Did I hear someone whinge about the price of 250s? [Archive]

mynameis

8th July 2007, 15:30

xwhatsit

8th July 2007, 15:34

I have to say, though, it's in marvellous nick. I think there's a chance somebody with more money than sense would buy it.

onearmedbandit

8th July 2007, 16:39

That is criminal, plain and simple.

jonbuoy

8th July 2007, 16:44

In that colour, with those cheesy vacuum cleaner pipes they've got to be having a laugh.

The Lone Rider

8th July 2007, 16:45

Dave Lobster

8th July 2007, 17:19

If that sells for that price, I'll put my RS250 on for $15k.

It'd be more of a bargain.

Mom

8th July 2007, 17:24

Would hope that it is a typo???? Might ring and enquire tomorrow :yes:

Mr. Peanut

8th July 2007, 18:03

Whogivesashit.

Yamaha Scorpio, then move on to a bigger, cheaper bike.

deanohit

8th July 2007, 18:13

You can buy a bigger engine bike for less, and the money you save easily pays for any fines you might get if you get pulled over (just dont speed and that won't be a problem!). And you'd have some money left over to go to Mickey D's.

I think Dyers says it all. Its a very tidy an hot looking bike:scooter:, but a very steep price.:shit:

avgas

8th July 2007, 18:17

If that sells for that price, I'll put my RS250 on for $15k.

Trade ya 1 and a half virgins for it ;)

cowboyz

8th July 2007, 18:28

Does look mint but likely that its done 114000km not the 14000km and had a paint job and clean up. Who would know?

That is some serious crazy money for a 16 year old bike.

kneescraper

8th July 2007, 18:31

Thats a cool looking Kwaka but still not cool enough to be worth that much.

sunhuntin

8th July 2007, 18:35

Trade ya 1 and a half virgins for it ;)

how the hell do you get half a virgin? too small the break right through, avgas?

:dodge:

The Lone Rider

8th July 2007, 18:46

Did I hear someone say virgin!? :D

Half virgin must be someone who has phone sex.

Deviant Esq

8th July 2007, 18:48

Holy fuck, that's just stupid money for a 250. The NZ dollar is stronger than it's ever been... yet 250s are more expensive than they've ever been... despite being older than they've ever been. What a crock of shit. Anyone thinking of spending $8495 for a 16 year old 250cc, go and see Skelstar. You'll get yourself a two year old 900cc, extremely well looked after and sexified to boot, for a grand less. Edit: Linky... (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=52411)

I hope noone justifies that seller's asking price buy actually buying that bike. What a ripoff. Can't have cost him a third of that to buy and import it.

Dave Lobster

8th July 2007, 19:08

Trade ya 1 and a half virgins for it ;)

Got any photos of these virgins? And, is the half chinese?

Brett

8th July 2007, 20:55

Red Baron are surely taking the piss. If not, then they have finally over stepped the mark and are I now consider them to be complete and utter rip off artists. The bikes were cheaper than that new. That, or that ZXR better have a small turbo conversion hiding away somewhere in that little frame.

cowboyz

8th July 2007, 21:22

Just had another thought. Someone might buy this as a mint bike with low ks. Ride it away and have a buckle small scratch the tank and they are going to lose 90% on the purchase price.

Then again, it might be a typo. Maybe they were surposed to put ZX6R and it is a 2001 model.

avgas

8th July 2007, 21:37

how the hell do you get half a virgin? too small the break right through, avgas?

Nah i was just saving the other half for later

avgas

8th July 2007, 21:43

Got any photos of these virgins?
OK here are the 1 and a half virgins

Disco Dan

8th July 2007, 22:15

That is down right criminal. I knew Red Bastards were ripping people off left right and centre but thats just taking it too far... I wont even buy parts from them any more... 99% of the time the same part sells for 2/3 of the price everywhere else.

I just hope some poor bugger doesnt buy it... what a rip off. They should be ashamed of themselves. :nono:

imdying

8th July 2007, 22:36

When you consider some poor young guy is probably going to finance that... the final price paid all up is interesting. But meh, it's Red Baron, no surprises there.

SARGE

9th July 2007, 00:48

Yeah yeah I know we've moaned about it in the past and it has been discussed before, like tyres, insurance and any other issue in the world.

KB just seems to be the answer of pretty much everything in life eh ? NOT !

0oh well back to the topic :

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=107811826&key=267237

For those who have missed out in the past. What have you got to say about this? Think someone will come along and buy it at that price or they will eventually drop the price??

nope .. she'll go at that price .. easy .. thats a Pommy Meadowcroft paintjob first off.. he ALWAYS does em kickass.. id check on what has been done to it mechanically .. dont forget you get the $600 learners package on that .. might screw them down without it ..

bottom line .. gas is skyrocketing.. look for $2 a litre by Xmas .. more people on bikes .. more young people who have more $$ than brains and small-cock syndrome.. prolly sell it to a chinese kid who's mummy bought him a house in Parnell to live in while he drinks and chases white women at Uni

Karma

9th July 2007, 00:56

SARGE

9th July 2007, 01:00

Agree with sarge, say what you will about prices, but if people weren't buying them at that price then those dealers would be out of business pretty quick, the fact they ain't tells me that they're not sitting around for too long.

hell.. i sold a race rep CBR250RRR at RB for that .. sold a few ZXR's that were not that nice for around that .. sold an NSR Repsol for $10000 at Coleman's

you keep buying em .. the dealers will keep selling them

xwhatsit

9th July 2007, 02:03

prolly sell it to a chinese kid who's mummy bought him a house in Parnell to live in while he drinks and chases white women at Uni

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Hey, that sounds like fun...

ZXR250s don't seem to sell for as much as the CBR250RRs. Not quite as quick? Or is homosexuality really that alluring?

imdying

9th July 2007, 08:11

thats a Pommy Meadowcroft paintjob first off..Doesn't matter, you don't get the money back that you've put in... it could be painted with magic pixie dust and it'd still be worth less because now it's not original. Given the the frame is black, and the fairings have been totally painted, it looks like an $8500 wreck that was crashed so badly that it needed the frame bogged up and thus required painting. Be damned if I'd pay that for something that looks like a cover up job.

Sure sure it might be fine, it might have had its frame painted for a perfectly good reason... but without pictures of the build, they can go jump.

Only thing that really bothers me though is that the sort of people that bike is aimed at, probably haven't been around long enough to be cynical about these sort of things, and probably won't consider what it was that justified a ground up rebuild.

Mr. Peanut

9th July 2007, 09:10

Mate, people can keep buying these as far as I'm concerned. Puts less pressure on the rest of the market.

My friend bought a CBR250RR, on finance for $7k, not very good nick either :sick:... And his father's been riding for decades. Go figure.

I bought my 250 for $1250 :D

SARGE

9th July 2007, 10:41

Only thing that really bothers me though is that the sort of people that bike is aimed at, probably haven't been around long enough to be cynical about these sort of things, and probably won't consider what it was that justified a ground up rebuild.

yup... and thats one of the reasons it will most likely go for that price ..

if you look at the demand, ( heaps of new bikers due to fuel prices and traffic) and the limited supply out of Japan.. its a sellers market ..

same with Auckland housing .. no way in HELL im gonna pay $350000 for a tinny house in Otara.. but someone will

mynameis

9th July 2007, 12:40

Yes you guys have hit the nail on the head, and to confirm it, the price is right and I know it will sell as well.

Some poor bugger n0o0b will rock along and buy it at that price. Init ridiculous eh. I've seen other ZXR's and CBR's go at 8.5g from Red Baron before aye.

Bugger !

Delerium

9th July 2007, 16:40

isnt that close to the NEW price of a cb250 hornet or vtr 250?!?!?

shcabbeh

9th July 2007, 18:41

This is what I sent them:

"Hi there, I'm emailing to ask what mods have been done to this bike to justify the price? Cheers, Mike"

I got back:

"Hi mike

The bike has had full re spray.

New tires, chain sprockets fully serviced complied for New Zealand.

The bike also comes with a three month 3000kms warranty.

Regards

Mark (GIO)"

After reading SARGE's reply, it seems that it doesn't need to have had any mods to go for that price. :shit:

Thanks but no thanks, I'm getting my middleweight for around that much.

SPman

9th July 2007, 20:24

It'll sell.

Saw a couple of CBR250's over here in the local Honda shop - $9200 & $8750!!!
They sold!
If they are clean and tidy, get used to stupid prices - unless they change the rules.

Karma

9th July 2007, 20:28

Crazy really... GSXR1000K1/2's going for around the same price :D

jester67

9th July 2007, 20:39

Sanx

10th July 2007, 09:27

mynameis

10th July 2007, 13:13

Well, as I have a pretty clean 1989 CBR250 (about 12,000kms - genuine) in my basement doing nothing. It has been dropped, but only got a small crack in the fairing. Certainly it's nothing that Reflections couldn't deal with in a few moments.

Looks like I should hang onto it for a few more months...

Yeah mate, I'd love to see someone do that, buy a decent one and just keep it in your garage and see the price sky rocket and hope the laws don't change.

Tidy it up, do all service work let it sleep in your garage, my predictions are in about 1 - 2 years time they will sell and go at $9995.

CptSolo

10th July 2007, 16:06

When are manufacturers going to start making some useful sport 250's so nobody has to buy this imported used crap at stupid prices. Guess NZ must be the only country with rediculous learner licence rules and clown outfits like redbaron can make a rude buck out of it.

You can't find a new 250 these days which looks half fast, Hyusung have come close and I presume are making fortunes with their line of 250's.

Bring back new 250 strokers I say!

Dave Lobster

10th July 2007, 16:39

Guess NZ must be the only country with rediculous learner licence rules and clown outfits like redbaron can make a rude buck out of it.

Yep! ten letters

Gremlin

11th July 2007, 01:20

Crazy really... GSXR1000K1/2's going for around the same price :D
red baron says these beautiful machines are worth more than your crappy gixxer too http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-107811825.htm?p=3 11 grand for a zx7r? Ummm, you can get newer faster gear than that, for the same price, I laughed my arse off this auction.

pity... mine was only a 5 years older, few more k on the clock... and I sold for half that :crybaby:

Coyote

11th July 2007, 08:32

Crazy really... GSXR1000K1/2's going for around the same price :D
Hell yeah, maybe I'll get one next year :p

It ain't worth it if you don't pay it - that's what auctions are about. Trouble is too many learners have smaller brains than dicks (not a compliment) and too much testosterone to wait for the bigger bike to come along...:scooter:
Guess I'm on my full now so I'm not really a learner...

Buying my old CBR250RR was a big mistake. Every little scratch you gave it made your heart stop, and falling over on it made your head explode. Nice bike to ride though but not worth more than $4000. I'm glad I downgraded to an RG, after several falls it paid for itself if you consider how much value I would've lost if I made the same mistakes on the 250

jonbuoy

11th July 2007, 08:47

33bhp limit would be a safer and better rule.

deanohit

11th July 2007, 09:14

33bhp limit would be a safer and better rule.
Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme

The Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme establishes a power to weight limit for novice motorcyclists.

R-Date licence holders (learners and riders with less than 12 months experience) are restricted from riding high-powered motorcycles unsuited to the learning process or capable of unnecessarily high performances and speed.

Motorcyclists gaining an R-Date licence or learner’s permit from 14 November 2005 are restricted to riding motorcycles that have an engine capacity of up to 660 millilitres with a power to weight ratio up to 150 kilowatts/tonne.

Holders of a R-Date licence issued before 14 November 2005 can ride motorcycles with an engine capacity up to 250 millilitres or those approved under the Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme.

The Learner Approved Motorcycle Scheme was introduced as a result of inadequacies being identified with the previous system of restricting novice motorcyclists to riding motorcycles with an engine capacity up to 250 millilitres. Engine capacity is not necessarily a good indicator of a motorcycle’s speed and acceleration capabilities. Advances in technology have increased the performance of some 250 millilitres motorcycles to the extent that it exceeds that of many larger capacity motorcycles.

The power to weight ratio of a motorcycle is the ratio of the maximum net power output of the engine to the motorcycle’s weight. This ratio determines the acceleration – the higher the ratio the faster the motorcycle can accelerate.

Found this on an Austrilian site. Personally I think this is a great idea because it opens up a whole new market of more suitably useful bikes to learners.:scooter:

imdying

11th July 2007, 09:44

In the end it won't matter, as shown above, places like Red Baron will still find new and creative ways to ream their customers. Buy smart is all you can do.

avgas

11th July 2007, 09:58

I think riders on L plates should not be allowed more than 200 cc's
as this eliminated all the so called road rockets.
Your only on L's for 6 months - then you can get 200-250ccs if you wish.
Put the kids on buckets, trail bikes, cruisers and low power sport bikes i say. As thats all you can get less than 200cc.
If there parents cant restrict them, the law should.
As for the HP law, it will never work - as most cops (not all) are too dense to tell a 250 from a 600. How are you expecting them to measure HP?

Whynot

11th July 2007, 10:01

As for the HP law, it will never work - as most cops (not all) are too dense to tell a 250 from a 600. How are you expecting them to measure HP?

It seems to work in other countries ....

Dave Lobster

11th July 2007, 10:07

It seems to work in other countries ....

Are you saying other countries have brighter cops?

Gremlin

11th July 2007, 15:06

While that is the law, I think, in effect, its actually a list of permitted bikes.

I'm sure most of our cops are able to check a bike against a list... aren't they? :dodge:

imdying

11th July 2007, 15:13

I think riders on L plates should not be allowed more than 200 cc'sWhat about the Suzuki LS650 Savage? That would have to be the most gutless sack of shit ever created, it'd be perfect for a learner.

JimO

11th July 2007, 15:22

What about the Suzuki LS650 Savage? That would have to be the most gutless sack of shit ever created, it'd be perfect for a learner.

the savaj'e puts out 33 hp same as my boys nz 250

xwhatsit

11th July 2007, 15:23

Getting off topic, we've had this discussion a thousand times already what would be a better scheme for restricting learner and restricted licence holders.

I think there's probably only about a dozen unique topics ever discussed on KB, and they just repeat over and over again.

I don't doubt that bike will sell. Red Baron seem to be overpriced in almost every respect; even getting spark plugs from them seemed to be an extra couple of dollars compared to the usual $6 I normally pay.

Do Red Baron have a representative on KB? A lot of the other motorcycle shops seem to have some representation here, it's interesting to hear the `inside story'.

There's that old line about what something's worth; it's worth as much as somebody will pay for it. I don't see Red Baron as evil here for putting a high price on a bike; if somebody will pay that much for it, that's what it's worth. I feel the same way about offering somebody too low a price -- some people get upset and offended when people offer a ridiculously low price for a bike on Trademe, but a price is just a number -- something for both sides to agree on. If either of you are not happy with that number, then don't agree to it.

avgas

11th July 2007, 15:33

While that is the law, I think, in effect, its actually a list of permitted bikes.

I'm sure most of our cops are able to check a bike against a list... aren't they? :dodge:
Um no,
was riding with a friend when he got caught being a dumbass in a 50k area (70K), cop pulled us over and while he wrote out the ticket.....stareing at the bog standard ZXR400 covered in typical Kawasaki stickers...asked "So this is a Suzuki aint it?" Never mind the fact that there were atleast 5 stickers along the side of the bike saying KAWASAKI, that you could see 10m away.
I kept my mouth shut to try and get my mate off the ticket - but he blurted out "No, its a Kawasaki" at which the cop then had to walk around the back of the bike and check the rego (which also said KAWASAKI).
Im not saying all cops are dim, im just saying that we need to lower the expectation bar if we expect more cops on the beet.

imdying

11th July 2007, 15:44

the savaj'e puts out 33 hp same as my boys nz 250Really? You think the LS650 puts out that much?

/edit: whoops, wrong bike.

imdying

11th July 2007, 15:45

I don't see Red Baron as evil here for putting a high price on a bike; if somebody will pay that much for it, that's what it's worth.Do you feel preying on people who don't know any better to be evil?

Dave Lobster

11th July 2007, 16:25

Do you feel preying on people who don't know any better to be evil?

I don't. If someone is prepared to carry $8500 into a shop and spend it on a bike without doing ANY research at all, fair play to the shop for taking advantage.

There's plenty of bike shops in town. If you want a bike, and you only walk into one shop, tough sh1t if you get stitched.

imdying

11th July 2007, 16:53

Normally I have a pretty mercenary attitude to such things, but I don't like seeing young fellas getting stitched up.

JimO

11th July 2007, 17:01

Really? You think the LS650 puts out that much?

/edit: whoops, wrong bike.

it says so on a bike spec site i use

xwhatsit

11th July 2007, 18:07

Normally I have a pretty mercenary attitude to such things, but I don't like seeing young fellas getting stitched up.

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>I am a young fella, who paid too much on his first bike purchase. I should've paid two thirds of what I did, especially given the history of the bike.

However, if you've got that much money floating around that you can just drop it on a purchase like that without even the most cursory research, then either you've got enough money that it doesn't matter, or you're as thick as a board. Either way, Red Baron aren't evil.

imdying

11th July 2007, 18:28

However, if you've got that much money floating around that you can just drop it on a purchase like that without even the most cursory research, then either you've got enough money that it doesn't matter, or you're as thick as a board. Either way, Red Baron aren't evil.Thing is, most young guys don't have that sort of money floating around, they end up financed to the hilt. Predatory pricing is evil, and I don't like it when it messes with young guys getting into the lifestyle. Sure, screw the older guys that should know better, but screwing young guys who dicks are driving them instead of their brains, is pretty callous. Wouldn't surprise me if that was a trade that they raped someone on, and now they're getting a second suck of the sav.

mynameis

12th July 2007, 12:19

Yes we have on many occasions discussed about bike restrictions, laws ect. If someone was to read through all the brilliant suggestions from KB and put together a solid proposal and send it to "someone/somebody" who here has a feeling that something would be done about it ??

And who would you send it to? I know driving such law changes isn't an easy thing. I suppose a submission to LTSA, Ministry of .......... ? But don't you need backing of like a squillion billion people before anything is done about it? Not that it affects me personally, I will be getting my full soon :p but to be perfectly honest NZ Motorbike laws are a bit of a joke. 10 years behind from UK US AUZ.

But then again just thinking about cage laws, which is my opinion is a pile of shit and if we had millions of pigs instead of sheep in this country, we could feed them all. Get your learners at 15.5, restricted at 16, do a defensive driving course and get your full at 17. Drink and drive a car full of drunken mates and kill them all and yourself at 18. In Auzzie in takes good 5 years before you get that blady gold licence!

So even after many people dying in cars in a year the fat lazy government hasn't changed the laws to fix the problem how and why would they change bike laws? We're blady only 10% or less on the roads compared to cagers! All they have done is run some half assed louzy campaigns on TV!

RANT OVER, IT'S YOUR TURN TO TALK SHIT NOW ! :)

jester67

12th July 2007, 16:30

I saw a quote yesterday somewhere that said "guns kill people like pencils make spelling mistakes". At the end of the day if you put someone on or in an object that is capable of speed then you have given them a licence to kill. A license or other trumped up piece of paper is going to do nothing to prevent it. As a society we do ourselves a disservice when we vote for a nanny state that continues to take responsibility for actions away from people and endeavours to empower the police to control it. Parents create kids and the attitudes of the kids.