New Buell.

[Big Dave]

http://www.cycleworld.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=398

[kneescraper]

Thats a hot looking buell, sounds like a beast!

[Clivoris]

Now that's interesting. I can't wait to see if giving people what they think they want (a Buell with more horsepower) will work for Buell or satisfy the punters?

[Big Dave]

Now that's interesting. I can't wait to see if giving people what they think they want (a Buell with more horsepower) will work for Buell or satisfy the punters?

Dunno - I think it looks very nice and the spec sheet rides very well.
Lots of buzz.

Personally I think 147hp and a gp crouch for street use is of no use. Plod fodder.

Make a nice track day bike I bet. And I'm looking forward to a test.

But I'm ordering an '08 Ulysses, which only has some minor tweaks.

[Clivoris]

Dunno - I think it looks very nice and the spec sheet rides very well.
Lots of buzz.

Personally I think 147hp and a gp crouch for street use is of no use. Plod fodder.

Make a nice track day bike I bet. And I'm looking forward to a test.

But I'm ordering an '08 Ulysses, which only has some minor tweaks.

It seems that it will be a great bike, and able to take the Italians on in their own turf. But even though I don't own a Buell, I have been tempted simply because they carve their own path and the sum is greater than the parts on their bikes. There is romance and underdoggedness in that. Maybe the new Buell will retain enough of that uniqueness by sticking to their design principles.

[Big Dave]

yeah, I'd like a motard version ;-))))))

[ajturbo]

yes that looks and sounds nice!!!..

:Punk:

[riffer]

Hmmm. A Rotax motor?

I wonder if it's a bored out version of the pre-2004 Aprilia RSV motor?


Sounds tastee... I shall await with interest.

[Mr. Peanut]

Sounds like a pain in the arse to live with. Gimmie an XB12XX thingy anyday.

Plus it'll be thristy as hell.

[Sensei]

2008 Buell = 1125cc Rotax Watercooled VTwin @146hp

Buell Motorcycle Company plans to announce its latest sportbike to the world Sunday, July 9, in conjunction with its international dealer meetings, but unauthorized photos, video and details of the new machine were published by an overseas press outlet today.

The new Buell is powered by a water-cooled, 1125cc, 72º V-Twin built by Rotax. The engine is said to produce 146 horsepower at the crankshaft with 84 lbs.-ft. of torque and a redline of 10,500 rpm. The bike has a six-speed transmission and is equipped with a slipper clutch. The frame will continue to double as the fuel tank but with more capacity, 5.6 gallons. Wheelbase is 54.5 inches, longer than the 52-inch wheelbase of existing Buell Firebolts, and the bike has an upgraded version of the Zero Torsional Load single-disc brake system.

[sAsLEX]

Rotax power Aprilia right?

Thought they would of gone for the full 1200............

[Sensei]

Not sure sAsLEX sound like it tho , video of it here


http://www.aussiebuellriders.info/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=1255&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=16af592cf8889aad07d5fc4881a81471

[sAsLEX]

Looks like an SV.......

[xwhatsit]

Looks like an SV.......

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Yeah, I must admit it's not looking very Buell-y. Especially with the Rotax engine as well.

Oh well, something to feed the haters (`Buell don't make real sportsbikes') and the traditional Buell crowd can continue buying the next model of what they did last time.

[MidnightMike]

Looks like an SV.......


pfft, yeah, one thats crashed.

Other than looks its pretty sweet.

[Madness]

I wonder if it's a bored out version of the pre-2004 Aprilia RSV motor?.

Aren't they a 60 degree twin? New Buell 72 degrees...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bitchin'

I wouldnt buy one (I would buy an XR1200 HD or a Lightning though).

Buell me like. He is a thinker our Erik.

[more_fasterer]

Aren't they a 60 degree twin? New Buell 72 degrees...

Wot 'e said. About time Buell used a motor with more than four valves, watercooling and a lack of pushrods, but the question has to be asked - why not use the V-rod motor? it's similar spec & capacity (1130cc) and the 60deg v-angle could potentially mean a shorter engine, thus a shorter wheelbase and / or more central weight distribution. Both goals of Buell's in their recent models.

Still, this looks damn promising. And pretty damn sexy too :Punk:

[James Deuce]

The V-Rod motor is physically much bigger than a Sporty motor. The gearbox is enormous too. It would be quite hard to fit a Buell style chassis around one.

[imdying]

Ha! That'll shut the haters up! I'd hit it :yes:

[Pumba]

Hmmm I like the look so far, bit hard to tell with the dark video and all that though, will defently be worth keeping an eye on when its released.

Not that I will be abe to aford it if I wanted to.

[imdying]

It was released today, check out the Buell site.

[Rashika]

hmmmm... I dunno. At first glance I thought what is it? It does look suzi like at the front.
After reading and looking at the Vid I still dunno... :mellow:

[limbimtimwim]

It's really great to see Harley have not restrained Buell in any way, letting him and the company make some (more) cool stuff.

[tri boy]

Some specs..
84 degrees of rake.
170kg.
8 piston caliper.
Good suspension range.
This thing maybe quite Tunable.:yes:
Bears, Battle of Twins?

[James Deuce]

84 degrees of rake?? It must have a 90" front wheel to keep the sump off the ground!

[tri boy]

84 degrees of rake?? It must have a 90" front wheel to keep the sump off the ground!


Sounded radical to me to. Thats off the Buell site.

I just noticed you thought I meant Rake. 84 is for Trail. Humble apologies.

[James Deuce]

You said rake :D

[Rashika]

nope looking more and I dont like the front, i dont like the fkn huge airbox covers... gees i thought they had ditched that with the X1's??
And yeah it is starting to look more and more like a jappa...
At least it does still have a belt drive, but what would I do with an extra gear?

Ah well, not something I will have to worry about for awhile... by the time i want/need a new bike, they may have made it more to my liking. Cos after looking at that i feel a little depressed that my Firebolt may end up looking just like all the other bikes out there.
Having said that maybe this will be another version of Buell, and they will keep the 12R?? PLEASE!!!

[imdying]

And yeah it is starting to look more and more like a jappa... That's because like Ducati, the rest of the world is starting to realise that the Japanese have got it right.

[tri boy]

You said rake :D


DOH!:spanking::bash:

[oldrider]

With full respect to other peoples rides, Harley's have never really done it for me personally but what Buell does with the basic material really catches my attention.

I enjoyed the video of the new sports bike and thought it must be another interesting option for sports biker riders, surely!

I also wondered what sort of final drive it has but didn't see that in any of the writing as I speed read across the info, did anyone catch that bit?

The Buell Ulysses fascinates me, I had a look at a couple over the last week, have read Big Dave's write-ups and read an article by "Graham Allerdice" in last months "Bike Rider" mag.

If my specific Tiger was not such a bargain buy dollar wise, and I was looking at the new (07) Tiger and the Buell, I would definitely be taking a second , third and fourth look at the complete Buell Ulysses package.

It is far from perfect but I find every bike I have ever owned has had to be honed out and adjusted to fit my own requirements!

There is just something about the Buell Ulysses that says to me, "YES"! :yes: Nice one Buell. Cheers John.

[Big Dave]

New on Ulysses XB12X for 2008

New 47mm front forks replace the previous 43 mm forks. Secured with a new triple clamp design, this new front end improves the torsional rigidity of the entire chassis. Fork flex is reduced during hard braking for improved stability and feedback.

Steering sweep lock-to-lock is increased to 74 degrees from 54 degrees to reduce the turning radius in off-road low-speed maneuvers. New off-set triple clamps maintain the 23.5 degree rake and 4.8 inch trail.

Heated hand grips are now standard equipment on the 2008 Ulysses. The grips are rated at 18 watts per side on the High setting and 11 watts per side on the Low setting.

New air guides positioned on the tail section of the Ulysses deflect engine heat away from the rider’s legs.

Modifications to the 1203 Thunderstorm V-Twin engine enhance performance, reduce maintenance, and allow a new redline of 7100 rpm (see separate Thunderstorm release for details).

The instrument panel styling is refreshed and the tachometer reflects the new 7100-rpm redline.

For 2008, the following changes have been made to both the Thunderstorm 1203 and the Thunderstorm 984:

New Timing System
* The timer cover is eliminated, as the engine is now crank timed from a new crank position sensor, which eliminates the need for manual timing, reducing maintenance costs. The ECM actively monitors and adjusts timing based on driving environment. The new sensor makes 30 reads per revolution, compared to the previous two reads per revolution, for more precise control of fuel mapping and timing to conditions.

More Robust Crankpins
* The size of the crankpins is increased to 1.50 inches from 1.25 inches.

Oiling System Upgraded
* A higher-output oil pump supports oiling to the new crankpin area. The new pump is driven off of the crank, a design based on the Buell XBRR production racing motorcycle.

* A new eight-row oil cooler offers enhanced cooling performance.

* All oil line ends are now equipped with Jiffy-tite fittings.

New DDFI 3 ECM (Engine Control Module)
* A new ECM with increased computing capacity.

* DDFI 3 actively controls and monitors the TPS (throttle position sensor), IAC (idle air control), and timing. DDFI 3 automatically zeros the TPS and adjusts fuel metering for smoother idle, eliminating service intervals and reducing the cost of ownership.

* A new progressive throttle cam and new throttle cables provide smoother throttle input from stops, and less rotation to full throttle.

[Rashika]

That's because like Ducati, the rest of the world is starting to realise that the Japanese have got it right.

bollocks.... ;)

[Big Dave]

That's because like Ducati, the rest of the world is starting to realise that the Japanese have got it right.


It matters of style there is no wrong or right - there is just what you like.
I prefer European and American design. That doesn't mean i think the japanese are wrong.

[imdying]

It matters of style there is no wrong or right - there is just what you like.
I prefer European and American design. That doesn't mean i think the japanese are wrong.Just getting a rise out of Rashika :scooter:

[Qkchk]

Since no-one has put it up yet.............

LINK TO BUELLS 1125R WEBSITE (http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/sportbike/1125r/index.asp#)

[dangerous]

BLOODY HORRID Well the arse end is un changed at a glance, so thats still not bad... the fairing is off an R1 just aint right, why not keep with the twin eye balls but behind one lense, the fairing looks like its perched on a step ladder... the exhaust, well it looks cheap, tinny and dull...the radiator/airbox intacks are farking disgusting, and most of all... its not going to feel like a buell, shove ya HP... Buell is about torque, the feel and sound of the slow reving nuggety old push rod thumper will be gone, as will the smile a Buell puts on ya face when being ridden... those that have one will only know what I am saying :bye: Buell

[Big Dave]

I am saying :bye: Buell

Wake up! - this doesn't replace anything - just added to the range - sqidley will love it.

The Thunderstorm engine is retained and improved.

[justsomeguy]

NO!!!!!!!!

What the hell have they done........Buell's looked like nothing on the planet - they were unique.

Now they look like crashed R1's........:nono:

[Big Dave]

see post 39.

[oldrider]

BLOODY HORRID Well the arse end is un changed at a glance, so thats still not bad... the fairing is off an R1 just aint right, why not keep with the twin eye balls but behind one lense, the fairing looks like its perched on a step ladder... the exhaust, well it looks cheap, tinny and dull...the radiator/airbox intacks are farking disgusting, and most of all... its not going to feel like a buell, shove ya HP... Buell is about torque, the feel and sound of the slow reving nuggety old push rod thumper will be gone, as will the smile a Buell puts on ya face when being ridden... those that have one will only know what I am saying :bye: Buell

Does this mean you might not be be buying one then dangerous? (lol) :shutup: John.

[Rashika]

Wake up! - this doesn't replace anything - just added to the range - sqidley will love it.

The Thunderstorm engine is retained and improved.
ahhh good... phew


Does this mean you might not be be buying one then dangerous? (lol) :shutup: John.
what does he need to buy a Buell for, he already has one to use anytime he wants... :oi-grr:

[dangerous]

Wake up! - this doesn't replace anything - just added to the range - sqidley will love it.

The Thunderstorm engine is retained and improved.

HUH, aye what, ha... whos there, I reckon they would have been beter off putting the RR on the road, this new thing looks to much like a 12R, and there nothing Harly about it... Austrain engine, Itiallian made frame etc, a good idea but it shouldnt have a 12R arse end.

[JimBob]

Looks good.
IMHO the front scoops look a little overstyled, a couple of giant pipi shells.
I wonder if the RR is still going to exist? As a development bike the RR has probably shown that if you want to manufacture a 150hp streetbike dont base it around a Sportster engine.
So the smart move was go and get an engine designed for the job.
As for the VRod engine, that is a Huge lump. Way too big for a sport type bike. But it can be made a lot bigger cc wise so as it becomes more accepted as a Harley engine see a big cube Vrod engine being offered in the FX and FL bikes. So when Harley really have to go watercooled it wont hurt the true blue traditional HD riders too much. They will lose the 'potato potato' but they will gain 'pumpkin pumpkin' so all is not lost.

[JimBob]

HUH, aye what, ha... whos there, I reckon they would have been beter off putting the RR on the road, this new thing looks to much like a 12R, and there nothing Harly about it... Austrain engine, Itiallian made frame etc, a good idea but it shouldnt have a 12R arse end.


They looked at a lot of options including a big TL engine, that would have had the aficionados spitting in their teacups

[Rashika]

Looks good.
IMHO the front scoops look a little overstyled, a couple of giant pipi shells.
I wonder if the RR is still going to exist? As a development bike the RR has probably shown that if you want to manufacture a 150hp streetbike dont base it around a Sportster engine.


why do they want to manufacture a 150hp bike??? Why is everything about how fast it can go?
I LIKE the Buell look, I LIKE the HD engine, I like the short wheelbase and the fun aspect of the Firebolt... I DONT want a full sportsbike, if i did i could go buy a way cheaper one from a jap shop, I AINT liking this thing too much. :scratch:
and those aircovers suck BIGTIME!

[limbimtimwim]

You are sounding like the stereotypical HD person now.

CHANGE?!?! WHAT'S THAT!?! I DON'T LIKE CHANGE!!!

;)

Maybe when you lay eyes on it, and maybe give it a ride, you might like it.

[imdying]

Silver numbers with a red R on a black fairing, above the lefthand headlight... I know I've seen that before somewhere...

[skelstar]

That is hideous. I love the look of the Firebolt, but this is ugo. Bit like that picture of the fairing that was grafted onto the front of a scooter that posted a couple of days ago (yeah yeah, I know the R1 comments have been made).

Sure hope that it looks better in person.

Oh, and the Harley bike was a part of the same article that i lifted this image from.

<img src="http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/196302/images/2008buellandharleyround-up.jpg">

[Big Dave]

why do they want to manufacture a 150hp bike??? Why is everything about how fast it can go?
I LIKE the Buell look, I LIKE the HD engine, I like the short wheelbase and the fun aspect of the Firebolt... I DONT want a full sportsbike, if i did i could go buy a way cheaper one from a jap shop, I AINT liking this thing too much. :scratch:
and those aircovers suck BIGTIME!

I quite like it - it's not my type of bike at all - but as an example of one I think it's quite nice.

I know how well the mass centralisation, brake and frame work and I can see on the spec sheet that it will be STUNNING to ride.

Why would HD do it? - so they have a complete range. From a Heritage Classic to a fast Spotsbike (sic - new word - apt what) to a Vrod - it's about a complete product range and customer demand.

They will sell well - regardless of the old school.

They are building dirt bike next. Range - it's all about range.

There isn't one bike that does everything. XB12X is closest I've found so far.

[HenryDorsetCase]

arent you all missing the point? Erik Buell is and always has been firstly about the performance and secondly about where the motor came from: Presumably a lot of well heeled punters looked at the 12R and thought "Meh" for the same money I can buy whatever.... and performance sells.... so in order to give the punters what they say they want, this is the result. And if it ends up in AMA or WSB, so much the better I think,

It should be roughly competitive with the 1098.

I happen to like the styling and its not like theyve said they'll bin the 12R.

also you'd hope that the improved brake/increased fuel capacity/other improvements can trickle down the range in time.

[JimBob]

why do they want to manufacture a 150hp bike??? Why is everything about how fast it can go?
I LIKE the Buell look, I LIKE the HD engine, I like the short wheelbase and the fun aspect of the Firebolt... I DONT want a full sportsbike, if i did i could go buy a way cheaper one from a jap shop, I AINT liking this thing too much. :scratch:
and those aircovers suck BIGTIME!

"So mine can be bigger than yours"
This bike is a more "mainstream" Buell and I imagine it will outsell all the other Buells combined. Which at the end of the day is what it is all about.
You would have to admit that the very things that set Buells apart are what stops them from being a raging sales success.

[oldrider]

This thread reinforces the value of personal choice, it is an especially strong force when it comes to buying and owning motorcycles!

Long may the freedom to choose stay with us. :yes: Cheers John.

[vifferman]

While I agree that the aircleaner thingos (technical term) are weird, I kinda like it too.

Except for the stupid-looking beltdrive case on the left side.

[Clivoris]

It actually looks ok in the picture posted by Skelstar. Even those bug-catchers are growing on me. Apart from the fairing there is no way that it could be mistaken for anything other than a Buell. How exciting. Looking forward to the reviews and comparisons.
All of a sudden, water-cooled 1000cc V-twins are old-school.

[Rashika]

You are sounding like the stereotypical HD person now.
Maybe when you lay eyes on it, and maybe give it a ride, you might like it.
always an HD'r at heart ;) but no I quite like change per sey, just that this looks to me like a way too far towards the usual Japa stuff we see everywhere. The firebolt (as all the XB range are), was miles (planets might be a better analogy!) different to the tubers when it first came out and I guess a few people thought the same as them. Tis odd tho, they ditched the big covers for the xb's, and most of the earlier buell owners did as soon as they could as well, so why bring 'em back in the 'new and improved' version? Maybe they do have some benefit we just cant see... :mellow:


"So mine can be bigger than yours"
This bike is a more "mainstream" Buell and I imagine it will outsell all the other Buells combined. Which at the end of the day is what it is all about.
You would have to admit that the very things that set Buells apart are what stops them from being a raging sales success.
it may be more "mainstream" joe public, but NOT "mainstream Buell"...dont think there is really anything that would fit there at all, there is too much variety now, which I dont think is a bad thing at all. The jury is out on how usual Buell riders will take it... the new Buellers-to-be may love it. But I dont think it will outsell the rest... I still like the Uly, but I dont think I will ever have one cos I'm too short (at 5ft 7.5inches!) to be comfy on it ...at the moment anyway


That is hideous. I love the look of the Firebolt, but this is ugo. Bit like that picture of the fairing that was grafted onto the front of a scooter that posted a couple of days ago (yeah yeah, I know the R1 comments have been made).

Sure hope that it looks better in person.

hmm hope so, but as long as the XB12R stays in prod I will be happy :yes:

Somehow I think one or the other wont be around in a couple of years... sigh


...Why would HD do it? - so they have a complete range. From a Heritage Classic to a fast Spotsbike (sic - new word - apt what) to a Vrod - it's about a complete product range and customer demand.

They will sell well - regardless of the old school.

They are building dirt bike next. Range - it's all about range.

There isn't one bike that does everything. XB12X is closest I've found so far.
true, there aint one that will do everything, which is good cos it does mean they can get a whole lot more people into Buells on diff style bikes ...but...if they go too far, then those who may have thought, oh yeah baby at the XB's... may go a totally diff direction now with the latest development.
Time will tell i guess... I vote we all pop back in 5 years time and see just what has happened ;)

[tri boy]

I'm not a huge Buell fan, but it seems that Eric is putting his toe in the performance pond. Good luck to him. Guys like Eric, Brooke Henry, John Britton, Ken McIntosh, etc seem willing to open doors that the main factories are to busy, or disinterested to open themselves.
Personally, I hope it kicks arse on the track.:Punk:

[Rashika]

Personally, I hope it kicks arse on the track.:Punk:

hell yeah! ;)
but that doesn't mean it'll be good on the road tho...

[Marknz]

Check out the details of the new Buell 1125R on www.mcnews.com.au

Looks pretty trick to me, and having tested a Buell before, I might have to hold off on buying my new bike until these arrive in the country.

:scooter:

[Her_C4]

ooooo yer that looks just like it has my name on it....:scooter::sunny:

Very cool :yes:

[Marknz]

ooooo yer that looks just like it has my name on it....:scooter::sunny:

Very cool :yes:

I'll see if i can get the lads on the Terrace to set one up with trainer wheels for you :yes:

:dodge:

[Her_C4]

I'll see if i can get the lads on the Terrace to set one up with trainer wheels for you :yes:

:dodge:

WHAT A PRICK OF A THING TO SAY!!!! :gob::nono:Ok you are right (:shutup: sigh)

(Didn't you notice the v v low seat height???) FIRST thing I look at these days..:yes:

besides - the last 'incident' was nothing to do with seat height - I was riding at the time and ably demonstrating my (lack of) ability....:scooter::sunny: ha ha ha

[skelstar]

No offence to anyone, but I can't believe anyone can find that bike good looking. I know some of you do, but it is just way out hideous to me and I have fairly mainstream tastes.

[RantyDave]

No offence to anyone, but I can't believe anyone can find that bike good looking.
He's right, of course. Regardless of how much good news it is that Buell are finally ditching that motor, or how cool it is that they've kept the belt drive, you can't get over the fact that it is one fugly bike.

I've actually noticed Buell having problems with this before. The current XB bikes look great, but the early ones just look a shocker (IMHO, of course).

Personally I don't think they needed to change a thing. Just the engine, obviously.

Dave

[Sanx]

I test-rode a couple of Buells before getting the VTR, and then before getting the Blade. Great handling and a nice feel to them; what put me off was the rattly steaming pile of shite they laughingly referred to as an engine. Oh, and the fact the transmission linkages seemed to be made from something with less structural rigidity than boiled celery.

So, news they've finally got someone who knows how to make an engine to make their engine and gearbox is great news. I'll be queueing up for a ride when this thing hits UnZud. As for looks ... meh, I like the front fairing and lights, but the bug-catchers are fricken ugly. As with most Buells (in fact, most sprotbikes, period) it's crying out for a mudguardectomy, but other than that, I'm impressed. The gauges look the business, and it says something about Buell's intentions that it comes complete with a lap-timer...

[dangerous]

rattly steaming pile of shite they laughingly referred to as an engine.
I like the front fairing and lights,
The gauges look the business,
andcomplete with a lap-timer...

Mate, you have no idea do you... you just described a R1/Gixxer/blade, the gauges are straight off a SV, when you figger out what a BEARs bike is about come back to me in the meantime stick with your smooth HELICAL cut gear boxs, non rattly boring mass produced rice rockets. :Punk:


Personally I don't think they needed to change a thing. Just the engine, obviously.

'obviously' explain? why is a new engine obviously required?
I have heard of no problems from the XB engine... 100+hp if you know how to ride why the hell do ya need any more... the engine produces more torque than an jappa can, go figger why do they need to change it?

[Rashika]

(Didn't you notice the v v low seat height???) FIRST thing I look at these days..:yes:


umm 775mm seat height is not low... I'm 5ft 7.5inches and I dont have flat feet on the ground, almost but not quite. This bike is NOT designed for a person of short stature ;)

No offence to anyone, but I can't believe anyone can find that bike good looking. I know some of you do, but it is just way out hideous to me and I have fairly mainstream tastes.
its not for me either and I ride a Buell...

I test-rode a couple of Buells before getting the VTR, and then before getting the Blade. Great handling and a nice feel to them; what put me off was the rattly steaming pile of shite they laughingly referred to as an engine. Oh, and the fact the transmission linkages seemed to be made from something with less structural rigidity than boiled celery.

So, news they've finally got someone who knows how to make an engine to make their engine and gearbox is great news. I'll be queueing up for a ride when this thing hits UnZud. As for looks ... meh, I like the front fairing and lights, but the bug-catchers are fricken ugly. As with most Buells (in fact, most sprotbikes, period) it's crying out for a mudguardectomy, but other than that, I'm impressed. The gauges look the business, and it says something about Buell's intentions that it comes complete with a lap-timer...
hate the gauges, whats wrong with having an analog speedo? At least you have some idea of what speed you are doing at a glance, dont have to take the time to read the ferkin thing.. meanwhile Mr plod has latched on with his radar. The bug catchers were ugly before on the Tubers, Why TF bring em back?
Engine: well it'd be interesting to ride it, I'm guessing it would be something along the lines of the Tuono... Higher reving and all that. Dunno if I would like that, I love the feel of the moment you pretty much touch the throttle it is all on, not waiting till you hit that magic whatever RPM to feel that launch.

But having said all that, as a bike, without having the knowledge of Buell, it is errr..okish (apart from those ferkin air/radiator covers)... but as a Buell it is a major departure, and i dont know how well it'll sit with those who ride 'em now.. like me ;)

[scumdog]

umm 775mm seat height is not low... I'm 5ft 7.5inches and I dont have flat feet on the ground, almost but not quite. This bike is NOT designed for a person of short stature ;)

its not for me either and I ride a Buell...

hate the gauges, whats wrong with having an analog speedo? At least you have some idea of what speed you are doing at a glance, dont have to take the time to read the ferkin thing.. meanwhile Mr plod has latched on with his radar. .
Dunno if I would like that, I love the feel of the moment you pretty much touch the throttle it is all on, not waiting till you hit that magic whatever RPM to feel that launch. ;)

Got ducks disease m'dear?:dodge:

Anyway, I agree, analogue is waay easier to figure out in a hurry and in bright light.

And yeah, in my little world steady strong torque beats a higher-but-peaky horsepower thing.:yes:

Don't want to get r.s.i. from changing gears all the time....

[HenryDorsetCase]

I really like this thread. If I was buying a buell (and I nearly did... and would have if I had the money free and clear: but the difference between an $11k Hornet and a $20k Buell was the major deciding factor: I think my days of having bikes on endless drip feed are done...) anyway, I would buy an XB12 over this, for the same reason I would buy a Triumph Scrambler over a Daytona 675: its a road bike, and usability on the road is a very different thing than having 150 Hp and only starting to enjoy yourself at 160kph. Ive recently discovered that race tracks are where its at if you really want to see how good you are... riding on the road is enjoyable still, but its very different: as dangerous says: do you really need more than 100hP on the road? can you really use it? I would suggest not often enough to make the extra cost, complexity and insurance premiums worthwhile..... but thats just me.

from 40 to 100 mph that Buell I rode (particularly with the handling it has) would keep up with anything on the road...

[Sanx]

Mate, you have no idea do you... you just decribed a R1/Gixxer/blade, the guages are straight of a SV, when you figger out what a BEARs bike is about come back to me in the mean time stick with your somth HELICAL cut gear boxs, non rattly boreing mass produced rice rockets.

A BEARS bike is anything made outside of Japan, basically. British, European, American Racing and Supporters. Close enough for ya? Good.

Buell are building a sportsbike, so aiming at something that'll take the jap bikes on is hardly an unworthy goal. Look at the promo videos for their other bikes; they're shot on streets, not race tracks. The promo video for the 1125R was shot of a track and featured Niall Mackenzie talking his way round through a lap of some motorsport park the name of which I've forgotten. It's a V-twin, not an inline four, so far more similar to the Italian sportsbikes in character, anyway. Something you seem to have missed out oon in the BEARS specification is the Racing part of it. It was designed as a racing class. How can Buell produce a competitive BEARS bike with only 100hp when Ducati, Aprilia, KTM, BMW and the likes are pushing out up between 130 and 160hp? BEARS specifies no one engine configuration, or any restrictions on chassis design. It's essentially an open racing class that excluded Japanese bikes.

And to your other points. The gauges are not from an SV. They bear a resemblance in that they have a stacked configuration with a digital speedo, but they're different. The new Buell's got straight cut gears, not helical, if that's what you were trying to imply; it's a little hard to tell from your rambling sentence structure.

So yes, it's different to Buell's past; but it's meant to be. Previous Buells were somewhat of an oddity; they didn't quite fit into the accepted categories and that's what made them unique. Well, Buell are now producing a bike that does fit into one of the categories because they want to compete in that market. If you don't like it, fine. Don't buy one. Just don't have a go at someone who has a different opinion to you, especially when you insist on talking out of your arse in doing so.

[imdying]

Analogue tacho, I'll back you all the way. Digital speedo is more excellent, and much better at a glance, for me.

You want to go fast, you add a fairing, it's cheaper than adding horsepower.

Buell put as much though into form and function (imho), those big ugly scoops are probably very effective.

There is no way you'd mistake that for anything other than a Buell.

It's bloody ugly, but I don't care a fig, I'd be keen for a thrash.

Dollar is pretty good at the moment, wonder if it'll be in the $22k thou range, or the $34k 1098 range, or somewhere in between, by the time it reaches our show rooms.

D, you're as one eyed as that OAB fella. Country of origin does not a good bike make. That's not to say don't be proud of where it came from, even my SV has a Japanese flag on it (man does that polarise opinion! One tiny little piece of vinyl!)

[buellbabe]

OK...step aside... another one of the very few KB Buell owner/riders has entered into the debate...

Actually I am too blimmin busy at work to read thru this entire thread at the mo ( will do that later ) so will just quickly add my 2c.

having already discussed this at length on the buell forum i belong to this is my opinion.

FUGLY.

Sure extra horsepower is tempting but if/when I trade the X1 it will be on a Firebolt.

If I bought the 1125R or S I would wanna lose the scoops, change the muffler and put a Firebolt frontend on it so why bother?

Like I said, the extra horsepower is tempting but thats not the attraction of Buells for most people that ride them. Its the inya face attitude and extreme fun that IS the Buell riding experience!

[Big Dave]

s the rattly steaming pile of shite they laughingly referred to as an engine. Oh, and the fact the transmission linkages seemed to be made from something with less structural rigidity than boiled celery.


...........nah - I can't be bothered. :whocares:

Wrong.

[Rashika]

So yes, it's different to Buell's past; but it's meant to be. Previous Buells were somewhat of an oddity; they didn't quite fit into the accepted categories and that's what made them unique. Well, Buell are now producing a bike that does fit into one of the categories because they want to compete in that market. If you don't like it, fine. Don't buy one. Just don't have a go at someone who has a different opinion to you, especially when you insist on talking out of your arse in doing so.

You are obviously VERY new to KB... Dangerous always has a rambling sentence structure and very iffy spelling, but talking out of a hole in his arse he doesn't... that much ;)
The problem is those of us WITH Buells are finding it a bit much to take all at once...
yeah sure alter a few things, try some new stuff out... but in one hit to change the engine, the length, the fairing, the indicators, the instruments, the exhaust, and probably a huge number of other things is a wee bit much to take. Especially for those of us who might want to upgrade someday.

And on the local BEARS note: its pretty much a one horse race down here, Triumphs 675s are it, Ducatis are genrally a bit behind but that changes from time to time, and there are a couple of tuber Buells who race as well... the only XB out on the track was mine, with me or Dangerous on it. The last BMW that raced down here went out in a ball of flames :Punk: impressive it was!

[slowpoke]

Why do people insist on defending "their" manufacturer no matter what they produce? Why does owning a certain make of bike qualify some people more than others to comment on all of a certain manufacturers products?
Just 'cos you choose to own a K1200 BMW doesn't make you more qualified to comment on a GS650 BMW. Just as it seems ridiculous for BMW boxer owners to cry foul at the idea of a high performance four cylinder BMW it seems ridiculous for current Buell owners to be up in arms at this introduction of a state of the art design.
We probably all do it to a certain extent but falling for the "I only like X brand" mentality just shows how we've been completely duped by the marketing and PR companies. Choose a bike by how well it suits your intended purpose before you have a look at the name on the tank.
Same goes for this new jigger: how well does it do what it's supposed to do?
We can't tell until we ride it but to me the spec's look pretty good if you compare it to an Aprilia or 999 Ducati but the similar capacity 1098 looks to raised the bar.
Yep, it seems ugly but Imdying raises a very good point.



You want to go fast, you add a fairing, it's cheaper than adding horsepower.


I just hope it works well enough to be competitive on the track, the more the merrier I reckon.

[imdying]

I trust Mr Buell, he put a lot of thought into his designs. Ugly or not, I'd bet he has his reaons (not the least of which will be the furor this design has created... no such think as bad press).

You hear it time and time again all over the net, 'I'd buy one if they didn't have a tractor motor'. Well, time for people to stop fronting, he has answered you critics.

[Rashika]

Why do people insist on defending "their" manufacturer no matter what they produce? Why does owning a certain make of bike qualify some people more than others to comment on all of a certain manufacturers products?
Just 'cos you choose to own a K1200 BMW doesn't make you more qualified to comment on a GS650 BMW. Just as it seems ridiculous for BMW boxer owners to cry foul at the idea of a high performance four cylinder BMW it seems ridiculous for current Buell owners to be up in arms at this introduction of a state of the art design.
We probably all do it to a certain extent but falling for the "I only like X brand" mentality just shows how we've been completely duped by the marketing and PR companies. Choose a bike by how well it suits your intended purpose before you have a look at the name on the tank.
Same goes for this new jigger: how well does it do what it's supposed to do?
We can't tell until we ride it but to me the spec's look pretty good if you compare it to an Aprilia or 999 Ducati but the similar capacity 1098 looks to raised the bar.
Yep, it seems ugly but Imdying raises a very good point.



I just hope it works well enough to be competitive on the track, the more the merrier I reckon.

umm I think you missed the point... we are looking at a 'new' bike (tho potentially one that may replace MY current bike)
I'm probably the MOST qualified on this thread to have an opinion about what i dont like about it (given that I ride the equivalent bike now), followed very closely by Big Dave and BB (being other Buell owners), then all the new potential Buell owners, then all the others... some of whom have bloody intereting thoughts about it and some of whom will only wanna diss it cos it is a Yanky bike. This is something totally new and a bit of a surprise to us.
It is interesting to hear the opinions cos it makes me relook at the bike... bits of it are growing on me cos of what others have pointed out, but only bits. ;)

I haven't noticed much talk of my ride is better than yours cos it made by "...." (tho that always happens in these kinda threads anyway) simply a comparison of old vs new and new vs others in the market

And the Firebolt is actually pretty competitive in a BEARS meet... maybe not on a non BEARS meet, and that is where this bike is aiming for, nothing wrong with that at all. It is shame that to get there they have basically changed 75% of the bike, to resemble something totally new effectively.

I wouldn't mind what they do except for the fact that it'll prob mean the end of my bike cos they wont want to have 2 with such a similar purpose

[Rashika]

You hear it time and time again all over the net, 'I'd buy one if they didn't have a tractor motor'. Well, time for people to stop fronting, he has answered you critics.

haha!! yeah VERY true... :yes:

[xwhatsit]

umm I think you missed the point... we are looking at a 'new' bike (tho potentially one that may replace MY current bike)
I'm probably the MOST qualified on this thread to have an opinion about what i dont like about it (given that I ride the equivalent bike now), followed very closely by Big Dave and BB (being other Buell owners), then all the new potential Buell owners, then all the others... some of whom have bloody intereting thoughts about it and some of whom will only wanna diss it cos it is a Yanky bike. This is something totally new and a bit of a surprise to us.
It is interesting to hear the opinions cos it makes me relook at the bike... bits of it are growing on me cos of what others have pointed out, but only bits. ;)

I haven't noticed much talk of my ride is better than yours cos it made by "...." (tho that always happens in these kinda threads anyway) simply a comparison of old vs new and new vs others in the market

And the Firebolt is actually pretty competitive in a BEARS meet... maybe not on a non BEARS meet, and that is where this bike is aiming for, nothing wrong with that at all. It is shame that to get there they have basically changed 75% of the bike, to resemble something totally new effectively.

I wouldn't mind what they do except for the fact that it'll prob mean the end of my bike cos they wont want to have 2 with such a similar purpose

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>No, I think you missed slowpokes point, not vice versa.

They're not dropping the existing line of bikes. There's no law saying you have to buy one of these for your next bike instead of a more conservative Buell (ironic use of the word conservative there, lol).

There's no imperative for manufacturers to continue to produce the same niche of bikes over and over again. Harley does; most do not. Buell producing a mainstream sportsbike should not offend you so greatly, it doesn't affect your chosen niche of bike.

Read what Big Dave has to say, and what I posted earlier. This bike will give something for the non-traditional Buell customers who usually buy Japanese sportsbikes to focus on, and will take away some of the heat from those who make fun of Buells because they're slower. Think of it as a `sports flagship model'.

[Rashika]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>No, I think you missed slowpokes point, not vice versa.

They're not dropping the existing line of bikes. There's no law saying you have to buy one of these for your next bike instead of a more conservative Buell (ironic use of the word conservative there, lol).

There's no imperative for manufacturers to continue to produce the same niche of bikes over and over again. Harley does; most do not. Buell producing a mainstream sportsbike should not offend you so greatly, it doesn't affect your chosen niche of bike.

Read what Big Dave has to say, and what I posted earlier. This bike will give something for the non-traditional Buell customers who usually buy Japanese sportsbikes to focus on, and will take away some of the heat from those who make fun of Buells because they're slower. Think of it as a `sports flagship model'.

point missed again... They are not dropping the current 'Firebolt' YET ...tui ad. Where did I mention the whole range?
Talk about it again in 3 or 4 years time... as I have said in a previous post

ummm where have I commented about the Buells sportbike offending me cos its a sportsbike??????? i think its a bit fugly (like that word) but if thats what sportsbikers want, then go for it. (as I have said in a previous post)

Produce the same bike over and over again?? shite you aint looked into Buell too hard have you, the Firebolt came out in 2003 as a 9 only, thats hardly time to perfect it, let alone produce the same thing more than one year running.

yes I have read what Big dave has said and if you had read my earlier posts you would see that I actually agreed with him. A good range is a good thing to get people into the bikes but having 2 bikes that are very similar probably WONT last, one or the other will fade.

AND as I have said in a previous post.. there are some things that are growing on me in the bike, but a few others that are prob never going to.

[HenryDorsetCase]

like someone else says the issue with the current motor (and what gives it its character) is meeting ever tightening EPA/Euro noise and pollution mandates. Real hard to do with air cooling, and the architecture they have. (I thought I'd broken the buell I rode when I turned it off and the fan turned on after the engine was off... that rear cylinder gets REALLY hot....) so Erik and co have an eye to the future....

[slowpoke]

umm I think you missed the point... we are looking at a 'new' bike (tho potentially one that may replace MY current bike)
I'm probably the MOST qualified on this thread to have an opinion about what i dont like about it (given that I ride the equivalent bike now), followed very closely by Big Dave and BB (being other Buell owners), then all the new potential Buell owners, then all the others...

Hmmm, intersting idea you've got regarding the pecking order of opinions. I understand they are your opinions but I don't understand why you think they would be more valid than anybody elses. You say yourself it is a brand new bike: it has a new frame, engine, different wheelbase etc so there is little evolutionary progression here. Just 'cos I ride a Yamaha R1 doesn't mean my opinions are more or less important regarding say an R6, or any bike for that matter..



It is shame that to get there they have basically changed 75% of the bike, to resemble something totally new effectively.

Why would you see it as a shame that they make a new Buell? That's progress, and exactly how they arrived at the Firebolt. It actually seems strange that all Buells are such an "outside the square" radical thinking design, that you are disappointed in their radical redesign.



I wouldn't mind what they do except for the fact that it'll prob mean the end of my bike cos they wont want to have 2 with such a similar purpose

I reckon your Firebolt is safe. It's a waaaaay better looking bike than the new 'un (in my opinion) and there will always be a strong demand for the low down grunt of the pushrod engine in the short sharp chassis (1125R is nearly 3" longer wheelbase). Although they are both sports bikes I don't see them as competing for the same niche, just increasing Buells market share by trying to pinch a few Aprilia, Ducati type buyers. So so styling or not it's gonna be very interesting to see it on the track and on the road.

[xwhatsit]

point missed again... They are not dropping the current 'Firebolt' YET ...tui ad. Where did I mention the whole range?
Talk about it again in 3 or 4 years time... as I have said in a previous post

ummm where have I commented about the Buells sportbike offending me cos its a sportsbike??????? i think its a bit fugly (like that word) but if thats what sportsbikers want, then go for it. (as I have said in a previous post)

Produce the same bike over and over again?? shite you aint looked into Buell too hard have you, the Firebolt came out in 2003 as a 9 only, thats hardly time to perfect it, let alone produce the same thing more than one year running.

yes I have read what Big dave has said and if you had read my earlier posts you would see that I actually agreed with him. A good range is a good thing to get people into the bikes but having 2 bikes that are very similar probably WONT last, one or the other will fade.

AND as I have said in a previous post.. there are some things that are growing on me in the bike, but a few others that are prob never going to.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Please read my post again. Reading comprehension is a good skill to have.

I didn't mention anything about you being offended because it's a sportsbike. What I wrote is that you seem to be offended by the release of it -- it seems to upset you that Buell have produced a motorcycle that's not to your taste.

Don't colour my words. I wrote that Buell have been producing bikes in a particular niche -- as do Harley Davidson. I didn't say they'd produced the same bike over and over again. What I was trying to say (I think most people understand this) is that manufacturers have no imperative to stick to making bikes in the same niche. Suzuki don't just produce faired sportsbikes, they also make scooters. You don't see GSXR riders getting bent out of shape by the release of a new moped.

I very much doubt they'd drop your line of bike. The reasons you've raised (and others too) why you don't like it show that easily enough. Sure, they're both performance oriented bikes, but they're very different in character, and target quite diverse markets. Why drop one, especially with so much affection for it from the community?

[dangerous]

Ok now this thread has become a Buell bashing and Buell rider bashing thread... its actually about the new Buell R and those that ride a R have the best opinions to add to the topic at hand, Buell are going to lose a few hard core Buellers but having said that they will gain more run off the mill riders this putting there sales up.



D, you're as one eyed as that OAB fella. Country of origin does not a good bike make. That's not to say don't be proud of where it came from, even my SV has a Japanese flag on it (man does that polarise opinion! One tiny little piece of vinyl!)
Not with ya... one eyed? Guzzi/buell? at the end of the day the average jappa is a better bike.


The new Buell's got straight cut gears, not helical, if that's what you were trying to imply; it's a little hard to tell from your rambling sentence structure.


Just don't have a go at someone who has a different opinion to you, especially when you insist on talking out of your arse in doing so.

Buell up untill 06 have straight cut gears my comment was aimed at the remark refering to a shitty box/linkages... its due to straight cut gears and they aint the nicest to use but its all part of a BEArs bike... by that I was only refering to a Brit, Euro, Yank bike versas a Japper nothing to do with racing.

This is a discussion forum... I will have a go (if thats how it was perceived) at some one... and the only arse round her mate is you :Punk:

My over all point was (do you want me to s l o w down for you) :dodge: people as a general rule buy a BEArs (Brit/Euro/US) bike cos that want something different... Not a Japper

[imdying]

My over all point was (do you want me to s l o w down for you) :dodge: people as a general rule buy a BEArs (Brit/Euro/US) bike cos that want something different... Not a JapperWhich is pretty messed up, surely you'd buy a bike on its merits (price, performance, whatever). I mean, Grandad who fought the Japs in WWII, I can accept he doesn't want to buy a Japanese bike, but what difference does it make to the rest of us?

[Rashika]

I didn't mention anything about you being offended because it's a sportsbike. What I wrote is that you seem to be offended by the release of it -- it seems to upset you that Buell have produced a motorcycle that's not to your taste.
I aint offended by the release :scratch:... cant figure where ya have that from? Buells have a couple of bikes that aint to my taste, doesn't mean I dont like the 'idea' of them. I think its surprising they have gone so far from 'their' norm, and I think this one is a bit Fugly, esp as they dumped those big arsed air covers with the tuber range, and have now brought em back. Till now Buell have NEVER used anything 'cept HD engines for anything... time for change? perhaps... :mellow:




Don't colour my words. I wrote that Buell have been producing bikes in a particular niche -- as do Harley Davidson. I didn't say they'd produced the same bike over and over again. What I was trying to say (I think most people understand this) is that manufacturers have no imperative to stick to making bikes in the same niche. Suzuki don't just produce faired sportsbikes, they also make scooters. You don't see GSXR riders getting bent out of shape by the release of a new moped.

I very much doubt they'd drop your line of bike. The reasons you've raised (and others too) why you don't like it show that easily enough. Sure, they're both performance oriented bikes, but they're very different in character, and target quite diverse markets. Why drop one, especially with so much affection for it from the community?
pretty easy to colour yours words. ;)
Your meaning of niche must be different to mine... A focused, targetable part of a market: in this case a 'sportsbike' market...'till now the 'R' has been that, now the new 'R' might be it, time will tell. (Have you noticed with all the other Buell models they have a different letter on the end, but not this one?)
If they released a GXR1005 with some major changes, is it possible there would be a few people wondering what it means to the GSXR1000?

[skelstar]

Which is pretty messed up, surely you'd buy a bike on its merits (price, performance, whatever). I mean, Grandad who fought the Japs in WWII, I can accept he doesn't want to buy a Japanese bike, but what difference does it make to the rest of us?

Probably a lot to do with a potentially misguided idea that theres some wrinkled old Italian man hand-crafting their RSV-R or F4 312 in a shed somewhere in North Italy.

[imdying]

I guess I'd take a robot over a man who might've drunk too much wine over lunch :lol:

[dangerous]

I guess I'd take a robot over a man who might've drunk too much wine over lunch :lol:

And theres ya answer right there... I dont, I like the idea a half pissed Iti shoving pizza down his throat putting the wrong parts on my bike, forgetting to tighten bolts, and using cheap arse electrics cos they just ran out of funds... My bike is the only Nero Corsa in Australiasia... how many SVs in Christchurch? why be normal and follow the millions? Ill take the chance :scooter:

[HenryDorsetCase]

You don't see GSXR riders getting bent out of shape by the release of a new moped.


Well they bloody should: have you SEEN how ugly the new scooters are?

[xwhatsit]

I aint offended by the release :scratch:... cant figure where ya have that from? Buells have a couple of bikes that aint to my taste, doesn't mean I dont like the 'idea' of them. I think its surprising they have gone so far from 'their' norm, and I think this one is a bit Fugly, esp as they dumped those big arsed air covers with the tuber range, and have now brought em back. Till now Buell have NEVER used anything 'cept HD engines for anything... time for change? perhaps... :mellow:




pretty easy to colour yours words. ;)
Your meaning of niche must be different to mine... A focused, targetable part of a market: in this case a 'sportsbike' market...'till now the 'R' has been that, now the new 'R' might be it, time will tell. (Have you noticed with all the other Buell models they have a different letter on the end, but not this one?)
If they released a GXR1005 with some major changes, is it possible there would be a few people wondering what it means to the GSXR1000?

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Hehehe, good response.

I'd argue that the difference between this bike and yours is far greater than you're saying. Never mind just the styling changes and fully-faired look, the things also got a completely new and vastly different engine. I think the engine alone puts it in a completely different target audience than your bike. I don't think many of those who are Buell's traditional customers are going to want to buy this bike, much like many SV1000/GSXR750 riders were never really interested in traditional Buells. By making this bike, you're not going to see the market for traditional Buells dry up.

As long as Firebolt Classiqué (and updated versions thereafter) continues to sell well -- which it no doubt will, as many people have made a strong argument to why they prefer it -- they wouldn't drop that line.

[imdying]

And theres ya answer right there... I dont, I like the idea a half pissed Iti shoving pizza down his throat putting the wrong parts on my bike, forgetting to tighten bolts, and using cheap arse electrics cos they just ran out of funds... My bike is the only Nero Corsa in Australiasia... how many SVs in Christchurch? why be normal and follow the millions? Ill take the chance :scooter:Yeah, I'd rather take my chances and build my own bike.

[slowpoke]

And theres ya answer right there... I dont, I like the idea a half pissed Iti shoving pizza down his throat putting the wrong parts on my bike, forgetting to tighten bolts, and using cheap arse electrics cos they just ran out of funds...

Can I get a job at MotoGuzzi? I reckon I'd fit right in.....

[buellbabe]

I think that Buellers and non-Buellers just look at this new bike from a different perspective.

From a non-Buellers perspective there are people who have been wavering cos they just can't bring themselves to admit that an engine coming out of the Harley factory can actually be any good (LOL...actually it IS good but thats another thread)...anyway now those people might just take a leap into the unknown and find out why Buellers are so in lust with their bikes :-)))
Welcome to the world of Buelliganism!

For those of us that are already 'living the dream' its a different thing. When my bike, the incredible X1, was released, it was so technologically advanced at the time that the original tuber owners were shocked and horrified.
They got used to it and then when the Firebolts came out I found myself feeling that same way... it was just so different.
These days I have ridden one (did 4000kms in 10 days on an XB12R) and I LOVE the Firebolt.
The new 1125R will grow on me as well, especially when the aftermarket parts become available! But for now, as is, I still think its fugly.
Impressive but fugly...

Oh yeah and the word from Buell mechanics is that its gonna be EXPENSIVE to service. Bummer.

[James Deuce]

That bike has side-boobs.

[Big Dave]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>
As long as Firebolt Classiqué (and updated versions thereafter) continues to sell well -- which it no doubt will,

I doubt it will - if you ask the people on the floor selling them: 'people want something new'.
1 0r 2 more years and done. Guessing.

[xwhatsit]

I doubt it will - if you ask the people on the floor selling them: 'people want something new'.
1 0r 2 more years and done. Guessing.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>So why not release a new Firebolt? This is not Firebolt Classiqué, it doesn't fill the same market. At least that's what people are saying.

[Big Dave]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints> At least that's what people are saying.

on here.

static on the dedicated forums is all abuzz re new one new one new one.

Lotsa yanks want an american made superbike - 'buy union made' is a big thing. to many a firebolt is as close as it got.
give 'em the 147hp real mcCoy - particularly with a visual point of difference to the jap bikes - scoopy doop doop - and they'll sell reaaaal well.

Not that I'm likely to, but I would pick a 1125r over a firebolt - but I wouldn't want that engine in my dual sport. Motard yup

I'll wait till I see it in the flesh before passing judgement on the appearance. Some of the most beautiful wimmen I know take a crap photo.

Mind you the the old Firebolt is great fun.

http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.Pictures/misc2/smoked.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.Pictures/misc2/stunter2.jpg

[xwhatsit]

Lotsa yanks want an american made superbike - 'buy union made' is a big thing. to many a firebolt is as close as it got.
give 'em the 147hp real mcCoy - particularly with a visual point of difference to the jap bikes - scoopy doop doop - and they'll sell reaaaal well.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>It won't bother them that that big lump between their legs is Austrian, then?

If anything then it'll make for some fun flamebaiting on American forums :D

[James Deuce]

If you can have Afro-America, and I can't see why you can't have Austro-American.

[Big Dave]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>It won't bother them that that big lump between their legs is Austrian, then?


Since when has logic entered into it?

[Big Dave]

If you can have Afro-America, and I can't see why you can't have Austro-American.



Don't mention....never mind.

[sAsLEX]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>It won't bother them that that big lump between their legs is Austrian, then?

If anything then it'll make for some fun flamebaiting on American forums :D

They don't seem to mind Arnie.......

[JimBob]

Considering the XB series has components from Japan, China, Taiwan, Italy, Austria and USA, a little more Austrian shouldnt make too much difference. The present engine isnt 100% American anyway.
If they really want to buy made in America they should be buying a Honda

[buellbabe]

I doubt it will - if you ask the people on the floor selling them: 'people want something new'.
1 0r 2 more years and done. Guessing.

Big Dave knows what he is talking about...

As a fellow Buell rider I know all too well what its like to have your model no longer in production cos its been superceeded by a completely different bike.

NOT just up-graded... but REPLACED by a new model... most tuber owners now purchase standard Buell and aftermarket parts via certain internet sites.

The same thing is gonna happen with the Bolts...its sad but true...

[imdying]

Soooo, what you're saying is that Buell owners are Luddites? :rofl:

[buellbabe]

Resistant to change?

hardly!

When the Buell first surfaced most of the motorcycling world scoffed at its advanced (YES!) styling, suspension etc...

Buell is ANYTHING BUT stuck in the past and that applies to us Buelligans...but we are only human and its a case of each to his own...just cos a particular model is no longer in production does not make it any less desirable.
Fact: the S1 Lightning is still considered the PENULTAMITE Buell to own...

[imdying]

Fact: the S1 Lightning is still considered the PENULTAMITE Buell to own...Was babe, you're living in the past :rofl:

[buellbabe]

Not if you actually OWN a Buell...
Believe me, they are still very much admired.
YOU may not agree but you are not a Bueller.

[imdying]

Not if you actually OWN a Buell...
Believe me, they are still very much admired.
YOU may not agree but you are not a Bueller.I'm just teasing you :Pokey:

I have a boring job for a retarded customer that I have to complete some time today... this is me procrastinating :scooter::sunny::love::zzzz::second::innocent::sic k::shutup:

/edit: Interesting to note, the S1 is the most conventional of the Buells... bloody Luddites :rofl:

[buellbabe]

ha ha... no worries... I take the bait everytime LOL

Just out of interest ( and apologies if I am taking this off-topic ) ... I have just been on my Buell Forum chatting to a bloke who has sold his XB (purchased brand new not so long ago) and is in the market for a.... S1 White lightning.

:yes::Punk::love:

[James Deuce]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/penultimate

[Big Dave]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantic

[imdying]

I'll play your silly game. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)

[xwhatsit]

I'll play your silly game. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>:lol: `Must spread rep around' :first:

Princess Bride says: `That word does not mean what you think it means'

I'm glad it's not really the penultimate Buell. That would be sad.

[Big Dave]

pass.

fwiw penultimate is correct in the context - XBRR is the ultimate.

[xwhatsit]

pass.

fwiw penultimate is correct in the context - XBRR is the ultimate.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>How so? Is the S1 Lightening the second-to-last Buell to ever be made?

[Clivoris]

I'll play your silly game. (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dirty+sanchez)

Well. Just goes to show that you're never too old to learn. I love the interweb.

[imdying]

Right, enough idle chatter. BD, you must steal one of these for a review ASAP!

[Big Dave]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>How so? Is the S1 Lightening the second-to-last Buell to ever be made?

Second last step up the XB range.

[laRIKin]

Well a Buell is looking better now it has a 1125 Rotax motor.

So now the Buell and the HD crowd will be different.
And will not have the discussion on whether A Buell is a Harley or not.:dodge:

And here is the link about it and a vid.
http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/sportbike/1125r/index.asp


I see that my post got moved as I did not know there was a thread all ready going about it. Talk about not able to find your own stuff :Playnice:
And that is why this post reads a bit strange.

[WarlockNZ]

And will not have the discussion on whether A Buell is a Harley or not.:dodge:http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/sportbike/1125r/index.asp

Oh go on ... that would be funny ...:corn::corn:

[S&S]

Im with you they look like a squashed penis with a lopsided sv or r1 blended into it. Its hideous!

Squashed Penis.... lmao

[laRIKin]

Oh go on ... that would be funny ...:corn::corn:

Trust me it happens.

Some Buell riders say that a Buell is not a Harley as it is a Buell.
And some Harley guy's will not recognise a Buell as a Harley. :whocares:

[dangerous]

Well a Buell is looking better now it has a 1125 Rotax motor.
Ohhh mate, come on it would be like putting a Aprilia RSV in the new Guzzi sport... just wouldnt be the same would it.

[Mr. Peanut]

Buellaha R1 :mellow:

[imdying]

Ohhh mate, come on it would be like putting a Aprilia RSV in the new Guzzi sport... just wouldnt be the same would it.
Hahahahah Guzzi wish :rofl:





:blip:

[Big Dave]

Trust me it happens.

Some Buell riders say that a Buell is not a Harley as it is a Buell.
And some Harley guy's will not recognise a Buell as a Harley. :whocares:

True.

My Buell owner's manual came sealed in a Harley-Davidson bag.
A Harley for mine. Owned.

[WarlockNZ]

Trust me it happens.

Some Buell riders say that a Buell is not a Harley as it is a Buell.
And some Harley guy's will not recognise a Buell as a Harley. :whocares:

Does it actually matter ?? I mean really ... My old man wants me to bet a buell so i can join the harley owners group (i refuse to ride a cruiser) and yes .. they do allow you to join with a buell.

Look, i know that a lot of riders define themselves by their bike and i'm no exception .. I'm a "biker" .. i don't care what i ride, as long as i'm riding :Punk:

[laRIKin]

a buell so i can join the harley owners group (i refuse to ride a cruiser) and yes .. they do allow you to join with a buell.


BUT will they talk to you.
I kid you not.:yes:

[laRIKin]

Well a Buell is looking better now it has a 1125 Rotax motor.


Ohhh mate, come on it would be like putting a Aprilia RSV in the new Guzzi sport... just wouldnt be the same would it.

I think that it would make it a better motorbike.
And I for one would look at buy one more seriously than I would now. :bleh: :innocent: :dodge:

Runs for cover

[dangerous]

I think that it would make it a better motorbike.
And I for one would look at buy one more seriously than I would now. :bleh: :innocent: :dodge:

Runs for cover

Well like the buell... I wouldnt... yes a rotax powered Buell or Aprillia powered Guzzi would be a faster, beter, up to date, more powerfull and economic bike, but then I might as well buy a RSV Mille, the fins, thump, push rods and old scool true blue fair dinkim slow reving enging is 50% the reason I own Guzzi, and love the Buell.

[buellbabe]

Well like the buell... I wouldnt... yes a rotax powered Buell or Aprillia powered Guzzi would be a faster, beter, up to date, more powerfull and economic bike, but then I might as well buy a RSV Mille, the fins, thump, push rods and old scool true blue fair dinkim slow reving enging is 50% the reason I own Guzzi, and love the Buell.

Damn! Gotta spread the rep around before I can give it to YOU again but bling for that...
Ya hit the nail on the head :yes:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ohhh mate, come on it would be like putting a Aprilia RSV in the new Guzzi sport... just wouldnt be the same would it.

not to mention it would look all funny what with the clutch and gearbox hanging out on one side. I guess you could offset the thing in the frame slightly to compensate. you'd need to machine up a pinion gear to replace the sprocket, too to turn the drive sideways.. but yeah, I think with a few beers, some duct tape, a measuring stick and a couple of big hammers it could be all done and dusted in a weekend.

You've got a spare RSV motor lying around? I'm keen to help.....

;-)

[dangerous]

not to mention it would look all funny what with the clutch and gearbox hanging out on one side. I guess you could offset the thing in the frame slightly to compensate. you'd need to machine up a pinion gear to replace the sprocket, too to turn the drive sideways.. but yeah, I think with a few beers, some duct tape, a measuring stick and a couple of big hammers it could be all done and dusted in a weekend.

You've got a spare RSV motor lying around? I'm keen to help.....

;-)

Wouldnt bother with the RSV engine man... lets just use Guzzi's own VA10 water cooled 4v DOHC transverse engine desgined in 97 :Punk::Punk::Punk:

[MD]

Do I have to seek permission from the Buell owners/fanclub on here before I voice my opinion on this new model? They seem very tender on this subject.
Lets all chip in and build them a bridge so they can get over it.

I'll be bold and comment without their consent. I like it. There, now that didn't hurt did it?

What with me being a convert to Rotax engines this may be the surprise package of 2008.
Bring on the reviews and a viewing in the flesh to decide if it's ugly or not.

[Hitcher]

Dirck Edge likes it too. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27august07_2008buell1125r.htm

[Blackbuell]

I dont care how ugly it is,i know it i going to one hell of a bike,i placed my order as soon as they got released & i'm told we will be getting them ahead of a lot of other dealers cause we got in & placed deposits to guarantte delivery,i read forums every day in the states,the reports on these bikes are very good,cant wait to get in out & on to the track.

[ajturbo]

I dont care how ugly it is,i know it i going to one hell of a bike,i placed my order as soon as they got released & i'm told we will be getting them ahead of a lot of other dealers cause we got in & placed deposits to guarantte delivery,i read forums every day in the states,the reports on these bikes are very good,cant wait to get in out & on to the track.


and when you bring it to the track.. remember your mates.....

Ah mate!

[Rashika]

and when you bring it to the track.. remember your mates.....

Ah mate!

MAAAAAATTTTTEEEEEE :niceone:

[dangerous]

Do I have to seek permission from the Buell owners/fanclub on here before I voice my opinion on this new model? They seem very tender on this subject.
Lets all chip in and build them a bridge so they can get over it.

I'll be bold and comment without their consent. I like it. There, now that didn't hurt did it?

What with me being a convert to Rotax engines this may be the surprise package of 2008.
Bring on the reviews and a viewing in the flesh to decide if it's ugly or not.

Dont be so silly MD, the Buell comunity will love the 1125, the part they/we didnt like is that the HD engine is the heart of the Buell and there is something about the feel and sound of that engine... and the Rotax will not have that feel.

Now Iv already been offered a 1st ride on the 1125 arivel, now this thing has growen on me and I like it, reckon it could be me :Punk:

[Dazza]

Dont be so silly MD, the Buell comunity will love the 1125, the part they/we didnt like is that the HD engine is the heart of the Buell and there is something about the feel and sound of that engine... and the Rotax will not have that feel.

Now Iv already been offered a 1st ride on the 1125 arivel, now this thing has growen on me and I like it, reckon it could be me :Punk:
You'll be stuffed as soon as you take it for a ride :devil2:

[Ocean1]

It's hideous. The scoops completely fuck up an otherwise good looking bike.

And from the specs it looks to be a step away from what I wanted when I bought my XB12. A lot of that had to do with the power characteristics, and I didn’t much care who’s mill produced that, as long as it was reasonably reliable.

Bear with me while I think out loud… The new engine’s got 30% more power, OK that’s nominally a bonus. Essentially the same torque but shifted up the rev range a bit, minor bummer. Same weight, but likely to be higher centre of mass with the OHC and all them balance shafts, another negative. It’s significantly more sophisticated, which means it’s way more expensive to manufacture and maintain. What else…

Water cooling might be necessary to run the tighter tolerances which make more revs (and therefore more power) possible but if the objective is to produce a more powerful Sprotsmobuell why don’t we try another approach. Less bangs per minute makes more tractable power and a flatter torque curve, so why make more bangs per min to chase hp numbers? We’ve got no constraints on capacity on the road, why not simply make the bangs bigger. One reason might be weight, it takes more mass to contain the bigger bang - but liquid cooling adds about the same weight. Another might be size - but the 12 is already a stroked 9, it’s actually under-square, so a higher capacity engine doesn’t necessarily need to be taller, just have bigger holes.

Overhead cams mean more revs too, but (as above) I don’t really want more revs, and all the cam and follower weight is up top, along with all that water jacket and radiator. I don’t dislike the idea of a more ridged, larger frame, I fit the 12 OK but a bit bigger would be betterer. But if I ever wanted more power I think I’d rather they got Rotax to look at going bigger there too, rather than faster. Oh, and I’d sure as hell ditch the F16 air intakes.

[buellbabe]

Do I have to seek permission from the Buell owners/fanclub on here before I voice my opinion on this new model? They seem very tender on this subject.
Lets all chip in and build them a bridge so they can get over it.

I'll be bold and comment without their consent. I like it. There, now that didn't hurt did it?
.

ha bloody ha ha...

ALL opinions welcome mate...

[RantyDave]

Dirck Edge likes it too. http://www.motorcycledaily.com/27august07_2008buell1125r.htm
I saw that. It's still ugly as hell. I say give it two years - they'll do a smaller/lighter version (900?) and it took the XB series a couple of years to get the styling right too.

But still, a Buell with a Rotax engine. I bet it goes like an absolute bastard.

Dave

[SPman]

http://www.2wf.com/content/view/750/28/


It sounds gooooooood

Hmm - with MsT looking seriously at a XB12, maybe I should look at one of these..........

[Bonez]

Well done Buell for putting another bike out there in cotormycledom.

[Mr. Peanut]

It's the Emperors new Buell :sweatdrop

[Big Dave]

http://www.2wf.com/content/view/750/28/


It sounds gooooooood

Hmm - with MsT looking seriously at a XB12, maybe I should look at one of these..........

Tell me what you need 147 horsepower for in a road bike you ride solo?

[Mr. Peanut]

Tell me what you need 147 horsepower for in a road bike you ride solo?

Not to mention horrific fuel consumption. It's a small penis thing.

[Big Dave]

Not to mention horrific fuel consumption. It's a small penis thing.


But that ultimately comes down to wrist work - personally I've never considered fuel consumption as a criteria for a motorcycle.

[Mr. Peanut]

But that ultimately comes down to wrist work - personally I've never considered fuel consumption as a criteria for a motorcycle.

That's cause I'm still going to be around when its $20 a litre.

[Scouse]

But that ultimately comes down to wrist work - personally I've never considered fuel consumption as a criteria for a motorcycle.But you would if you were a shelf filler at Thames Pak n Save

[Mr. Peanut]

But you would if you were a shelf filler at Thames Pak n Save

Have we met? :laugh:

[Big Dave]

But you would if you were a shelf filler at Thames Pak n Save

I've been a gypsy fruit picker and still didn't give a stuff.

[Mr. Peanut]

It almost sounds derogatory :mellow: I love my job!

Next year I'm applying to be a firefighter, I'm already on the Thames volunteer force.

[Big Dave]

It almost sounds derogatory :mellow: I love my job!

Next year I'm applying to be a firefighter, I'm already on the Thames volunteer force.

Good on you.

For the petrol thing - I look a big bike and say 'about 20% of what it costs to fill a car.'

Or - I'm 80% better off than those sukas in the tin tops - so hasta la vista baby.

If it guzzles so hard as to effect the range of the bike I have issues - but cost per km - 80% of dem puss cents

[limbimtimwim]

Tell me what you need 147 horsepower for in a road bike you ride solo?So it is easier to wheelie at higher speeds of course.

[Gregd17]

http://www.lazareth.org/pdf/buellXB.pdf