Closed roads...

[Winter]

Whats the law say about closed roads?

What does that line of road cones mean, legally?

What if there is a road thats not so much closed (ie no signs), but no longer a public road as it has no way in or out of the street?

[gijoe1313]

You thinking of stunting on it? :devil2: :blip: :msn-wink:

Interesting question... meesa wonder why you bringing it up! :lol:

[Taz]

I rode along the highbrook road (before it was opened) went thru the cones off the motorway one sunday morning and had to elude the cops on my way out at the east tamaki end so pretty sure I wasn't supposed to be rarking around the earthworks:nono: but was fun still.

[Winter]

well the question is for a number of situations.
Yes, one of them happens to be that there is a perfect peice of practice road right near my house.

Twas part of the road, then they rerouted it and left a few hundred meters with no way to get to it, asside from riding across some grass etc to get to it.

[Winter]

I rode along the highbrook road (before it was opened) went thru the cones off the motorway one sunday morning and had to elude the cops on my way out at the east tamaki end so pretty sure I wasn't supposed to be rarking around the earthworks:nono: but was fun still.

Thats great. Would love to know what they would have said to you.

One of my mates regularly ignores 'onramp closed' signs and scoots past.

[McJim]

Whats the law say about closed roads?

What does that line of road cones mean, legally?

What if there is a road thats not so much closed (ie no signs), but no longer a public road as it has no way in or out of the street?

I think it sounds like a fabulous place to practice emergency braking. How is your brake lever by the way?

And where have you been? Haven't heard from you for ages.

[Winter]

Levers great, McJim, and so am I!

Been away for 4 weeks on business in Christchurch and Wellington.
Good to be home now and back on my bike!

Hows you/wifey/kiddies/the duke?

[Filterer]

well the question is for a number of situations.
Yes, one of them happens to be that there is a perfect peice of practice road right near my house.

Twas part of the road, then they rerouted it and left a few hundred meters with no way to get to it, asside from riding across some grass etc to get to it.

hrrm sounds like you live in St Johns/GI!

[MSTRS]

well the question is for a number of situations.
Yes, one of them happens to be that there is a perfect peice of practice road right near my house.

Twas part of the road, then they rerouted it and left a few hundred meters with no way to get to it, asside from riding across some grass etc to get to it.

You've answered your own question....
The law describes a public road as anywhere a vehicle can access without having to go through a locked gate into a fenced off area. Essentially.

[janno]

But say you were doing your stunt practice and a copper sees you. Can he ticket you for illegally being on private land, considering it is no longer a "public" road?
Just because it's gummint owned doesn't mean it's public access.

And I'm sure they'd get you on something just to make a point. I really feel sorry for the guys and girls who want to practice their stunting - there seems to be nowhere to go. Same problem here in Aus.

[swbarnett]

But say you were doing your stunt practice and a copper sees you. Can he ticket you for illegally being on private land, considering it is no longer a "public" road?

But if you're not on a public road you are out of their jurisdiction as far as vehicle use goes. You could possibly be done for trespassing but that would require a complaint from the land owner I think. I was once told by a security guard in a railway marshalling yard (I was taking photos of old box cars) that if there's no sign saying "no trespassing" or the like I had nothing to worry about. I'm not sure if this is the law or just how it's treated by security guards.

[Winter]

Yeah, Thanks!

[scumdog]

You've answered your own question....
The law describes a public road as anywhere a vehicle can access without having to go through a locked gate into a fenced off area. Essentially.

Wot 'e sed.
Beach, public car-park, riverbank - you name it.

[Chrislost]

But say you were doing your stunt practice and a copper sees you. Can he ticket you for illegally being on private land, considering it is no longer a "public" road?
Just because it's gummint owned doesn't mean it's public access.

And I'm sure they'd get you on something just to make a point. I really feel sorry for the guys and girls who want to practice their stunting - there seems to be nowhere to go. Same problem here in Aus.

im pretty sure when the boyracer laws cam into affect a few years back(all that inpounding nonsence they started) they changed the law so you can be done on private land too.
somthing to do with people doing runners and hiding on provate land i thought but might pay to check it out

[Filterer]

I think you must be talking about College road?? I'm at work tonight so no doubt I will be at a job with the Mt Wellington police or Glen Innes STU, I will ask them eh.

Did you get an answer?

[slowpoke]

If a public road was closed wouldn't it just be a closed public road? My understanding would be that unless it's on private property then it's a public road, regardless of whether it has open access or not.

[Sanx]

You've answered your own question....
The law describes a public road as anywhere a vehicle can access without having to go through a locked gate into a fenced off area. Essentially.

Last trackday I went to, I could ride right onto the track without having to go through a locked gate (it was unlocked). Does that mean I should not do more than 100kph down the back straight at Taupo in case there's a cop with a laser gun? Come to think of it, my driveway is accessible from the road. Better make sure I wear my helmet when waddling the bike backwards out of the garage.</sarcasm>


well the question is for a number of situations.
Yes, one of them happens to be that there is a perfect peice of practice road right near my house.

Twas part of the road, then they rerouted it and left a few hundred meters with no way to get to it, asside from riding across some grass etc to get to it.

The fundamental principle underlining most legislation in this country is the principle of natural justice. Whilst the cops would certainly not hesitate in giving a ticket for playing around on such a piece of tarmac, I think you could reasonably claim that you were unaware this section of road did not form part of the highway network by dint of it not actually being connected to the rest of the country's roading network.

Having said all this, the Land Transport Act 1998 refers to 'roads'. The same act also sets down what it means by a 'road':

A street
A motorway
A beach
A place to which the public have access, whether as of right or not
All bridges, culverts, ferries, and fords forming part of a road or street or motorway, or a place referred to in paragraph (d)
All sites at which vehicles may be weighed for the purposes of this Act or any other enactment.According to point 4, you're screwed. Bascially, the entire surface area of New Zealand is a road.

[peasea]

I rode with a mate along the causeways of some southern hydro scheme a while back and the sign said 'Private Road' etc etc. from that we assumed that the usual road rules didn't apply so we rode without helmets for a while. What a blast!

Do I get my ticket now or later?

Funny how it's only $150 to ride without a lid but $200 for no/wrong paperwork. (Like no rego..)

Which is more unsafe?

[McJim]

Funny how it's only $150 to ride without a lid but $200 for no/wrong paperwork. (Like no rego..)

Which is more unsafe?

Aha - the latter represents a gap in Helens coffers which is far more serious and valuable than the life of anyone in this fair land!

[mbazza]

Having read all this it looks like we just have to be 'good' everywhere! Cheersw. :Punk: