Bloody tenants - Advice needed!!

[Patrick]

We are not of wealth, but have a mortgaged rental as a future nest egg for our kids (and us too I suppose when we are old and crusty...). We are fairly new to the landlord game.

Awesome tenants until this last lot. Moved in in Sept 06, have not paid rent recently for 10 weeks, :gob: but managed to get a WINZ payout for the first five weeks, :gob: :gob: :gob: so we were all square back then, but they are out to 5 weeks behind again as we speak, without paying a cent themselves since.

After the first weeks rent was missed in this latest 5 weeks arrears round, we gave them the 10 day letter to rectify. After that 10 day period, we applied to the Tenancy Tribunal only for TT to send it to "mediation," :shit: which was a further week off. There were promises promises etc etc, but nothing....

Just had that mediation meeting today (now 5 weeeks behind), and it turns out that the tenants ("conveniently?") went to the wrong address, even tho the address is clear on the letter they sent to us both.:shutup:

Now, the mediator sends it to the "Adjudicator" at the court for a hearing, which won't happen for another 10 days. By then, assuming they won't pay, the rent will be 7 weeks overdue on that day, assuming they can get us in on that 10th day...

The adjudicator will order possession of the property to us and we can then give them the boot, immediately, and orders will be made for rent arrears and costs.

Courts advise we can only apply to the Court (after a further 48 hours after the Adjudicators ruling), for an order for them to be bought before the court to assess their means to pay and/or to seek a distress warrant so we can seize the new car they have just bought, which was bought coincidentally on the day before the first day of rent due was missed!!!:shit:

Being an old schooler, I just want to go around and pick them up by the scruff and throw them out the door right now. (I am happy to leave it closed as I do so and pay for the damage afterward myself, as I would consider it money bloody well spent!!!), but the law says I can't do that.:zzzz:

Landlords appear to have little rights, tenants have all the rights, can stay and drag it all out, then disappear if they want to and not pay, as without any forwarding address, the bailiffs won't be able to serve documents on them for the rent arrears etc..

We know where they are right now. The car is there right now. Anyone know of anything I have missed and of what I can do to get on to them now instead of later, while we know where they and their car is right now?

I find the Tenancy Act dead boring to read but have picked out the points I need to know so far.

Does anyone else have any real suggestions???

Don't tempt me with KB parties on their back lawn (which could actually be arranged, as the seperate rear section is actually part of the land title, but not part of the tenancy...) or with middle of the night visits by some of our Armed Forces allies....:shutup:

We have got on to this as soon as possible and already they have been able to drag it out to 7 weeks by the time the Adjudicator gets around to it, by following the law... What an arse!!!!

[98tls]

First thing i would do is give them notice..........90 days i think isnt it.......second thing i would do is get off here and go take there car,if its worth anything...park it somewere and if they dont pay arrears sell it in bits to a wrecker to get a bit back......if they do pay return it...........

[chanceyy]

well crap that has to suck .. pity your not in this area .. I am an excellent tenant .. may be moving again soon .. & with work stuff going on .. + its gonna be two weeks before part arrives for bike aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


so yeah i understand your frustration

[onearmedbandit]

Hmmm, if you could somehow 'prove' they were using the premises for illegal purposes (say growing or dealing weed) yuo could probably get them kicked out quicker. Don't know anyone with access to 'confiscated drugs' do you...?

[DMNTD]

My tenant farked me about...I gave her 6 weeks notice after I grabbed an item valued at more than what was owed plus I made sure that it was something the tenant wanted back as I preferred the money over said item.

[Dargor]

I suggest you go there at 6am saturday morning and mow the lawns. If you can do it everyday of the week,thats better but just saturday will probably do. Make them want to leave.

[Jabez]

I have had to send several 10 day letters, but so far have not had to go through the tribunal...

I would strongly suggest that for your next tenant you do a credit check...that should reduce the chances of this happening again.

You are right, the law is weighted toward the tenant.

[onearmedbandit]

I suggest you go there at 6am saturday morning and mow the lawns. If you can do it everyday of the week,thats better but just saturday will probably do. Make them want to leave.

Against the law. A landlord has to give notice he's coming around and the tenants have to accept.

[Madness]

I would have thought that someone in your line of work would have highly tuned "persuasion" skills.

Two things that would prompt me to move quickly (that came to mind) are serious wastewater problems and ghosts. Go over there wearing a white sheet and throw some shit around while making "woo, woo" noises.

[Patrick]

First thing i would do is give them notice..........90 days i think isnt it.......second thing i would do is get off here and go take there car,if its worth anything...park it somewere and if they dont pay arrears sell it in bits to a wrecker to get a bit back......if they do pay return it...........

Yeah, but in 10 days time, I can arse them out the following day instead of waiting for 90 from the date of the notice...


My tenant farked me about...I gave her 6 weeks notice after I grabbed an item valued at more than what was owed plus I made sure that it was something the tenant wanted back as I preferred the money over said item.

That is the problem... "legally" you cant... the only thing they have of value is the car, and I bet that is financed to the balls. Good on ya for doing it tho.


I suggest you go there at 6am saturday morning and mow the lawns. If you can do it everyday of the week,thats better but just saturday will probably do. Make them want to leave.

I'm a shift worker... hehehehe... can do lawns at 2am, 4am, whatever... but... they are supposed to be doing that too and aren't, the pricks!!!


I have had to send several 10 day letters, but so far have not had to go through the tribunal...

I would strongly suggest that for your next tenant you do a credit check...that should reduce the chances of this happening again.

You are right, the law is weighted toward the tenant.

You're lucky... and so right! Got told about credit chq today...

[jafar]

Tennants I had left me with $40,000 worth of damage when I finally got them out . won't ever do the landlord thing again.
The rules are in their favour.
Once you have gone through the courts then you can start getting things more into your favour , but you have to dot every I & cross every T. Otherwise you will have to start the whole thing again.
When you have the judgement in your favour the courts can (& will) take the money from their earnings.
Best thing you can do is get a lawyer !!!!!!!!!

[Patrick]

Against the law. A landlord has to give notice he's coming around and the tenants have to accept.

I could give them notice of the lawns being done at 2am, 4am.... daily...:innocent:


I would have thought that someone in your line of work would have highly tuned "persuasion" skills.

Two things that would prompt me to move quickly (that came to mind) are serious wastewater problems and ghosts. Go over there wearing a white sheet and throw some shit around while making "woo, woo" noises.

Bwahahahaha... persuasion skills are in action... and yep, 22 years worth of fine tuning.

[Patrick]

Tennants I had left me with $40,000 worth of damage when I finally got them out . won't ever do the landlord thing again.
The rules are in their favour.
Once you have gone through the courts then you can start getting things more into your favour , but you have to dot every I & cross every T. Otherwise you will have to start the whole thing again.
When you have the judgement in your favour the courts can (& will) take the money from their earnings.
Best thing you can do is get a lawyer !!!!!!!!!

Although I can bill them for the lawyer costs, (which they may not pay anyhow...???) I still have to fork out the $$ in the meantime. Can't afford to so am relying on my "law knowledge" so far...

Tenants do not know what I do for a job... am keeping that one up my sleeve for now....:innocent:

[Nasty]

I have only been "done"by one set of tenants ... and I found them later and they paid a substantial amount of what they owed .. the thing is we don't have many rights .... we just have to do what you have done and work the system with stealth ... I have now four properties on my books .. the thing is to rid yourself of these ones .. and with the next lot gut feeling, intuition and reference checks may help. :(

[Patrick]

Hmmm, if you could somehow 'prove' they were using the premises for illegal purposes (say growing or dealing weed) yuo could probably get them kicked out quicker. Don't know anyone with access to 'confiscated drugs' do you...?

You trying to score? Ahhh... :doh: advice...!!! Thanks!!

Have already been in and looked around (I mean "inspected the property"). Nada!

[Jabez]

Against the law. A landlord has to give notice he's coming around and the tenants have to accept.

Yes to the first part, no to the second.

from Tenancy Tribunal cases in April 2007 NZ property mag.
page 14
s48(2) - Consent of tenant not necessary where appropriate notice of entry given.
Smith v Wisnewski TT462/04 Palmerston Nth 30 June 2004.

[jafar]

Although I can bill them for the lawyer costs, (which they may not pay anyhow...???) I still have to fork out the $$ in the meantime. Can't afford to so am relying on my "law knowledge" so far...

Tenants do not know what I do for a job... am keeping that one up my sleeve for now....:innocent:

Don't piss about ..... get a lawyer

the local P.I. can do a check on them ...... & keep tabs on them too for a small fee ... Comes in handy if / when they do a runner

[Ghost_Bullet]

All great fun uh, I have just recently ended being a landlord, we have rented our property for the past 11 years, and A1 ++++ perfect tentants, untill last June 06. A couple of guys moved in, all was well and happy, paying and doing the right things.... Nov-Dec came and rent went all jerky, went round and told them to sort it. After xmas all went real bad, no rent, excuse after excuse, gave them notice to vacate, found all sorts of shit gone bad, shot gun hole in lounge, broken windoe, locks not working, but best of all evidence of a major Hydropnics thing going on. All the wardrobes and one half of the double garage.
Went through the tenancy T' and really got no where.
Since sold the property and counted it a lesson'

Some people are just random with no conscience.

Good luck in gettin ya money...

[Patrick]

Don't piss about ..... get a lawyer

the local P.I. can do a check on them ...... & keep tabs on them too for a small fee ... Comes in handy if / when they do a runner

You good for a loan??? Already forked out $900 just to keep the mortgage going. Can't afford lawyer, wife works at law firm and they say I have done all I can at this point... but they aren't tenancy experts I suppose...

[u4ea]

The laws for Landlords are sucky........It should be called "The Squatters Tribunal"...you might get $5 a week out of them once its gone to court...

[Lias]

Tennants I had left me with $40,000 worth of damage when I finally got them out . won't ever do the landlord thing again.
The rules are in their favour.



Don't piss about ..... get a lawyer

the local P.I. can do a check on them ...... & keep tabs on them too for a small fee ... Comes in handy if / when they do a runner

Had a fat bitch on the DPB and her screaming little shits trash my parents house to the tune of about 30 grand... I used contacts of mine to track her down and told my mum where she was just so mum coul get the keys.. My mums too nice thou she wouldnt let me put the hard word on. She just sold the house and swore never to ever be a landlord again.

I'm guessing patrick is probably fairly above board given his profession and this isnt an option but seriously the only language people like that understand are fear and violence. Heck as a cop i'm sure he knows some nice scary thugs.. get them to pay a visit to and put the fear of god into em. I know a few blokes like barry the baptist, how about you?

"If you don't want to be counting the fingers you haven't got, I suggest you get that back rent.. Quick!"

[FROSTY]

Patric --You "may" be able to put a security over their car.It won't prevent them from buggering off without paying you but it will mean if they go to sell the car down the track you will have an address to serve em disputes paperwork on em.
--Sorry mate er bitter experience here

[jafar]

you could always get your workmates to do a bust on the place :dodge:

[Patrick]

The laws for Landlords are sucky........It should be called "The Squatters Tribunal"...you might get $5 a week out of them once its gone to court...

If that is what it takes, then so be it... but I'm hoping seize the car and be counting the cash very soon after...


I'm guessing patrick is probably fairly above board given his profession and this isnt an option but seriously the only language people like that understand are fear and violence. Heck as a cop i'm sure he knows some nice scary thugs.. get them to pay a visit to and put the fear of god into em. I know a few blokes like barry the baptist, how about you?

"If you don't want to be counting the fingers you haven't got, I suggest you get that back rent.. Quick!"

Certainly could call in some favours, but I know nothing, of course...:innocent:


Patric --You "may" be able to put a security over their car.It won't prevent them from buggering off without paying you but it will mean if they go to sell the car down the track you will have an address to serve em disputes paperwork on em.
--Sorry mate er bitter experience here

Wil look in to that too, thanks! Baycorp as well... just to really screw them getting anything...


you could always get your workmates to do a bust on the place :dodge:

"Inspected" the house tonight... nothing, nada...

[0arbreaka]

sounds like youve got the hard end of the bargain here, one thing I would recomend doing is giving them their notice of eviction and then take them to court for the unpaid rent, sure you'll probably get something like 10 buks a week if you come out on top but atleast it'll be better than the zilch your currently getting.
If all else im sure you could keep a close eye on them especially when youre on duty... undoubtebly youd find something eventually.

[Hitcher]

I once worked for Housing New Zealand. At least HNZ is able to get WINZ to put an "order on benefit" towards rental arrears, which private landlords cannot. But the whole Tenancy Tribunal process is painfully slow. Look at today's news about that lovely lady and her nine sons in Owairaka. Bless them. All that's needed now is the Bloody Labour Gummint to close off a few residential property tax breaks. And people wonder why I'm not interested in residential property investment. Good luck!

[Ghost_Bullet]

And people wonder why I'm not interested in residential property investment. Good luck!

Yup with interest rates and the rest of it, why bother... I did just that. most of the money is now in commercial property, less worry... the government in there right mind would not push closing that loophole... then again, look where they went with the smackin thing.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

I once worked for Housing New Zealand. At least HNZ is able to get WINZ to put an "order on benefit" towards rental arrears, which private landlords cannot. But the whole Tenancy Tribunal process is painfully slow. Look at today's news about that lovely lady and her nine sons in Owairaka. Bless them. All that's needed now is the Bloody Labour Gummint to close off a few residential property tax breaks. And people wonder why I'm not interested in residential property investment. Good luck!

When you get your court order you take that to work & income fill some forms out and you can put an order on there benifit any one can do this. And they can also tell you where they are. But you have to have the papers from the court to do this talk to court registra.

[sAsLEX]

You are right, the law is weighted toward the tenant.

Got to love NZ!

Land of the bludger and criminal with the law on their side!

Family has had many issues with tenants ruining houses but what can you do ?

[Grahameeboy]

I would serve Notice......do the Tribunal thing........get credit checked tenants via Real Estate Agents.......all the time they are there it is costing you money....sometimes you have to spend money to make money.

Also, you can get Landlord Protection Insurance... www.rentsure.co.nz

I would also in a nice way let them know what you do for a living....I dunno call them and give them your work number to call you back on "Hello Police"

It is a crazy system.....but you will win in the end.

[bistard]

Well Patrick,there has been some good advice on here,I guess I have been lucky with our rentals & not had to endure any of this sort of shit
I would be very tempted to turn up in a patrol car & uniform,then ask for an explaination of wtf is going on & see what reaction you get

[MSTRS]

Tenants like this have been practising their art for years. They will know to the Nth degree what they can get away with. Can you clamp the car? Protecting yourself shouldn't be so hard.

[Patrick]

one thing I would recomend doing is giving them their notice of eviction and then take them to court for the unpaid rent, sure you'll probably get something like 10 buks a week if you come out on top but atleast it'll be better than the zilch your currently getting.
If all else im sure you could keep a close eye on them especially when youre on duty... undoubtebly youd find something eventually.

They would shit themselves if they knew what I do for a living... then again, they may have received a speeding ticket recently and might wreak havoc in the insides of the house... it's a fine line...!!!


At least HNZ is able to get WINZ to put an "order on benefit" towards rental arrears,

He is on ACC and she earns nothing...


When you get your court order you take that to work & income fill some forms out and you can put an order on there benifit any one can do this. And they can also tell you where they are. But you have to have the papers from the court to do this talk to court registra.

This is the plan so far, except for WINZ as they are on ACC.... courts can't do anything until 48 hours after the Adjudicators ruling...


I would serve Notice......do the Tribunal thing........get credit checked tenants via Real Estate Agents.......Also, you can get Landlord Protection Insurance... www.rentsure.co.nz

I would also in a nice way let them know what you do for a living....I dunno call them and give them your work number to call you back on "Hello Police"


90 days to end tenancy, but tribunal can order possession back in 9 days now, and kick them out the following if necessary... Unsure about telling them about my occupation...see above...


I would be very tempted to turn up in a patrol car & uniform,then ask for an explaination of wtf is going on & see what reaction you get

Tempting... but run the risk of "using my position for personal gain..."


Can you clamp the car? Protecting yourself shouldn't be so hard.

This is the plan... but can't do so until 48 hours after the adjudicators ruling. Protecting yourself is damn near impossible and a long drawn out sucky system one has to follow. :bash: :angry2: :brick:

[Hitcher]

You could always use the tried and true "Westie eviction"...

[Grahameeboy]

Guatemala 2007 • 10 mins • Director: Steven Schnoor • Subtitled

On January 8th and 9th 2007, hundreds of police and soldiers in Guatemala forcibly evicted the inhabitants of several communities who were living on lands that a Guatemalan military government had granted to Canadian mining company INCO in 1965. Local indigenous populations claim the land to be theirs, and are opposed to the exploitation of resources by overseas corporation. With the force of the army and police, company workers evict the community from their family homes.

[Macktheknife]

Sounds like you have done things the right way Patrick, nothing much else to do. You could try talking to a CAB lawyer and registering an interest against the car, stops them selling the car or obtaining finance if used as security.
I would also suggest doing some research on their prior addresses, get in touch with previous landlords and see what their experiences were, might give you some insight into behaviour patterns. Might also find they want to know where they are now.... collective action perhaps, blacklisting in area, all kinds of possibilities.
You could also name and shame, you might be surprised who knows them.
Good luck with getting this sorted mate, keep us informed.

[janno]

This idea will probably really get your back up, but it's effective.

Friend of a friend is a professional landlord and has only had one major problem over many years. These people had taken over their friend's lease without his knowledge and then failed to pay a few months later. He decided the quickest way to get the lowlifes out asap was to pay them to leave!!!

He paid them something like $800 to be out in 10 days, and poof, they were gone. He justified it as being the quickest and cheapest way to get the buggers out without dragging it through the courts. Was two weeks rent I believe.

Sticks in the craw I know but if you put ethics aside it makes sense. Who cares if it's rewarding them for their behaviour, it gets them gone fast and they are no longer your problem.

PS He does credit and police checks on all his tennants, with their permission. The good ones have nothing to hide so don't mind, apparently.

[Steam]

It's amazing that even a police officer has little power in this circumstance. There's something wrong with this system eh.

The way my landlord protected himself was by having us on a periodic lease, with a two-week notice period. I think it was two weeks. The legal minimum anyway.

We had to give two weeks notice if we were to move out, he had to give us two weeks notice if he wanted us out. (For ANY reason, no reason needed to be given.)
It was a good system, gave everybody flexibility, but I suppose it increases the uncertainty of income supply for the landlord.
Fixed term leases like we have now, I don't like them. Everyone's trapped in the system.

Just something to keep in mind for the next time.
Good luck!

[Maha]

On January 8th and 9th 2007, hundreds of police in Guatemala forcibly evicted the inhabitants

Is that Guatemala Devonport?....wondered why you looked homeless last time i saw you...<_<

[cynna]

we had my sisters half sister in our self contained sleep out. we never really knew her before she moved in but she ripped us off

we let her stay rent free for first few weeks because she never had a job - she never told us she was on the sickness benefit. she managed to get 3 jobs in the 4 months she was with us but only stayed a day or 2 at each one. we took her to winz and managed to get some rent back paid as soon as that came thru i took the keys off her and told her to get the fuck out

in the end we got a trashed sleepout, massive cell ph bill, still finding out now whats missing, place reeks of smoke, used the back window as an ashtray, hairdye all thru the carpet, moudly food, broken plates and glasses etc.

i tried to get info on what my rights where - u basically have none. except we didnt have a tenancy agreement so it wasnt so bad. she she owes a fair bit of money but i have here precious guitar

what fucked me off the most was that she kept quitting jobs and winz did nothing. they even back paid the rent from the money she was getting as an accomadation supplement but never passed on to us. people are never gonna change when winz is just supporting them....

[Scouse]

Your a cop plant some "P" in the house send the "D's" around viola they get re housed in a cell so you know where the address is to send the balifs to.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Your a cop plant some "P" in the house send the "D's" around viola they get re housed in a cell so you know where the address is to send the balifs to.

And then the house will be marked as a p house and you have tell any prospective tenants.

[cynna]

and when she had her packed her stuff i accidently kicked one of her bags across the room which was full of our towels, sheets and other stuff.


here are some pictures of the day before i kicked her out

[Patrick]

You could always use the tried and true "Westie eviction"...

If ya can't even smack your kid up the side of their ear, how can I do it to these folk?

[Patrick]

I would also suggest doing some research on their prior addresses, get in touch with previous landlords and see what their experiences were, might give you some insight into behaviour patterns. Might also find they want to know where they are now.... collective action perhaps, blacklisting in area, all kinds of possibilities.
You could also name and shame, you might be surprised who knows them.
Good luck with getting this sorted mate, keep us informed.

Only thing wrong with that... they might get paid before I do... can do so after I've got my dosh?? They have actually checked out OK with previous land lords...


He decided the quickest way to get the lowlifes out asap was to pay them to leave!!!

He paid them something like $800 to be out in 10 days, and poof, they were gone. He justified it as being the quickest and cheapest way to get the buggers out without dragging it through the courts. Was two weeks rent I believe.

Sticks in the craw I know but if you put ethics aside it makes sense. Who cares if it's rewarding them for their behaviour, it gets them gone fast and they are no longer your problem.

PS He does credit and police checks on all his tennants, with their permission. The good ones have nothing to hide so don't mind, apparently.

Thanks, but I will get blood out of a stone...:innocent:

[Patrick]

The way my landlord protected himself was by having us on a periodic lease, with a two-week notice period. I think it was two weeks. The legal minimum anyway.

Can this be done? 90 days to leave, or 42 days if a rellie is moving in to it...


we had my sisters half sister in our self contained sleep out.....

What a filthy skank... Does this mean she is your quarter sister?????? I'm confused...!!!


Your a cop plant some "P" in the house send the "D's" around viola they get re housed in a cell so you know where the address is to send the balifs to.

NICE.....


And then the house will be marked as a p house and you have tell any prospective tenants.

NOT NICE!!!!!

[desmo dave]

I was lucky and allways had good tenants.Im sure there was a safegard of sorts, to get rid of bad tenants.I think it went like if you needed the property for yourself or family, you could just give them 6 weeks notice.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Originally Posted by Steam
The way my landlord protected himself was by having us on a periodic lease, with a two-week notice period. I think it was two weeks. The legal minimum anyway.

In a tenancy court this would not make any differance because that is still illeagal. Even if you have signed a tenancy agreement saying that the law is 90 day

[ManDownUnder]

Cut your losses. register your debt with WINZ and persue it with both them and the tenants.

Then have a family member move in - even for 3 days. That pulls back the eviction period to 42 days... which is better than the statutory 90.

If they're dodgy tenants then wtach the place like a hawk (good neighbours)? Ask the neighbours to ring you if they see anything suspicious. Don't let anything slide.

And good luck - wish there was more I could do.

MDU
PS Considered selling it? Now's a very good time to do so - the market's about to turn and NP is primo $$$ right now. Our rental went up about 35% in value in the last 3 years alone!

[ManDownUnder]

In a tenancy court this would not make any differance because that is still illeagal. Even if you have signed a tenancy agreement saying that the law is 90 day


close but no - there are 2 exceptions I know of.

1) Have a family member move in
2) Have a signed sale and purchase agreement that is conditional on the tenants moving out.

Both of these cut it back to 42 days.

The other things that can be done to incent the tenants to move out - put the rent up or something that makes THEM hand in notice - 21 days...!

of course it can be sooner by mutual consent. Hire a ghost ought to do it... or smash a few of your own windows and give them the shits...

[Ghost_Bullet]

and when she had her packed her stuff i accidently kicked one of her bags across the room which was full of our towels, sheets and other stuff.


here are some pictures of the day before i kicked her out

Thos pics are gross, brings back memories of a few months back when I spent the day fishing used nappies from all around the section, under trees in the garden, and a massive pile of rubbish bags, that may have been all thier waste for the time they lived there. The whole lot filled a 7mtr skip... :sick:

[cynna]

What a filthy skank... Does this mean she is your quarter sister?????? I'm confused...!!!


lol - we are all inbred down here.....

i meant my girlfriends half sister. i will remember to proof read before i post one day. still probably wouldnt have picked that one up tho - good spotting


it sux to have a bad tenant - it puts you off renting out again

[Patrick]

UPDATE:

After finding them the night of the mediation meeting, they promised to pay this weeks rent and were going to WINZ and wanted a letter from us, which we gave...

No rent paid... nothing heard...

Then in the mail today, the Tenancy Hearing won't be happening until the 16th July!!!!!!:gob:

Another three weeks rent to be missed out on for us... Fucken useless.....

[RON SOAK]

Firebomb the pricks at 3 in the morning!
Make it look like one of the locals - is this house in Waitara - if so - I can probably give you a couple of names..... Clears out the tenants and the insurance pays for a rebuild!
:whistle:

[Ghost_Bullet]

Then in the mail today, the Tenancy Hearing won't be happening until the 16th July!!!!!!:gob:

Another three weeks rent to be missed out on for us... Fucken useless.....

Pain in the arse uh... I had furniture and belongings that they left behind... of nil value of course. and I had to wait for a court order to make them mine to dump them... I guess I did not "have to" but I thought I would at least follow the shite procedures so I cant get done against... ya just never know what turn they might make on ya.

Go to the 2buck shop and buy a stress ball!!!!!!

[Jeremy]

We have got on to this as soon as possible and already they have been able to drag it out to 7 weeks by the time the Adjudicator gets around to it, by following the law... What an arse!!!!


You don't want those tenants, because they don't want to live there.
If they wanted to live there, then they would pay the rent. Get new tenants.

Suggestions:

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Mow the lawn each week, and say that you're going to do it when you've got new tenants.
Why? Because it means you know that the house is still standing.Not only that but if there's a problem with the house, they have no reason not to tell you then and there. (Otherwise you'll have the fun of finding out that something has been flooding for six months and never been told...)

No excuses, ever. If they miss one week they will miss more.

If they ring you first to say there's a problem, and that they're going to have to miss a week's rent but they will pay you back next week. That's probably okay, as someone who rings you cares. But if you find out they've missed, kick them out.

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Have fun trying to get the rent out of them. After Dad set Baycorp on one his tenants after they did a runner it still took something like 5 years to get the money out of them.

[geoffm]

Give them their notice now, because you don't want them any more so they are gone no matter the outcome of the tenancy tribunal. The other advice of getting a rellie to move in is good. A good big rent increase is probably nt the best at present before the tribunal hearing, but before it got to this stage, it would have been a good first move.
THis is why I prefer commercial property...
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[JimO]

i had a student flat in dunedin a few years ago, good return but lots of damage inc front fence ripped down and burnt, smashed windows (result of playing cricket in house) almost all crockery that was supplied smashed, hundreds of bottles smashed in the back yard, shed in back section burnt down(end of year party) but we did get the bond back around $300 which didnt go anywhere towards cleaning up the place. These people are now doctors and lawyers but at the time were "high spirited" students just enjoying themselves at our expense. I always laugh at people saying that the student flats are hovels but these cunts can turn a new house into a complete wreck in 1 year, i sold that and at the moment have a old place that my 82 yo mother in law is living in for free and when she dies its going to be sold i cant be bothered with the hassle and problems with tennants

[moko]

As a landlord presumably you're responsible for the upkeep of the water and electricity supply e.t.c..I reckon a safety check of the wiring must be well overdue,maybe the leccy might find something seriously wrong.Obviously for safety's sake you'll need to turn the power off,trouble is it might be something really obscure that's the problem and your mate the Sparky might have to order it from who knows where.Obviously you'd have his say so in case you were slanderously accused of trying to drive these good people out and maybe proof that he'd told you he was going to order the parts just in case they go to whoever in NZ deals with this sort of thing.If your so-called buddy then stops answering his phone or has a long wait for the relevent fault is it your problem?Maybe he'd find such a mess he'd have to condemn the whole thing and you might just have to wait for him to completely re-wire the place before it was safe to put the power on again,and how long can people like that survive without the tv let alone light and a method of cooking?Alternatively there's the water-leak a plumber buddy might just have to create while you've done the good landlord thing and got him to check the plumbing,off goes the water and your place might not smell too good when you get it back but how long could you stand to live in a place with no water? You could tell them that as they havn't paid any rent you can't afford to pay for the work but that's probably too obvious.
We have tenancy laws here as well but in reality the delays work both ways,unless there's a criminal act involved the tenants have to go the slow legal route as well and with no water or electricity,not going to last long are they? Say they call the Police and report you,I assume from this post you're a Cop,they'll get all of 2 minutes worth of "Sorry but the property's not safe and he's trying to fix it",best thing you can do right at the start is be reasonable,apologetic and friendly,assure them you're trying the best you can to sort their problem,which of course you are,just not while they're still there.
In the UK apart from basic accomodation or the "Migrant worker sardines" kind of thing it's common to ask for large deposits,references and sometimes to have 3 month rolling contracts,prices a lot of people out of the market sadly but that's the bums spoiling it for everybody else.If you're tenants damage your place you take it out of their deposit(make sure you inventory the place first and get them to sign regarding what's there and in what condition),if they clear off you keep their deposit,usually about a month's rent.
If you want to play dirty if they're on benefits run off a few business cards advertising a taxi service,or some other kind of business,get them left around town,then send one anonymously to the authorities reporting them for fraud with the Taxi thing they've got to explain that new car.
As Jeremy says they probably don't want to live there,they just want to blag as much free accommodation as they can before they move on and do the same thing elsewhere,if that's the case a bit of discomfort could well be enough to nudge them out.

[Patrick]

Firebomb the pricks at 3 in the morning!
Make it look like one of the locals - is this house in Waitara - if so - I can probably give you a couple of names..... Clears out the tenants and the insurance pays for a rebuild!
:whistle:

Tempting, but this is Waitara, a good town... not Marfell in New Plymouth...


I had furniture and belongings that they left behind... of nil value of course. and I had to wait for a court order to make them mine to dump them...

Friend has a tandem trailer and they loaded up all the shit his past tenants left behind, dozens of bags of rubbish included, knew where they moved to and took it around to their place and dumped it on thier doorstep - shitty nappies and all...


You don't want those tenants, because they don't want to live there.
If they wanted to live there, then they would pay the rent. Get new tenants.

There lies the problem... gotta give them 90 days to leave, (42 if it is going to be occupied by a family member) or go thru the Tenancy bullshit... come the 16th July, they are out... much shorter than the 90 days, but still no real protection for the owner (me) as they can still stay, without paying rent, until the TT orders them out...!!


Give them their notice now, because you don't want them any more so they are gone no matter the outcome of the tenancy tribunal. The other advice of getting a rellie to move in is good. A good big rent increase is probably nt the best at present before the tribunal hearing, but before it got to this stage, it would have been a good first move.
THis is why I prefer commercial property...
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Same as just above Geoff... No worrie about the TT coz they will order termination of tenancy and possession back to me. I will DEMAND that they be gone in 24 hours!!! have raised rent already, but as they aren't paying now, it aint gonna fix anything...


As a landlord presumably...

Nice... I like it..

[Chickadee]

Bugger mate, hope you get short of the useless free loaders soon.

Some tennants are wonderful and some are absolutely horrific, references or checks on tennants is all I can suggest. Any sniff of trouble and time to give them their notice (2 weeks if you could work it as was previously suggested) then you're not in limbo for so long getting really f*cked off! Totally sympathise.

There was a neighbour over the road (we thought he owned the place) who drove trucks. He lived there for at least a year or so. Didn't see much of him around, then one day the truck was gone. Apparently he was a tennant for a good while, stopped paying rent, did a runner. We saw the landlord having to send the troops of local handypeople in (paint, new carpets, cleaning) - he must have been stripping engines and living like a total disgusting slob:sick: from what we could read between the lines. I dare say the repairs to the property to make it rentable (bearing in mind we're in a good area) was around 5-10K:shit:.

Good luck with the saga, hope it ends asap so you can get some GOOD tennants in there to make you think being a landlords a good thing.

[Delerium]

Dont fuck about. Evict them. Put in notice of terminating contract now. You run the risk of them trashing the place before they leave but if you dont evict, they will get further behind and the place isnt well kept now with them in it. when You evict you MUST have a baliff to execute the eviction and turf them out. not the cops, a baliff. Change the locks at the same time so have a lock smith turn up too.

I went through the same thing.

[Patrick]

(2 weeks if you could work it as was previously suggested)

90 days... you can say two weeks and sign it, but 90 is the figure, no matter what you agree to...


Dont fuck about. Evict them. Put in notice of terminating contract now. You run the risk of them trashing the place before they leave but if you dont evict, they will get further behind and the place isnt well kept now with them in it. when You evict you MUST have a baliff to execute the eviction and turf them out. not the cops, a baliff. Change the locks at the same time so have a lock smith turn up too.

I went through the same thing.

The eviction orders will be in place on the 16th July... The house is actually being well looked after by them and if it is trashed, will have to go through this shit saga with the TT all over again for that and orders will again be made... Quite right about the bailiff and the locks... Police can attend "to keep the peace..." Might need some there while I am present, waving goodbye without all fingers extended...:shutup:

[Conquiztador]

Years ago I was a landlord. Never again.

Had a tenant who did not pay rent. Messed up the place. And same problems as you have. Would take ages to sort out the legal way. Sooo...

I did some research. Found out what crowds she hang out with. And contacted some patched friends of mine who did hang out in same circles. Asked if they could do me a favour and have a "chat" with her. They did and she moved out inside two days. I got a phone call from her saying that she was going and could I please tell my friends. I never asked what they did say (or do?) to her. Some years later I was asked for a favour back and I did without asking.

All happy with outcome.

[scumdog]

and when she had her packed her stuff i accidently kicked one of her bags across the room which was full of our towels, sheets and other stuff.


here are some pictures of the day before i kicked her out

Bad - But see worse on a regular basis.

[inlinefour]

We are not of wealth, but have a mortgaged rental as a future nest egg for our kids (and us too I suppose when we are old and crusty...). We are fairly new to the landlord game.

Awesome tenants until this last lot. Moved in in Sept 06, have not paid rent recently for 10 weeks, :gob: but managed to get a WINZ payout for the first five weeks, :gob: :gob: :gob: so we were all square back then, but they are out to 5 weeks behind again as we speak, without paying a cent themselves since.

After the first weeks rent was missed in this latest 5 weeks arrears round, we gave them the 10 day letter to rectify. After that 10 day period, we applied to the Tenancy Tribunal only for TT to send it to "mediation," :shit: which was a further week off. There were promises promises etc etc, but nothing....

Just had that mediation meeting today (now 5 weeeks behind), and it turns out that the tenants ("conveniently?") went to the wrong address, even tho the address is clear on the letter they sent to us both.:shutup:

Now, the mediator sends it to the "Adjudicator" at the court for a hearing, which won't happen for another 10 days. By then, assuming they won't pay, the rent will be 7 weeks overdue on that day, assuming they can get us in on that 10th day...

The adjudicator will order possession of the property to us and we can then give them the boot, immediately, and orders will be made for rent arrears and costs.

Courts advise we can only apply to the Court (after a further 48 hours after the Adjudicators ruling), for an order for them to be bought before the court to assess their means to pay and/or to seek a distress warrant so we can seize the new car they have just bought, which was bought coincidentally on the day before the first day of rent due was missed!!!:shit:

Being an old schooler, I just want to go around and pick them up by the scruff and throw them out the door right now. (I am happy to leave it closed as I do so and pay for the damage afterward myself, as I would consider it money bloody well spent!!!), but the law says I can't do that.:zzzz:

Landlords appear to have little rights, tenants have all the rights, can stay and drag it all out, then disappear if they want to and not pay, as without any forwarding address, the bailiffs won't be able to serve documents on them for the rent arrears etc..

We know where they are right now. The car is there right now. Anyone know of anything I have missed and of what I can do to get on to them now instead of later, while we know where they and their car is right now?

I find the Tenancy Act dead boring to read but have picked out the points I need to know so far.

Does anyone else have any real suggestions???

Don't tempt me with KB parties on their back lawn (which could actually be arranged, as the seperate rear section is actually part of the land title, but not part of the tenancy...) or with middle of the night visits by some of our Armed Forces allies....:shutup:

We have got on to this as soon as possible and already they have been able to drag it out to 7 weeks by the time the Adjudicator gets around to it, by following the law... What an arse!!!!

Did the tennent thing once and usually it was good but had one bad experience much like yours. Sounds like your doing the right thing and yes the waiting for things to happen really bites. They should be forced to pay the arrears, but its likely to be payed off in smal amounts which are likely to take forever to pay, or you might end up with nothing and have to cut your losses. In future I'd recommend that you be more proactive in making sure that the tennant is paying rental and at the first sign of non-paying get onto it so that it does not ballon out of control. Most people are quite reasonable and in my opinion its a case of choosing the right people to be tennants and not just the first that come along. Trust your instincts, if you do not like someone, give them a wide berth and keep looking. I believe having the property(s) empty in the search for the right tennant is not a bad thing. Especially when you compare it to the hassles of dealing with a tennant like you decribe...

[Patrick]

In future I'd recommend that you be more proactive in making sure that the tennant is paying rental and at the first sign of non-paying get onto it so that it does not ballon out of control. ...

That is exactly what we did, hence the thread... Friday rent due, Saturday no rent in account... 10 day letter to rectify rent arrears served Monday (have to give them 12 days as it couldn't be handed "personally...") with daily text contact because there is no landline and they are rarely home. At the end of that 12 days, still no rent paid, so applied online for Tenancy hearing and a date is given for mediation. On this day, the tenants don't even turn up, so it moves on to an Adjudicator at the court and that date arrives... the 16th July...

We did get on to it immediately and I have been made to jump through hoops while they continue on their merry ways, not paying anything... :bash::brick:

They don't turn up, it moves forward, slow step by slower step. I don't turn up, it is dismissed there and then.

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[inlinefour]

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as a result I will never own more than the house that I live in again.

[speedpro]

I think you can give less than 90 days notice if you have a family member moving in. 2 weeks I think though that does sound a bit short.

[Nasty]

I think you can give less than 90 days notice if you have a family member moving in. 2 weeks I think though that does sound a bit short.

42 days :yes:

[jafar]

And as a result I will never own more than the house that I live in again.

Amen to that. being a landlord sucks , there are other investment opportunities out there that have similar or better returns & you don't have to deal with tenants.

[moko]

Mate of my Brother now owns several properties and told my Bro he allows 10% of his income to be lost because of freeloaders,damage,eviction costs e.t.c. That's a proffessional landlord who knows the score and deals with that kind of crap every day,I suspect many enter the field a bit naievely and being bitten comes as a bit of a shock.Buy to let is very popular in Britain,people borrow up to the hilt to buy a property that tenants hopefully pay for as the value goes up,I'm just glad I'd heard the horror stories before I was tempted.If you've got a few properties and they're paid for or well on the way you can take a bit of the pain that's going to come along occaissionally,if it's you're only place and really need that rent money you're stuffed.

[Biff]

Buying rental properties scares the crap out of me for the very reasons highlighted in this thread. Sell the property dude and throw your earnings into China or Brazil - I've made over 400% in both (China just out performs Brazil at the mo') markets in the last 3 years. Sure there's some risk - but invest over the medium term (5-10 years) and you the chances of loosing your money are tiny.

Oil, sugar and biofuels are the way to go in Brazil. Sugar and biofuel especially - low risk, high yields.

Biff takes no responsibility got any investments made based solely upon this post.

[Kflasher]

I had similar problem, I sold the dept and evicted them, the new owner of the dept clamped their car untill payment was complete of finance was arrainged.
I now have prpoerty managed, but I am all so involved in the screening process. I have always place bond very high, my theory is if they struggle with the bond they are not worth having

PS. some of these people beleive they are above the law, this is how you need to treat them if it comes to that. Avoid using you home address and fixed landline

[kro]

This is fairly typical of our wishy washy, tree huggery, PC bullshit country, where we legislate to the offenders, and hang the victim out to dry. The government need to ask themselves what valuable contribution "no hopers" like the ones in Patricks house, have to offer our failing nation.
Personally, the law needs to favour the landlord, and if the incumbents don't sort their shit out, they within 10 days of the initial infraction, unless an agreeable deal is struck, they get evicted immediately. I think the seizure of property/wheel clamping is a great idea too. If they are seriously messing up the landlords life, then the same should apply to them.

[ManDownUnder]

Biff takes no responsibility got any investments made based solely upon this post.


LOLOL... you are only willing to disclaim advice... in THIS POST?

Mate you're as full of it as I am! :love:

[sAsLEX]

This is fairly typical of our wishy washy, tree huggery, PC bullshit country, where we legislate to the offenders, and hang the victim out to dry.

It happening in all areas of law as well http://stuff.co.nz/4124464a10.html

[westie]

Patrik sorry to hear of this saga. Better off without any tennancy tribunal agreements eh?
Well I used to live tin the naki(assuming thats where your rental is) and I know how friggin cold it is in winter down there.
I was just thinking if you really want them out you could take the front and back doors off their hinges. It would create a really great tunnel of cold wind through the house. If that doesn't do try removing the windows.
It is your house and you should be able to do anything to it.
I hope you get a good result.

[KATWYN]

Being an old schooler, I just want to go around and pick them up by the scruff and throw them out the door right now. (I am happy to leave it closed as I do so and pay for the damage afterward myself, as I would consider it money bloody well spent!!!), but the law says I can't do that.:zzzz:

Landlords appear to have little rights, tenants have all the rights, can stay and drag it all out, then disappear if they want to and not pay, as without any forwarding address, the bailiffs won't be able to serve documents on them for the rent arrears etc..

!

Yep we HAD (note- HAD) tenant problems, as we are no longer landlords. Its the most stressful thing I reakon.
I have heard a lot of people opt out of the game for this very reason.

When things got really bad with our tenants my husband and I were seriously considering moving into the house with them and sleeping on their couch, using all their things etc to get them out - we managed to get rid of them
soon after. But we were going to use that tactic (unsure of the legalities of that though) but they were literal squatters...so why couldnt we squat with them....:yes:

[Toaster]

Generally, try to avoid beneficiaries as tenants.... they often default in paying.

[tri boy]

Sorry to hear of your dramas Patrick.
This is another case reaffirming my decision to stay the hell away from residential rental properties. If you sat down, and put a costing on lost sleep, happiness, and stress, and compared it to the true yield(not including capital gain, as I don't see this as yield), I think many people around NZ would exit the rental game overnight.:shit:
I truely hope you come out of this mess with a fair, and reasonable result.
Sadly, I think the odds are stacked against you.:mellow:
Good luck.:yes:

[KATWYN]

In future I'd recommend that you be more proactive in making sure that the tennant is paying rental and at the first sign of non-paying get onto it so that it does not ballon out of control. ...

Yes I agree. With ours the warning bells appeared when they started off paying ok, then gradually they would reduce the amount of rent AP's that went in each week by $20 to 50 dollars, then eventually they stopped the AP's altogether and wanted to pay by cheque each week (another warning bell) then the cheques started bouncing....and so it started

[Patrick]

Patrik sorry to hear of this saga. Better off without any tennancy tribunal agreements eh?
Well I used to live tin the naki(assuming thats where your rental is) and I know how friggin cold it is in winter down there.
I was just thinking if you really want them out you could take the front and back doors off their hinges. It would create a really great tunnel of cold wind through the house. If that doesn't do try removing the windows.
It is your house and you should be able to do anything to it.
I hope you get a good result.

Can't do that... damn!


When things got really bad with our tenants my husband and I were seriously considering moving into the house with them and sleeping on their couch, using all their things etc to get them out - we managed to get rid of them soon after. But we were going to use that tactic (unsure of the legalities of that though) but they were literal squatters...so why couldnt we squat with them....:yes:

Can't do that... damn!!!


Generally, try to avoid beneficiaries as tenants.... they often default in paying.

No... they are the best, coz you can get WINZ to pay direct. These two, unfortunately, don't receive the benefit. he was working, and is now on ACC (for some obscure reason...!!!) and she is a lazy arse who doesn't work at all... (and that is from her own father!!).

[Chickadee]

Hi Patrick,

Crashe tells me that the Tenancy laws has a loop hole if you move a family member into the place, you can give them about 42days notice, otherwise it's 90 days written eviction. Tenancy tribunal will be able to confirm it for you for a family member to move in to a property you rent.

Hope you have this being resolved soon!

Cheers
Chickadee

[Patrick]

Off to court now for 10.30 hearing... will advise soon on the outcome...:Punk:

[Patrick]

Just got home...

Tenants didn't show...:gob: I am so surprised... NOT!!!!!

Tenancy terminated, possession granted back to us, bond forfeited to us and will be paid within 3 days... are over 7 weeks behind now, so at least it is something :yes:

Have to serve notice on them now, or attach it to the door if they are not home, which won't surprise me... Prefer to serve "personally" so will speak to friendly neighbour to make sure they are home.....:whistle:

They will need to tidy gardens and mow lawns, as required under the tenancy, but I won't hold my breath there either....:zzzz: as well as get rid of the 11 bags of rubbish in the garage (probably more by now, lazy feckers...) and if they don't, I will gladly deliver it to their new address or even better, I will "store" it in their car if we go down that path to seize it in lieu of payment...:innocent:

Because they couldn't be fecked paying rent, the unarranged overdraft fees and interest raked up as a result can not be ordered by the Tenancy Adjudicator to be paid by them...:gob::shit: neither can the application fee to the Tenancy Tribunal... WTF????!!!!! Will see what the courts can do about that then.....

The fun FINALLY begins.....:woohoo:

[Deviant Esq]

I wonder how many people have replied that you can drop the notice term from 90 days to 42 days by getting a family member in?! Read the thread people, or at least search it!

Best of luck Patrick mate, hoping to hear some good news!

[insane1]

a lot better result than could of happened .as you say the fun really starts now good luck actually finding them to serve papers you need a few of us to turn up at the same time as you serve said papers.

[Patrick]

I wonder how many people have replied that you can drop the notice term from 90 days to 42 days by getting a family member in?! Read the thread people, or at least search it!

Best of luck Patrick mate, hoping to hear some good news!

Will keep all advised...:yes:

The 42 day thing could work, but you can't just chuck someone in for a few days to make it happen... it has to be a genuine family member moving in for a genuine term. A few days would not cut it and the tenants could turn around do me at the Tenancy Tribunal!!!

Anyhow, their game is now over... my game is about to begin....

[Patrick]

a lot better result than could of happened .as you say the fun really starts now good luck actually finding them to serve papers you need a few of us to turn up at the same time as you serve said papers.

Appreciate the offer, but all is good.... 6'2 and 100kgs should suffice thanks.:innocent:

[Sanx]

Appreciate the offer, but all is good.... 6'2 and 100kgs should suffice thanks.:innocent:

I think this is the occasion you should turn up in uniform. Might persuade the little darlings that trashing the flat would not be a good idea.

[Ghost_Bullet]

Mongrals, I feel ya pain, I remember going into court and them not showing, and maybe because I had never been to court, I felt like the guilty one answering bullshite questions. At least IRD compensated a little from the tax loss in FY06, and hopefully will get a little more in FY07.

Good luck with the work getting the place right again...

[Patrick]

I think this is the occasion you should turn up in uniform. Might persuade the little darlings that trashing the flat would not be a good idea.

Gotta keep it seperate from work, but might turn up with a local in uniform, just to show who I am friends with...

[tri boy]

Gotta keep it seperate from work, but might turn up with a local in uniform, just to show who I am friends with...

Add a comment, like "see you at work tomorrow(insert name), can't be late for our unarmed assault assessment".:devil2:

[Patrick]

Add a comment, like "see you at work tomorrow(insert name), can't be late for our unarmed assault assessment".:devil2:

heh heh... might get them, for the price of a pint, to refer to me by my rank as well...:whistle:

[nadroj]

heh heh... might get them, for the price of a pint, to refer to me by my rank as well...:whistle:

You mean you admit you're rank?

[Dilligaf]

There is another solution - housing New Zealand. They pay market rent less 10%. It is reviewed every year. It never goes untenanted - well you never miss out on rental if it is empty. They have their own contractors who do maintenance at a Very Reasonable Rate. Terms are 5 or 10 years.
Seriously, take the stress out of finding tenants. Apart from normal wear and tear, HNZ will repair / replace any damage...
Would not do it any other way...

[Toaster]

a lot better result than could of happened .as you say the fun really starts now good luck actually finding them to serve papers you need a few of us to turn up at the same time as you serve said papers.

insane1, bring that scooter of your to the next cruiser run if ya can dude.

[Toaster]

I think this is the occasion you should turn up in uniform. Might persuade the little darlings that trashing the flat would not be a good idea.

or we could all turn up wearing black gear and helmets..... saves a PCA.

[Patrick]

You mean you admit you're rank?

yeah, damn curry.... Mmmmmmm.... Hey!! Curried donuts...!!!

[oldrider]

I notice that Patrick's first post on this thread was on the 26 June 2007.

The last post I read was #100 today and he is no further ahead with his problem!

This is just but one of the many injustices of New Zealand, the way Helen wants it!

God help us if we (the nation) don't do something positive to get this country back on track and do it sooner rather than later.

I really feel your frustration Patrick, so much for trying to get ahead. :nono:

It's no wonder murder is a growth industry here.

I hope it doesn't drive you broke in the end. :shit: Good luck, John.

[Patrick]

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Cheers John... certainly moves slowly, doesn't it?

What pisses us off most is that if they had been paying rent, we would have $$ in the bank instead of scraping by....

[KATWYN]

What pisses us off most is that if they had been paying rent, we would have $$ in the bank instead of scraping by....

Argh, don't ya just hate that! On a positive note though, you guys are the ones that own a property - I assume they don't .... for what its worth in the long run potential capital gain will make up for this temporary cashflow inconvenience! Tis not the point I know, but its kinda an easier pill to swallow and doesnt stuff with you and your wifes health by looking at it this way.

[Patrick]

On a positive note though, you guys are the ones that own a property -

Therein lies the assumption, we own the property so we must be rich....

WRONG!!!!

The bank manager owns the property, we also pay money in to pay the mortgage on top of the rent received....

Anyhooo.....

Went around last night and she was home:shit:, served the notice on her and she was gobsmacked... "claimed" they didn't know about the tenancy hearing as they had not received any letter. Pointed out to her that in my last text on Saturday to them that I would see them at the tenancy hearing on Monday, she said, "Yeah, but there was no mention of any time...":shutup:

Continues to claim that her money is coming in a fortnight (some ACC lump sum thing that has been "coming" ever since this all started back in February...) but knows now that it is time up.

Got a little prissy at the end saying, "If you want us out, then FINE!"

Will be doing a uniformed visit tonight to ensure they are getting the lawns mowed, the gardens weeded and the rubbish cleared from the garage as well....

Can't wait to see their faces....:gob:

[Ghost_Bullet]

funny how tenants can have a sudden infection of ignorance, when things begin to hit home. about them not knowing of the hearing.... duh same thing with my ones...

[KATWYN]

The bank manager owns the property, we also pay money in to pay the mortgage on top of the rent received....

:

While the mortgage is being paid consistantly I like to think WE own our property until such a time we can't pay the mortgage (for whatever reason :mellow:) - maybe i'm kidding myself lol!

Our Mortgage was structured the same as yours where we took up the slack,
when we had the residential investment property

[Lias]

Can't wait to see their faces....:gob:
*giggle* 10 fucking characters

[Patrick]

Because the lawns are turning into hay and the gardens are overgrown, I dropped in to see them last night to remind them that they need sorting before they go, and that the rubbish in the garage has to go too....

They looked out and saw the patrol car and came to the door fairly quick for a change... Although they have been friendly throughout, this time he was even more so, for some reason........:innocent:

Very apologetic and promising to pay, saying they will sort the lawns and other stuff before they go, said, "We are going to pay you..." promising to pay "when their money comes in" still, blah blah...

Even shook my hand for the first time at the end of it all...

I think the house is now very safe.. he now knows he can run but can not hide... it all looks good at this moment in time... We will have to see!!!

[MSTRS]

There is still a small voice going "1 2 3...chickens"

[tri boy]

i think your tenants(using the term loosely here), are now judging there book by its cover. (nice flash one, with flashing lights and sirens).
Guess they're not total morons. Methinks respect will come your way.:yes:

[Patrick]

There is still a small voice going "1 2 3...chickens"

Haha... nah, time will tell...

Or are you looking for a certain video???

[master jedi]

bugger me .i lived in ozzy for some years and my mate had the same problem.he got me to go around posing as a door to door sale man ,selling dvds .when they open the door i grabed the women and chucked her out on the street the locking me inside and her out my mate called the police and she was gone .but think its differnt here ,squatters rights i mean.a fkn good punch in the head never fails or just string one of there animals up ha ha

[KATWYN]

I think the house is now very safe.. !

Hmmm I think if we do it again and we have bad tenants I might get a policemans/womens uniform to wear when I visit to collect the rent.....:innocent: (joke)

Good on you Patrick, pity you went through the dramas though

[Deviant Esq]

Holy shit dude. It gets to the point where it doesn't matter how much they plead ignorance, you know otherwise. What the hell did they expect?! They've never bothered to actually pay their rent and then get pissy when they're served an eviction notice? Honestly, noone is that stupid, not even them. Good move to show up dressed in your best blue suit too, that'll light a fire under their bums because they now realise who they're dealing with. :Police:

[moko]

Patrick,given the response to your uniform,might just be an idea to wear it when interviewing future potential tenants,"sorry,just got of duty",if they know the score before they move in,or decide not to after all,might just save you a lot of hassle afterwards.

[Patrick]

Update:

Went around Saturday to take possession, only to find them still moving out, not there, but stuff in the house still.:gob:

The lawns and gardens still not done... but...

The back door, one of those two thirds glass pane on top and one third glass pane on the bottom thingies, the bigger top one had been smashed out and instead of getting the glass replaced, they screwed a wooden door, yes a whole door!!! to the outside of the back door to block the hole where the galss once was. So there will now also be screw holes in the back door as well now, but... we also find three holes in the walls, two possibly by moving furniture, and one is behind a door and looks like a punch. Things have been cellotaped to the wall paper and when these have been taken down, they have ripped the outer layers of the wallpaper, but as we were wanting to redo the paper and repaint anyway,... (The curtains are a shambles and all the hems have fallen away, but that is easily fixed...) Otherwise, it is not too bad.... sorta.....

Contact them and you guessed it... all the stories, can't get a trailer, all promises to mow the lawns, do the gardens, fix the holes and the glass door, blah blah...

Then they ask if they can store the last of their stuff in the garage until they can get a trailer... which we reluctantly agree to:dodge: only if they get onto fixing things up pronto but Tuesday is out day, otherwise they will have to pay extra days.

The best part is that all this saga has been on text, recorded and able to be used in Tenancy matters...:innocent:

A fine weekend weather wise, make contact as nothing changed, promises about getting in and sorting on Monday... which was also a nice fine day... but, no........

Tuesday comes and goes, nothing changed...another sunny day, not answering texts or calls.

Wednesday morning I visit the address "while patrolling" and locate them pulling out of a drive 4 doors up?? All promises repeated and they say that they will pay for extra days etc (Yeah right... they didn't pay any rent whatsoever for how many weeks now???), still can't get a trailer until Friday as all garages are booked or they are broken, whatever... promises to get a contractor in to mow lawns...:zzzz:

Notice during patrols for rest of day, EVERY garage I passed in town had trailers for hire, all sitting idle...:shutup:

Promises again to sort damage and have lawns etc done, but having trouble getting a mower now...:shutup:

Ask for keys to be left behind so I can pick them up Thursday, as all their remaining stuff has been moved into the garage...

Contact him Thursday morning and ask what is being done. Says he "is going there today (Thursday) to fix the holes and "The Glass Man" is coming today (Thurs) or Friday to fix the door, the keys will be left inside on the kitchen bench."

Make some off duty civvie enquiries and find that they moved into a caravan park in New Plymouth and are there for a month:Punk: so documents can be served in the VERY near future... Also ring The Glass Man... never heard of the tenant, are booked solidly into next week and no job ordered for the rental...:brick:

Discuss my saga with the courts, and because the car has finance owing, they won't seize it:shit:

But the fines enforcement girl who recognises me, says "With a Distress Warrant, we can have it clamped instead..." I think I am in love....

Go to rental to get keys later that day and as expected and as you probably guessed it... no keys, no repairs...

Knowing they are coming to pick up thier stuff on Friday, I let it slide as there is nothing I can do. I am told by the Tenancy Tribunal that I am responsible for the safety of thier stuff in the garage... WTF???????????????
I point out that they are supposed to be gone, they have put the stuff in there themselves... "You're responsible..." they say. Get FUCKED!!!!!!!

To top it off, because they haven't vacated fully, I need to apply to the Tenancy Tribunal, AGAIN, for a fee of $20, AGAIN, at my expense, AGAIN... so I can:

- obtain possession of their remaining shit so I can ditch it, (tip fees - my expense!!!)
- for them to pay for the extra days,
- to get an order made about the damage and cost of repairs for them to pay (and the lawns too...).

Meanwhile, we have people wanting to see the place but can't show them because of the state of it...

Am about to go around shortly now to see if the holes and door have been fixed, the keys have been left behind, and their shit is out of the garage once and for all... its been raining so I know the lawns and gardens wont have been sorted... but I am not holding my breath.....

Monday coming will be a fun day. I will obtain the distress warrant and have their car clamped. That'll fuck em... for starters...:innocent: Being the calm cruisy sort as I am, I am about to get a little peeved, then irate.... then angry, just before I get full blown "YOU FUCKED ME OFF BIG TIME LOSER..." Tis the calm... just before the storm... My avitar is rather pissy in comparison to what is coming their way...

[tri boy]

So which is worse, Dealing with arseholes constantly while in uniform, or dealing with your useless tenants?
Either way I think you have alot more self control/discipline than I could muster.

[oldrider]

Holy shit dude. It gets to the point where it doesn't matter how much they plead ignorance, you know otherwise. What the hell did they expect?! They've never bothered to actually pay their rent and then get pissy when they're served an eviction notice? Honestly, noone is that stupid, not even them. Good move to show up dressed in your best blue suit too, that'll light a fire under their bums because they now realise who they're dealing with. :Police:

Obvious that the uniform only momentarily checked their step, these people just don't care and the government protects them.

Tough luck there Patrick, I say cut your losses and invest the money into commercial property, there are less hassles like you have been going through!

You are not alone, I have been enquiring and this sort of thing is "not" uncommon! :sick: Hope things get better, cheers, John.

[KATWYN]

I am told by the Tenancy Tribunal that I am responsible for the safety of thier stuff in the garage... WTF???????????????
I point out that they are supposed to be gone, they have put the stuff in there themselves... "You're responsible..." they say. Get FUCKED!!!!!!!



ok so with that logic

When you dump all their crap out on the footpath, the council then becomes responsible for it ??

[Patrick]

So which is worse, Dealing with arseholes constantly while in uniform, or dealing with your useless tenants?
Either way I think you have alot more self control/discipline than I could muster.

Gotta have self control in this job these days... I miss the good old days...


ok so with that logic

When you dump all their crap out on the footpath, the council then becomes responsible for it ??

Ha...

I wish... They were my tenants, in my property, who have been booted out for damn good reason, but left their stuff in my garage, which still makes it my problem... apparently.... according to Tenancy Board...... I am "supposed" to ensure it is safe and secure.......:shit::shutup: or else they can come at me for their "loss..." What a crock of..........

[KATWYN]

........

Send them a letter confirming their stuff is in storage and it is now X amount of dollars owing (charge rate, same area as a storage unit would charge) " if the bill is not paid your stuff will be sold to recover costs etc".......

or use their "stuff" as security over the rent they owe you right now. Therefore you can decide to have a wee garage sale to recover your rent??
....or a bon fire for the kids lol

[Ghost_Bullet]

Oh man, it is insane uh, I have written the TT off, they were no help to me, at least your people moved thier shite to the garage for storage, I had to dot hat for my past loooosers. then get a order to dispose the shit. which included mouldy food on plates that they had not washed.

Though in hind sight, you get the bad tenants, and if you are lucky you get the goodin's, only 11% of all my time being landlord was below average. Sure hope the next lot you have treat you and your property with the respect deserved!!!!!!!

[candor]

These types are serial rent savers, they pay a few weeks then play this game and their life plan is keeping all cash for themselves bar a few pennies and moving every few mths. Often quite credible they are.

The Hong Kong immigrants can be bad too - some will pose as a nice family and negotiate good rent (for many places) then sublet to any creeps at a high rent, not fix damage and be uncontactable. I had that happen.

House was sublet to young idiots from HK at language school. Luckily they did not know rights so I got them out fast once the "careless" and also malicious damage started. For example it was no dogs and they knew it but bought two puppies which they did not house train sand kept tied up on short lead in hall - jerks. I rehomed dogs that cost them a grand LOL. Their revenge was to cut down the weeping flowering cherry tree then sellotape it together again - I only realised on seeing it dying. Also beeby guins to leadlights.. rich prats. My next move - GET OUT IN A WEEK COS I'M MOVING IN THEN OKEY DOKEY.

The pro free renters should be tattooed on forehead. But there is a bad "tenant" blacklist on the net only I think you need to be a member of some land lords club to list people or view it.

[oldrider]

Is there no way that the Tenancy Tribunal can taken to task and made to be accountable for their actions?

I just cannot believe that they can carry on unchallenged when they make such obviously one sided indefensible judgements!

If not, this should definitely be an election issue and there is one next year! :yes: Bloody PC bureaucrats! :sick: John.

[Ghost_Bullet]

Is there no way that the Tenancy Tribunal can taken to task and made to be accountable for their actions?

I just cannot believe that they can carry on unchallenged when they make such obviously one sided indefensible judgements!

If not, this should definitely be an election issue and there is one next year! :yes: Bloody PC bureaucrats! :sick: John.

Buh ahhhh !!!! like they would shift to the "lords" side!!!!!! Lords will always be :second:


I heard a week or so ago that one of my ex f$%ker tenants is spending a few years behind bars.

[Patrick]

Gave up on the lawns getting done so I did them... farken hell they were long!!! Poor old mower and I nearly blew a foo foo...

Looked in the garage and found their stuff still in there... but much to my surprise, there was even more stuff that had arrived and was now stashed in there:shit: their washing machine, lounge suite, more rubbish... couldn't believe it!!:gob:

They got a dose of the honesty bug for the first time in a while and said they couldn't afford a trailer for now and hadn't booked the door yet as they just don't have the $$$...

On the up side, the holes in the walls were fixed. Small beginnings....

Went around on Sunday to tidy up some stuff and they called in, which was a surprise... could have driven past and we would be none the wiser. Said the door was booked for today with a local firm (to be confirmed yet tho...), trailer arranged for Tuesday to get all out of the garage and they are due to get the ACC lump sum within the next few weeks, promising to make good all they owe plus would pay for the extra week and for the lawns etc...

Dillemma now is...

Should I get the distress warrant and seize all the stuff in the garage, which won't be worth a sparrows fart... and risk pissing them off and getting $5 a week for the next 50 million years, OR... believe what they claim and hold out just a while longer in the belief that the ACC monies are in fact coming and receive a lump sum payment for all that is owed.......

Decisions.

Heart says fuck em...

Head says they might just ever so possibly be telling the truth about the pending payment???

[ManDownUnder]

Dillemma now is...

Should I get the distress warrant and seize all the stuff in the garage, which won't be worth a sparrows fart... and risk pissing them off and getting $5 a week for the next 50 million years, OR... believe what they claim and hold out just a while longer in the belief that the ACC monies are in fact coming and receive a lump sum payment for all that is owed.......

Decisions.

Heart says fuck em...

Head says they might just ever so possibly be telling the truth about the pending payment???


Secure their stuff under the distress warrant and hold it till they pay you off. It's worth more to you that way, and it'll quite possibly save them money instead of trying to replace it (unless it's total crap they only want to dump anyway)

[Mole_C]

Can you still get the car clamped once all the stuff is gone? If so just let them get all their crap out and try get the house back up to scratch so you can start getting some money in again.

Drop into caravan park and ask them to call you if they look like there gonna move so you can get them clamped b4 they try go.

Better to screw them once they're gone rather than while you still have to look after them, but also adds a bit more risk of them running.

[Mom]

Dillemma now is...



Spend another $20, go back to the Tribunal, get an order for the repairs that are still not done, get quotes for the repairs, the cost of lawn mowing (get someone to give you a piece of paper saying what they would have charged you to do them as proof, does the place need cleaning? get a quote to clean it. In my experience the tribunal will award you most of the costs if they are reasonable, be warned, they can smell a set up a mile away. Once you have an order for the missing rent (less the bond), repairs, lawns etc, go to the court and get the distress warrant. Might pay you to ring tenancy services and take some advice regarding the storage of their stuff, you may be able to get an order allowing you to simply sell it off, and take the proceeds from the amount they owe you. Then you can use the district court to get the money, albeit $10 per week for life. Dont listen to your heart in this. I have seen too many times the "hard luck" card played, dont go there. If they are in fact genuine, all well and good. Keep them informed about what you are doing, be nice and reasonable (as I know you are :innocent:)

If I had $1 for the sob stories/excuses/promises etc I heard when I was renting properties (over 20 years worth) I would not be riding pillion behind Maha man, I would have my own wheels and be mortgage free mostl likely.

[KATWYN]

in the belief that the ACC monies are in fact coming and receive a lump sum payment for all that is owed.......

Head says they might just ever so possibly be telling the truth about the pending payment???

:zzzz: Yea yea a flowered up " the cheques in the mail" story except its an "ACC" payment instead.....your head is just holding on to grim hope of them having an ounce of decency in them...maybe they have...its a very slim chance tho. You yourself will know past behaviour is a sure predictor of future behaviour and so far except for the holes been fixed (thats probably whats given you a glimmer of hope) theres no clear evidence of them doing the right thing.....in fact they have abused your kindness again by putting even more crap in the garage that you didn't know about

[Patrick]

Secure their stuff under the distress warrant and hold it till they pay you off. It's worth more to you that way, and it'll quite possibly save them money instead of trying to replace it (unless it's total crap they only want to dump anyway)

There isn't a lot of value there.... still, the stuffing them around for a change could all be worth it.


Can you still get the car clamped once all the stuff is gone? If so just let them get all their crap out and try get the house back up to scratch so you can start getting some money in again.

Drop into caravan park and ask them to call you if they look like there gonna move so you can get them clamped b4 they try go.

Better to screw them once they're gone rather than while you still have to look after them, but also adds a bit more risk of them running.

They themselves are out, the stuff is still in the garage. They aren't moving anywhere for the next two weeks at least... I am getting the court to order their appearance to explain their means to pay the debt.



Spend another $20, go back to the Tribunal, get an order for the repairs that are still not done, get quotes for the repairs, the cost of lawn mowing (get someone to give you a piece of paper saying what they would have charged you to do them as proof, does the place need cleaning? get a quote to clean it. In my experience the tribunal will award you most of the costs if they are reasonable, be warned, they can smell a set up a mile away. Once you have an order for the missing rent (less the bond), repairs, lawns etc, go to the court and get the distress warrant. Might pay you to ring tenancy services and take some advice regarding the storage of their stuff, you may be able to get an order allowing you to simply sell it off, and take the proceeds from the amount they owe you. Then you can use the district court to get the money, albeit $10 per week for life. Dont listen to your heart in this. I have seen too many times the "hard luck" card played, dont go there. If they are in fact genuine, all well and good. Keep them informed about what you are doing, be nice and reasonable (as I know you are :innocent:)

Have done all of the above... the door is confirmed as having been booked for repair, to be paid by them too... the holes are sorted. The order for the extra week rent, got a quote from a lawnmower man, as for their stuff, it really isn't worth a sparrows fart to sell, but to them, it is all they have???

[QUOTE=KATWYN;1152559]:zzzz: Yea yea a flowered up " the cheques in the mail" story except its an "ACC" payment instead.....your head is just holding on to grim hope of them having an ounce of decency in them...maybe they have...its a very slim chance tho. You yourself will know past behaviour is a sure predictor of future behaviour and so far except for the holes been fixed (thats probably whats given you a glimmer of hope) theres no clear evidence of them doing the right thing.....in fact they have abused your kindness again by putting even more crap in the garage that you didn't know about

I know.......:dodge: Forever hopeful.....:shutup:

They have done the holes, the door may have actually have been done by now and theor stuff may be gone from the garage, (just haven't had a chance to get around today). The more crap was just their stuff that they had in the house to start with, but where the hell was it to start with before they bought it back?????????

[westie]

Wow this is a long saga for you patrick. I would have lost my rag long ago.
Good to know someone with your good attitude is in the force. But bad to find out how FUCKED the tennancy system is. I didn't like random flatmates and I definately wont be letting out a house I own in the future.

Keep the up dates coming. Its a "good read"

[Patrick]

Went around today (Wednesday) and the door has been fixed.:yes:

Their stuff is still in the garage. It was meant to have gone yesterday, but as it was a shitty rainy day, figured they would have sorted it today in the sunshine...

Was at the court today (had to pay another $180) to get them summonsed to court to explain to the court how they are going to pay the debt. The court will probably order they pay a shite amount for the next however many years but it is something... The $180 gets added to the amount owed....:zzzz:

The bond hasn't been paid in to our account by the Dept of Housing... dunno why not, faxed the account details to them on Monday...:angry:

Still got the wheel clamp thing on standby...:love:

Have applied to the Tenancy Tribunal (for another $20...!!!:shit:) to order extra rent arrears for the stuff still in the garage, the cost of the lawns, etc and beginning to think I should just seek "ownership" of all the stuff left behind.......

[Pussy]

You've got more patience than I will ever have, Patrick

[fireliv]

Suck!!
As a tenent myself I just dont understand how people can do that! I wouldnt dream of not paying my rent, thats always top priority.

GOod luck, unfortunatly tennency is not a specialty of mine:zzzz:

[Patrick]

You got more patience than I will ever have, Patrick

Firearms Training on Tuesday... wonder if I could get them to "stand just over there...":innocent:


Suck!!
As a tenent myself I just dont understand how people can do that! I wouldnt dream of not paying my rent, thats always top priority.

GOod luck, unfortunatly tennency is not a specialty of mine:zzzz:

Good on ya, a roof over your head I would have thought was fairly damned important... Like you, I can't understand how they can do it... At an educated guess, drugs are probably the problem, but only smelt a bit of Dak once, way before they knew what I do for a job...

Tenancy was not a specialty of mine either... but now.... thanks to awesome advice on here (thanks people.. you know who you are!!! :yes:) and some minor experience in this field, and from all the hoops I have since had to jump through to get this crap sorted... I could now be a damn near expert!!!

[Chickadee]

Sounds like you need to get a trailer and dump their shit at their new doss at the Caravan park, at least you'll be able to get new good tenants in once your flat's completely vacated. No point throwing good money after bad, keep persuing them for money's owed, and get some goodens in to that nice pad of yours. You deserve some good tenants after all this shit!

[KATWYN]

Sounds like you need to get a trailer and dump their shit at their new doss


I've heard exactly that done before too.:laugh: Totally inconveniences them so they get to feel what its like. "Hey what do you think you are doing!?" and theres not a darn thing they can do about it. Its their stuff being "delivered" to their new dwellings

Hey you are doing them a favour too - no cartage fee

Just make absolutely certain it IS actually their dwelling. They can get clever and mislead where they live

[Patrick]

I figure once they realise I am seeking possession of the stuff left there, they will pick it up quick smart... Don't worry, have a trailer ready to deliver any rubbish for free right on their doorstep at their new CONFIRMED address. I was actually hoping thier car may be mysteriously found unlocked :innocent: so I can put it in there then, to keep it out of the rain of course, just in case there was something valuable in those rubbish bags...:innocent:

[soundbeltfarm]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

[KATWYN]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

If you can't legally "drop off" somebodies own "stuff" at their own home.......then I am beginning to believe we really do live in a nanny state :zzzz:.

[Mom]

Believe it or not, you are not allowed to removed a tenants possessions from the property without the leave of the tenancy tribunal. I have known cases where an order was made to remove possessions into secure storage (at the landlords expense I might add). After many months of storage and no sign that this tenant is about to retrieve them, a request was made to dump them. Yes another $20 application fee.

My advice, get a "decent" property manager, take out landlords protection insurance, dont do it yourself.

[Patrick]

I'd check what you can do before you go and dump all their stuff at their front door.
it might make you feel better but if you cant do it legally i bet they will find out and will act on it.

Its their stuff... that it is maggoty rubbish, pooey nappies, whatever, it is their stuff... let the bloweys loose on their arse...

[Patrick]

Believe it or not, you are not allowed to removed a tenants possessions from the property without the leave of the tenancy tribunal. I have known cases where an order was made to remove possessions into secure storage (at the landlords expense I might add). After many months of storage and no sign that this tenant is about to retrieve them, a request was made to dump them. Yes another $20 application fee.

My advice, get a "decent" property manager, take out landlords protection insurance, dont do it yourself.

You can place it into safe storage, yes... at your own expense:sunny:, but if they ask for it back, you have to release it...:shutup:

It pisses me off that their stuff is in MY garage, WITHOUT MY AUTHORITY, and I have to look after it, while they don't pay any rent...:shit:?

What if I deliver it to the adjudicators house, without her authority and shove it in her garage? I bet it would be gone by lunchtime tomorrow....if not sooner.

Every step seems to cost $$$... my dollars, and you can't seek these application fees back either. THAT is what gets up me.... The system sucks for landlords in that point alone....

[Pussy]

Wanna hand to "move" some stuff, Patrick? While the weather is crappy, I would be available.
Honestly, mate, you have the patience of Job, I don't know how you do it. Whenever we used to rent, we would ALWAYS treat the place with total care.
Keep us updated

[Patrick]

Wanna hand to "move" some stuff, Patrick? While the weather is crappy, I would be available.
Honestly, mate, you have the patience of Job, I don't know how you do it. Whenever we used to rent, we would ALWAYS treat the place with total care.
Keep us updated

Thanks for the offer... have a HUGE trailer ready to go, will take the whole load easily... If I wasn't a fisherman, I think I would have lost it ages ago...

[Mom]

Every step seems to cost $$$... my dollars, and you can't seek these application fees back either. THAT is what gets up me.... The system sucks for landlords in that point alone....

Patrick mate, word to the wise for you. Yes you can get costs associated with recovery back from a tenant, IF you have a clause in your signed tenancy agreement that says all costs of recovery etc are to be paid by the tenant. :yes:

I used to have that one in all my tenancy agreements, it has stood the test of Tribunal, sad thing is you cant recover if it is not there.

You are not allowed to contract out of the Residential Tenancy Act ie, carpets must be commercially cleaned at the end of the tenancy. Yes you can have those words in the agreement, but try to take it to court and you will get a big fat NO!

[Patrick]

Patrick mate, word to the wise for you. Yes you can get costs associated with recovery back from a tenant, IF you have a clause in your signed tenancy agreement that says all costs of recovery etc are to be paid by the tenant. :yes:

Will do from here on in.... cheers!!

[Sanx]

You are not allowed to contract out of the Residential Tenancy Act ie, carpets must be commercially cleaned at the end of the tenancy. Yes you can have those words in the agreement, but try to take it to court and you will get a big fat NO!

From a tenant's point of view, I've always found it's worth getting the carpet professionally cleaned at the end of the tenancy anyway. Bearing in mind I actually pay my rent on time, maintain the house and garden myself and have been known to make minor improvements to the house (like painting walls on the outside where the paint was peeling off), getting the carpets cleaned is a good way of protecting oneself against accusations of damage and neglect.

Carpets, especially light-coloured ones, do get a bit of abuse. People drop things on them, and those things can stain. Carpets can also be crushed by furniture, leading to marks being left in the carpet. Getting the carpets professionally-cleaned helps negate accusations of damage by not only removing the stains and helping to minimise marks left by furniture, but also because the cleaning company will usually declare any remaining marks usual wear and tear.

Lastly, it's also polite to clean a place properly once you leave. I'm not advocating a house should be sterilised at the end of each tenancy, but it's common good manners to pick your shit up, give the place a good clean and leave it in a state into which new tenants can move straight in, without the landlord having to waste time and money by getting it cleaned.

But then, as people keep telling me, I expect to much of others sometimes and my faith in human nature's ability to make people do the right thing most of the time has become rather dented recently.

[Mom]

From a tenant's point of view, I've always found it's worth getting the carpet professionally cleaned at the end of the tenancy anyway. Bearing in mind I actually pay my rent on time, maintain the house and garden myself and have been known to make minor improvements to the house (like painting walls on the outside where the paint was peeling off), getting the carpets cleaned is a good way of protecting oneself against accusations of damage and neglect.

Carpets, especially light-coloured ones, do get a bit of abuse. People drop things on them, and those things can stain. Carpets can also be crushed by furniture, leading to marks being left in the carpet. Getting the carpets professionally-cleaned helps negate accusations of damage by not only removing the stains and helping to minimise marks left by furniture, but also because the cleaning company will usually declare any remaining marks usual wear and tear.

Lastly, it's also polite to clean a place properly once you leave. I'm not advocating a house should be sterilised at the end of each tenancy, but it's common good manners to pick your shit up, give the place a good clean and leave it in a state into which new tenants can move straight in, without the landlord having to waste time and money by getting it cleaned.

But then, as people keep telling me, I expect to much of others sometimes and my faith in human nature's ability to make people do the right thing most of the time has become rather dented recently.


Mate why were you never, ever a tennant of mine......LOL

Most people are actually the same as you, but sadly there are a few out there that are not.....I used to have a check out cleaning list that my tenants had to follow, down to disinfecting the sinks/tubs/showers etc. Believe it or not some people actually have no idea what is expected when the expression "clean and tidy" is used :yes:

The reality of the tenancy law in NZ however is, you can not compell someone to commercially clean a carpet, trust me, it used to be in all my agreements, I tested it once and got that cost of reinstatement dismissed because it is above and beyond what the tribunal defined as "reasonably clean and tidy" go figure that!

[Patrick]

Stuff is still in the garage....:zzzz:

[tri boy]

The stuff...the stuff...the stuff is on fire, I don't want ya pennys, just let ya f**ken junk burn.....burn mothaf**ka burn.:ar15: (To the tune of "The Roof Is On Fire")

[Patrick]

Progress... sort of...

New Tenant found, wanted to move in on Friday, but couldn't due to the shit in the garage, as they want to put their stuff in there and secure it, they don't want these drop kicks returning for their stuff and helping themselves to hers... and rightly so.

Tenants came around and moved SOME of the stuff out, were supposed to clean out by Tuesday, but didn't. Said they would have it all out by Saturday:zzzz:... TUI TUI TUI...

Ignored phone messages and texts, so today...

have moved all the stuff worth anything into a secure garage, so it can be uplifted whenever they like... no theft accusations possible for that...:innocent:

Loaded anything that looked like rubbish onto the trailer and took it to their caravan at the camp ground. Sadly they weren't home:shutup:, so I put it all in the awning, in front of the door to the caravan, they can NOT get in to the caravan without moving all of it... a whole trailer load of rubbish (shitty nappies, empty old milk bottles, you name it... Of course I "safely delivered their property to them... I don't know what was in their bags as I wouldn't pry...:innocent:"

Wish I could see their faces when they get home!!!!!

New tenant sounds very promising... lived in the last house for 7 years and only moved because the owners sold. Is into gardening; has her own mower; Rent paid directly by WINZ, not her; she has great references even before the last 7 year rent... Things are looking up :sunny:

But I wish I could see the old tenants faces...:shutup:

[Patrick]

Patrick mate, word to the wise for you. Yes you can get costs associated with recovery back from a tenant, IF you have a clause in your signed tenancy agreement that says all costs of recovery etc are to be paid by the tenant. :yes:

I used to have that one in all my tenancy agreements, it has stood the test of Tribunal, sad thing is you cant recover if it is not there.

You are not allowed to contract out of the Residential Tenancy Act ie, carpets must be commercially cleaned at the end of the tenancy. Yes you can have those words in the agreement, but try to take it to court and you will get a big fat NO!

Have just suggested this exact point to the agency who found our new tenant... while I was in Wellington and wifey is sorting. They (the agency) say I can't do that...???

Why the F#@k not???????????????????????????????

Ringing you tonight Mom.....

[Patrick]

Last straw....

Just received a bill in the mail today for the repair to the rear door they broke... They gave my details as the payer of the bill...arseholes!!!

Looking into this tomorrow... Obtains By Deception (Fraud) me thinks.... me hopes!!!!!!

[u4ea]

Have you had a word to the owners of the camp ground? Im sure they dont want their business tarred by this sort of scum!! The x tenants must be laughing at you thinking they've been clever billing you for the door.Their stupidity know no end!

[deanohit]

Jeez mate, it never ends aye. Sounds like your onto a winner with your next tenant though. Good luck.

[KATWYN]

Just received a bill in the mail today for the repair to the rear door they broke... They gave my details as the payer of the bill...


ARGHH ::gob:angry2::kick::shutup::shutup: The ultimate cheek of it all ! :no:

[janno]

So leaving their stuff at a storage place - does this mean they have to pay to get it?

Good job!!

[Patrick]

Have you had a word to the owners of the camp ground? Im sure they dont want their business tarred by this sort of scum!! The x tenants must be laughing at you thinking they've been clever billing you for the door.Their stupidity know no end!

Have done... was well worth it too...:innocent:


So leaving their stuff at a storage place - does this mean they have to pay to get it?

Good job!!

Sort of... it is in the sister in laws place, safe and secure, but I am billing them the same rate as a self storage business... awaiting the ruling from Tenancy granting me possession and for all costs now...:zzzz:

And now the next installment of: "The tenants from Arsewipesville..."

ITM trying to say, if they don't pay for the door, it will be up to me to pay, as it is my place. While arguing the point, one of the supervisors walked in and joined in the discussion, and beat me to the punch line by saying, "I told the boys never to do that, they have to check with the owners first to make sure it is the owner who will pay." Took the words right out of my mouth!!!!! That stopped the discussion right in its tracks... and the owner of ITM is re-billing them, not me! Hahahahahahahahahaha....

The sacks of shite got home today and found "their stuff" stacked up over the door to the caravan and the texts flew... Said "that was what they expeceted from a "PIG".." Oh, boo hoo, cry me a river, haven't heard that one before...:zzzz:

Said it was "now going to be my problem..." Bring it on cock smoker!!:Punk:

Tried claiming I had unlawfully entered their tent... Pointed out nothing unlawful about delivering their property and putting it in out of the rain for safe keeping for them... Next please...

Pointed out to them that using my name without authority to pay the bill for the door they broke was fraud, but they really don't give a shit...

Then went on to say the house was rat infested... no mention of this... Pointed out it must have been because of the overgrown lawns and gardens, and all their rubbish in the garage must have attracted them...

I so wanted to say, "Nah, the rats moved out the day you left..." but wifey wouldn;t let me!!!

Then they said they "have photos of my handiwork and it will not go unnoticed..."

I asked for a copy so I could show the Tenancy Hearing coming up, just so I could show the Tribunal what "PIGS" they actually were and what they were leaving for me to sort... Didn't get a reply to that one for some reason...

All texts recorded for the Tenancy Hearing!!

Since they are no longer super sucky nosebrowning any more, today I applied for distress warrant so the car can be seized... gloves are off...

Camp site owners are fully aware of the situation and have had a guts full of them after catching them out on lies. They claimed to her that they had just moved up from the south island and didn't know whose stuff it was that had been dumped. He went off at her about letting people into his tent! She let rip and told them she would let whoever she liked into her camp ground. Being aware of the situation, they are TOTALLY supportive of my actions! Turns out the manageress is monitoring our CBD cameras from the end of the month!

Then the caravan hire owner was spoken to...after a heads up from the camp owner that they were leaving. Turns out they had contacted her to uplift the caravan as they were moving out and I enlightened her of the situation, fully... Another one totally on my side. She had seen the tent and it was empty, no rubbish.

But the beautiful part... They asked her for a reference!!!! After telling her my tale of woe, she said she will give them a reference all right, with my details as their previous landlord, "who has plenty to say about them." She too was awesome!!!!

But the icing on the cake... for this reference, she was given their new home address.... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA........ While patrolling, there was their car, just the info the bailiffs needed to seize it!!!

Still got a trailer with busted springs that is full of rubbish parked on the rear section of the rental that is his... I see a delivery coming very soon!!!! :innocent:

[janno]

So it's true then - good things come to he who waits.

Patience is a virtue.

Old age and cunning beats youth and beauty anytime. (guessing on their

youth and beauty here).

Patience and time do more than strength and passion.

And lastly.

Don't fuck with a cop :sunny:

[Delerium]

Good job! let us know how it goes.

[Patrick]

So it's true then - good things come to he who waits.

Patience is a virtue.

Old age and cunning beats youth and beauty anytime. (guessing on their

youth and beauty here).

Patience and time do more than strength and passion.

And lastly.

Don't fuck with a cop :sunny:

Bwahahahahaha....:sunny: Must spread more green bling to tohers blah blah...

Everyone is my friend and I like them... until they prove me wrong, then they become my hated enemy...

Patience and cunning - correct.:yes:

Old age??? I'm hurt...:shit: He is older than me (48) and she is half his age. Neither are beauties....:sick:

[Patrick]

Thanks for all the support folks, it has been awesome and really does keep me going...:rockon:

ITM rang today, still hinting at my having to pay... told them my position and that I would not. Tenancy confirmed for them that the tenants were careless in letting the door slam and break in the wind and are therefore responsible for the damage. ITM have cleared up our issue with me and are billing the sack... Sorted!

The last of this sorry saga is that they have left an old trailer on the property. Its springs are gone, is not roadworthy, hasn't been registered or warranted for two years or so and is chocka full of rubbish (dirty nappies, rubbish etc - and they call me a "PIG"....)

REQUEST

Anyone have a largish trailer capable of winching this smaller trailer on to it so I can make one final "delivery..":innocent:

Must be local and reasonable rates :sunny:(am already $2000 out of pocket due to these sacks of shit:shutup:).

[imdying]

Forgive me for the off topic, but not having had kids, I have to ask... why didn't they just throw out dirty nappies in the trash with all the rest of their rubbish? Is there a law or bylaw about disposing of them in household refuse collection or something?

[Patrick]

Forgive me for the off topic, but not having had kids, I have to ask... why didn't they just throw out dirty nappies in the trash with all the rest of their rubbish? Is there a law or bylaw about disposing of them in household refuse collection or something?

Most people put it out in the rubbish, but then put the rubbish out for collection every week.

These filthy turds appear to have kept their rubbish in the trailer, until it got full, then into the garage...

[Patrick]

Just found out that their car was stolen from their new address sometime overnight... found it gone at 1145 this morning (probably when the lazy feckers woke up...)

Had an immobiliser etc and was parked right outside the house where I saw it yesterday afternoon....

Hoped the courts had seized it under the distress warrant I sought yesterday already, but no..........

KARMA.......:yes:

Most likely a dodgy insurance claim I think, but... who knows... perhaps one of their sack mates has let them know my plans and they are ridding themselves of it????

Will look into it personally, now it is a criminal matter :Police: (and not a landlord tenant private issue...)

Looking for a Green Mitsubishi Emeraude rego ADK313...

Bugger... there goes my money..... hopefully I can find it intact and get the warrant executed by the bailiffs.....:niceone:

[deanohit]

Haha, so either its karma or you've got them caught.Good luck mate.

[Patrick]

Attending cops think it is dodgy... has alarm and immobiliser, was parked right outside their window, down a drive right past another house, they have both sets of keys, there is no broken glass from any forced entry, all neighbours heard nothing, and they want a claim number straight away for the insurance.

He went out in it at 0030hrs to go to an ATM machine... (funny time of night to go to the bank, but ideal time of night to hide/dispose/torch a car???)

Some stuff claimed to be stolen from in the car is stuff we have in storage...:innocent:

Have started a seperate thread... reward to any KB finder of said car...!!!:sunny:

But... trailer needed urgently to deliver their rubbish filled trailer...

[Patrick]

And so are the days of our lives...

Friday the 31st August, 9am, went to court to see how they were going to pay the bill, only they didn't show... SHOCK, HORROR!!!!:innocent:

Bailiffs NOW say, they go to their address and locate them, then formally bail them to appear at another date. If they don't turn up THEN, THEN a warrant is issued for their arrest. (Quite different to what was said would happen to them if they didn't front up for this one on the 31st...).

Then at 2.30pm, the second application was heard about the repairs, costs, storage, trailer and tow truck fees, the property left behind, etc... and guess what... They didn't show... SHOCK, HORROR!!! :shit: Gotta give it to them, they have a 100% non appearance rate!!:sunny:

A further $560 odd awarded to us... but it will mean that I have to pay, at my expense, again, to get them ordered to court to say how they are going to pay, again... but that bill goes onto the costs already ordered...

As for their property, I have to get a registered second hand dealer in to see what he wants to buy and forward the monies he may give me to Wellington "so there is a paper trail" so they can return the $$$ to me. Anything left behind is then deemed trash. Think I will be making another "delivery" of the trash to the trash...:innocent::shutup:

[Sanx]

If this carries on much longer, you'll be rivalling Coro for the longest running soap opera.

Hope you get the buggers, Patrick.

[Patrick]

If this carries on much longer, you'll be rivalling Coro for the longest running soap opera.

Hope you get the buggers, Patrick.

I'm told at least there are some pretty lassies in Coro...

Get them? Too bloody right... VERY patient, I am...

A very wise, world leading, intelligent and attractive person with decent tits once said, "It might not happen overnight, but it will happen..."

[Crisis management]

You've got more patience than I have Patrick, keep going and sink the buggers.

I've always believed in the saying "revenge is a dish best served cold" but the way this lot are dragging the chain it'll almost be frozen by the time you finish them off.......

[Sanx]

A very wise, world leading, intelligent and attractive person with decent tits once said, "It might not happen overnight, but it will happen..."

And would you have listened if they hadn't had decent tits? :lol:

[Patrick]

And would you have listened if they hadn't had decent tits? :lol:

Nope...!!! Shes a bloody airhead... but nice norks...!!!

[Mom]

Nope...!!! Shes a bloody airhead... but nice norks...!!!

Norks being the most important thing to take into consideration of course........LOL.........hope you have that clause in your new tenancy agreement Pat.

Well done keeping on keeping on with this, most ratbag tenants live and rely on the fact that most landlords simply put this kind of thing in the too hard basket. Have you looked into the National Tenancy Database? This is a REINZ backed database where you can register your bad tenants so others dont have the same issues as you have had.

[Patrick]

Just a good ol fashioned red blooded bloke is me...

Wifes law firm said the same thng... "good on ya for sticking to it, most give up and they get away with it..."

Wrong fella to try it on with in this case, like a pit bull on a chihuahua or a cat, ain't letting go for nothing.

Will be registering with them soon, so all good, thanks for the advice throughout Mom...:yes:

[Mom]

Just a good ol fashioned red blooded bloke is me...

Wifes law firm said the same thng... "good on ya for sticking to it, most give up and they get away with it..."

Wrong fella to try it on with in this case, like a pit bull on a chihuahua or a cat, ain't letting go for nothing.

Will be registering with them soon, so all good, thanks for the advice throughout Mom...:yes:

No worries mate anytime, but seriously you do have that clause about recovery of costs in your new agreement eh?

[Patrick]

No worries mate anytime, but seriously you do have that clause about recovery of costs in your new agreement eh?

Agents here rang Tenancy and they said "You can't do it..."

Probably more on a case of not being able to do it on their tenancy agreement form but your own private version must be different in some way??? Couldn't convince me that there was no way it could be done tho...

Anyhoo, new tenant has the rent paid direct by WINZ and she then gets whats left after that, so guaranteed income every week now!!!:woohoo:

[Mom]

Agents here rang Tenancy and they said "You can't do it..."

Probably more on a case of not being able to do it on their tenancy agreement form but your own private version must be different in some way??? Couldn't convince me that there was no way it could be done tho...

Anyhoo, new tenant has the rent paid direct by WINZ and she then gets whats left after that, so guaranteed income every week now!!!:woohoo:

Tenancy Law is an Ass! The 0800 number is manned by some well/and some not so well trained people, most importantly they are not Adjudicators and can not make decisions, they can advise. I used it all the time, and it has stood the test in Tribunal.

Aint WINZ great! word of caution, your tenant has to agree to that happening and can cancel their agreement anytime. If your rent is late by one day, get in your car and go for a visit with a 10 day notice. I was singed by someone that cancelled their approval at WINZ. Keep real close tabs till you are sure is my advice.

LOL.......you love talking to me doncha?

[Patrick]

Tenancy Law is an Ass! The 0800 number is manned by some well/and some not so well trained people, most importantly they are not Adjudicators and can not make decisions, they can advise. I used it all the time, and it has stood the test in Tribunal.

Aint WINZ great! word of caution, your tenant has to agree to that happening and can cancel their agreement anytime. If your rent is late by one day, get in your car and go for a visit with a 10 day notice. I was singed by someone that cancelled their approval at WINZ. Keep real close tabs till you are sure is my advice.

LOL.......you love talking to me doncha?

I told them it has been used before and stood the test, but... bunch of chickens...!!!

No worries about them missing a day... learnt A LOT from this sad sorry pair of losers.... 10 day notice has been completed already, awaiting the date only... hope I don't have to use it, is all...

Good talkin... You could talk an eskimo into buying ice.... LOL....

[ambler]

Every step seems to cost $$$... my dollars, and you can't seek these application fees back either. THAT is what gets up me.... The system sucks for landlords in that point alone....

What a saga.

uh-oh....
must resist ..nnggh... urge to ..bitch about Japan...
can't ....help...

Patrick you wanna be a landlord in Japan where landlords enjoy an almost god-like status, and tenants take it up the arse at every turn.
This is how it works here, ten easy steps from a tenants perspective:

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1. You see an attractive well-priced apartment advertised and contact the estate agency about it. The apartment that was advertised will have 'just been taken' but would you be interested in these other more expensive crappier ones?

2. Be prepared to find your own way around the city to look at apartments while the agent sits in their air-conditioned office. Often you will actually be liasing with the building manager directly to get directions, while the agent does nothing.

3. Make sure you have a guarantor - someone of 'good standing' in the community, to vouch for you if you renege on your rent payments. If you are Japanese and older than 50 this is usually not necessary. If you are Japanese and younger, your parents will do. Otherwise you better know a Japanese somebody's parents. A non-Japanese is not considered a worthy guarantor unless they are rolling in money or are the CEO of a company, preferably both.

4. Find the best apartment you can and apply to be considered as a tenant. This can take anything up to a month but is usually is decided in a couple of weeks, after which you will be informed (dictated?) the date from which have to start paying rent - never mind that you still have to give a months notice on your current residence (typically this will result in a two week period where you pay two rents). Since non-married couples living together are frowned upon, if you want to live with your girlfriend make sure your guarantor knows to lie for you and say that you are engaged. During the credit check/witch hunt process they will likely ring the guarantor and try to check if you are actually engaged or not (true story). If you are black, um... it might be a good idea to make lots of applications for different apartments. If you are black and from Africa, go back to step 1.

5. If you are lucky enough, the landlord will reach down from his shining throne and give you his holy approval. Now you need to crack open your piggy bank. The landlord can demand any number of months rent up-front, any amount he likes as bond, and any amount he likes for 'key money'. Typically for a average apartment these are "2,2,2" meaning you pay two months rent in advance, two months rent as bond, and two months rent as 'key-money'. There is nothing sinister about the two months rent in advance, but the others are pure evil. Here, the bond money goes straight to the landlord, instead of to a third party as in NZ. This beauty of this system is that there will be no disputes about repairs etc when you leave the apartment, simply because the tenant has no leg to stand on. And what's key-money? Key money is a wonderful Japanese invention where you give the landlord money for nothing. It's just a bribe. This system works firstly because every other landlord does it so there are no better alternatives, and secondly because there are squillions of people vying for limited housing - for every would-be tenant who doesn't want to pay key-money, there are plenty of suckers who will. For a nice apartment, you could be looking at '2,3,3' or even '2,4,4' for a very desres. Oops I almost forgot, you need to pay the agency one months rent for their 'introduction fee' too, even though all they did was photocopy a few sheets of paper and make some phone calls.

6. If you are stupid enough to own a cage in Tokyo, you will have to figure out where you are gonna put that too. Naturally a parking space is not included in the apartment rent, and depending on where you live they can be whoppingly costly too (NZ$600/mo per car space in my current apartment building). Hint: ride a bike!!

7. Live in the apartment. Nervously cringe when you accidentally scrape a chair across a wooden floor, or bump something heavy against the walls. Do not pierce the wallpaper - yes that means you are not to hang anything on the walls. God forbid you should break any windows, or burn something - you would probably be treated like a wild animal for the rest of your term. If any repairs need doing during this time, contact the rental management company, who manage the landlords property for him (the estate agency is completely out of the picture by this point). Don't contact the landlord you dummy, what makes you think he would condescend to talk directly to you? Once your request for repairs has been made, you need to wait for permission from the landlord, via rental management. It is out of the question to attempt any unauthorised repairs. Inevitably the landlord is 'a very important, very busy person' and will be hard to get hold of. What this means is that the landlord is trying to get his buddy's renovation company to do the repairs. Landlords always seem to have buddies who run renovation companies. The fact that you are having cold showers for a week or two in the meantime is completely irrelevant, so stop whining. What's that? You want to screw another door over where you broke that window?? ArE yOu nUtS?!? :)

8. If you are looking at a long term stay be aware that there is a 'contract renewal' fee, typically every two years. This can be any amount the landlord decides but is usually one or two months rent. In return for paying this renewal fee you get.... nothing. Well I guess you are supposed to consider living there to be such a privelege that it is worth grovelling some more.

9. Give your notice. Usually, you will meet with some agency or another to 'authorise' the use of the bond money, but they are just as happy to do it in your absence. Either way you will 'agree' to having all your bond money used up in mostly unnecessary repairs to the apartment. I say 'agree' in quotes because that is what Japanese sheeple do. I however have a tendency to fly off the handle when I see $4500 of my good money stolen from right under my nose. The repairs can be whatever the landlord and his renovation buddy feel like they want to repair. Any tatami floor will be replaced as a matter of course. After that its the wallpaper (all of it) and the carpet if there is any (all of it). If there are any fly-screen type doors they will also need to be replaced if any of the netting has the slightest tear or hole in it. A whole multitude of other things will be needing replacement too, and the final cost will come to a few hundred dollars more than your bond money. The reason it is a little more is so they can say 'we really should be charging you more for this', and make you feel like you got something for free...
You can argue at great length (and I have) that this thing or that thing does not need fixing, but the crux of the matter is, your bond money is in their bank account so you might as well be talking to a brick wall. Basically, anything that can be determined to have changed even slightly from the condition it was when you moved in is a target for replacement - even if it's as miniscule as: "If you stand here and look at the wall from this angle with the sun shining like that, you can see a faint mark there right? Looks like somebody made a dent when they were vacuuming the floor hmmm?" (true story).
Often I am dead certain that some of the renovations they claim to be doing never actually get done. I left an apartment after living there barely nine months, after which all kinds of things apparently needed replacing. They 'forgot' to tell me when the meeting would be and when they did call it was just to notify me that all the repairs had been completed and my bond was all gone. When I asked if I could go see the changes I was told no, the new tenants had already moved in... a seemingly impossible feat considering the length of time I had been made to wait for his landlordship to give his holy blessing!

10. Time to leave. Don't bother cleaning anything since you will be paying a couple hundred dollars cleaning fee as well. At the same time you cant leave it in a pigsty because you will get done for that too, I'm just saying don't try to make it spick'n'span yourself in an attempt to avoid the cleaning fee. Even if there is nothing that could possibly be any cleaner, you will still be charged for 'cleaning' anyway.
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As you can see the situation is the complete opposite here. Nobody looks out for the tenant, and you have to be very careful when renting. You will get shafted for sure, there are no two ways about it - all you can do is try to get shafted less.

Man I can write when I rant eh? I guess I am still hurting from February when I moved into my current place. I had to fork out a tad over NZ$10,000 just to get in the door!! You can bet a system like this would keep those dead-beats out!

[Patrick]

Bugger that situation in Japan...!!!

UPDATE:

Got rung by the court, just as I was getting out of the shower, to say they had fronted up to the courts themselves to be assessed on how to pay.

Told them I was at least 30 mins away and the bailiff suggests that they be arrested on the warrant and bailed to court today...

Hmmm... let me think about that one!!!:Pokey:

Lock their sorry arses up I said.... and they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banana::niceone:

Thought about going in today but already knew what the outcome would be, so had a bloody good sleep-in instead...

Called the courts and found out, just as expected... she has no income so no order can be made against her... which is fine...

He is on ACC and can only pay $10 per week, for the whole amount owing, which is actually $5 more than I thought I would get, so... it is a beginning...:woohoo:

Still to get the registered 2nd hand dealer around to check out the stuff in storage. That will come off the bill for what he takes. The rest is DEFINITELY going to the tip or to the Corso Shop. The ex tenants aren't getting it dumped on thier doorstep this time, as the stuff in storage is actually useful to the needy I suppose...:sunny:

[deanohit]

Good on ya for seeing it all the way through mate and nailing the bastards.

[Ghost_Bullet]

Excellent news. this has sure been a long running afair, and you stuck to your guns, where as I resigned to the fact that they disapeared and I lost determination to get anything out of them.

Good on ya dude!!!!!:Police:

[oldrider]

Bugger that situation in Japan...!!!

UPDATE:

Got rung by the court, just as I was getting out of the shower, to say they had fronted up to the courts themselves to be assessed on how to pay.

Told them I was at least 30 mins away and the bailiff suggests that they be arrested on the warrant and bailed to court today...

Hmmm... let me think about that one!!!:Pokey:

Lock their sorry arses up I said.... and they did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:banana::niceone:

Thought about going in today but already knew what the outcome would be, so had a bloody good sleep-in instead...

Called the courts and found out, just as expected... she has no income so no order can be made against her... which is fine...

He is on ACC and can only pay $10 per week, for the whole amount owing, which is actually $5 more than I thought I would get, so... it is a beginning...:woohoo:

Still to get the registered 2nd hand dealer around to check out the stuff in storage. That will come off the bill for what he takes. The rest is DEFINITELY going to the tip or to the Corso Shop. The ex tenants aren't getting it dumped on thier doorstep this time, as the stuff in storage is actually useful to the needy I suppose...:sunny:

Hi Patrick.

So here we are today, 30 October 2007 and this thread has gone cool now.

Obviously you succeeded in ridding yourself of these vermin but how much have you been left "out of pocket" as a result?

(roughly, not personal info)

It sure was a long drawn out bloody process! :doh: Cheers John.

[Mikkel]

Good job on getting them sorted out.

Tenants can be a pain - I know despite not being a landlord. My girlfriend and I are renting a place and are then taking in a couple of flatmates because we like to have people around the house.
Last bloke we had didn't exactly have his life sorted and moved in without actually having enough of an income to live there... was a bit of an annoyance to get it sorted. At least he wasn't being difficult - just unorganised. Still, I prefer to be the flatmate instead of the landlord and I really hate it when people force me into that role through their sheer incompetence.

[HenryDorsetCase]

What a saga.

uh-oh....
must resist ..nnggh... urge to ..bitch about Japan...
can't ....help...

Patrick you wanna be a landlord in Japan where landlords enjoy an almost god-like status, and tenants take it up the arse at every turn.
This is how it works here, ten easy steps from a tenants perspective:

Man I can write when I rant eh? I guess I am still hurting from February when I moved into my current place. I had to fork out a tad over NZ$10,000 just to get in the door!! You can bet a system like this would keep those dead-beats out!

Holy shit. that is amazing! blinged you up.

Question: given that saga, how far does $10k go to buying you a place? then when you move out, you get to beat the snot out of unwitting tenants, aND make friends with someone in the renovation biz.

Mortgage money is lent at 1% p.a. over there or something innit?

Just curious: a client of mine emailed me to say he had bought an apartment in Kyoto, inviting me to use it. Might be easy for him though, his wife is Japanese.

I want to go to Japan. would be fascinating.

[steveb64]

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Wrong fella to try it on with in this case, like a pit bull on a chihuahua or a cat, ain't letting go for nothing.

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More like my blue heeler with a possum!

Fcuk that was a good read! Having been a landlord, and had similar problems myself, I can sympathise.

My story...

Had a rural property up north, had it on the market, but wanted some tenants, so place didn't get stripped.... Neighbour knew someone who was looking for a place - so met them, they seemed Ok... First two weeks in - then no rent, called them and managed to get another week out of them - then nowt more but stories... So off to TT, and got a date set for a hearing to get them chucked out.

Went up to show property to a prospective buyer (friend of a friend) after leaving a message on tenants cell phone er visit and TT. Got there, and arsehole tenant comes raging out - wild eyed, looking like he's SERIOUSLY messed up on summat, raging at me that he's gonna go to TT and have me fined!
I inform him that the TT's already booked - so he's welcome to. Well, THAT set him off. Prick comes at me with fist raised above head, looking like he's about to do murder - I just stood my ground, and said "I DON'T think that's a good idea" - he didn't 'strike' me, but knocked me to the ground (in front of witnesses), and made threats of - "I'm going to get you, smash you into the ground, and stand and piss into your mouth you #%$^*"... then storms off, leaps into his car and races off up to neighbours place - then comes back with another guy I'd never seen before (who sensibly just kept right out of it), and makes more rants and threats.

Meanwhile - I'd been on the phone to 111. What a waste of pharkin time! 15 minutes on the phone to them - and they still couldn't even work out where I was! (Council had changed road name several years before - 111 computers had one name on one system, and other name on other system...). In the end I gave up on them.:mad:

The two guys who'd come out to look at the place were well freaked out, and just wanted to leave - so back into my wagon (4x4 - with trailer on back), head up drive. Stop on RH side of road to close gate behind them - see arsehole tenant speeding up drive in his car, so think "Time to go - dunno what this fecker is gonna do..." - leap into wagon, and SHIT! Tenants car skids to halt at right angles to road, totally blocking my exit - and 'cos of trailer, I couldn't just back up and spin around and go the other way.

Guy starts climbing out of car, obviously in a rage, and hoping to 'get' me while the witnesses were driving up the road - looked like he had something in his hands so... 4x4 into gear, apply gas, aim at open car door. Smashed the door back against the front mudguard (I'd thought about slamming it shut onto his legs - but figured that was a bit too much), and hooked the front corner of 4x4 into front (hinge side) door pillar, and gassed it - pushed car across road, while looking through passenger window to make sure I didn't squash the prick toooo much (didn't want to pop his head - too much shit to clean off the side) - but not too little either.
Shoved car right across road, onto LH side, so road was clear, then backed back enough to clear car - and the dumb fuck jumped out in front of me. SCREAMING something, and standing in the middle of the road. I just looked at him, shifted into 1st, stood on the gas, so he was under NO misunderstanding that I was about to come his way, and dumped the clutch. 3 litre V6 had all 4 wheels spinning (metal road), and he LEAPED!:devil2: Last time I saw him, he was standing on the side of the road shaking his fist at me.:D

Went straight from there to cops - lodged a complaint/report. Trouble was - the fecker lodged one back.... end result of that - even though (maybe because) he was known by the local cops, they couldn't just do him - but they decided to do a "You drop yours, and he'll drop his" deal - which I accepted.

And the TT? They were GREAT! Went in, told the story - and because he'd assaulted me (they called one of the witnesses), and hadn't made ANY attempt to pay any outstanding rent - they ordered immediate eviction (well, at the end of the week). They even asked me if I wanted him out on Friday! Being a soft touch (well, they had two little kids, and his missus was nice enough) - I said "by Monday."

Went up the next weekend, and the house was spotless! (his missus I reckon). But the bastard had poured weedkiller on the grapevine! Prick.

Then the next lot of problems started... bastards broke into the shipping container that had a bunch of our stuff stored in it, and stole a few things - new fishing rod that I'd not even caught a fish with :weep:, and the engine cases for my McIntosh!! :angry2: And stole the electric fence unit, and the water pump from under the house! And the useless insurance company (NZI - post State takeover) wouldn't pay out, as "the tenants were suspected". Even though they'd moved out... :argh:

Then after I'd got my tractor moved down to Whangarei - discovered he'd bloody well filled the diesel tank up with sugar! :angry2: Luckily, too much - it clogged the tank outlet and filters before anything else happened. And they all needed cleaning anyway. Actually ran better afterwards.

After all this, we were totally pissed off with the idea of renting - but still wanted to sell the place (30 hectares + old Kauri villa) - put an ad in the paper this time, met a bunch of the applicants - picked a couple with a kiddie and did a reference check on them. Then signed them up for a 12 month no backing out contract, and took the place OFF the market (while we waited for the prison in Kaikohe to open - figured that would push property prices up). 12 months plus a bit later (tenants were really good - paid rent on time (apart from one small hiccup at the start - which can happen) and mowed the lawns and kept the place tidy.

The payback came - not from the ex tenant (we didn't bother trying to get money - just wanted to be rid of the whole thing) - but when we sold the place... Originally we'd had the place on the market for $150K, and got a best offer of $120K - then next time around (13-14 months later), put it on the market for $230K - and sold it for $210K!:)

So the tenant might have been an arsehole - but indirectly, he made us $90,000!:woohoo:

...and the engine cases were just that. Cases. Cut down ones. With stripped main bearing bolt holes. And nothing else in them. And the neighbours who were his pals, now have to put up with the new owner - who is a bit of a fruitloop by all accounts...:crazy:

...man, I can't believe my bodies reaction to writing this... shaking and sweating... My mum passed away a year or so ago - and now have her place on the market - NO TENANTS! Never again. At least, not unless the rental property is real close to where I'm living...

[ambler]

Question: given that saga, how far does $10k go to buying you a place?
Depends what a 'place' is really... my inlaws' place, a 2 bedroom apartment in a building of 48, about 1 hour out of Tokyo was around $350,000. Closer to Tokyo = more expensive etc. probably more than $500k for the same thing where I live now, closer to Tokyo.

[moko]

Cheers Patrick,and others,for sharing.I was thinking of jumping on the bandwagon here in Pomgolia and doing the "buy to let" thing,instead went for my next best choice,investing in China,against all advice I might add,fund I'm invested in has made 107% in a year and I got in quick enough to make plenty,best bit is I didn't go into debt to make money.From what I've read here,rental property,no ****ing way Jose.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Cheers Patrick,and others,for sharing.I was thinking of jumping on the bandwagon here in Pomgolia and doing the "buy to let" thing,instead went for my next best choice,investing in China,against all advice I might add,fund I'm invested in has made 107% in a year and I got in quick enough to make plenty,best bit is I didn't go into debt to make money.From what I've read here,rental property,no ****ing way Jose.

You only have made money when you sell out dont you? If it was me I would strip out the profits and leave the original investment in place: that way if it does go pear shaped its a zero cost thing.

[Patrick]

Hello - me again with this oldie....

Dropkicks have been paying $10 every week - have anrly paid two weeks rent oewed off the total... :2thumbsup:scratch: without problem... til this week.

Get a letter from the ACC saying that the amount paid is $3.33... No word from them about the change, no reasons, nothing.... Guess they felt that thier cigarettes, piss and drugs are ore important to them than paying their bills.....:girlfight::brick:

Was going to take them a good 4 years to pay at $10 per week. Now it is being turned into 12 years??????

Got some calls to make tomorrow I guess.....

[Nasty]

make the call ... if you have to get a ruling from mediation and garnish their wages - e.g. it is not up to ACC what they pay.

[Patrick]

make the call ... if you have to get a ruling from mediation and garnish their wages - e.g. it is not up to ACC what they pay.

True - but I am picking that they went to the courts and pleaded poverty and had the deduction reduced some how...

[PirateJafa]

True - but I am picking that they went to the courts and pleaded poverty and had the deduction reduced some how...

Yeah, they couldn't afford to super-size their KFC buckets.

It's a bit rich though that they could do that (assuming of course that that is what they did) without you being informed.

[tri boy]

Tazer the fuckers!

[Gubb]

Read all 20 pages. Awesome read. You have the patience of a Saint Pat.

[Patrick]

Yeah, they couldn't afford to super-size their KFC buckets.

It's a bit rich though that they could do that (assuming of course that that is what they did) without you being informed.

Nah - skinny junkies so no KFC there.... But I do want to know why I wasn't contacted by anyone... The junkies won't contact me, but I would have assumed the courts would/should have.


Read all 20 pages. Awesome read. You have the patience of a Saint Pat.

Yep - even have a day named just for me.... 17th March.

[Max Preload]

Don't know how I missed this at the time... :wacko:

I've had a similar problem. In '96 the girlfriend at the time and I moved to Hamilton and rented our West Auckland home out to a young couple to cover the mortgage. They seemed ok - both working - he was a furniture removal driver and moved us down, so that was a bonus, but nowhere near enough to compensate for the hassle.

All was good for about 2 months. Then they rent missed a payment so I decided to go do some work washing the weatherboards down and a bit of work on a half completed retaining wall and give them a rark up.

I needed power for the saw and went into the spare room on that side of the house to put a plug in, but the socket was already occupied with a lead going into the wardrobe. You see where this is going...

So the amateur dope operaton in the wardrobe was collected by the Po-po, the tenants details given and I went back to work. They never arrived home before I finished and headed back to H-Town, but my mind was made up - they were goneburgers.

So I get a call that night asking where the dope is. "Henderson Police Station I presume" is my reply to which the muppet says "I'm going to go down and get it - they can't just take my stuff like that". Good luck with that, pal! :rofl:

Two days later my g/f & I and a mate moved them out... into a miniskip. :2thumbsup I changed the locks and in the process found their copy of the tenancy agreement... excellent - no bond, no tenancy agreement... it was as if they were never even there... :shifty:

I got the rent money out of them a few weeks later and put the rest down to experience.

[Patrick]

"I'm going to go down and get it - they can't just take my stuff like that".

Saved them coming to get him I suppose - very "civil" of him, I thought...

As for the skip bin removal company...:niceone:

[Mom]

Two days later my g/f & I and a mate moved them out... into a miniskip. :2thumbsup I changed the locks and in the process found their copy of the tenancy agreement... excellent - no bond, no tenancy agreement... it was as if they were never even there... :shifty:

I got the rent money out of them a few weeks later and put the rest down to experience.

Be very careful doing that sort of thing, in my experience tenants have become incredibly savvy around the Residential Tenancy Act and its provisions, and will take you to the Tribunal as soon as look at you. Best advice from me, pay a GOOD property manager. Good luck finding one of those, but I can assure you they do exist. PM me if you want some contacts. I am not touting for business either, gave that job up 18 months ago, but I do know a couple of really good ones in Auckland.


Saved them coming to get him I suppose - very "civil" of him, I thought...

As for the skip bin removal company...:niceone:

About had a heart attack when I saw this puppy back on the forum..:lol:

[Nordy]

i would have thought for the courts to change anything you had to be notified. Good luck getting the amount put back up.

Hows the new tenant going?

Good on you for following this through, friend of mine went through a similar system with a tenant, took her AGES to get the TT to sign stuff over to her so she could clean the house out for a new tenant. This time she seems to have found a good one.

[Max Preload]

Be very careful doing that sort of thing, in my experience tenants have become incredibly savvy around the Residential Tenancy Act and its provisions

This was over a decade ago, not that I wouldn't do it again today. That said, that house is long gone.

[Mom]

This was over a decade ago, not that I wouldn't do it again today. That said, that house is long gone.


:lol: thank goodness for that, I about had kittens when I saw this thread back on the forum. There is no doubt that some tenants are extremely challenging, met a few of them in my time.

If you are ever tempted back into residential rental properties, please get in touch, I used to pick up the pieces for private landlords far too often, there are some amazing people out there that excel at their job and are worth every cent in fees.

[ynot slow]

Am in process of shifting,and selling the house/letting it out,by going exclusive with real estate company,my home is able to be managed by them for a slightly less % than normal,they do all checks ,we say yes/no to pets,small babies etc,they do the work.Or we can pay them a one off amount they do checks and we have to organise the payments are up to date.As the shift is only 160km away either option is ok,but for peace of mind will more likely go managed route.Afterall it is ligit expense and deduction.

[Patrick]

It appears that their level of incomes and what is available to be used is assessed by ACC/WINZ and it might have been getting a little tight for them - poor wee things.... As a result, it was assessed that the $10 per week was too much for them to lose. Unsure how they see the $2000 I lost because of them isn't too much for me to lose....

Effing Arse!!!!!!!

Could get them in to court to have them assessed again - at my expense... and they might say the $3.33 is even too much... FFS!

Option 2 is see if they have a car that might be able to be taken in lieu of debt... Hmmmmmmmmmm........:2thumbsup

[PirateJafa]

Don't worry about it Patrick.

Just take the current average interest rate on a bank loan, and work that out over the 12 years it will take them to pay back that $2,000.

Then present them/the court with a invoice/bill for that too.

It's only fair, surely?

[cheese]

I had some shit tennants and I had to evict by moving back in (myself) and then claim all the money back off the bitch about 2 months later. I got her for heaps though. Still was a pain.

[Max Preload]

Don't worry about it Patrick.

Just take the current average interest rate on a bank loan, and work that out over the 12 years it will take them to pay back that $2,000.

Then present them/the court with a invoice/bill for that too.

It's only fair, surely?

You don't understand the game. To losers like these, landlords are simply an inexpensive source of interest free rent money.

[Nasty]

It appears that their level of incomes and what is available to be used is assessed by ACC/WINZ and it might have been getting a little tight for them - poor wee things.... As a result, it was assessed that the $10 per week was too much for them to lose. Unsure how they see the $2000 I lost because of them isn't too much for me to lose....

Effing Arse!!!!!!!

Could get them in to court to have them assessed again - at my expense... and they might say the $3.33 is even too much... FFS!

Option 2 is see if they have a car that might be able to be taken in lieu of debt... Hmmmmmmmmmm........:2thumbsup


If $10 is too much it must be too expensive to run a car!! surely .

[Patrick]

Don't worry about it Patrick.

Just take the current average interest rate on a bank loan, and work that out over the 12 years it will take them to pay back that $2,000.

Then present them/the court with a invoice/bill for that too.

It's only fair, surely?

Fair? Yes it would be... but you can't charge them interest for anything... including the overdraft fees that I copped because their payments were dishonoured... But TT aint fair...


You don't understand the game. To losers like these, landlords are simply an inexpensive source of interest free rent money.

Until I take the car... then see how quick they can come up with what is owed to me, virtually instantly... Via WINZ perhaps???


If $10 is too much it must be too expensive to run a car!! surely .

Yep... Hopefully they have one, so I can help save the running costs for them on that... :devil2:

[normajeane]

Courts advise we can only apply to the Court (after a further 48 hours after the Adjudicators ruling), for an order for them to be bought before the court to assess their means to pay and/or to seek a distress warrant so we can seize the new car they have just bought, which was bought coincidentally on the day before the first day of rent due was missed!!!:shit:

Being an old schooler, I just want to go around and pick them up by the scruff and throw them out the door right now. (I am happy to leave it closed as I do so and pay for the damage afterward myself, as I would consider it money bloody well spent!!!), but the law says I can't do that.:zzzz:


Does anyone else have any real suggestions???


Had a lady at work who looks after her daughter's renter in Dunedin and one tenant has broken several doors and police raided the place (after the tenant had burglerised other property) and found seven yobbos in the room sleeping. She had to get the tenant to sign an agreement to get out immediately and she would fix up damage at her cost (she and husband did it).
Took all of seven hours to get a hold of this fella and he moaned and groaned but signed and left. Door locks changed immediately. So the direct approach may be an option as worked in this instance.:2guns::rolleyes:

[Patrick]

Hah...

Arsewipe has got himself another car. A purple 1992 Falcon!!!! How the feck does he afford the fuel for that???????????

Aint worth much, but hey, Mr Bailiff is gonna come knocking.... $3.33 per week my arse.

Distress Warrant to seize property in lieu of debt owed. Such fun....

[Swoop]

Distress Warrant to seize property in lieu of debt owed. Such fun....
:lol::clap::niceone:

[Forest]

Hah...

Arsewipe has got himself another car. A purple 1992 Falcon!!!! How the feck does he afford the fuel for that???????????

Aint worth much, but hey, Mr Bailiff is gonna come knocking.... $3.33 per week my arse.

Distress Warrant to seize property in lieu of debt owed. Such fun....

Glad to hear you're using the legal tools which are available to you.

It really shits me when low-lifes start to game the system.

[Patrick]

Turns out there awas a glitch in the Matrix... got $16.67 early this week and the regular $10 today, so back to normal at the awesomely massive $10 per week...<_<

Have to wait on the Falcon for now...