Melbourne shooting - would you ... ?

[janno]

... still step in if someone was in trouble after the Melbourne good samaritan was murdered?

Been a hot topic of conversation over here, I know I would still step in.

Mainly because

a) I have experienced what it is like when your body starts to die so that fear has been removed and

b) I'd hope someone would step in for me. Karma is contagious and all that.

Though I must admit, it would depend on when, where, who etc.

I wonder if anyone would have stepped in if it had been a young man being dragged by the hair instead of a young woman?

The shooter was told by his gang that they have disowned him. Not a fan of gangs at all, but at least that lot knew when to draw the line.

[chanceyy]

of course I would ... regardless ..I would like to think that most of us are still pretty decent human beings ..

& if i was in that situation & ppl turned the other cheek ... well I know how that would make me feel


death is one sure thing in life .. if its your time its your time ..

[SARGE]

without hesitation ...


that was someones child

[janno]

You've cheered me up. There's been so much talk over here about how this incident is going to change the way people help each other I was beginning to think the worst.

But it's probably a media beat up as usual.

[SARGE]

You've cheered me up. There's been so much talk over here about how this incident is going to change the way people help each other I was beginning to think the worst.

But it's probably a media beat up as usual.

im not from around here though .. we do shit differently back home.

[scumdog]

Without a hesitation:yes:

[Patrick]

have done so without hesitation both on and off the job... wouldn't change anything, even though the media will try to ruin the norm for all...

[KoroJ]

Yeah, I'd limp over and try to kick him with my good leg whilst trying to balance on it as well. He'd be laughing so much at the Monty Python show that he'd fall down and I'd have him, save the damsel, and remain a legend in my own mind.

[SARGE]

have done so without hesitation both on and off the job... wouldn't change anything, even though the media will try to ruin the norm for all...

i still say you guys need something more than a stun gun on duty..


thats just me though


problem is that if a civilian gets involved and snaps some little gang-banger douchebag in half, the full grunt of the law would most likely to fall on said civilian and this poor gang banger would get coddled as the "poor victim of this horrible beating" by the media


when the revolution starts, we should take out the lawyers and reporters FIRST

[jimbo600]

Without a hesitation:yes:

Bloody Oath I would. Without a second thought.

Anyway Scummy, I thought that you couldn't do anything of that nature while off duty.

[Hitcher]

problem is that if a civilian gets involved and snaps some little gang-banger douchebag in half, the full grunt of the law would most likely to fall on said civilian and this poor gang banger would get coddled as the "poor victim of this horrible beating" by the media

Recent events have shown that while nobody is "above the law" in such cases, the circumstances under which a "crime" may have been committed have a huge bearing on the outcome, e.g. the Auckland gun shop shooting case; the Mokau constable "drunk driving" case...

[janno]

You'd like it in Aus, Sarge.

The cops carry guns, and self defence is still allowed.

You might have heard about a female security guard who shot and killed a guy who robbed her.

She was prosecuted and found not guilty by way of self defence.

Good job.:Punk:

[janno]

Though have noticed, the cops are MUCH fatter here!

I guess you don't need to run much if your aim is good . . .

[jimbo600]

You'd like it in Aus, Sarge.

The cops carry guns, and self defence is still allowed.

You might have heard about a female security guard who shot and killed a guy who robbed her.

She was prosecuted and found not guilty by way of self defence.

Good job.:Punk:

Allowed to defend yourself here too. Section 48 of the crimes act I believe.

The guy in the gun shop wasn't charged with the shooting, but rather having a loaded gun behind the counter.

[SARGE]

Bloody Oath I would. Without a second thought.

Anyway Scummy, I thought that you couldn't do anything of that nature while off duty.

in the States, Police officers are considered to be 'on duty" 24/7 and they carry their sidearms 24/7 also. if they witness a crime in progress they are bound by law to intervene. I didnt thing the NZPD would be a 9-5 gig either until i called them about my missing son..

[SARGE]

You'd like it in Aus, Sarge.

The cops carry guns, and self defence is still allowed.

You might have heard about a female security guard who shot and killed a guy who robbed her.

She was prosecuted and found not guilty by way of self defence.

Good job.:Punk:



ive been to Oz .. at Customs, they asked me if i had any criminal convictions and i said " No.. i didnt know it was still compulsory"

[jimbo600]

in the States, Police officers are considered to be 'on duty" 24/7 and they carry their sidearms 24/7 also. if they witness a crime in progress they are bound by law to intervene. I didnt thing the NZPD would be a 9-5 gig either until i called them about my missing son..

There was some BS a little while ago surround the cop while off duty responded to a road accident and saved a guys life. However HP at the scene breath tested him an he failed. The cops here will probably correct me but I believe PNHQ came up with a police that off duty cops were not allowed to act outside of rostered hours. Police Association put the boot in though. Something like that anyway.

I'm sure that any cop here in NZ would do the bizzo while either on or off duty. I've had an off duty cop give me a bit of a chew over pulling a wheelie and it wasn't about how good it was either.

[Patrick]

problem is that if a civilian gets involved and snaps some little gang-banger douchebag in half, the full grunt of the law would most likely to fall on said civilian and this poor gang banger would get coddled as the "poor victim of this horrible beating" by the media.

Nah... reasonable force in self defence of another...

[SARGE]

problem is that if a civilian gets involved and snaps some little gang-banger douchebag in half, the full grunt of the law would most likely to fall on said civilian and this poor gang banger would get coddled as the "poor victim of this horrible beating" by the media

Nah... reasonable force in self defence of another...



is that BEFORE or AFTER the trial?

[Patrick]

Bloody Oath I would. Without a second thought.

Anyway Scummy, I thought that you couldn't do anything of that nature while off duty.

There were noises afoot, but commonsense prevails:gob: ... Bosses say intervene if you have to but hand it over to on duty staff ASAP... all common sense and how it always was, tis business as usual.

[Patrick]

Though have noticed, the cops are MUCH fatter here!

I guess you don't need to run much if your aim is good . . .

Just to the donut shop.... Oops... does this comment of mine count as a repost??

[Patrick]

is that BEFORE or AFTER the trial?

no offence, so no trial...

[janno]

The fattest cops of all are in the Northern Territory.

They've been in the good paddock up there for a while by the looks.:dodge: :dodge:

[SARGE]

no offence, so no trial...

what is the yardstick for "Reasonable Force"?

what many seem reasonable to me may be "HOLY SHIT" to someone else..

[Skyryder]

what is the yardstick for "Reasonable Force"?

what many seem reasonable to me may be "HOLY SHIT" to someone else..

Ultimately it is case by case for a jury to decide.


Skyryder

[scumdog]

Who is fucking around with peoples quotes on this thread???????????????

[Biff]

In a heart beat.

[SARGE]

Ultimately it is case by case for a jury to decide.


Skyryder

yup


case closed

[avgas]

Done stupid things like stick up for things before. Would do it again.
It fucken hurts (if you live), but somethings should be stood up for.
Thankfully i have never been stabbed or shot. Been cut though.

[SPman]

Though have noticed, the cops are MUCH fatter here! I guess you don't need to run much if your aim is good . . . EVERYONE is much fatter here... I wouldn't think thrice!

[janno]

EVERYONE is much fatter here... I wouldn't think thrice!

In Aus you mean?

I think Aus n UnZud are running neck and neck on that one.

Or not running, as the case may be . . . waddling might be a better word.

[SPman]

In Aus you mean? Yep - although the WA cops aren't quite as lardy........

[Patrick]

what is the yardstick for "Reasonable Force"?

what many seem reasonable to me may be "HOLY SHIT" to someone else..

Laymans terms... to the average normal person ( if you can find one of them...)

Did the prick deserve it? yes or no...

[scumdog]

In Aus you mean?

I think Aus n UnZud are running neck and neck on that one.

Or not running, as the case may be . . . waddling might be a better word.

Piss off!
I'm old - and it's genetics I tells ya!!

[janno]

Piss off!
I'm old - and it's genetics I tells ya!!

Genetics hey? Mine's chips 'n chocolate . . .

I've been following the SeaFood diet this past month, and it shows. :innocent: