though it took second fiddle in the limelight to the P51.

P-47 pilots often flew THROUGH trees at low level with minimal damage, the Thunderbolts were that tough !!!

Swoop

12th June 2007, 12:15

Yep P-47s are huge cf to a P-51 or a Spitfire. Mind you I'm not sure if a full sized American would have been able to squeeze into a Spitfire.
Yes they could! Several purely American squadrons were formed prior to the US participating in the events.

The real reason I went there was to see the TSR-2 supersonic low level bomber as my late father was on the wind tunnel testing team.
TSR-2. Sex on wings!!!
Gorgeous, just gorgeous.:drool:

Good piccies here.http://www.steehouwer.com/

sAsLEX

12th June 2007, 17:30

P-47 pilots often flew THROUGH trees at low level with minimal damage, the Thunderbolts were that tough !!!

Like the Iroqouis making there own clearings in Nam when they had the steel blades....

Blackbird

12th June 2007, 17:49

Here's the TSR2. Taken at Duxford in the mid-80's but it was originally at my old university, Cranfield. I think that the other one is at the RAF Museum at Hendon.

Tim 39

12th June 2007, 17:54

dam... I'm a pilot and everyone still seems to know more about those planes than me :(

Skunk

12th June 2007, 18:32

Duxford is an awesome place. I went there on spec last time in the UK and was lucky enough to see a P47 Thunderbolt doing circuits. The sound was awesome. The real reason I went there was to see the TSR-2 supersonic low level bomber as my late father was on the wind tunnel testing team.They should'da built it - like the supersonic Harrier 2

Yes they could! Several purely American squadrons were formed prior to the US participating in the events.

TSR-2. Sex on wings!!!
Gorgeous, just gorgeous.:drool:

Good piccies here.http://www.steehouwer.com/Thankyou for the link...

Here's the TSR2. Taken at Duxford in the mid-80's but it was originally at my old university, Cranfield. I think that the other one is at the RAF Museum at Hendon.Missed seeing stuff like that when I was over there.

Swoop

12th June 2007, 20:28

I think that the other one is at the RAF Museum at Hendon.
XR222 at Duxford.
XR220 at Cosford Aerospace Museum.

sAsLEX

12th June 2007, 23:13

XR222 at Duxford.
XR220 at Cosford Aerospace Museum.

Arse of it in this pic, can see the new space they are just finishing there for the summer a mighty fine visit.

MisterD

13th June 2007, 06:54

Ooh that Vulcan's the dog's....remember it doing low-level passes along the flightline at Duxford as a kid.

If you guys make the trek up to Duxford from London, it's well worth heading over to the Shuttleworth collection (http://www.shuttleworth.org/shuttleworth_home.asp). Well, apart from the fact that there's a day's worth of stuff to look at there and about a week's worth a Duxford....

KoroJ

13th June 2007, 08:11

What about our own..."All Aluminum Pusuit Ship"....Oh sorry they're just FAC Harvards.

Swoop

13th June 2007, 08:15

Arse of it in this pic, can see the new space they are just finishing there for the summer a mighty fine visit.

Can you still walk right under the Vulcan and look into the bomb bay? It's eerie how dark it gets under the plane since it prevents the lighting getting under there!
All good stuff!
Have you been to Hendon yet?

sAsLEX

13th June 2007, 09:00

Can you still walk right under the Vulcan and look into the bomb bay? It's eerie how dark it gets under the plane since it prevents the lighting getting under there!
All good stuff!
Have you been to Hendon yet?

Yeah mate , Hendon?

Swoop

13th June 2007, 09:14

Hendon?
RAF Museum. North of London. You can get there on the tube easily, and most definately worth a visit!!!

terbang

13th June 2007, 09:25

Another good visit is the museum at Yeovil, they have got a lot of the Naval stuff there, one of the testbed Concorde's and some stuff they captured while at the Falklands.

MisterD

13th June 2007, 09:44

RAF Museum. North of London. You can get there on the tube easily, and most definately worth a visit!!!

Most definitely. I think they have the only surviving Typhoon on display.

Pogo2

13th June 2007, 09:45

Good to see some "plane" talk on this website.

Do you you think that there is any correlation between planes and bike - must be speed, graceful lines etc.

So how may pilots are KBers?

Me, I starting flying in 1982 and still going. How 'bout you?

terbang

13th June 2007, 09:52

Soloed in 1977. Currently driving 737's.

nudemetalz

13th June 2007, 10:37

Been a 'plane nut ever since I was able to talk.
I've done a few flights in a Cherokee and C152.
Went up in a Glider over Param recently.
However, my epilepsy says I'll never have a pilots licence unfort.

marty

13th June 2007, 10:47

1st bike in 1986. 1st flight in 1986

didn't get my ppl til 2005 though - now cpl, with atpl exams and a fresh IR, driving a chieftan and a 206. not quite a 73 though......

KoroJ

13th June 2007, 11:40

Started gliding in '71 and that was cool but gave it up due to time and $ constraints when I got married and never got back into it. Spent alot of time around aircraft as a Technician as well. Got 1st bike in '74.

MisterD

13th June 2007, 12:24

Nope. Just never lost that small boy's enthusiasm for planes, (steam) trains and tractors....done some hours on the last in that list though:p

Bass

13th June 2007, 12:25

Kind of like the Hurricane then? Responsible for most of the kills in the Battle of Britain but all you ever hear about is Spitfires...

Family friend, died a couple of years back, was living in Wanaka. His kids found out as adults that he was ex Battle of Britain, DFC and at one time flying the total serviceable air force of Malta.
When Tim Wallace brought his restored Hurricane to Wanaka (rescued from Siberia, I think - Russia certainly), said friend, who still had his log books went for a looksee. The numbers matched. It was an aircraft that he had flown at a training squadron in the UK.
There was a picture of him in the cockpit on the front page of the Southland Times

Haven't done much personally - only about 12 hours at the controls. Most of it is aerobatics though - huge fun!

Swoop

13th June 2007, 15:13

Have been interested in aviation since a wee lad.
Followed a different "line" but have a few hours at the controls of both singles and twins.
Strangely enough, lots of take offs' but very few landings...:whistle:

Pussy

13th June 2007, 16:12

SPman

13th June 2007, 16:31

1st bike in 67
Soloed in 67 - PPL in 68. Piper Cubs at Dairy Flat with a grass (mud) strip
Originally wanted to be a topdressing pilot - as well I didn't - all me mates who did that are long dead.......
Got involved with Myles Robertson, rebuilding Moth Minors, Fox Moths and kitset Tigers for a while - that was interesting
Am also on 4 aviation forums - a couple of interesting ones

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/index.php
http://rnzaf.proboards43.com/index.cgi

KoroJ

13th June 2007, 18:00

Like the Iroqouis making there own clearings in Nam when they had the steel blades....

You sure that's not an Urb...Jungle Myth?

KoroJ

13th June 2007, 18:05

Soloed in 1977. Currently driving 737's.

Do you drive 737's like this?.....I think they called it "In Flight Training"!!

KoroJ

13th June 2007, 18:10

Here's a couple of oldies-but-goodies.

fazer

13th June 2007, 19:48

Went solo (gliding) in late 60`s, Hang gliding and paragliding in the 90`s, never kept any of them up sadly for one reason or another.
Used to go to Filton (Bristol UK) when they were testing the engines for the concorde on the Avro Vulcans, the sound of them taking off was something else.
Biggin Hill airshows were (and probably still are), a good day out, if the weather was good that is!
Also went solo on my honda c50 in late sixties, then went onto Lambrettas, but that`s another story!

nudemetalz

13th June 2007, 20:39

You sure that's not an Urb...Jungle Myth?

Nope not at all. Got lots of Vietnam Helicopter pilots autobi's including "Chickenhawk", the best of the lot.
The Hueys could do it, but did beat the leading edges up a little.

Timber020

13th June 2007, 22:08

Nope not at all. Got lots of Vietnam Helicopter pilots autobi's including "Chickenhawk", the best of the lot.
The Hueys could do it, but did beat the leading edges up a little.

To right, I know an Aussie photographer who lives in Arizona now, he flew slicks in vietnam and had to do that at least once that I know of.
Slightly off topic but he volenteered to try one of the first slicks fitted with a big bunch of rocket racks. The idea was to pull the trigger and a rocket from each rack would launch. He pulled the trigger and all (I dont remember the exact number) the rockets launched at once, the chopper bucked backwards and crashed, he lost his front teeth on the cyclic.

In September me and the wife are heading to halifax in canada to the airshow there, also going to the smithodian in DC. Luckily shes a wing nut to.

Swoop

13th June 2007, 22:44

So you're a meat-bomb then?
:whistle:.....

Pussy

13th June 2007, 22:51

:whistle:.....
I used to do quite a bit of meatbomb flying between 1987 and 1994. I'm still dropping the same stuff, in a different format!

N4CR

14th June 2007, 10:15

confused p47 pilots often reported aileron reversal in high speed dives

o_o

almost got me ppl trying to make it a career cpl+atpl and ratings etc, love me planes! just gotta not **** myself up on a bike so i pass medicals eh...

Swoop

14th June 2007, 11:11

Here's an easy to use identification chart...:rofl:

Grub

14th June 2007, 11:42

almost got me ppl trying to make it a career cpl+atpl and ratings etc, love me planes!

I'm with ya there N4. Couldn't get my cpl medical so cranked up 300hrs on ppl instead ... nothing in the world like it

N4CR

14th June 2007, 11:48

i'm with ya there n4. couldn't get my cpl medical so cranked up 300hrs on ppl instead ... nothing in the world like it

damn! sorry to hear that dude... yeah i got a class 1 before to make sure i could get one (passed no probs!) that's fine just gotta take it easy on the bike and keep it that way :d
is it a heart condition or something? (don't have to answer just curious)...

Grub

14th June 2007, 11:55

is it a heart condition or something? (don't have to answer just curious)...

Nah, was born cross-eyed which means sort of monoccular/stigmatism or whatever they call it. Doesn't actually mean shit as I ski raced, ralled & raced cars and of course flew. (we don't mention falling off bikes all the time) So perception of depth/speed is not an issue but they do get precious and antsy about that stuff because its hard for them to understand

The ppl medical is not so probing in that area ad Idecided I ddin't want to try for the class1, get turned down and be told I couldn't fly at all! Better to not go there:)

nudemetalz

14th June 2007, 12:41

Here's an easy to use identification chart...:rofl:

ha ha ha love it !!!!!!!:yes:

N4CR

14th June 2007, 12:45

the ppl medical is not so probing in that area ad idecided i ddin't want to try for the class1, get turned down and be told i couldn't fly at all! better to not go there:)

you can just do the eyetest that they do separately without actually going for the license class 1 medical... cheaper and you can actually find out. they do it so there is no liability...

Pogo2

14th June 2007, 19:22

damn! sorry to hear that dude... yeah i got a class 1 before to make sure i could get one (passed no probs!) that's fine just gotta take it easy on the bike and keep it that way :d
is it a heart condition or something? (don't have to answer just curious)...

Just renewing my class 1 medical at the mo. Had a slight hiccup with the ECG. Cardiologist says fine, Nuclear medicine cardiologist says ok. Almost $2000 later and I am waiting with baited breath. Hope to find out in the next day or two if all of these normal tests are acceptable. The stress alone waiting is killing me!

terbang

14th June 2007, 19:53

Do you drive 737's like this?.....I think they called it "In Flight Training"!!

Nope, but the maritime patrols sometimes went like this..!

Swoop

14th June 2007, 22:03

Nope, but the maritime patrols sometimes went like this..!
And from the outside...

sAsLEX

15th June 2007, 02:05

Here's an easy to use identification chart...:rofl:

Pilot 1 "What are those orange markings on that column down there?"
Pilot 2 "They look like rockets"
Pilot 1 "Lets get 'em"
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nudemetalz

15th June 2007, 09:44

Pilot 1 "What are those orange markings on that column down there?"
Pilot 2 "They look like rockets"
Pilot 1 "Lets get 'em"
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Oh yes, the blue on blue A-10 attack. Shocking stuff !!