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DEATH_INC.
22nd September 2004, 18:12
We're planning a lap of 22 on sunday(weather permitting),leaving the papakura autobahn @10.15ish.All welcome to join us,be there @ 10.(that's 9.30 for MR :Pokey: )
Maybe look at a couple of the attached roads too......
NC
22nd September 2004, 18:34
Where does the 22 come out at?
Zapf
22nd September 2004, 23:12
Just north of hamilton SH22 comes out at. I am keen on having a ride this weekend so think I'll be there... and other 250's? :)
loosebruce
23rd September 2004, 00:10
Maybe look at a couple of the attached roads too......
Ah the "secert roads".
Well i would be there, bike should be fully back together tomorrow, but argh i'll be in welly this weekend for my sisters 21st, no consideration she has, why a weekend, why, precoius riding time oh well onto the precious :apint: time.
Have a good ride to all that go, next weekend i'll be out for sure, hopefully on my new(ish) ride.
Firefight
23rd September 2004, 04:26
Where does the 22 come out at?
Naragwhia.
F/F :wacko:
Motu
23rd September 2004, 07:26
Naragwhia.
F/F :wacko:
Te Uku,but it has a couple of kms of gravel still,guess that's why you don't think it's part of 22.
Cajun
23rd September 2004, 07:48
nc30 i be going for a ride saturday somewhere, donno yet, got father in laws bday on sunday so no riding for me then
Coldkiwi
23rd September 2004, 12:21
Te Uku,but it has a couple of kms of gravel still,guess that's why you don't think it's part of 22.
I thought ALL of SH 22 had gravel on it!? (or ducks, or smooth tar, or chasms, or cows, or cow dung...)
Zed
23rd September 2004, 13:14
I thought ALL of SH 22 had gravel on it!? (or ducks, or smooth tar, or chasms, or cows, or cow dung...)
You forgot to mention the 3m wide crater (or was that the chasm?)...anyway, that road just wouldn't be as 'challenging' if it wasn't for it's obstacles!
I tell ya CK, after doing it about 12 times now I really do enjoy it more - why do you think Dave lives on it? :bleh:
Devil
23rd September 2004, 13:26
Out of interest, I cant think where state highway 22 is. Where does it start?
Ill look it up on a map when i get home.
dss3
23rd September 2004, 14:00
Keen:2thumbsup , Just gotta find the path from H-town to Papakura.
If you'll see one lost looking TL riding back and forth would you kindly through something at it and point it in the right direction!!
-Daryl
Cajun
23rd September 2004, 14:40
Keen:2thumbsup , Just gotta find the path from H-town to Papakura.
If you'll see one lost looking TL riding back and forth would you kindly through something at it and point it in the right direction!!
-Daryl
dss3 follow sh 1 you find it dc:<
Firefight
24th September 2004, 04:22
I thought ALL of SH 22 had gravel on it!? (or ducks, or smooth tar, or chasms, or cows, or cow dung...)
ho hum, ,yes well thought out CK, been up all night working on that one ??
F/F :sly:
Coldkiwi
24th September 2004, 12:43
ho hum, ,yes well thought out CK, been up all night working on that one ??
F/F :sly:
no no, they're just my only memories of it :lol:... oh, and a bit of a thwack on the exhaust for some reason coming into a one lane bridge....(can't remember what caused that!)
Two Smoker
25th September 2004, 11:16
i should be there on sunday :niceone: keen as too see the orange machine.....
Vagabond
25th September 2004, 18:22
Weather permitting, I'm in.
DEATH_INC.
25th September 2004, 18:53
Sweet,the weather looks promising too.....
There should be four or five of us coming,Sam's got a gixx thou now so he should be entertaining......and fun to try to keep in sight....
See you guys tomorrow.
DEATH_INC.
25th September 2004, 19:12
Out of interest, I cant think where state highway 22 is. Where does it start?
Ill look it up on a map when i get home.
While it does go to teuku (thanks motu) we don't,we head to ngaruwhahia(no metal,despite what CK says...)(green)the roads under the yellow aren't too bad either so we may have a look up them too....
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3896&stc=1
Oops the bottom yellow loop should go to huntly,but you get the idea...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3897&stc=1
this is where the autobahn is for those who don't know by now(sorry,it's a bit blurry)
Zapf
25th September 2004, 21:25
See u all there. Hopefully another 250 will turn up :P
Firefight
26th September 2004, 06:35
:sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
Oh man its such a better day than yesterday... :crybaby: atm, blue sky all directions, slight wind on puke hill 170degrees @ 12 knts, visability like for ever.. roads just drying nicely,, just the sort of day for a ride on 22, have a great day kbers.
F/F :( , wish I was able to do it with you today (the ride that is )
Slim
26th September 2004, 07:22
And the weather in Hamilton today ...
:sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny: :sunny:
Hope you lot have fun. :bye:
Zed
26th September 2004, 07:51
Oh what a mint day outside today. I can't make the ride this morning :weep: but I'll try and catch up with you all between 1-2pm. Will text Mr D for location details.
Enjoy and be safe!
erik
26th September 2004, 07:51
See u all there. Hopefully another 250 will turn up :P
I'll be there! (provided I don't break down on the way...). So you won't have any worries about being last, 'caz you won't be.
The weather looks great out west auckland way too :sunny:
DEATH_INC.
26th September 2004, 08:08
Good stuff,the more the better for dragging bikes back onto the road eh? :Pokey:
Zed,I'm figuring @ 1ish we'll prolly be about leaving ngaruawhahia....but txt anyhow ....
erik
26th September 2004, 08:26
Just as long as "the more" aren't the one's needing their bikes dragged back onto the road... :Oops:
I'll be really careful this time, promise.
Two Smoker
26th September 2004, 08:54
Woohoo, what a mint day.... im in :niceone: im about to go smash milky's window to wake him up, and he will come too :niceone: im hoping he will be nice and let me have a play on his ZXR400 :shifty: i like this thing called power....
Looking forward to some wheelie action, and i might break out the Sparkies too.....
Two Smoker
26th September 2004, 09:01
well Milky is making it to SH22 now hehehe....
dss3
26th September 2004, 09:57
ill head up 22 from h.town around 12 and see if i bump into anyone
cya
daryl
Slim
26th September 2004, 10:16
ill head up 22 from h.town around 12 and see if i bump into anyone
It would probably be a good idea not to "bump into" anyone on that road - F/F's SH22 rides are already notorious enough for accidents, without you heading out specifically to cause one! :shit: ;)
Mr Skid
26th September 2004, 11:24
Just as long as "the more" aren't the one's needing their bikes dragged back onto the road... :Oops:
I'll be really careful this time, promise.
I'm not road/crash worthy yet so you should be gauranteed a uninterupted ride :o
Joni
26th September 2004, 12:34
What an amazing day to be on the road - Have a stunning ride guys. :sunny:
badlieutenant
26th September 2004, 13:54
im running late :( but im heading that way, if any1 spots a blue vfr wave out :D
Milky
26th September 2004, 15:07
Woohoo, what a mint day.... im in :niceone: im about to go smash milky's window to wake him up, and he will come too :niceone: im hoping he will be nice and let me have a play on his ZXR400 :shifty: i like this thing called power....
Looking forward to some wheelie action, and i might break out the Sparkies too.....
That was quite a shock - being woken up by a deafening noise at eh ungodly hour of 9am :doh: You should have asked to swap bikes sometime. Maybe next ride aye.:rockon:
T'was a good ride down there... Until we stopped and had a chat. Something didnt work for me after that, I was tensing up, taking terrible lines and generally not enjoying myself. Then, coming down some hill, hit a rather large bump and tried to penetrate the tank with me balls... That saw me off to the side of the road for a while. Fair made me eyes water that did :weep: Guy on the blue R1 came back past me on his way home, and said that the rest of the group were waiting at an intersection not far up the road. So I head off, expecting to see a group of bikers, but none at the next intersection, nor the one after that :bye: What with it being my first ride in the area, no map, and no idea where I was headed, or where the next gas stop could be made, I thought I'd turn around.
Stopped at a cellphone tower to let TS know I hadnt crashed, and was heading back, and after that slight break my riding came right again. Maybe it was not pushing to catch up to what might be the group, the slightly less unfamiliar roads, or the absence of testicles in my chest, but I started to enjoy myself again. Still a long way to go before I get confident again though...
Zed
26th September 2004, 18:17
I had to get my weekly riding fix so I texted Mr D for the location of the group at 1pm and met up with them all at Huntly about 2.15pm, after having a rather boring blast down SH1 through tonnes of roadworks and Sunday 'drivers'!
Good to meet some of you for the 1st time (Death, Draco, Sam, Zapf, Vagabond). I had a good 4 hour riding fix and the secret roads from Huntly thru SH22 and through to Tuakau were awesome to ride as usual - and the weather couldn't have been much better! :sunny:
The Gixxer boys were truly a sight with their syncronised 2-300m monos - very skilled indeed!! :banana:
MikeL
26th September 2004, 18:34
Great day for a ride. Glad you guys enjoyed the Highway 22 experience. I had a lunch appointment in Taupo so had to give 22 a miss this time and do the boring SH1 bit. Still a great day, marred only by the involuntary $80 contribution to the consolidated fund that was exacted just south of Cambridge... :angry:
But worth it for the sun and cloudless sky...
Lots of other bikes on the road, too.
Two Smoker
26th September 2004, 18:37
Awesome ride guys, i had a great ride down, with a pretty fast pace.... Ride back was a bit slower due to my front tyre being knacked (got a new one just have to get it put on) Awesome to watch wheelies from Death, Sam and Zed.
But ofcourse it was a KB ride and there had to be an off :( Vagabond was riding great but on a corner he apexd too early, locked the rear brake and went off the road :( Draco sorted him out with her medical skills :niceone: and everyone pitched in to do what they could. JUST A NOTE IT WAS NOT ON SH22 lol. Vagabond had hit a concrete post pretty hard with his arse and had to be carted away to hospital. F/F was then rung, and the awesome guy came down and picked up the CB900 even though he had work, top effort Dave :niceone: maybe this waikato ride i can show you my appreceiation by buying you a few rums :niceone:
But other than the bin, it was a great day and a great ride with some great people :niceone:
Definately looking forward to the next one where i will HAVE BRAKES and a new front tyre and MR will be there on his TZR250 hehehe...... can't wait....
2_SL0
26th September 2004, 18:39
Zapf, do you have any problems keeping up, and what is your average speed.
As I am very keen to come along, once I have a little more confidence on the road.
Posh Tourer :P
26th September 2004, 19:07
You coming along to the rally judderbar?
Also, I'd probably be keen for a good few rides sometime.... I'm busy for the next three weeks, but after that is exam time, so I'm going to need lots of breaks from studying to keep me refreshed :D
DEATH_INC.
26th September 2004, 19:24
Zapf, do you have any problems keeping up, and what is your average speed.
As I am very keen to come along, once I have a little more confidence on the road.
Mate,don't be shy to tag along,we stop @ every intersection for everyone to catch up,and don't mind waiting for a bit.
Milky,we waited for quite a while,then figured the R1 guy would find ya and let us know if you needed help,felt better once TS said you'd txt him though.
Awesome days ride despite the mishap,sun everywhere.Good to try a couple of new roads too.
good to meet ya zed.
A big THANKS to dave for coming to pick up the bike. :2thumbsup top effort.
Two Smoker
26th September 2004, 19:24
Zapf, do you have any problems keeping up, and what is your average speed.
As I am very keen to come along, once I have a little more confidence on the road.
Mate dont worry about the pace you have..... ride your own ride, the guys upfront always stop at intersections and never complain.... Just come along to a KB ride :niceone:
6Chris6
26th September 2004, 19:24
Glad you guys had a great day out appart from the obvious.
Was gonna come along myself but had a bit if a late night and didn't get up in time so ended up doing a ride around Huia and then Old North to Wellsford with KK, Shaed and a couple of others.
What a nice change to have such a beautiful day to ride on!
erik
26th September 2004, 19:59
Well, today was a long day, but I have to say it was one of the best rides (apart from the bin) that I've ever been on. That "secret" road from Huntley to SH22 was awsome, and I felt like I was getting into the rhythm of riding the bike well.
It was really good riding with other people that I could (or almost could) keep up with, Zapf, Milky and Draco (well, almost). I think it kind of spoils the ride a bit if you're riding with people way faster than you and just get left behind all the time.
Judderbar, from my experience I don't think there is much chance of keeping up with other people on the faster bikes. My Zeal tops out at 140, and it's pushing it to get it over 120. I think the bigger bikes are able to accelerate quicker out of corners and on the straights and there's just no way to keep up.
Of course, a lot of it is rider ability and confidence as well.
Vagabond, I guess you won't be reading this for a while, but I hope you're doing ok.
Here are a few of the pics I took:
badlieutenant
26th September 2004, 20:27
sounds like every1 had fun. I just got back from my own ride. Saw heaps of bikes out there and the odd ambulance :shit: did anyone go for a blast down tauranga way? I was coming back and there were 3 bikes (400's i think) fully tapped out and i only had time to flash the last rider to tell him there was a HP up front. And any KB'rs receive a ticket out kaukapakapa way ? :D and was that a KB'er on the ninja thrashing the berries off his bike that went past me (i was in the cage) out towards warkworth way?? speak up sinners:D
awesome day but was it just me or were all the HP on the rural roads and not on the motorway ?
Posh Tourer :P
26th September 2004, 20:31
Glad you guys had a great day out appart from the obvious.
Was gonna come along myself but had a bit if a late night and didn't get up in time so ended up doing a ride around Huia and then Old North to Wellsford with KK, Shaed and a couple of others.
What a nice change to have such a beautiful day to ride on!
So who were the couple of others? I only saw the three of ya....
Firefight
26th September 2004, 21:12
spoke with VBs brother a while ago, they are keeping him in overnight, had x rays, and all the normal checks, seems hes not too bad which is great news.
Great that Draco was there to assess and tx, nice one Jen.
F/F :)
Two Smoker
26th September 2004, 21:26
Cheers for the update Dave :niceone: im sure VB will be back on a bike in no time.
6Chris6
26th September 2004, 22:42
So who were the couple of others? I only saw the three of ya....
Yeah we met Logan's mate Logan and Bruce (don't know if their on the site) at Massey before doin Old North.
BTW we sent Shaed after you when we saw ya but he couldn't find you, and we figured you were probably off to work or summink anyway.
aff-man
26th September 2004, 22:52
Cheers for the update Dave :niceone: im sure VB will be back on a bike in no time.
Hope he is ok. You think he'll get that 600 he was talking bout??
Posh Tourer :P
26th September 2004, 23:05
Yeah we met Logan's mate Logan and Bruce (don't know if their on the site) at Massey before doin Old North.
BTW we sent Shaed after you when we saw ya but he couldn't find you, and we figured you were probably off to work or summink anyway.
I was off up Scenic Drive - I wasnt going *that* fast :P. I was actually at work, just popping in to get lunch and mail, otherwise I woulda stopped....
DEATH_INC.
27th September 2004, 07:26
Just an update on VB,got a txt from him last night,at that point he has 1Xfracture,he was waiting for the surgeon to dig a bit more :doctor: .....I'll keep ya updated as/if I hear more :sweatdrop
dss3
27th September 2004, 08:44
Was a mint day for a ride, and my first ride wearing leathers ($$bargain!!), sooo much more comfortable/unrestrictive than my technic gears.
After a short ride behind twosmoker to Huntly I turned back to ham's. I had been trying to teach myself to get my knee down all morning, (so that the sliders were more than just a fashion accesory!) and then I came across a big long sweeping left hander. Probably about an 80km corner.
First time around it i thought 'what a mean corner' so I went back and tried it a bit faster/leaned a bit more, and YES knee touched down a couple of times... stoked.
Time for another run... too slow, couldn't get it down, then third run, hit corner fast (for me) and slid knee right around the corner! Faarkin cool!
Big smile on face all the way back to ham's and knee down a couple more times on the way to boot. Seems I just needed to push 5 or 10 % harder/faster on corners to get it down. And a check of the chicken strips when I got home confirm new max lean record for me, chicken strips have been halved.
Bring on summer and month of living in Matarangi!! (coromandel)
-Daryl
Zapf
27th September 2004, 11:33
Zapf, do you have any problems keeping up, and what is your average speed.
As I am very keen to come along, once I have a little more confidence on the road.
Glad to hear VB is ok and nothing too bad, hope to see him back on a bike but take it easy around corners :)
Judderbar, you should really come along. Yes I hav problems keeping up, hence more 250's the better :P heheh my 250 tops out at 140km as well and avg speed around 100~120 depending on conditions, so its more like being consistent and keeping a good rythem. Erik was keeping up on his FZR in the morning, and almost keep up in the avo when I was more focused.
Sorry we lost u Milky, I didn't realise it until talked to TS.
Draco has some very fast lines and I "tries" to keep up in the 250 :P
However I won't be riding next weekend as I'll be going skiing, so will be back weekend after next.... see u all then
aff-man
27th September 2004, 12:16
Glad to hear VB is ok and nothing too bad, hope to see him back on a bike but take it easy around corners :)
Judderbar, you should really come along. Yes I hav problems keeping up, hence more 250's the better :P heheh my 250 tops out at 140km as well and avg speed around 100~120 depending on conditions, so its more like being consistent and keeping a good rythem. Erik was keeping up on his FZR in the morning, and almost keep up in the avo when I was more focused.
Sorry we lost u Milky, I didn't realise it until talked to TS.
Draco has some very fast lines and I "tries" to keep up in the 250 :P
However I won't be riding next weekend as I'll be going skiing, so will be back weekend after next.... see u all then
Bullshit mate i have first hand experience of you keeping up on the vtr i might not have been going as fast as a could but you were doing danm well. GO the 250's
Firefight
27th September 2004, 14:22
If any of you have VB,s cell :mobile: or contact details can you let me know, last I heard he was in middelmore overnight, still got his bike in the garage of our humble cottage, not sure what he wants to do, or if your out there VB, give me a call, will be working dayshift :crybaby: 2 morrow, and will be gone all day, bikes safe locked in the garage.
:mobile: 021 304 310.
Firefight :cool2:
Slim
27th September 2004, 16:01
How depressing was it, being stuck at work until 3pm with the sun shining down out of a cloudless Waikato sky?!?!?? :crybaby:
Glad to hear you lot (mostly) had a good day - don't forget to keep us posted about VB, eh?
At 3pm, the sun was still shining, so I went through my front door, jumped into my gear and was on my bike heading out of the garage approximately 20 minutes after I arrived home!
Took the long way to Tauranga via SH1B, Cambridge, the quarry road from Mobil Karapiro and then straight across SH29 & SH27, thru Okoroire & on to SH28 and the bottom of the Kaimais. Had a cracking run up the Kaimais, doing 140-ish kph through the bottom few corners & 100kph through the tighter stuff - a good 10-15kph faster than normal. I was well into the groove of practicing shifting round on the bike & sticking my knee out (but not too far, since I haven't got any sliders attached to the velcro!) and it was a shame to take it slow-ish the rest of the way, since there's normally loads of HP's along there (but not yesterday).
Had a rather sedate ride home about lunchtime today - just nice to be out on the bike again. :D
:sunny:
DEATH_INC.
27th September 2004, 19:03
Spoke to vagabond this morning,he's in good spirits despite the injury,he's cracked t12 (vertabrae).Still not sure how long he's gonna be in for.
:doctor:
Two Smoker
27th September 2004, 20:18
Spoke to vagabond this morning,he's in good spirits despite the injury,he's cracked t12 (vertabrae).Still not sure how long he's gonna be in for.
:doctor:
Thanks for the update. Bugger about that :( I wont be riding next weekend either..... Will hopefully be on the track racing.... Awesome you got your knee down Daryl :niceone: you will be carving the sliders up no worries now :niceone:
Zapf
27th September 2004, 20:40
Spoke to vagabond this morning,he's in good spirits despite the injury,he's cracked t12 (vertabrae).Still not sure how long he's gonna be in for.
:doctor:
Ouch... and for the record he was wearing some sort of back protector.
Milky
27th September 2004, 21:06
Milky,we waited for quite a while,then figured the R1 guy would find ya and let us know if you needed help,felt better once TS said you'd txt him though.
Yeah I thought as much. I did stop for quite a while to recover after the incident... If I had known the general area a bit better I would have continued on to find you, but as it was turning back was a good option - allowed me to do some more study for the Uni test I had tonight :)
Zed
27th September 2004, 21:17
Ouch... and for the record he was wearing some sort of back protector.
Yes his back was protected, but I think the impact of his landing was where his backside came to an abrupt stop against a concrete post along a fenceline. I was the bike behind him when he binned it...moving stuff! :mellow:
Vagabond, you have my sympathies man. I hope you're not in too much pain and that the healing process is quick! Hope to see you back real soon.
Zed
Ghost Lemur
27th September 2004, 21:37
Damn sorry to hear about VB's bin. Prime reason to ALWAYS wear a back protector though. With the injury he's got, imagine how much worse it could have been without on.
Tis unfortunate that we make these realizations more often than not at the expense of some misfortune.
Speedy recovery VB, ask them for a computer. If being stuck in a hospital isn't bad enough just think of the gazillion unread posts you going to have to trawl through when you back.
BTW - for the less medicially knowledgable of us could someone (Draco?) explain the injury? is the t12 down by the tail bone?
Zapf
27th September 2004, 21:58
If they won't lend him a computer I'll lend him one. Just need some sort of internet connection which might be hard to come by. Can someone who is in contact with him / brother, pass on the offer.
erik
28th September 2004, 08:27
BTW - for the less medicially knowledgable of us could someone (Draco?) explain the injury? is the t12 down by the tail bone?
Google is your friend:
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/postabdwall/Bones-Thoracic.htm
There's the t12 vertebra, I think the T stands for thoracic (rib cage area).
I don't know how serious that kinda injury is or how long it takes to heal or anything though, and searching for that's a bit more complicated than looking for a picture.
DEATH_INC.
29th September 2004, 09:33
http://sprojects.mmi.mcgill.ca/postabdwall/image-vertebrae2a-t11+t12.jpg
Spoke to VB again this am,they're gonna operate tomorrow morn.He's still laughing which is good.He says he can't wait to get out though.
We'll pass on the offer zapf.
Ghost Lemur
29th September 2004, 14:14
Holy Shitzah, that like right in the middle of the back. We're talking he'd be in a wheel chair material if it wasn't for the back protector.
I hope everyone's watching and learning.
Glad he's keeping his spirits up. Hope you Jafas are planning a party for him when he gets out... yes yes shouldn't need an excuse for a piss up, but it is always nice to have one.
BTW - remember people no KBer has been seriously hurt since I've been a member. And I want to keep my record clear so STAY SAFE out there.
Coldkiwi
29th September 2004, 18:50
Holy Shitzah, that like right in the middle of the back. We're talking he'd be in a wheel chair material if it wasn't for the back protector.
I hope everyone's watching and learning.
Well said! Might post a link to this for all those that don't wear protectors
Draco
30th September 2004, 16:01
Damn sorry to hear about VB's bin. Prime reason to ALWAYS wear a back protector though. With the injury he's got, imagine how much worse it could have been without on.
BTW - for the less medicially knowledgable of us could someone (Draco?) explain the injury? is the t12 down by the tail bone?
Yep, T stands for thoracic (meaning chest basically) T12 is the last thoracic vertebrae. To give you an idea, T10 is at the level of you umbilicus (belly button) so it's a couple of inches or so lower than that. As death pointed out in MR's thread, he hit under his backside so a back protector wasn't much use, having said that, it could have been worse without that support.
I will be going up to the hospital to see VB on friday and see how his surgery went (he chipped a piece of bone off and they're taking it out). He sounds hopeful that he will be out fairly quickly once the surgery is done.
I think the most helpful thing VB (and those helping) did was for him to lie really still. So if your unlucky to bin guys, and your hurt, remember that!
I will pass on all your good wishes to him.
Cheers, Draco.
Firefight
30th September 2004, 16:07
as I said before Jen, its a good thing you were there, :niceone: I spoke to him yesterday, he seemed in good spirits, but dead keen to get out of hospital.
Firefight :wacko:
erik
30th September 2004, 22:29
Yep, T stands for thoracic (meaning chest basically) T12 is the last thoracic vertebrae. To give you an idea, T10 is at the level of you umbilicus (belly button) so it's a couple of inches or so lower than that. As death pointed out in MR's thread, he hit under his backside so a back protector wasn't much use, having said that, it could have been worse without that support.
I will be going up to the hospital to see VB on friday and see how his surgery went (he chipped a piece of bone off and they're taking it out). He sounds hopeful that he will be out fairly quickly once the surgery is done.
I think the most helpful thing VB (and those helping) did was for him to lie really still. So if your unlucky to bin guys, and your hurt, remember that!
I will pass on all your good wishes to him.
Cheers, Draco.
Jeeze, reading that makes it sound like he's damn lucky it's not any worse.
I hope the surgery goes well and he gets out soon!
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