What a yacht race... [Archive]

98tls

27th June 2007, 05:02

Anyone mad enough to get up and watch the 3rd race......a minute 23 ahead then we lose the lead...:gob: then this amazing race downwind to the finish which team NZ win.........great stuff and so glad i got up........poor old dogs glad its over....he was getting a bit worried with the excitement....ie yelling and swearing at the TV....

sAsLEX

27th June 2007, 05:16

FANFUCKINTASTIC!

Now if only the refs could stop the foul play on Richie and we don't have to unleash Jerry and the rest on them ending up in red cards.......

marty

27th June 2007, 05:44

just home from work. not much got done tonight - much swearing and flailing of arms going on in the hangar tonite :)

i think we have just watched probably the best yacht race in AC history.

vifferman

27th June 2007, 09:07

What? What?!?

I thought you were going to say something about FullContactPirateRulesYachtRacing. Now that would be exciting.
So, no-one sunk? There were no giant fireballs as the torpedo keel bulb turned out to be full of high explosives? :unsure:

Edbear

27th June 2007, 09:28

Lissa

27th June 2007, 09:33

Awesome, I heard on the radio this morning we won the third race... I havent managed to catch one on TV yet, I might watch tonights.. or early tomorrow mornings race for sure! :yes: Go TNZ!

terbang

27th June 2007, 09:39

Bloody yodelling Nazis and turncoats, but they are a formidable team that had Mrs T and I writhing in agony at 4 am. That one has to be historical.

sAsLEX

27th June 2007, 09:42

my respect for Dean Barker went up a notch.

Great race for sure!

there was question about how he would perform under pressure before and after the third race, doubt that question remains and I feel old Butterworth maybe using the F word a little more in the coming days.

Swoop

27th June 2007, 10:53

Suuuuuuuuuperb!!!!

Better than any pointy-ball game!!!!!!!!!!!!

mazz1972

27th June 2007, 11:01

Awesome race....and Butterworth had to complain afterwards that the race shouldn't have been held in those wind conditions.....bet he wouldn't have said that if Alinghi won.

Hope I'm not the only one that thinks Butterworth is an arrogant pr*ck.

Edbear

27th June 2007, 11:18

Mrs T and I writhing in agony at 4 am...

Bad back, mate...?:innocent:

RantyDave

27th June 2007, 11:23

Watched the highlights this morning. Spent most of the first half of the race yelling at the crappy editing, by half way through it was obvious that they had their work cut out to edit it down at all. What a stonker of a yacht race. I also didn't realise till after than when TNZ's bowman came a cropper they got the port genoa sheet gnarled up and had to cut it free - hence TNZ being stuck on starboard for so long, heading over to the right hand side of the course, opening up a huge separation over Alinghi and nearly NEARLY throwing the whole thing in the bin.

Holy shit, what a race. Can you imagine how tense the final run would have been onboard TNZ?

Dave

The Pastor

27th June 2007, 11:31

Im glad we won, i was watching the highlights this morning but i had to leave for my last exam. When i left tnz had just stuffed up some sail thing coming down (he fell over bord!) and the lead went from 350m to 50m! then sortly after they had lost the lead!

What a race! Well done to tnz!

spudchucka

27th June 2007, 11:39

Hope I'm not the only one that thinks Butterworth is an arrogant pr*ck.

He's the new Dennis Conner!

modalx

27th June 2007, 12:27

Anyone else think Pete Montgomery should give it up? He had Coutts with him this morning and wouldn't let the best helmsman in the world get a word in edgewise. His inane commentary drives me NUTS!

Swoop

27th June 2007, 12:29

Anyone else think Pete Montgomery should give it up? He had Coutts with him this morning and wouldn't let the best helmsman in the world get a word in edgewise. His inane commentary drives me NUTS!
Added to the fact that he has been doing it since 1987!:bye:

terbang

27th June 2007, 13:00

Anyone else think Pete Montgomery should give it up? He had Coutts with him this morning and wouldn't let the best helmsman in the world get a word in edgewise. His inane commentary drives me NUTS!

Best helmsman in the world maybe, still a turncoat that was lucky to even get mentioned over here. Hope his yodelling is coming along fine...

FREE2B

27th June 2007, 14:07

Gotta be one of the best AC races Ive seen! Can only imagine how TNZ felt following Alinghi round the top mark after the third leg. :doh: But they kept on them and did what had to be done!! Well done team. :yes::woohoo:

Oakie

27th June 2007, 14:22

Anyone else think Pete Montgomery should give it up? He had Coutts with him this morning and wouldn't let the best helmsman in the world get a word in edgewise. His inane commentary drives me NUTS!

Be thankful it's not Murray Mexted doing the commentary.

Nasty

27th June 2007, 14:28

I think that it is really funny that Alinghi now says the race should not have gone ahead ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/4109844a10.html ... what would they have said if THEY had won!! :yes:

ManDownUnder

27th June 2007, 14:34

Where to download the virtual spectator SW?

RantyDave

27th June 2007, 14:46

Best helmsman in the world maybe, still a turncoat that was lucky to even get mentioned over here.
I never get this whole "turncoat" thing. Like, FFS, he's a professional sailor who got a really good job offer overseas. That's really all there is to it.

Dave

ManDownUnder

27th June 2007, 14:58

I never get this whole "turncoat" thing. Like, FFS, he's a professional sailor who got a really good job offer overseas. That's really all there is to it.

Dave

AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dude is top of his game ad was recruited by another team FFS.

Either that or you better start including a large number of others as turncoats, kick all the Pacific Islanders out of the All Blacks etc etc etc.

Professional sports is about BUYING AND MANAGING TALENT. Nothing more, nothing less.

Blackbird

27th June 2007, 15:06

A nice shot of the bowman hanging on for dear life during his dip!

mazz1972

27th June 2007, 15:25

MisterD

27th June 2007, 15:39

Anyone else think Pete Montgomery should give it up? He had Coutts with him this morning and wouldn't let the best helmsman in the world get a word in edgewise. His inane commentary drives me NUTS!

Interesting...to me it sounded like he was running out of ways to try to get Coutts to actually contribute something....

MisterD

27th June 2007, 15:42

I never get this whole "turncoat" thing. Like, FFS, he's a professional sailor who got a really good job offer overseas. That's really all there is to it.

Dave

I think the three words you are looking for are "breach", "of" and "contract" in that order.

Patrick

27th June 2007, 17:18

i think we have just watched probably the best yacht race in AC history.

Too right there Marty!

I never get this whole "turncoat" thing. Like, FFS, he's a professional sailor who got a really good job offer overseas. That's really all there is to it.

Dave

Too true. Who would turn down a $2 Million offer? Who are these Americans on our boat??? Are they turncoats?

Its not like it is an NZ boat... Emirates, Toyota, Telecom, let alone the crew... get over it, it is done. He will be back but I doubt it would be for NZ after the way he was treated. USA is my guess.

Patrick

27th June 2007, 17:20

I think the three words you are looking for are "breach", "of" and "contract" in that order.

Not so sure... after the cup was won, everyone came off contract.... $2 million was not going to be matched by NZ... There is life after Coutts after all....

Chrislost

27th June 2007, 18:17

it was my understanding that coutts left because NZ wasnt going to listen to his way of doing things, then a impressive job offer came and someone who would do what he wanted...

Then was my understanding he wanted things done a certain way this time around and it didnt happen...

who knows...
their all PROFESSIONAL and when you do somthing for money and somebody offers you 3-4 times what your earning would you stay with your same old?

Ocean1

27th June 2007, 20:47

Boats and teams are so even, one mistake and your history - or maybe not! TNZ kept their cool and came back and Alinghi just picked the wrong side.

It's too close to call. Head says Alinghi has the edge, but last night TNZ showed their hardness and my respect for Dean Barker went up a notch.

Great race for sure!

What? What?!?

I thought you were going to say something about FullContactPirateRulesYachtRacing. Now that would be exciting.
So, no-one sunk? There were no giant fireballs as the torpedo keel bulb turned out to be full of high explosives? :unsure:

Damn fine idea, when technology and skill are too close to make for good TV ratings introduce restricted armament.

Limits of course, no big stuff, say a dozen morters each... Cool.

sAsLEX

28th June 2007, 02:35

who knows...
their all PROFESSIONAL and when you do somthing for money and somebody offers you 3-4 times what your earning would you stay with your same old?

And if you made the nationality clause hold then most of the other boats would be missing crews as there is a NZer in most boats isn't there?

skidMark

28th June 2007, 03:24

Patrick

28th June 2007, 12:46

And if you made the nationality clause hold then most of the other boats would be missing crews as there is a NZer in most boats isn't there?

And Americans...

yod

28th June 2007, 13:32

And if you made the nationality clause hold then most of the other boats would be missing crews as there is a NZer in most boats isn't there?

You could say that - during the Louis Vuitton finals between NZ and Luna Rossa there were 34 crew members altogether on both boats

25 of them were kiwis

Reckless

28th June 2007, 13:49

Race 4 wasn't as good DAMN IT!!

I agree with all your comments about kiwi sailors being professionals that can go anywhere they get the best deal etc. Probably NZ is the only place we look on our yaght as a national representation not just rich guys racing against more rich guys.

Its not fair on him, BUT there's just something about Butterworth standing in that damn boat when it crosses the line in front. Something in me, against my better judgement, that can't help screeming "YOU TRAITOROUS BASTARD"

Patrick

29th June 2007, 10:28

BUT there's just something about Butterworth standing in that damn boat when it crosses the line in front. Something in me, against my better judgement, that can't help screeming "YOU TRAITOROUS BASTARD"

Or, "You arrogant prick..."

Ocean1

29th June 2007, 11:31

Or, "You arrogant prick..."

Must be, he might be working "off shore" but he's still a Kiwi tall poppy eh?

Reckless

29th June 2007, 12:37

Must be, he might be working "off shore" but he's still a Kiwi tall poppy eh?

aaww!! don't get all deep on us now Ocean. For me its not the tall poppy syndrome. Its just, "we love to hate the opposition" especially when he's good.

Ocean1

29th June 2007, 13:02

aaww!! don't get all deep on us now Ocean. For me its not the tall poppy syndrome. Its just, "we love to hate the opposition" especially when he's good.

Oh yeah, a competition against an utter bastard is WAY more fun than one against a real nice guy.

That's why we love playing against the Aussies. :shutup:

Reckless

29th June 2007, 13:29

yep you got it 100%.
When your racing he's that "utter bastard" (as you say) thats beating you, and when your havin a beer after, hes that real nice guy that you've either beaten or been beatin by.

Can't see a problem with that.

And I agree that is why we play the Aussies they are real nice guys unless the're agin us!!

Patrick

29th June 2007, 17:07

Must be, he might be working "off shore" but he's still a Kiwi tall poppy eh?

Short dumpy potty.... not poppy...

Good on him and Coutts, I say anyways...

98tls

29th June 2007, 17:09

Another race tonight boys/girls.......anyone no what time it kicks off........

Patrick

29th June 2007, 17:29

Depends on wind conditions, blah blah,... usually same bat time, same bat place....

Skyryder

30th June 2007, 23:08

Its not fair on him, BUT there's just something about Butterworth standing in that damn boat when it crosses the line in front. Something in me, against my better judgement, that can't help screeming "YOU TRAITOROUS BASTARD"

Nothing traitorouse about Kiwis sailing for other syndicates. These guys are proffessional sailors and if another syndicate comes up with a better offer why should they not take it. This nationality thing is all bullshit promoted by the media reporting. The Swiss or Italians or the Americans or whatever. The sooner some you guys understand this you might just have a bit more respect or kiwi sailors. We are the best in the world. So others know that too. Enjoy the compliment while it lasts. Nothing ever stays the same forever.

Skyryder

Patrick

1st July 2007, 00:06

rwh

1st July 2007, 12:49

Just a shame they can't get them all in the same boat together again... the cup would be home tomorrow...

Time to bring back the big boat you think?

Goodish race last night (and the first one I've watched) - don't understand gybing away while only 25m behind, but I guess they had their reasons.

Richard

$CENSLS1$

1st July 2007, 13:12

Tough race last night, I think we really had to win last night's one to have any chance of bringing the cup home to NZ..Now that we're 4-2 down I think we have lost our momentem and it might be at least another 4 years before we see the cup again..I still can't help thinking that the whole 'Protest over the man up the mast' was what got us off track..I still think we should have stuck to beating them on the water and not be distracted by something so insignificant :innocent:

Anyhow, great job guys and goodluck for the next race :rockon:

RantyDave

1st July 2007, 17:06

don't understand gybing away while only 25m behind
I didn't see the race - was it on the second downwind leg? If so, there's a simple explanation: Because they were behind.

One of the luxuries of being behind with the finish line looming is that you can try whatever you want because it doesn't matter - it's not like the situation is going to get any worse. It's also remarkably difficult to pass going downwind, certainly at this level, and so you do need to try something radical.

The best passing manoeuvre I ever saw was what Russell Coutts did to Dean Barker in the only even moderately close race of the last America's Cup: Coming from behind he drew him into a luff using the only hard and fast rule of being ahead on the last leg (stay between the finish line and the second place boat); he then used the luff to collapse TNZ's kite and slice round and underneath for the win. Imaginative, cruel, and exactly the kind of thing that makes these guys a hundred times better at this sport than you or I could ever dream of being.

Dave

Patrick

1st July 2007, 19:41

Thats what I couldn't figure... move the boat a little and block/take the wind right out of Alinghis sails... sorted.

rwh

1st July 2007, 21:14

I didn't see the race - was it on the second downwind leg? If so, there's a simple explanation: Because they were behind.

One of the luxuries of being behind with the finish line looming is that you can try whatever you want because it doesn't matter - it's not like the situation is going to get any worse. It's also remarkably difficult to pass going downwind, certainly at this level, and so you do need to try something radical.

They never sail directly downwind, so there's always an upwind side. At 25m and closing, if you go round the upwind side, you should be able to just keep gaining till you're right along side. If Alinghi gybed to get away, they'd lose a bit of time because they're slower at it than TNZ. I'm not sure what the rules are on luffing in AC; normally I think you're not allowed to sail above your 'proper course'? Maybe they don't have that rule.

I'd like to have seen more of the 'virtual eye' wind disturbance graphics around that time though.

Richard

Reckless

1st July 2007, 22:06

Nothing traitorouse about Kiwis sailing for other syndicates. These guys are proffessional sailors and if another syndicate comes up with a better offer why should they not take it. This nationality thing is all bullshit promoted by the media reporting. The Swiss or Italians or the Americans or whatever. The sooner some you guys understand this you might just have a bit more respect or kiwi sailors. We are the best in the world. So others know that too. Enjoy the compliment while it lasts. Nothing ever stays the same forever.

Skyryder

Jeepers skyryder if you read ALL of my original post you would have seen I agree with you. They can take whatever deal they like, with whoever they like.
But when I watch Butterworth beat us, I still have that same feeling. As I said quite clearly its against my better judgment, but its still there. And if I had a dollar for everyone that felt the same I'd bet I'd be doing O'K. :rockon: