Accident-damaged bike or ex-race bike?

[orangeback]

Here 's one to debate on
Would you rather buy a Accident Damage bike v Ex Race bike
pro's and con's
At least with an accident crashed bike it probbly only been crashed once vs numerious times.:yes:
ex race bikes usually the body works mint, since its been shelfed since new, :dodge:
allmost everybody must have a view on this ,as i know ive bought a bike(GSXR N) in good faith from a shop to find that the bike had been crashes quite badly into a mx5 killing someone, (passanger of car) that i didnt find out till after i low sided it ut side home
This is along the line that im thinking. Let the debate start :rockon:

[Steam]

Ex race bike has been revved and stressed to hell, then discarded cos it's too fukt to race any more.
Accident Damaged bike has just been crashed, once fixed it's good as a regular normal road bike.

[orangeback]

Ex race bike has been revved and stressed to hell, then discarded cos it's too fukt to race any more.
Accident Damaged bike has just been crashed, once fixed it's good as a regular normal road bike.
Good point there as race bikes they only seam to keep for 1-2 seasions then flick them on whille they can get good Coin for them , and the current model , you dont see Stroud run the same bike for two seasions,

[marty]

speaking of stroud's bikes - does anyone know anything about the ex-stroud k4 gixxer thou for sale on tardme? with the yoshi internals? looks pretty sharp, offered for $15k

[Colapop]

It doesn't matter where it's had an accident. It matters what condition it's in.

[onearmedbandit]

speaking of stroud's bikes - does anyone know anything about the ex-stroud k4 gixxer thou for sale on tardme? with the yoshi internals? looks pretty sharp, offered for $15k

Been on there for a very very long time. Started off at over $20,000 if my memory serves me well. Don't know anything else.


It doesn't matter where it's had an accident. It matters what condition it's in.

What he said.

[Sensei]

Friend here has Andrew Strouds K1 race bike which has been put back to road spec still has all the Yoshy goodys inside apart from the Yoshy cams , but he want let me ride it for some bloody reason to see how well it goes :nono:

[The Stranger]

I have LB's old K3 GSXR. Bought it with 30000 on it and it now has 55,000 on it.
When I got it both crash bungs were ground off and one melted.
I always planned to replace the suspension anyway and did steering head and wheel bearings and brakes. Just replaced the chain and sprockets now too.
Motor is sweet as and given the price I am happy as hell with the purchase.

[Headbanger]

I wouldn't buy just any race bike, But if I had the spare cash, It came from a fully flush race team, and she was one season old.

Then maybe.

But some if not the vast majority of race bikes have had all the life squeezed out of them in a very short span, And thats not just the engine, But the entire package, frames,brakes,suspension.

I have only raced dirt,But no bike I have raced as been the same after I have finished....

[kickingzebra]

With race bikes, you generally keep them in top notch condition, brakes are serviced and pads changed far more regularly than any road bike, bearings are generally monitored, and torqued. The only thing that could potentially suffer is the axles and lock nuts and adjusters. The motor, in general, will be far better looked after than any road bike.

How many ex race bikes do you hear of blowing up? bugger all. If they are going to blow up, they will do it on the track at the redline, not tootling along to the corner dairy at 120.

You are getting a cheaper better deal than a crashed bike somebody is trying to make some coin on, and chances are high, that you will genuinely be helping a racer stay on the racetrack, which helps avoid senseless stupidity on the road.

Don't forget, that racing is what these bikes are aimed at, so if they will cope with the rigours of track life, then the road will be a doddle, unless you really like bouncing off the limiter in first and second.

[Coyote]

If Stroud's bike is still on trademe by the time I'm 18 (November) and if I'm able to get the money from the bank, I'll get it.

Do I have the skill to handle 180hp? No. Will I ever have the skill? Not for a few years if that. Will it be fun trying? Hell yeah!

Yes I'm nieve but I choose to ignore that.

[R1madness]

speaking of stroud's bikes - does anyone know anything about the ex-stroud k4 gixxer thou for sale on tardme? with the yoshi internals? looks pretty sharp, offered for $15k

Mate its a good bike. Yes it is an ex racer but from memory (its a bit strained but i think i can remember back that far) it was not crashed during the season and it was a really strong runner. Does it come with the road as well as the race gear? If so it is a really good buy. Road and track days. Yahoooooo.

[FROSTY]

I must add theres EX and ex in both cases.
at one extreme a bikes been snotted hard and the guy has massaged the thing back straight enough to get a WOF -wrinkled forks bent subframe and all. The other extreme is a hobbyist who bought the wreck and has not compromised in the rebuild
same with the ex race bike. One extreme is a bike bought and used for one season.The team has bolted on al the good gear-suspension/exhaust/rearsets etc --Thousands of dollars worth --AND all the suspension setup done.
The other extreme is a bike thats passed through several sets of hands -never maintained and slowly deteriorating -loosing bits n bobs along the way.
In a nutshell --treat an ex race bike or ex smashed up bike the same as you would anything else -Look it over propperly.Ask pointed questions,dont be afraid to get it checked out

[imdying]

I'm not sure I'd want Andrew Strouds ex race bike... if there's one bike that has been raped, that's gotta be it :rofl: Good chance it has been well maintained though... decisions eh :)

[Harry the Barstard]

Don't forget, that racing is what these bikes are aimed at, so if they will cope with the rigours of track life, then the road will be a doddle, unless you really like bouncing off the limiter in first and second.


This is right. my 05 ZX6rr is ex race. The oil was changed after every race, the suspension has been up graded (front white power shocks installed) etc. Plastic is in mint condition, granted due to not being on the bike since it came from japan. So basicly i have a cosmeticly mint 05 sports bike with upgraded goodies with 3,500 K's on the clock. Ok so the bike has been raced, but when they were designing the bike thats what they had in mind for it. Thay didnt think right we need a good commuter then made the ZX6RR. So in summary i reckon not ideal but not a huge drama either.

Ok, so it's not ideal that shes been raced but i got the bike for a great price (it was the cheepest 05 with the lowest k's). Still gotta be better than bent chassis and all the other nasties that supprise you when your replacing or servicing a random part.

[Toast]

But some if not the vast majority of race bikes have had all the life squeezed out of them in a very short span, And thats not just the engine, But the entire package, frames,brakes,suspension

Suspension: I don't really agree that racing promotes worse wear on the suspension than road riding.

I had a road bike which had little resistance in the first part of the front suspension stroke (and thus excessive dive under brakes that couldn't be tuned out) because it had been ridden around Japan for 40,000kms on highways, hitting cats eyes, and only ever using that top 20% of the suspension's stroke.

With a race bike, the suspension deals with big forces, but does a lot less kms, and it uses the full range of its motion, meaning more even wear...so even if it is a bit worn, it still feels better than the above mentioned road bikes, and will respnd to hard road riding better.

Frames: Unless crashed in such a way as to damage it...hard use won't wear it or make it bend more.

Brakes: Yep, they will wear out, but it's probably the easiest thing to check the condition of on the entire bike.

Engines: Debatable, but as far as usage goes, as mentioned already, these bikes are made to be revved to the heavens. Maintenance? I change the oil and filter in my race bike after 2 days of use at the longest, using quality fully synthetic oil. It will also go through less cold starts in a year than the average road bike would go through in a fortnight.

[N4CR]

super bikes and the like have engines designed for racing and raping. you get a more rooted engine babying them around - carbon buildup and all that crap that you get. race engines well looked after oil changes and stuff like that. my zxr250 had been thrashed worse than a race bike would a few times (read 180+k for 30 mins pinned throttle almost at redline in 5th-6th etc) and that didn't get oil changed each time i did a crazy run like that.. infact it almost changed itself as the oil got so hot it pissed outta the breather and pooled every time we stopped for fuel....

frame wise well a crashed bike you need to inspect the frame.... very carefully! crashed bike is never the same. might just be me but once you crash a bike it's never the same... probably in my mind but yeah. most race bikes get binned. frame wise they'd have more operating shocks than a single restorable write off bike.... but still.. be more protected and drops taken into account for the race usage scenario (read frame sliders and ****).

so yeah all in all i'd go race bike cus it'll be worked/modded and better engine most probably! crashed bikes are cheaper though and you can make some phat streetfighters or whatever outta them.

as frost-t said.. inspect it and make your call from there.

[orangeback]

not many time i have ever go out to the track and not see a crashed race bike, in some way , i know of some that go down three / four time in a seasion (B Marshal for Tripple R) for example

[kickingzebra]

three or four times in a season? the best riders can do that in a day... just ask nicko and jay and if they are really talented, then in one race, just like my hero hdtboy

[Gixxer 4 ever]

I had the 96 Craig Sherriffs bike for 3 years. Got it at 35k and sold it at 81k. Never gave me any problem. Was a great bike to ride and was strong when I sold it. I have the pic's of it crashed on the track and all. As long as they are serviced well and warmed up before they are thrashed to the max they are great.
A bike that is nannaed will die long before one that has worked for a living. IMHO

[Kflasher]

It doesn't matter where it's had an accident. It matters what condition it's in.

I would have to agree, the condition it's (they) are in, as every thing is rebuildable 'within reason'.

[sAsLEX]

three or four times in a season? the best riders can do that in a day... just ask nicko and jay and if they are really talented, then in one race, just like my hero hdtboy

I think he meant session, more like Nicko, dropping three times and still winning?