New Zealand-brand cigarettes

[McJim]

Mad - just saw on the news that some Ciggies branded with a silver fern have been withdrawn for "Not promoting New Zealand's clean image"

First time I came here (2000) I was flabberghasted at the huge number of cars per person.
I was amazed at the sheer number of cars with engines > 1.4Litres.
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that New Zealanders still believe the myth of Nuclear Power stations being environmentally damaging.

For goodness' sake - I personally don't have a problem with the fact that New Zealand pours pollutants into the air via it's ageing Coal, Oil and Gas power stations like it's going out of fashion (and that Kyoto is merely an anagram of Tokyo) or that you love you evil smelling muscle cars or that you have the highest level of vehicle ownership in the world. Just don't lie and tell the world you're green and environmentally friendly okay

I don't go around denying my past alcoholism do I?

:rofl:

this good humoured rant was brought to you by McJim enterprises - spouting shit to make people look at themselves properly since 2006. :)

[Karma]

Yeh I don't get it... they don't do that many sporty little hatches over here... I used to drive around in fiesta 1.1s and metro 1.0 cars... loved raping the shit outta those little engines.

What I'd give for a decent condition Golf MK3 1.6 GTi...

[The Pastor]

its true, we are green though - look at how many green trees we have! we have WAY to many trees!

[Mully]

I couldn't believe my ears when I heard that New Zealanders still believe the myth of Nuclear Power stations being environmentally damaging.

I don't believe this. A lot of people don't, but we have spineless leaders who wont even have the debate about it. Nuclear Free NZ is a phallacy anyway.

[98tls]

Yeh I don't get it... they don't do that many sporty little hatches over here... I used to drive around in fiesta 1.1s and metro 1.0 cars... loved raping the shit outta those little engines.

What I'd give for a decent condition Golf MK3 1.6 GTi... I can sort of understand but nope.............RGVs/KR1s are fun but would hate to live with one every day..............Hell yea were greenies for sure........i love the shit.............and its cheaper than booze...........

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Ciggies with fucking silver ferns on them? Makes me proud to be a New Zealander that does!! Seriously though, the real reason NZ is 'clean and green' is because there are sod-all people here. I see countless asswipes in cans throwing crap out their window while driving, and have a close look at the amount of rubbish on the majority of Aucklands streets and motorways. Effing pig sties, that's what they are. And don't get me started on the bleedin' useless recycling system. Why can't we be tidy, eh???:angry:

[Lucy]

. Just don't lie and tell the world you're green and environmentally friendly okay

. :)


Couldn't agree more, but 'must spread bling'

[98tls]

Ciggies with fucking silver ferns on them? Makes me proud to be a New Zealander that does!! Seriously though, the real reason NZ is 'clean and green' is because there are sod-all people here. I see countless asswipes in cans throwing crap out their window while driving, and have a close look at the amount of rubbish on the majority of Aucklands streets and motorways. Effing pig sties, that's what they are. And don't get me started on the bleedin' useless recycling system. Why can't we be tidy, eh???:angry: Ahhh this is the reason i love this place so much.........nothing like listening to Aucklanders whinge about the mess they live in...........the rest of the country suffers there arrogance whist they shit in there own back yard.....J/kidding mate..........then again real glad you live there and not me......:innocent:

[Lucy]

Ahhh this is the reason i love this place so much.........nothing like listening to Aucklanders whinge about the mess they live in...........the rest of the country suffers there arrogance whist they shit in there own back yard.....J/kidding mate..........then again real glad you live there and not me......:innocent:

First time I saw serious hard core litter was on a bike trip in the South Island.

[The Pastor]

The green imange comes from the ammount of grass and trees we have compared to other citys. The clean image comes from our love of showers.

[T.W.R]

First time I saw serious hard core litter was on a bike trip in the South Island.

:lol: It's from all the Nth island tourists :nya:

[Lucy]

:lol: It's from all the Nth island tourists :nya:


Good to see nothings changed with the South Island attitudes. Save me going back.

[T.W.R]

Good to see nothings changed with the South Island attitudes. Save me going back.

Ha got it when I worked in Huntly for 3yrs :bleh:

But anyone take note of where those ciggys were from???? Luxembourg :yes:

[98tls]

:lol: It's from all the Nth island tourists :nya: Na mate............it was the Nth island tourists..........

[Lucy]

Ha got it when I worked in Huntly for 3yrs :bleh:

But anyone take note of where those ciggys were from???? Luxembourg :yes:


FYI we normally spell it with a 'C'

[98tls]

Good to see nothings changed with the South Island attitudes. Save me going back. Sweet.............no offence but we are just fine without ya..........Redneck....no...enjoying the pleasant/safe/honest/atmosphere/open spaces of the south........yes..i just love the way they promote NZ overseas,Auckland/Auckland........and then some more Auckland......hope it stays that way.

[98tls]

FYI we normally spell it with a 'C' FYI..........we dont bother with such trivial quibbling down here

[Lucy]

FYI..........we dont bother with such trivial quibbling down here


Nice one .

[Lucy]

Sweet.............no offence but we are just fine without ya..........Redneck....no...enjoying the pleasant/safe/honest/atmosphere/open spaces of the south........yes..i just love the way they promote NZ overseas,Auckland/Auckland........and then some more Auckland......hope it stays that way.


No offence? Bulllshit. None taken, but lots given. Like I said - I've been there. Lots.

[T.W.R]

FYI we normally spell it with a 'C'

:shutup: lols thats understandable :yes: never seen so many patched up crap cars than I had when I was there :sick:

Least I got to make bloody great holes in the ground whilst there :yes: The ultimate green image :laugh:

[onearmedbandit]

Kyoto is actually a city in Japan.

[Back Fire]

its true, we are green though - look at how many green trees we have! we have WAY to many trees!

they look more of a mudgy skangy brown to me

[Donor]

they look more of a mudgy skangy brown to me

Dude, you're looking too low...

...the green bits are up the top!

[yungatart]

I don't believe this. A lot of people don't, but we have spineless leaders who wont even have the debate about it. Nuclear Free NZ is a phallacy anyway.

As opposed to a fallacy, you mean?

[jonbuoy]

I wouldn't want to live next to a nuclear power station - would you? Emmisions checks as part of the WOF's would be good. Got rid of all the old oil burners when they did it as part of the MOT. Classics are still given a bit of leeway so no fears there.

[Mully]

As opposed to a fallacy, you mean?

Whoops. Freudian slip there. I'm as bad as Buffy with her love of balls.

But yeah, it's one of them too.

[Str8 Jacket]

No offence? Bulllshit. None taken, but lots given. Like I said - I've been there. Lots.

Jeepers chick, you live in Raetihi for gods sake. You really cant be serious?! I grew up in Ohakune and have lived in Rotovegas, Auckland and Wgtn and I have travelled most of the North Island. I went hitch-hiking round the South Island a couple or so years ago, its beautiful! More than anywhere that ive seen up here. I reckon that the further South I went the more friendlier the people were. Though that is just MY opinion!

[Grahameeboy]

I don't smoke!!

[Str8 Jacket]

I don't smoke!!

I dont quit! Annnnd I ride a 2 stroker!

[Hitcher]

New Zealand isn't "clean and green". That's just a slogan that was coined some years ago by people who (wrongly) assumed that because that's the way we looked as a country, then it must be the way we were.

Having comparatively few people, lots of wide open spaces, and a breezy maritime climate disguises much that is not to like.

New Zealand has serious problems with air quality, water quantity and quality, waste management (particularly hazardous waste), and sustainability issues generally. We're also abysmal at such things as basic food handling and hygiene skills.

Claims about being "clean and green" are delusional. Sadly we have sold this message (e.g. 100% Pure) to the world for several decades without first doing a reality check. Now that international audiences are starting to ask hard questions, we're starting to squirm a bit, but nobody seems particularly interested in taking a long hard look at ways we can clean ourselves up.

And this all starts at home, as it were. Our nation's collective environmental performance is nothing more than the sum of 4.2 million individual performances. We need to get over ourselves and our smug environmental arrogance and get our fucking fingers out.

[Back Fire]

Dude, you're looking too low...

...the green bits are up the top!

NZ has no green... tatty scrub bush... it needs to all be ripped out and real trees planted

[Indiana_Jones]

might as well ban NZ labeled beer, cause that promotes heavy drinking.

:p

-Indy

[Lucy]

Jeepers chick, you live in Raetihi for gods sake. You really cant be serious?! I grew up in Ohakune and have lived in Rotovegas, Auckland and Wgtn and I have travelled most of the North Island. I went hitch-hiking round the South Island a couple or so years ago, its beautiful! More than anywhere that ive seen up here. I reckon that the further South I went the more friendlier the people were. Though that is just MY opinion!

Hiya, not sure what living in Raetihi has got to do with anything, but maybe my problem was that on lots of my trips down south I've been with friends and family from overseas. People would be all friendly and nice, speak to the foreigners and then turn to us, recognize the Kiwi accent, the smile drops, they find out we were from the North Island and they would start insulting us! Was funny the first 1000 times....

Nothing to do with our attitudes either, like I said, they were fine and friendly, as we were, until they found out where we lived. Made a bad impression on our overseas friends.

But that's just my impression, formed over three or four trips, one of them three months long. Glad you had a better time.

[El Dopa]

...dillusional....

One zillion infraction points for you...........Or am I being delusional.

[Chickadee]

Yep we're all a bit brain washed that NZ's clean and green, and we sure is ain't in the way we live and dipsose of waste. Electricity needs will only increase, time for looking at new clean ways to make electricity that doesn't ruin the landscape.

There was a doco on TV3 last year called 'Our dirty little secret' which was quite a revelation as to the chemicals we use in our homes, Sodium Laurl Sulpate being a skin sensitiser and it's in so many things like shampoo's and soaps. Lots of harmful ingredients in products we use all the time, - think we need to go back to using non-harmful stuff that our Grandparents probably used.

Glad I never smoked, sounds like a bitch of a habit to kick, whatever brand you smoke. I just ride a 20-smoker instead (sorry environment).

[McJim]

I've lost it.

I started this thread as an attempt to troll but I've started some sensible environmental discussion. I'll never be able to hold my head high under the bridge with the other trolls again :(

The reason I saw fit to raise the subject is because I bought into the 100% pure ad campaign in the UK (as alluded to by Hitcher).

Back home we are conditioned to believe that large cars are bad. Bad for the environment and bad for your sex life. Girls in the UK actually do assume blokes with performance cars have small penises and are bad in bed hence they need to make up for it with metal.

So I came over here with the expectation that most people would drive 1 litre or 1.1 litre cars and that there would be mainly hydro or wind turbine power stations.

I thought you'd have a Nationwide electric rail service run on geothermal power (Italy has had that for a couple of decades now) as it's so much more environmentally friendly to move freight by rail - trucks are nasty polluters.

Having said all of that I myself have become a bit more of a petrol head and am enjoying the accessibility to all things internal combustion that were forbidden fruit back home.

And many of you have never experienced fuel costs like the UK - I think I pissed myself a little the first time my mother in law complained about fuel prices!

Now who has a 1980's Vauxhall Nova 1.2 with spoiler and stiffened suspension I can borrow for old time's sake?

[onearmedbandit]

On the cigarette subject I am very happy to find I can now buy Mild Sevens in Christchurch.

[Karma]

The reason I saw fit to raise the subject is because I bought into the 100% pure ad campaign in the UK (as alluded to by Hitcher).

I think a lot of people did, but they're keeping the shipping companies in business... shift a load of stuff here... wait 2-3years, shift it all back again.


Having said all of that I myself have become a bit more of a petrol head and am enjoying the accessibility to all things internal combustion that were forbidden fruit back home.

And many of you have never experienced fuel costs like the UK - I think I pissed myself a little the first time my mother in law complained about fuel prices!

Well now you can afford petrol, how you gonna afford food and rent? Or are you one that's come over and is content to live in cold leaky homes and eat nothing but fucking kfc and pies?

[NighthawkNZ]

any one got a cigerette... I don't smoke, but I cough enough in the morning so I thought I would start, so that I could quit...

make it look like I am doing something for me cough... :scratrch: not only that all this presure and talk about smoking, for us young fellas its... its...

on the other hand if I smoke I won't be able to afford petrol... hmmm decisions decisions

[Grahameeboy]

Regardless, NZ is still a great country to live in........I guess it's swings and roundabouts.

McJim, the only other place I would live is Scotland....Munros to bag, Bothy's to sleep the nite......only another 167 to go but may take a while as I am here...

[Harry33]

I think a lot of people did, but they're keeping the shipping companies in business... shift a load of stuff here... wait 2-3years, shift it all back again.



Well now you can afford petrol, how you gonna afford food and rent? Or are you one that's come over and is content to live in cold leaky homes and eat nothing but fucking kfc and pies?

mmmmm pies, In Vancouver the pies are shit, nothing but vegetables and you seem to only be able to find them in the supermarkets. I miss steak and cheese pies.

Anyway NZ labeled cigs who thought up this shit?

[Flatcap]

Just don't lie and tell the world you're green and environmentally friendly okay


Every year the environment kills dozens of people - why should we be friendly to it?

I personally like the smell of coal smoke. Sort of like 2-stroke, but heavier.

[Skyryder]

When you use the national icon and the name of our country as a brand and it's a 'brand,' to sell an addictive poison then the Govt has every right to bitch and moan as do all kiwi's if they so wish.

Skyryder

[Lucy]

I've lost it.


And many of you have never experienced fuel costs like the UK - I think I pissed myself a little the first time my mother in law complained about fuel prices!

Now who has a 1980's Vauxhall Nova 1.2 with spoiler and stiffened suspension I can borrow for old time's sake?


I drove a Supershuttle for a while and and as we passed the Shell station leaving the airport the Europeans would say 'Ooh petrols cheap' and the Americans would say 'Ooh petrols dear'. (Well, the smart ones did, the dumb ones thought the price was for a gallon....)

Did you really move to the other side of the world without doing your own research?

[BIGBOSSMAN]

Every year the environment kills dozens of people - why should we be friendly to it?

I personally like the smell of coal smoke. Sort of like 2-stroke, but heavier.

Hear hear. Now there spoketh the voice of reason. Why argue with what's so inherently correct :rockon:

[McJim]

Did you really move to the other side of the world without doing your own research?

Yeah I did - I asked at the NZ Embassy - how was I to know that Auntie Helen and her cronies tell the civil servants to bend the truth?! :rofl:

[El Dopa]

Back home we are conditioned to believe that large cars are bad. Bad for the environment and bad for your sex life. Girls in the UK actually do assume blokes with performance cars have small penises and are bad in bed hence they need to make up for it with metal.

So I came over here with the expectation that most people would drive 1 litre or 1.1 litre cars and that there would be mainly hydro or wind turbine power stations.

Having said all of that I myself have become a bit more of a petrol head and am enjoying the accessibility to all things internal combustion that were forbidden fruit back home.

And many of you have never experienced fuel costs like the UK - I think I pissed myself a little the first time my mother in law complained about fuel prices!

Now who has a 1980's Vauxhall Nova 1.2 with spoiler and stiffened suspension I can borrow for old time's sake?

Funnily enough, that almost exactly parallels my observations/experience. 'Hey, they're not as green as they said they were! Oh well, when in Rome, indulge in your petrolhead fantasies.'

There's a lot of info that you can't get through research - you have to live and absorb the culture first hand to realise the devil is in the detail.

One thing I still find a bit surprising is the lack of 'hot hatches' on the roads. I suppose Jap rally imports are just that much more available.