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Big Dave
30th June 2007, 11:58
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Wet Saturday so I'm workin'. Reminded me of a bit from my Thruxton article in the next Kiwi Rider.
There is a fair bit m0re about the bike on either side of this:

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It was having the best time, punting it around the Auckland Bays on a blue Saturday morning, glorying in all this Café racer imagery and costume, dining out on the associated nostalgia, that it struck me that I needed to find out more about the era and the machine this bike tips its lid to.

First I consulted Ian Chadwick’s Triumph Time line online (Google it):

‘1964 saw the first Thruxtons produced. ‘This year only eight Triumph Thruxton machines are made, basically standard production Bonnevilles pulled from the line and sent to the special projects department for upgrading. They produced 54bhp and many of their modifications become standard on later production bikes.’

‘1965.
This year, 52 Thruxton Bonnies are made in May, the most ever produced. Triumph is making 600-800 bikes a week, 80 per cent of them bound for the USA.’

’65 was also the year Hugh Anderson won the 125cc World Championship on a Suzuki, the final season of Hailwood’s four in a row and the year before Agostini won seven of the ‘500cc big dances’ in succession. (Seven!)

Cool, the Thruxton name has an impressive pedigree.

Endurance racing was also popular at the time and a Thruxton notched wins at Brands Hatch in 1966 and won the IOM TT in 1967.

By the time I got back on board I was ready for ‘Mike the Bike’ and ‘Ago’ - anytime baby!

As the flag dropped on the Ellerslie on-ramp grand prix it was on - all the way to Mission Bay. But was that the spirit?

I had the bike, the gear and the vibe…but an Al fresco Latte overlooking a sapphire blue harbour and volcanic ramparts next to a drop dead gorgeous bike was about as tough as it sounds, but it wasn’t exactly the Ace Café. Was it?

You can’t study the history of motorcycling without seeing some reference to the ‘golden age’, the Ace Café, aces of clubs graphics and imagery. Iconic.

Peter Jenks runs ‘Jenks Bolts’, a Specialist Bonneville parts and accessories business, in Salisbury. He now rides a new Thruxton.

I asked him about the Ace Café ‘Now and then’, and for his recollections of the ‘Halcyon days.’

‘Back then it was one of tens of thousands of transport Cafes where truck drivers stopped to eat. In those days bikers and the ‘young’ weren't welcome in pubs, or anywhere.

They found a welcome in the transport cafes. Although there was no drink, just cigarettes, very bad coffee made from ‘Camp Brand Coffee Extract’ and strong tea.’ He reported.

All of a sudden I had a handle on the ‘Café’ in ‘Café racer’. Rather obvious, David.

‘The Ace happened to be on a road that allowed some interesting road racing. In the NW London outskirts it was easily accessible by bus to many, many young kids who aspired to a bike, but couldn't ever get one.

All Transport Café’s had juke boxes so music was a key part of the atmosphere: food, tea, music, bikes, noise – it was a place to be.’ Continued his insights.

Meantime, I’m getting misty eyed and ‘yeah baby’ all at once.

I imagined tearing around on machines that performed quite similarly to the 2007 Thruxton.
Just that the new one is not hampered by Lucas electrical and copious oil leaks. Nonetheless, I could see the Bedford vans and Tobacco cards and Joananna Lumley pinups in my minds eye.

We don’t need no steenkin’ muscle cars.

But then he concluded: ‘Now: It’s a pastiche of a lot of memory cues and other than being in the building it started out in, not much is like it was.’

‘Not so the bike.’ I thought. Give me nowadays and the reliability of the new one.

Derek Peters, a career ‘Bobby’ doing his National Service during the first Thruxton era used to call in to the Ace.

His recollections began: ‘There, strategically situated, sat the Ace Café. A rather dowdy trucker’s cafe that stayed open 24 hours a day.

The cafe was a natural meeting spot for motorcyclists to slowly drink their beverage or soft drink and meet up with their female company.

The blare of the Juke Box, knocking out the music of the day, added to the atmosphere.

It was not a particularly attractive place and could never be described as comfortable, but the tea and hot food was consumed in the main by truckers and was therefore wholesome, to say the least.’ Was the picture Derek painted.

Now I was right in touch with the joint.

He continued: ‘I witnessed motorcyclist travelling at ‘highish’ speeds around the North Circular in an irresponsible manner, just like the modern sports bike riders.

I saw bikes leave the Ace Cafe driven by obvious idiots, but I can't honestly say that I ever saw riders trying to cover a given distance before a record ended. I think this is very much a myth thought up at a later date.’

Of course we weren’t racing Officer!

‘The Cafe was a useful acquisition in its day and certainly provided a meeting place for motorcyclists, but a lot of the glamour has been added since by people looking through those rose tinted spectacles.’

At this point an unmaned source online chimed in with a positive ’07 perspective: ‘Two redeeming features of the Ace: The Slovakian or possibly Polish bird behind the counter and the cheese omelettes.’

Contemplating this, the fern leaf pattern in the froth of my soymilk latte - served in the shadow of Rangitoto - and a shimmering blue south pacific brought me back to reality with a thud.

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BIGBOSSMAN
30th June 2007, 12:17
I always wondered where the 'cafe' in cafe' racer came from. And I've been to Thruxton circuit a few times, I used to drive past it every day while I worked in Middle Wallop (!) - it's a bloody fast track. Nice looking Trumpy on your pic, BigDave.:yes:

xwhatsit
30th June 2007, 12:17
Read the full review on your site a week ago. Nice words. I like the bike, but there's something a little awry with the proportions in the rear. The guard perhaps? Triumph should look at the GB400/500 -- that set-up would've suited much better.

I could live with the Lucas electrics and oil leaks for the original :love: The 1965 one is my favourite -- is it based on the T120? Nicest tank at any rate.
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BigG
30th June 2007, 12:47
The Thruxton Bonneville or the T120R I thought was produced in 1962 the last of the pre unit construction models, I also thought Triumph had to produce 100 of them so they could race this bike as a production racer. My mate had one and for that time not much could stay with him. Paul Dunstall use to modify Nortons, Dunstall dominators and others to. That is a good article you put up Big Dave and a nice thruxton. We use to blast from town to town in the 60,s and was said Caf'e to Caf'e. I was raceing with me mates back from Bridlington on a 650 thunderbird and a bloody cop on a Triumph speed twin pulled up beside me and flaged me down. Gave us a right bollocking and told us to go on our way. He was nice to us cos he wanted to drag us off and show us up we was doing between 90-100 mph when he pulled us over.

BigG
30th June 2007, 13:01
Dug up a picture of 65 T120R

Big Dave
30th June 2007, 13:06
The Thruxton Bonneville or the T120R I thought was produced in 1962 the last of the pre unit construction models, I also thought Triumph had to produce 100 of them so they could race this bike as a production racer.

Do you have a source?
Chadwicks word is good - I know him - it's as well researched as can be done from afar.

Paul in NZ
30th June 2007, 13:25
The Thruxton Bonneville or the T120R I thought was produced in 1962 the last of the pre unit construction models, I also thought Triumph had to produce 100 of them so they could race this bike as a production racer. My mate had one and for that time not much could stay with him. Paul Dunstall use to modify Nortons, Dunstall dominators and others to. That is a good article you put up Big Dave and a nice thruxton. We use to blast from town to town in the 60,s and was said Caf'e to Caf'e. I was raceing with me mates back from Bridlington on a 650 thunderbird and a bloody cop on a Triumph speed twin pulled up beside me and flaged me down. Gave us a right bollocking and told us to go on our way. He was nice to us cos he wanted to drag us off and show us up we was doing between 90-100 mph when he pulled us over.

Nope.... To my knowledge there was never a pre unit Thruxton. Triumph tried racing the pre unit bonnies but the 61's frames fell to bits and while the 62 had an extra bracing strut they were no match for a Norton 650SS.

The 'R' in T120R usually means its an export spec Bonnie but Triumph were pretty casual about some suffix's.

Usual std was...

T120 - 'Home' model bonnie
T120R - 'Export' or US spec bonnie
TR6 - Trophy - Home market single carb street bike
TR6R - Tiger - 'Export' or US spec of Trophy
TR6C - Trophy 'Competition' model street scrambler - US spec - export only

You can add in

T120TT
T120SR
TR6SR
T120C
T120SC

And a bunch of other wierdies....

While Triumph did make 'Thruxton' Bonnies and parts appeared in various parts books etc, Joe public didn't have a shit show of obtaining one. They made bugger all (prob less than you think) and many of them were recycled next season or crashed blown up etc. Factory favoured dealer teams usually raced them because Edward turner was dead against racing but he would support production based racing if he thought the bike was competitive..

I guess the glory days were the later 60's when Turners influence was gone? Triumph had a couple of good seasons for sure at the production TT...

Most Thruxtons are fakes or replicas and very very very few properly documented bikes exist (prob under 20) and they cost a lot of money.

However, you need to remember that Thruxton was an endurance race at an old airfield called Thruxton and a lot of other bikes did very well there and Velocettes 'Thruxton' was entitled to the name before Triumph.

The Thruxton Triumph was a great bike but it was never a production model - every one of them was a little different and were all handbuilt from std Bonnies, the current model, while a worthy bike is perfectly entitled to the name but its not a handbuilt one off racer like the real thing....

Now - IMHO - the most significant 'racing' Triumph ever made in the classic period? Without a doubt the 500cc Daytona, it was remarkable!!! Close second the T120TT...... Sex on a stick but really - it was only the engine the yanks wanted... They could build their own frames..

Bonez
30th June 2007, 13:48
A breif history - http://www.t140.com/history/

Bonez
30th June 2007, 14:08
Read the full review on your site a week ago. Nice words. I like the bike, but there's something a little awry with the proportions in the rear. The guard perhaps? Triumph should look at the GB400/500 -- that set-up would've suited much better.Hmmm get rid of the "cut off" look and merge it with the guard arc you mean?

Personnally I think the guard would look better in black. Far too much red on the arse end takes the emphasis off the seat cowl.

Paul in NZ
30th June 2007, 15:02
A breif history - http://www.t140.com/history/

I just delved into the library and the Don Morely books probably confirming what dave said

Basically - Norton was winning everything pre 62 under Doug Hele. Hele joined Triumph in 1962 and with Percy Tait developed the first 'Thruxtons' which made its appearance in 1964. The rules were the bikes had to be dealer entered production machines but the factory removed bikes from the production line and tweaked them.. (cough cough)

8 machines were made in 1964 and following complaints 52 were made in 1965 (although another book I have claims 52 were on the books but the number made was less). A few more were made in 1966 but these were 'retained' by the factory. No more bikes were officially built but the retained ones were continuously upgraded and raced with success in 1967, 68 and 69...

Not really cafe racers because they were never intended to be anything but production race bikes.... but very special - legendary machines....

xwhatsit
30th June 2007, 15:12
Hmmm get rid of the "cut off" look and merge it with the guard arc you mean?

Personnally I think the guard would look better in black. Far too much red on the arse end takes the emphasis off the seat cowl.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Not really sure. I've enclosed a photo of a nice domestic-model GB to show you how the guard could look. In fact, on here, the guard is shorter, so who knows. I'm no bike stylist. In terms of colours... red is definitely wrong (for the guard).

Typical British styling -- the nicest lines, the best proportions -- and then at the last minute screw something up :D Jaguar have been doing it for years. On the whole though, gorgeous.

Bonez
30th June 2007, 15:26
Good stuff guys. Wikipedia has a bit of guff about Cafe Racing- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caf%C3%A9_racer
Although not gospel by any means, probably puts a few things in perspective.

Big Dave
30th June 2007, 16:18
<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>red is definitely wrong (for the guard).



I like it. Only thing I would change is the pipes.

Scouse
30th June 2007, 16:42
I like it. Only thing I would change is the pipes.I'd only dhange the pipes to somthing that looked the same but are louder like some custom chambers pipes nice writeup by the way Dave

Scouse
30th June 2007, 16:45
<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Not really sure. I've enclosed a photo of a nice domestic-model GB to show you how the guard could look. In fact, on here, the guard is shorter, so who knows. I'm no bike stylist. In terms of colours... red is definitely wrong (for the guard).

Typical British styling -- the nicest lines, the best proportions -- and then at the last minute screw something up :D Jaguar have been doing it for years. On the whole though, gorgeous.Your a fucking heathen uttering Triumph and then saying honduh made the gb look nicer all in the same sentance

xwhatsit
30th June 2007, 18:06
Your a fucking heathen uttering Triumph and then saying honduh made the gb look nicer all in the same sentance

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Calm down you crazed zealot :D

If it makes you feel any better, the GB500 looks to me like it's a rip off of an AJS Boy Racer -- there you go, AJS is better than Triumph :lol:



Modern Triumph have their heart in the right place -- their wallet (at least this time they might survive) -- but some of their retro models seem slightly cartoony to me. They're not supposed to be Volkswagen Beetle-style retro, they're attempting to be Caterham 7-style retro, which is all well and good, but they could do much better. The new Scrambler is a much better stab at it IMHO, although peculiarly it also seems to have suffered from a strain of fat-arsed-itis, albeit on a much smaller scale than the Thruxton.

Note I'm still a big fan of the new Thruxtons and Bonnies -- but any bike has it's flaws, and sometimes in the right circumstances they can become endearing, just like your girlfriends way of over-generalising English and sometimes saying `I'm just going to pick up some stuffs from my mother'. Some guys like fat arses, it's true. At any rate it's a vast improvement from the 2004 model Thruxton.

BigG
30th June 2007, 20:29
Nope.... To my knowledge there was never a pre unit Thruxton. Triumph tried racing the pre unit bonnies but the 61's frames fell to bits and while the 62 had an extra bracing strut they were no match for a Norton 650SS.

The 'R' in T120R usually means its an export spec Bonnie but Triumph were pretty casual about some suffix's.

Usual std was...

T120 - 'Home' model bonnie
T120R - 'Export' or US spec bonnie
TR6 - Trophy - Home market single carb street bike
TR6R - Tiger - 'Export' or US spec of Trophy
TR6C - Trophy 'Competition' model street scrambler - US spec - export only

You can add in

T120TT
T120SR
TR6SR
T120C
T120SC

And a bunch of other wierdies....

While Triumph did make 'Thruxton' Bonnies and parts appeared in various parts books etc, Joe public didn't have a shit show of obtaining one. They made bugger all (prob less than you think) and many of them were recycled next season or crashed blown up etc. Factory favoured dealer teams usually raced them because Edward turner was dead against racing but he would support production based racing if he thought the bike was competitive..

I guess the glory days were the later 60's when Turners influence was gone? Triumph had a couple of good seasons for sure at the production TT...

Most Thruxtons are fakes or replicas and very very very few properly documented bikes exist (prob under 20) and they cost a lot of money.

However, you need to remember that Thruxton was an endurance race at an old airfield called Thruxton and a lot of other bikes did very well there and Velocettes 'Thruxton' was entitled to the name before Triumph.

The Thruxton Triumph was a great bike but it was never a production model - every one of them was a little different and were all handbuilt from std Bonnies, the current model, while a worthy bike is perfectly entitled to the name but its not a handbuilt one off racer like the real thing....

Now - IMHO - the most significant 'racing' Triumph ever made in the classic period? Without a doubt the 500cc Daytona, it was remarkable!!! Close second the T120TT...... Sex on a stick but really - it was only the engine the yanks wanted... They could build their own frames..
Well done thats heaps of good info thanks. My mate had a 1962 T120R and we were under the asumption that the R was for raceing, was a real quick bike for its time a lot og guys were wiping the motors out of the Bonnies and fitting them to the feather bed frame then you had the real McCoy.:first:

McJim
30th June 2007, 20:45
We (Auckland motorcyclists) need a cafe...or two.....

gijoe1313
1st July 2007, 01:52
We (Auckland motorcyclists) need a cafe...or two.....

Motomail don't count? Or do we need something like Ace Cafe? Or ... McJim's and Chickadee's biker hangout and meet point?

Actually I think Donor is working on that ... :whistle: But it's Southside... you'll probably find your bike jacked up on bricks and missing it's tyres! :pinch:

Bonez
1st July 2007, 21:21
I must say they do look good in black-

Sidewinder
1st July 2007, 21:37
i like it?!!!!!!!!!!?

my mate is named after the bonnievillie

Mr. Peanut
1st July 2007, 21:44
Mmmmmmmmmmm.....

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