VMCC's greed

[GIXser]

216 confirmed entrees, are you kidding , yeah i know some will cross enter
but WTF,, ya get 3 races in one class (or thereabouts) a whole 6 minutes a session...whhhoooaaaaaaaa,, thank you

hmmm let me do the calculation 160 x 75 bucks and another 56 cross entered x 20 bucks ( roughly)+ transponders hire when is enough enough... lets have 300 people enter cos then the event organisers will fly in by private jet.. and wont have to bother driving their bentley..

fucken joke...

they should shorten the sessions to 4 minutes cos then they can fit another 85 odd racers in......

[aff-man]

damn............:gob:

[HDTboy]

Would you rather motorcycle racing was less popular?

[GIXser]

no not at all, but hey they could run the event over two days!!!!!:yes:

[HDTboy]

They are at round 4

[HDTboy]

Some people can barely afford to do one days racing, let alone two

[Goblin]

Stop your whinging man. Fuck its only money! If ya wanna race then pay the fuckin money and go have fun!!!

[GIXser]

Stop your whinging man. Fuck its only money! If ya wanna race then pay the fuckin money and go have fun!!!


thats fuckin right i wanna race.............for more than 18 minutes!!!!:shit:

[Goblin]

How many races have you raced?

[HDTboy]

thats fuckin right i wanna race.............for more than 18 minutes!!!!:shit:

Enter at national level then

[GIXser]

How many races have you raced?

9467 wtf......

[Goblin]

If your worried about greed, then I think you're barking up the wrong tree here dood.

an its sposed to be 9467 FTW!

[White trash]

Hey Ed, you're forgetting your ten minute practice session dude. That's 28 minutes of riding:) 56 for me :)

[Drew]

C'mon now Ed, dont make me call your proby officer.

So there's a shit load of entries, and a lot of money changing hands, I'm not sure if you've noticed bro, that's how life works. Someone has an idea, others like it, and pay to do it.

Dunno how much profit VMCC makes out of it, but if it's substantial, I think maybe the marshals should get something out of it. They give up a lot of time to do it.

And ya do get a free track day out of it, if you're a VMCC member ya know.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Bad call man.

Honestly if you don't like it don't come. Obviously the other 215 people think it worth thier value.

Or IF you think the meeting is run badly, Why don't YOU step up to the mark, and offer help rather than have bitch about it??

Vic club do a great job at running a race series, hence it is now very popular. Clubs like these are what the country needs to get the MC racing scene back to health.

-Sketchy Glen

[MOTOXXX]

small price to pay for a shit load of fun.

i dont think its that bad realy. try racing at pacific class. entry is about the same but they dont use transponders. in comparison for organisation, pmcc look like a monkey fucking a football.

try racing at wanganui. its $90 per CLASS

[roadracingoldfart]

Fuck i hate when people mouth off about shit they have no insight on.
Heres just a few points.

The marshals are paid and given food and travel assistance.
Its only $10.00 per cross entry.
The track hireage fee is huge for the club .
Ambulance fees have to be paid for them to attend all day.
The transponder money has nothing to do with Vic Club.
Its run by vaulenteers (sp) just for you to have a venue.
The option is to stay at home and save your money.

If you have the feeling of being ripped of then why dont you ask the committe to explain it to you instead of just starting a waste of time thread on this site, disruptive talk kills hobbies so easily so think about it.
Hell welcome to life buddy , it aint fair is it.
Are you a member of Vic Club? and if not, join and stand for the committee , they still need a few committe members to help out with running and holding the biggest , best run event on the motorcycling calendar.
Id like to ask what your reasons to enter the Vic Winter Series was and if you dont like the program then why did you send any money to enter.

[GIXser]

Fuck i hate when people mouth off about shit they have no insight on.
Heres just a few points.

The marshals are paid and given food and travel assistance.
Its only $10.00 per cross entry.
The track hireage fee is huge for the club .
Ambulance fees have to be paid for them to attend all day.
The transponder money has nothing to do with Vic Club.
Its run by vaulenteers (sp) just for you to have a venue.
The option is to stay at home and save your money.

If you have the feeling of being ripped of then why dont you ask the committe to explain it to you instead of just starting a waste of time thread on this site, disruptive talk kills hobbies so easily so think about it.
Hell welcome to life buddy , it aint fair is it.
Are you a member of Vic Club? and if not, join and stand for the committee , they still need a few committe members to help out with running and holding the biggest , best run event on the motorcycling calendar.
Id like to ask what your reasons to enter the Vic Winter Series was and if you dont like the program then why did you send any money


to answer your question
i entered when i didnt know there was gonna be 216 entrees (youre right i wouldnt have ,had i known!)
ps by all means introduce yourself on the day!!:yes:

catch ya there..

[GSVR]

I have no problem whatsoever with the Vic Club making shitloads of money as this will be put back into the club and sport.

The only concerns with the large entries are how well equipped the organisation is for copeing on raceday (but no doubt we will all find out on Saturday) and the quality of the racing for competitors.

[GIXser]

C'mon now Ed, dont make me call your proby officer.

So there's a shit load of entries, and a lot of money changing hands, I'm not sure if you've noticed bro, that's how life works. Someone has an idea, others like it, and pay to do it.

Dunno how much profit VMCC makes out of it, but if it's substantial, I think maybe the marshals should get something out of it. They give up a lot of time to do it.

And ya do get a free track day out of it, if you're a VMCC member ya know.

dude totally understand, but i think its got out of hand. its just too many people, and youre right Marshalls should and i believe (do) get paid
there are a lot of costs involved in running an event like this, but as i say i think its way to many entrees...
ps i f they dont pay their marshalls out of the money it would be criminal!!!

see ya there buster:Punk:


=Sketchy_Racer;1095180]Bad call man.

Honestly if you don't like it don't come. Obviously the other 215 people think it worth thier value.

Or IF you think the meeting is run badly, Why don't YOU step up to the mark, and offer help rather than have bitch about it??

Vic club do a great job at running a race series, hence it is now very popular. Clubs like these are what the country needs to get the MC racing scene back to health.

-Sketchy Glen

Hmmm, where did i say it was run badly ( read the thread first)
have no problem with the club apart from too many entrees......which in turn means 6 lap races or less

[scott411]

Fuck i hate when people mouth off about shit they have no insight on.
Heres just a few points.

The marshals are paid and given food and travel assistance.
Its only $10.00 per cross entry.
The track hireage fee is huge for the club .
Ambulance fees have to be paid for them to attend all day.
The transponder money has nothing to do with Vic Club.
Its run by vaulenteers (sp) just for you to have a venue.
The option is to stay at home and save your money.

If you have the feeling of being ripped of then why dont you ask the committe to explain it to you instead of just starting a waste of time thread on this site, disruptive talk kills hobbies so easily so think about it.
Hell welcome to life buddy , it aint fair is it.
Are you a member of Vic Club? and if not, join and stand for the committee , they still need a few committe members to help out with running and holding the biggest , best run event on the motorcycling calendar.
Id like to ask what your reasons to enter the Vic Winter Series was and if you dont like the program then why did you send any money to enter.


agree 100%,

i would presume anyone starting a thread like this has never actually helped a club run a meeting, get off your ass like the rest of the voluneteers down their and help a club, don't winge about it,
the only reason their is so many riders is because they run a good meeting, if they didn't people would not turn up

[Grub]

hmmm let me do the calculation 160 x 75 bucks and another 56 cross entered x 20 bucks ( roughly)+ transponders hire when is enough enough... lets have 300 people enter cos then the event organisers will fly in by private jet.. and wont have to bother driving their bentley...

It's posts like this that make me just want to say fuck it, why bother giving up my time. Perhaps this poster will stay away and make us all (including him) happy.

The transponders are nothing to do with the club, they are privately provided and funded. Perhaps if we do away with them this poster will give up his days to sit in the timekeeping box with a clipboard and stopwatch all day. Or of course, the club could just not bother with timing - that'd save time money and effort.

BTW dood, the club doesn't make a profit. The money goes back into racing and the equipment that supports the event. Like the 15 radios that help keep the circuit and everyone on it safe plus all the gear you see in the trailer PLUS how do you think the club funds the Scholarship for new riders, including bikes for them!

As you've discovered, all the other posters in this thread get it - thanks to them. Bah ... why am I wasting my breatth!

[GIXser]

It's posts like this that make me just want to say fuck it, why bother giving up my time. Perhaps this poster will stay away and make us all (including him) happy.

The transponders are nothing to do with the club, they are privately provided and funded. Perhaps if we do away with them this poster will give up his days to sit in the timekeeping box with a clipboard and stopwatch all day. Or of course, the club could just not bother with timing - that'd save time money and effort.

[COLOR="Red"]Bah ... why am I wasting my ......breatth!

yes why did you??

asfor the marshalls i am tottaly appreciative of their efforts to say the least!!!

update#### i have been informed that the marshalls cant get paid due to Osh's rules and regulations and i totaly accept and understand the implecation having had dealings with them myself#####

and for the record i am more than happy to marshall for a day to play my part provided entrees are kept to a certain level,,,

[HDTboy]

provided entrees are kept to a certain level,,,

mmmm, food.

What would you suggest to reduce the numbers of competitors?

Why would you want to reduce the number of competitors? Bit selfish isn't it?

I'm keen to see you get through a 6 lap race at Manfeild in 6 minutes.

I'd love to see racing occur more often, in order to thin the feilds a bit. If that was my aim. Perhaps you could encourage another club to run a winter series in the opposite weekends to Vicclub, so those with shitloads of money can race every fortnight, and the rest of us can race in one series
Personally I love having 30+ bike feilds

[bistard]

mmmm, food.

What would you suggest to reduce the numbers of competitors?

Why would you want to reduce the number of competitors? Bit selfish isn't it?

I'm keen to see you get through a 6 lap race at Manfeild in 6 minutes.

I'd love to see racing occur more often, in order to thin the feilds a bit. If that was my aim. Perhaps you could encourage another club to run a winter series in the opposite weekends to Vicclub, so those with shitloads of money can race every fortnight, and the rest of us can race in one series
Personally I love having 30+ bike feilds

Well,this used to happen,back in the days when the Suzuki series was about & was run by Tim Gibbes & the Vic Club almost folded,due to lack of entries,support & that was where the karts got invloved,to bolster numbers

[Nicksta]

hmmmm.....
I think the question GIXser raised is with so many bikes and entries, how do we get quality racing time for our money? If i pay my money and enter my class, drive down, spend on accommodation and other costs, only to not qualify in the top 35 as there are too many entries, what are you to do?
with a track day, entries are somewhat limited, how about limiting entries per class on a first in first served, with an allowance for no shows and crashes on the day, for optimum participation of the keen racers?

I guess at the end of the day, you have a maximum number of bikes in a race and a maximum number of classes and races per day, maybe we just have to do the math and figure out maximum number of entries?

[Flyno]

The vic club do an excellent job at making the rounds go smothly for us, and its better enjoying the day then winging bout not getting long sessions!
we all have to deal with it aswell!
More people bring the sport out of the dark for the rest of nz to enjoy

[Deano]

hmmmm.....
I think the question GIXser raised is with so many bikes and entries, how do we get quality racing time for our money?

Go nuts on the track.

[bistard]

Go nuts on the track.

Settle down there "Young Fella"
You just let us old guys keep up OK!!

[HDTboy]

hmmmm.....
I think the question GIXser raised is with so many bikes and entries, how do we get quality racing time for our money?

The faster everyone rides, the quicker the race schedule will be worked through, the more laps we can have in each race, or if everyone goes really really fast we might get an extra race each.


Simple: Ride faster

[Duke girl]

Great comment sketchy. No time for people who stand back and criticise instead of getting off their arses and have ago themselves at running a club and c how much money is out layed b4 beginning to make a profit. Cant handle the heat then get out of the kitchen.

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

Oh do please order my jet darling - cos at this point in time I have asked for a lift to Manfield and no replies.

Having spent the last 2 weeks organising all your entries - against great adversity - thank God I am a woman and I can multi task. Do you hear me moaning my arse off - I'm suppose to be in hospital right now - I bargained and compromised with my Dr that I would not ride my bike to Manfield and just give me drugs to see me through (hence why I need to find transport) so get on that phone prompt de suite baby - that means immediately - I will even settle for the Bently - chauffered by you sir??? - cos I aint gonna miss out on this weekend. I have enjoyed organising this.

Get a life sweetheart and pull ya head in. Isn't it wonderful so many people are interested in racing. Have you entered? - if so many entries frightens you - please do withdraw but don't expect me to refund your fees quickly.

I don't normally waste my precious time on fucktard threads like this.

Shit I enjoyed that rant.





216 confirmed entrees, are you kidding , yeah i know some will cross enter
but WTF,, ya get 3 races in one class (or thereabouts) a whole 6 minutes a session...whhhoooaaaaaaaa,, thank you

hmmm let me do the calculation 160 x 75 bucks and another 56 cross entered x 20 bucks ( roughly)+ transponders hire when is enough enough... lets have 300 people enter cos then the event organisers will fly in by private jet.. and wont have to bother driving their bentley..

fucken joke...

they should shorten the sessions to 4 minutes cos then they can fit another 85 odd racers in......

[FROSTY]

no the answer is easy --lets all of us decide notto crash --hrumph now I just need to take me own advice

[Deano]

Simple: Ride faster

And don't crash cause that wastes time too......:dodge:

Hey Ed - how much money have you spent on your motor ? :dodge: :dodge:

[HDTboy]

And don't crash cause that wastes time too......:dodge:
Smart arse

Hey Ed - how much money have you spent on your motor ? :dodge: :dodge:
Enough to make it go around Manfeild in under a minute

[Drew]

I'm with gixxer regarding the numbers, too large a field, equals carnage, but the only alternatives I can see, is teo day events, or limiting numbers.

I'm all for limiting numbers, and I'm not just talking about per class, I mean on the track at any time. If you're not fast enough to make it to the top thirty, you're not racing, it's simple. Half the people in each class shouldn't bloody be there anyway, for being too slow, or too fast in the case of clubmans, yes, I'm aware there is a cut off time, and if you go under it you get moved out of clubmans, but christ, there are people in F1 not doing 1.18m laps of the short track.

To clarify my earliewr post, I was having a laugh with a mate, dont lump me in with the rest of you jumping down his throat, his point is valid!

[steveyb]

Heh, what a cool thread!!
Bloody Mad Woman, you go girl!!!! My heart felt thanks to you and the other organisers. Having done that job in the past I never had to cope with that many entries (not to mention that I actually screwed my entry up but Mel Presidente has sorted it I hope).

I wanted to bring a bit of context to the argument, which in its way has some merit, but needs creative solutions rather than anonymous ranting.

A new mate of mine races standard stockcar at Palmy North. He spends, EVERY SATURDAY NIGHT OVER 6 MONTHS IN SUMMER, $1000 to race. He takes a good 5 days to fix and re-prepare the car and for that gets the great total of 8 MINUTES racing!!!

8 Minutes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! $1000 a night!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND, the promoter who runs these meetings takes home all the profits, in his pocket.

Feel hard done by now?

In Australia, UK, Spain, Italy, Japan, USA (?) having to qualify to race is normal. If you do not meet the qualifying standard, then you need to find a place and time to practice so that you can.

Transponders: Tim and Joan had the insight and took the risk to invest in that business. You seem to question the nature of business. In the aforementioned countries also, you MUST have your own transponder, rental is not an option.

I am in agreement that perhaps a limit of 35 riders per grid might be increased, but only to 40 or 42. Many more and the time differences between 1st and last gets too great and too many dangerous situations can occur.

As for the title of the thread, VMCC greed??, I say to you, please create a club, a club mind you, not a company, find volunteers and pay for circuit hire (if you can find the dates) etc etc etc. Yes, VMCC club might take in more than it spends on any one meeting, but then if it did not, then there would soon be no club and no meetings at all. Also, if you are a VMCC club member you have a free trackday in October, and this will be expanded if the profit increases. You have new high quality radios so that when you land on your blowhard arse, the ambulance can come and pick you up. The club has bought bikes to run a scholarship for novice riders, Taupo circuit costs in excess of $6000 a day to hire etc etc etc.

If the profit levels get too large then the VMCC committee will seek ways to disperse that profit to club members, club members only mind, not all and sundry who covets owning or racing a motorcycle.

To those riders who feel that the expense is too much, Stop doing it if that is the case. If you continue to race, then it clearly is a priority for you and good on you. There are any number of ways of mitigating the expenses, think laterally.

I am in 100% agreement with roadracingoldfart, 'Fuck i hate when people mouth off about shit they have no insight on.'

Enjoy

Steve

[FROSTY]

I've been reading this thread with interest.
Gixter I really can't see your point.
Seems to me you are saying "Hey I want more track time so cut the number of entrys itll give me more track time"
Reality is with 7 races per cycle there will only be 3 races per day.

Just do the sums dude--15 minutes per race (allowing for grid up/I warm up lap etc) -means 1 hour 40mins per cycle
4 cycles (1 practice and 3 races)
Allow the fact you have basicly 6.5 hours of RACE time
Ya just cant do a time warp deal mate.

[Clivoris]

I've been reading this thread with interest.
Gixter I really can't see your point.
Seems to me you are saying "Hey I want more track time so cut the number of entrys itll give me more track time"
Reality is with 7 races per cycle there will only be 3 races per day.

Just do the sums dude--15 minutes per race (allowing for grid up/I warm up lap etc) -means 1 hour 40mins per cycle
4 cycles (1 practice and 3 races)
Allow the fact you have basicly 6.5 hours of RACE time
Ya just cant do a time warp deal mate.

Dead right Frosty. The amount of track time we get has S.F.A. to do with the number of entries. Thanks to Steve and others for the contextual info too.
Gixser, what a shame you can't actively participate in the club committee and organisational side of things from Auckland. I'd send the club jet up for you on committee nights but it's already booked bringing the hookers, stimulants and caviar from hand picked locations around the globe.

[Deano]

I'm with gixxer regarding the numbers, too large a field, equals carnage, but the only alternatives I can see, is teo day events, or limiting numbers.

I'm all for limiting numbers, and I'm not just talking about per class, I mean on the track at any time. If you're not fast enough to make it to the top thirty, you're not racing, it's simple.

There is a limit of 35.



To clarify my earliewr post, I was having a laugh with a mate, dont lump me in with the rest of you jumping down his throat, his point is valid!

And I just taking the piss as usual but any valid point he made lost credibility by suggesting the reason behind large racing entries was greed.

SOME people may be making a profit from riders/racers entries but I doubt it is Vic Club.:innocent: :dodge:

[rustys]

:sick: Pretty hard on the VIC club there GIXser, i agree with all the flack your getting over it.
Regards to Steveyb's comments, my racing buddy used to race sidechairs at speedway, threw a lot of money at it over the years, his costs were high, like any motor sport, his races consisted of 3 laps in under a minute a lap x 3 races = 9 min racing, on a poxy little dirt track for the night. So he went tarmac racing for more track time.
Obviously you don't know the cost implications of running a meeting for a start.
The raceing scene is bloody healthy with this amount of entries and interest long may it continue.

Good on you B>M>W for the rant, and all the others out there.:rockon:

And HEADS up to all you VIC Club ORGANIZERS and all the VOLUNTEERS out there you do a FANTASTIC job FOR THE LOVE of your sport and ours

WE DON'T NEED TOSSER'S LIKE THIS

[roadracingoldfart]

Settle down there "Young Fella"
You just let us old guys keep up OK!!


You get in front of him and block his progress Barry and ill sneak up and give him a toe tap from behind :yes:

[Drew]

You get in front of him and block his progress Barry and ill sneak up and give him a toe tap from behind :yes:

I got your back deano, if he ankle taps ya, we'll see how he deals with two hundred and fifty kg's of FZR 750 rrsp bairing down on his arse!

[Skunk]

I know a way to limit entries. Raise the cost. Win-win.

[roadracingoldfart]

to answer your question
i entered when i didnt know there was gonna be 216 entrees (youre right i wouldnt have ,had i known!)
ps by all means introduce yourself on the day!!:yes:

catch ya there..


If you add the sums up you will find the following.......
7 classes with a max of 35 bikes per class = 245

Fark we have room for a few more bikes so keep the adverts going folks.
Not every class will have a full grid will it.? maybe with cross entries some will swell more than others but there is no other way to cap it without a qualifying rule set out in the supplimentary regs approved by MNZ and covered in the permit to run the event.

The program for the coming rounds are for various formats to add variety as for length and track options. The Vic Club has succeeded to give us variety to attract and keep our attention, it worked for me.
Round one was a bastard nobody could control but this is now round one this Sat so lets just accept whats already organised and take any worries / concerns to the Vic Club executive as i know they will be at Manfeild this Sat and if you are really wanting to change a situation you have to bitch or canvass the organ grinder and not the monkey.
Vic Club dont charge for spectators for reasons of cheaper track hire and the same reasons plus others they have no prize money but if we all want to just get on and race then we have to accept that others make the rules and we have to follow unless we have a say in the rule making.

Cheers Paul.

[roadracingoldfart]

I got your back deano, if he ankle taps ya, we'll see how he deals with two hundred and fifty kg's of FZR 750 rrsp bairing down on his arse!


OMG hes dragging that old thing out again lol. Did ya get brakes on it yet ???? See ya at COKE hehehe

[sidecar bob]

Jasus GIXser, i cant believe you are complaining about there being too many entries.
Sidecars had 19 on the grid at most national rounds this year, the most we have had in many years.
Imagine how we felt a few years ago when we MNZ were looking at dropping our class from the nationals if we couldnt promise 10 sidecars to front up, & we damn near couldnt.
Be happy that you have some people to race against, if you dont like that then hire a circiut mid week & rip around by yourself.

[Drew]

OMG hes dragging that old thing out again lol. Did ya get brakes on it yet ???? See ya at COKE hehehe
Yep, I've got another disk, a new clutch, and some other bits and peices, (big thanks to Bryce at Buckets and Bits, I dont care who says what, he's a great sort, and knows EVERYTHING!!) I'm confident, with full throttle, (no clutch slip), and the ability to stop, I'll be yet another second a lap quicker than you guys:yes:

[roadracingoldfart]

Yep, I've got another disk, a new clutch, and some other bits and peices, (big thanks to Bryce at Buckets and Bits, I dont care who says what, he's a great sort, and knows EVERYTHING!!) I'm confident, with full throttle, (no clutch slip), and the ability to stop, I'll be yet another second a lap quicker than you guys:yes:



BRING IT ON DUDE :shutup: :scooter:

Me and Deano sharing first and second ... you my friend a lonely :third:

2 more sleeps hehe haha.

[Drew]

BRING IT ON DUDE :shutup: :scooter:

Me and Deano sharing first and second ... you my friend a lonely :third:

2 more sleeps hehe haha.
Just to clarify, you'll have to wait till next month for a whopin, and that'll be F3 on an SV650 most likely, but in the interest of sportsmanship, if it happens, the bike will be totally stock standard, so you should be able to match it for pace.

[cowpoos]

216 confirmed entrees, are you kidding , yeah i know some will cross enter
but WTF,, ya get 3 races in one class (or thereabouts) a whole 6 minutes a session...whhhoooaaaaaaaa,, thank you

hmmm let me do the calculation 160 x 75 bucks and another 56 cross entered x 20 bucks ( roughly)+ transponders hire when is enough enough... lets have 300 people enter cos then the event organisers will fly in by private jet.. and wont have to bother driving their bentley..

fucken joke...

they should shorten the sessions to 4 minutes cos then they can fit another 85 odd racers in......
where did you find out the amount of people netered?? its not on the vic website?

[Deano]

where did you find out the amount of people netered?? its not on the vic website?

They're neutering us ? OMFG.

That's just too much. First all my money now my balls as well ?

[bistard]

I got your back deano, if he ankle taps ya, we'll see how he deals with two hundred and fifty kg's of FZR 750 rrsp bairing down on his arse!

This sounds like fun,could be all over by the end of practise then??
Then we can go to the Pub!!

[DEATH_INC.]

The issue is the lack of time we get on the track for what we pay, it's an expensive exersize from jaffaland.
Don't do it then is no answer, where else are we gonna go?
Organise your own event? Get real people.....
What about the cross entering thing? Could we stop it between f1-f2 and run the classes concurrently like clubmans a/b?(would I be right in assuming f1 is mostly f2 anyway?) That would allow the remaining races to be a bit longer...
Dunno, just an idea.....
Maybe do away with qualifying and have grid positions allocated by series standings like pmcc does, again freeing up more time....
I'm sure there are ways it can be done......