Fire extinguishers compulsory

[GSVR]

6-12-4a
At all Road Race meetings a 1kg (minimum weight) sealed and operational fire extinguisher mush be visibly present in each riders pit area.


Just to remind people that this rule is now in effect so we will all need an extinguisher at the next Vic Round.

[Toast]

Thanks for the heads up :niceone:

Best place to buy one? How much?

[Nasty]

Thanks for the heads up :niceone:

Best place to buy one? How much?

Should be able to buy them at the local hardware store ... mitre 10 bunnings etc ... or safety store.

[ajturbo]

soooo... does that mean my 3kg one will do 3 pits????:dodge:

[Racey Rider]

Would be an ideal product to buy through the proposed KBRacing Team.

Bulk buy discount???

[What?]

Brilliant rule. Unless you are very quick, very lucky and very skilled, a 1Kg cylinder is about as much use on a fuel fire as pissing on it.

[roadracingoldfart]

Dont panic yet folks. The rule is for the NATIONAL SERIES but not yet effecting the Vic Club in my understanding.
I will phone a comittee member to have this confirmed / denied.
PS; i agree with the rule but notice has to be given.
Cheers Paul.

[FROSTY]

Nahhh fuggit paul --There aint many of the rules im totally in agreement with but this is definitely one -The 1kg units are only about thirty bucks

[roadracingoldfart]

Nahhh fuggit paul --There aint many of the rules im totally in agreement with but this is definitely one -The 1kg units are only about thirty bucks



Ummm didnt i just state i agree with the rule ?????.

BUT , the only thing a 1 kg cylinder will smother is a slightly flared up cigar.
I personally would like to see a 3 kg as a minimum for a pit with fuel stored in it but i would also like to see a training program drafted by MNZ to support safety. I have seen 5 kg cylinders emptied on a small fire wrongly and it had no effect at all because of it.

[quallman1234]

Haha reminds me of the 300gram ones we had to strap on the front of are bikes on the Trial blazer.

Gotta use about 30 odd if you want any hope of putting a flame out :P.

[Clivoris]

Brilliant rule. Unless you are very quick, very lucky and very skilled, a 1Kg cylinder is about as much use on a fuel fire as pissing on it.

If every rider has one it might make a useful difference. Don't be shy about getting a bigger one though.
At the VMCC we totally agree with and support this rule. We knew it was coming, but as far as I know we have not yet been informed that it is compulsory for our next meeting. It's a good idea and we should do it, but I will check with MNZ to see if it is in place for our next meeting. If it is, we will need to know how to police it. Will it mean that the meeting can't run, or that riders in pit areas without an extinguisher will be excluded. It would have been good to have time to announce it via the oily rag and riders briefing.

[DEATH_INC.]

How about a 1 kg sack? that'll put out most fires... :p

[roogazza]

BUT , the only thing a 1 kg cylinder will smother is a slightly flared up cigar.


Great know, ... I'll be safe then !!! After all I the fires I have seen detonating the years I've been attending meetings ????????????? Gaz. :gob:

[roadracingoldfart]

Great know, ... I'll be safe then !!! After all I the fires I have seen detonating the years I've been attending meetings ????????????? Gaz. :gob:


WHAT ?????





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[roogazza]

WHAT ?????
I smoke cigars and haven't seen any fires in the pits !!! G.

[GIXser]

it realy amazes me, that this rule hasnt been out for some time, i always have an extinguiser at all meets, and we nearly used it not so long ago..
most people at the mo would be stuffed if anything caught on fire...

[roadracingoldfart]

it realy amazes me, that this rule hasnt been out for some time, i always have an extinguiser at all meets, and we nearly used it not so long ago..
most people at the mo would be stuffed if anything caught on fire...


More than likely cause we dont have the foresight to think about it.
I used to have one all the time and every time it was used it was for somebody elses bike / pit area but i went broke buying extinguishers for everybody else so didnt bother getting one now im raceing again.
Slack i know but as i said , i havnt thought about it and will now be getting one.
It doesnt have to be a compulsary rule to be a good idea .

[roadracingoldfart]

I smoke cigars and haven't seen any fires in the pits !!! G.

Ahhhhh now i get it , thanks for that.

[Nicksta]

it realy amazes me, that this rule hasnt been out for some time, i always have an extinguiser at all meets, and we nearly used it not so long ago..
most people at the mo would be stuffed if anything caught on fire...
mmmmm i still think about that day.. .eek!

i'm glad you had one.. and always carry one....

i guess its good they are enforcing the rules now..... especially with all the smokers around ;) dirty habit!

[Kickaha]

Sidecars have always had to carry one, which has seen some interesting moments when they've come loose and bounced down the track :lol:

[scrivy]

Fat load of good one in the pit garage will have when you can have a sidecar BBQ out on the track - Manfeild Nationals February 2007.

Why are we imposed with these rules when flag marshall posts aren't?? And even at a National meeting?? Are there double standards??

[ajturbo]

hey big boy..

the VIC club have 15... (yes fifteen) 3kg and 2 real big ones....
they have had them for at least a year ( going by the service records)...


so crash and burn babe.. we can take photo's

AND

put out your fire... all at the same time!!!

we are THAT good ...now!:dodge::dodge:

[Pancakes]

I'm not a racer but think it's odd to see some whines about having to have fire extinguishers near stored racing fuel!! I'm suprised it's only just becoming a rule and that people didn't have them when it wasn't.

If you use your one to save someone else or their stuff from their own mistake say no worries mate, thats X $'s or a new one delivered to my place thanks. If they have a problem with that they're a real dick and you shoulda let them burn (well, singe a bit) till they change their mind.

[codgyoleracer]

The rule has been around for some time - but not enforced, Its a good rule for sure even for when travelling to & from the track - its surprising how fuel containers can end up in strange positions in trailers & boots etc........ :shutup:

[Clivoris]

Waiting for some info from MNZ re this rule.

[codgyoleracer]

From MNZ rule book

6-12-4 The provision of a suitable fire extinguisher is recommended in each riders pit.
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Updates in bold print Updated – effective 1 July 2007
6-12-4a At all Road Race meetings a 1kg (minimum weight) sealed and operational fire
extinguisher must be visibly present in each riders pit area.

[Tim 39]

I had better go and get one then!

[Clivoris]

From MNZ rule book

6-12-4 The provision of a suitable fire extinguisher is recommended in each riders pit.
27
Updates in bold print Updated – effective 1 July 2007
6-12-4a At all Road Race meetings a 1kg (minimum weight) sealed and operational fire
extinguisher must be visibly present in each riders pit area.

Yep, Gary and yourself are bang on the money. Best I go shopping. Just goes to show how important reading the rules is.

[sAsLEX]

Water??.. useless for everthing except a wastepaper basket.

Not at 400 tons an hour it aint!



And Magnesium wheels? Nothing is going to put those out once they get going!

[codgyoleracer]

Yes but WHAT SORT??? Foam??.. good for fuel fires, but not electrical.
Co2?? Good for most fires.. except fuel, cos it doesnt smother
Powder?? Good for all fires but fucks everything it touches.. not so good for that wee electrical fire when your CDI starts burning.

Water??.. useless for everthing except a wastepaper basket.

Personally my main concern is fuel related fires in our sport - as they can occur very quickly & flash-spread to catch other stuff alight including yourself & others in the blink of eye.
Powder doesnt screw everything (it does make one hell of a mess) - so you better own an air compressor to blow everything clean. (Hopefully your engine isnt running when you have to pull the pin on one)

Electrical fires are less common but certainly possible (particularily around regulators , it pays to mount the regulator in a place where it gets plenty of cool air & also a place that you can get at it quick if you need to put it out).

No doubt others have had other experiences & have their own suggestions on what might safest. There is a motor racing / automotive standard type - so one would assume that that would be the likely choice.

[Clivoris]

The new rule will be in effect at round 3 of the vmcc winter series. For those struggling to purchase an extinguisher before the meeting, Dannevirke Suzuki will have around 50 for sale on the day. Starting price is $30 for 1kg unit.

[sAsLEX]

I am thinking that Co2 should be your primary extinguisher... but bigger than a 1 kg unless you just wanna put your ciggie out.
If you can afford to have two, then I would have a foam one on hand as well.
With a decent sized Co2 you will deal to most fires quite well....despite my earlier posting a fuel fueled fire (errr?) will be brought under control with a Co2 extinguisher, provided the fuel isnt still atomising or under pressure..ie spraying (from fuel pumps etc).
Fom will deal with a runaway fuel fire by dousing.
It is important to remember that once you have cracked an extinguisher open to use the whole lot.. once its opened it will continue to leak once you release the trigger, and will need to be recharged anyway.

A- Carbonaceous Solids
B- Liquid Fire
C- Gas Fire
D- Metals
E- Electrical
F- Fats/ Cooking Oils

[roadracingoldfart]

Well i have the trusty Wormald 1.1 kg in the garage so i must remember it on race day.
QUESTION ....
If a rider / pit area doesnt have an extinguisher, does that mean they cant - race , fuel up , or start a bike ???? Whats the rules for this ????
is it disqualification till the rider / pit area gets one on hand ?.

Also how are we going to let all those affected know about it? (to be fair).

[Clivoris]

Well i have the trusty Wormald 1.1 kg in the garage so i must remember it on race day.
QUESTION ....
If a rider / pit area doesnt have an extinguisher, does that mean they cant - race , fuel up , or start a bike ???? Whats the rules for this ????
is it disqualification till the rider / pit area gets one on hand ?.

Also how are we going to let all those affected know about it? (to be fair).

I have asked MNZ the same question and am waiting for a reply. My guess is that there will be a sensible management of the situation but am anxious that some will read that as "Oh well, no rush then". I will be getting one and encourage those that know about this to pass the word on and get one themselves.

[roadracingoldfart]

Thanks Clive and im sure sensible will be the key to this for round 3 but if told in the riders brief that round 4 is compulsary then all will have no excuse :bye: .
If its an MNZ rule we have to be seen to conform.:shutup:
If the club does a mass email that asks all entrants to remind friends etc then we should cover everybody involved.
Cheers Paul.