Nothing to do with bikes but...

[Blackbird]

... there are some smart people on this site. :not:

On the way home tonight, I stopped off at the Red Shed and bought the Finn Brothers latest CD. Stuck it in the CD player and...... bugger all :mad:

Thought I'd got a duff CD until I got home and read the microscopic fine print which essentially said "This CD has an anti-copy device and you're stuffed for playing it on a car CD". Seeing as playing music in the car to and from work is about the only time I get to play music these days, I was just a mite ticked off. My CD player is quite a decent VDO model too.

Now all this might show that I'm a tad behind the times, but is there a way round this or am I well and truly screwed? And when you've finished sniggering at my ignorance, some advice would be appreciated :bye:

Cheers

Geoff

[カワサキキド]

never heard of a cd a couldn't play in the cage stereo??? :wacko:

[SPORK]

Well, I spose you could rip the songs onto your computer, then make a CD with them on... Do you have a CD-Writer? Any decent burning software (Read: Nero) should have a "Copy CD" function on it.

[Ghost Lemur]

Depending on the type of Protection they've used it could be a simple biro trick (on the old sort it was a felt).

If you can glean anymore info as to the protection type they've used I'll have a hunt for hacks for ya.

Personally I refuse to pay to be accused of being a "criminal". Also "ripping" the cd to a backup should bypass the problem. Will just be a case of finding a ripper capable of bypassing the particular protection system they've used. Thankfully the people working against such stupidity are a lot smarter and greatly outnumber those working to implement them. As long as that continues you don't really have much to worry about, besides the inconvenience.

Slightly OT: Can anyone else think of an industry that can get away with automatically accusing every customer of being a thief?

[Mongoose]

I'll add to my ever increasing admissions of hignorance, why if its an anti copying thingy would that stop it getting played in a car CD?I would have thought that would be the least likely place for a copy to be made from

[jazbug5]

Hadn't heard of the CD refusing to play in the car stereo- but my sister's car stereo (Sony- boo, hissssss) won't play self authored CDs. Which is particularly annoying, since I spent about 2 days making her compilation CDs for a road trip recently, and she couldn't play them.
What a rip off.
:disapint:

[Blakamin]

Personally I refuse to pay to be accused of being a "criminal". Also "ripping" the cd to a backup should bypass the problem. Will just be a case of finding a ripper capable of bypassing the particular protection system they've used.
Musicmatch jukebox will rip copy protected CD's
I have to rip CD's for a living and the only ripper we use at work is MMJB 8.2
A LOT of new cd's will have problems with car units and older cd players.
I went and got an mp3 player for the mrs cage. works well!

[MrMelon]

Blakamin, do you work at that place in Pram that does those mp3 jukeboxes?

I've heard a few of those copy protected cd's won't play in some stereos. It's pretty stupid really. It's just going to drive people to make more copies of them so they can actually use them.

[Blakamin]

Blakamin, do you work at that place in Pram that does those mp3 jukeboxes?

thats the place... i'm teh music manager :rolleyes:

[Blackbird]

Thanks for all the excellent feedback everyone – the saga continues! The fine print on the Finn Brothers CD says "This disc contains Copy Control technology. On some equipment, for example car CD players, playback problems may be encountered.” This is downright annoying as I suspect that many people listen to more music in the car than at home. I stuck the disc in the computer at home and got a message saying that more files needed to be loaded for it to play. The disc has its own player software on it!

Blakamin – thanks for the advice. I downloaded MMJ v 9.0 last night and failed to copy the tracks. This is probably as much my own incompetence as anything as guys hate reading instructions. :confused2 Will try again after the weekend.

It’s a bit of a worrying trend though if all CD’s are going to come out like this and can’t be played in the car. Sales might take a bit of a dive.

Will report back in a few days.

Geoff

[Blakamin]

do a google and see if you can get 8.2
I havent tried 9
another choice http://www.cd-ripper.info
links to heaps of rippers

[curious george]

I've got a *backup* if yuo need one too.
The original works in all our CD players, but shit that's annoying when you buy the original and it don't work.
Try Apple i-tunes, or google for E.A.C. too.
LAME is another good ripper if yuo can be bothered with it.

[toads]

I use a program called alcohol 120% for ripping cd's it removes most copyright problems, I always make backup cd's of all my software, and music as I have an issue with scratched cd's, pisses me right off paying heaps for a cd only to have it corrupted and usuable due to scratches etc, I have an mp3 player in the van excellent, can fit 100's of songs on one cd.

[MrMelon]

thats the place... i'm teh music manager :rolleyes:

Ah nice one. My old flatmate was working there doing that a couple of years ago :p

[Cajun]

blackbird i am sure there be someone up there in the geek know how can make up a backup copy so you can play in your car stereo

[jrandom]

There'll be a way. You'll probably have to rip it and make a new CD, though.

These so-called CD's *aren't*. You see, they implement 'copy protection' by deliberately including encoding errors in the data, so that players which actually follow the standard, check the validity of the Reed-Solomon encoding on the PCM data or whatever they're supposed to do, will reject them as invalid media.

Only players (typically older ones) that have 'dumber' decoding logic and accept stuff that isn't standards-compliant will play the so-called 'copy protected' CDs.

Look closely. The standard 'Compact Disc' logo should be absent from the one you're having trouble with. They're not allowed to put it on stuff that isn't actually a 'CD' (ie, doesn't comply with the standard).

[badlieutenant]

I havnt tried it for ripping copyprotected cd's but winamp 5 is working out for me. I think you can take cd's like that back to the store and get either a standard copy (if availible) or you could try downloading off the net to "backup" your copy.
btw if you are ripping it set your bit rate high. min 192kb preferably with vbr aswell (varible bitrate) so that when you re-encode back to cda its still good quality. also try making a copy using alcohol 120% and if you can get another prog called a-ray which wil determine the copyprotection needed to overcome for alcohol120.
Suks that you have to go thru all this shiet for something you payed for. I have leeched a few mp3's but cant be bothered with the viruses that come with them most of the time, crap quality alot of the time and never leech NZ artists. NZ's population is small and our music is so good Id rather hear more of it than listen to generic pop pumped out from overseas. I think there was a study recently that showed most NZ's dont think its too bad a thing to download overseas music but that its very "not kewl" to leech NZ artists.

[moko]

Slightly OT: Can anyone else think of an industry that can get away with automatically accusing every customer of being a thief?

The T.V. licence people over here cant get their heads around the fact that not everyone has a t.v. I spoke to the landlord of one of the flats in my block that had been empty for a few months and there were 5 or 6 letters from these dorks asking why the "occupier" didn`t have a t.v. licence then varying degrees of threat,the latest one stating that an inspector would be calling round.

[Blackbird]

"I'll get by with a little help from my friends" - and I did! :not: :not:

I used A-Ray to see what the anti-copy device was, then used Alcohol 120% to do the copy. Stuffed it up first time and it worked perfectly on the second try. Not only do I have a CD that works in the car, but I've learned a whole heap of new stuff in the process!

Beers all round for anyone passing through Coromandel at the weekends!

Thanks everyone for your great help. :spudwave:

Geoff

[toads]

"I'll get by with a little help from my friends" - and I did! :not: :not:

I used A-Ray to see what the anti-copy device was, then used Alcohol 120% to do the copy. Stuffed it up first time and it worked perfectly on the second try. Not only do I have a CD that works in the car, but I've learned a whole heap of new stuff in the process!

Beers all round for anyone passing through Coromandel at the weekends!

Thanks everyone for your great help. :spudwave:

Geoff

Alcohol 120% is an excellent program for other other copyright issues with data cd's too :first: glad you got it sorted, I hate the copyright thing, backup cd's are pretty essential I think.

[Blakamin]

Alcohol 120% is an excellent program for other other copyright issues with data cd's too :first: glad you got it sorted, I hate the copyright thing, backup cd's are pretty essential I think.
I forgot about that one... i normally use it for data :whistle: , but i've never made an audio cd with it

[badlieutenant]

just a thought but before you throw away old cd-rom drives or even dvd drives you may want to keep a hold of them, just in case. Newer drives look for watermarks on some cd's and dvd's but older ones havnt got it built in. Ive backup a few cd-s using older drives that couldnt be done with the newer ones.
And you can also get around the dvd issues (multiregion etc) the same way. Ive been told (and windows warns of it) that some dvd's on the 5th region change will have thier firmware (onboard eprom memory) flashed on the last change making them forever locked to that region. Unless you can flash the firmware yourself your stuffed. Older drives have firmware availible on the net to download. Just a thought.

[vifferman]

just a thought but before you throw away old cd-rom drives or even dvd drives you may want to keep a hold of them, just in case. Newer drives look for watermarks on some cd's and dvd's but older ones havnt got it built in. Ive backup a few cd-s using older drives that couldnt be done with the newer ones.
And you can also get around the dvd issues (multiregion etc) the same way. Ive been told (and windows warns of it) that some dvd's on the 5th region change will have thier firmware (onboard eprom memory) flashed on the last change making them forever locked to that region. Unless you can flash the firmware yourself your stuffed. Older drives have firmware availible on the net to download. Just a thought.This is complete and utter horseshit. Not what you said, badlieutenant - just the fact that we as consumers have to put up with all this crap. Time for a freakin revolution, Man! :ar15: :bash: