I found the noob protection features on my bike! ('07 GPX250)

[delusionz]

Was just fuckin around with my bike so I thought I'd see if it had noob protection, It does!

When bike is in gear, starter button is disabled
When kill switch is on kill, starter button is disabled
When stand is down, trying to engage a gear will disable ignition (revs will drop to 0 and stall)

[slinky]

Was just fuckin around with my bike so I thought I'd see if it had noob protection, It does!

When bike is in gear, starter button is disabled
When kill switch is on kill, starter button is disabled
When stand is down, trying to engage a gear will disable ignition (revs will drop to 0 and stall)

then you'll be surprised to know i have those functions on my bike :D
cbr900rr

[Kflasher]

Now you know what not to do, it's just working on everything else that matters...
Good to see people play with their toys and learning before something real simple causes you to ring a bike shop and complain that your newly purchased bike is not working :innocent:

[xwhatsit]

That side-stand cutout thing would be a right pain in the tit. When coming up to traffic lights that I know won't trigger for me ordinarily late at night, while I'm coming to a stop, still doing 5-10kph or so, I flick the side stand down as I go over the sensors, then flick it back up again. If the engine cut out I'd be right pissed off.

What's the point of those things anyway? I know people can get daft with their killswitch once in a while, but really, are these things really necessary? They seem to fail more often than save your backside anyhow.

[Swoop]

That side-stand cutout thing would be a right pain in the tit.
What's the point of those things anyway?
The entry of nana state/osh, etc "saving you" from doing something stupid - like riding off with the side stand down. You only do that sort of thing once... believe me:whistle:

[delusionz]

That side-stand cutout thing would be a right pain in the tit. When coming up to traffic lights that I know won't trigger for me ordinarily late at night, while I'm coming to a stop, still doing 5-10kph or so, I flick the side stand down as I go over the sensors, then flick it back up again. If the engine cut out I'd be right pissed off.

What's the point of those things anyway? I know people can get daft with their killswitch once in a while, but really, are these things really necessary? They seem to fail more often than save your backside anyhow.

the stand can be down, but the clutch has to be in, or it has to be in neutral.

I like that or part. In the new Toyota Corolla Sportivo the clutch must be pressed down to start the engine, Regardless of whether it's in neutral or not.

[breakaway]

My starter motor will go when bike is running. Stater motor will go with the killswitch enabled. No sidestand switch.

Exact oppposite of Delusionz' bike :D

I almost rode off with my sidestand down once on my CBR400RR, luckily someone saw and warned me.

[xwhatsit]

The entry of nana state/osh, etc "saving you" from doing something stupid - like riding off with the side stand down. You only do that sort of thing once... believe me:whistle:

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>My side-stand has got a little rubber tab on it. The only person ever to ride off without stowing the side-stand (my father, surprisingly enough) found out as soon as he leaned left into a corner; the rubber tab grabbed and flicked up. No worries about ignition cut-outs or anything dangerous like that.

[Drum]

The entry of nana state/osh, etc "saving you" from doing something stupid - like riding off with the side stand down. You only do that sort of thing once... believe me:whistle:

Um, yeah. Only once. :whistle:

[avgas]

I flick the side stand down as I go over the sensors, then flick it back up again.
Why is this?
Leg not working? Sorry for asking but it doesn't seem very practical to me putting side stand down at the lights?

[Swoop]

Why is this?
Leg not working? Sorry for asking but it doesn't seem very practical to me putting side stand down at the lights?
The metal helps the induction loop detect the presence of a bike.

[yod]

Why is this?
Leg not working? Sorry for asking but it doesn't seem very practical to me putting side stand down at the lights?

traffic light sensors pick it up better

[xwhatsit]

Why is this?
Leg not working? Sorry for asking but it doesn't seem very practical to me putting side stand down at the lights?


The metal helps the induction loop detect the presence of a bike.


traffic light sensors pick it up better

Thank-you :) I couldn't quite figure out why I'd be putting the side-stand down to stop while still moving, either -- sounds like binning practice to me :lol:

I can't remember whether I wrote it or not, but I flick the side-stand back up before I come to a stop. I don't sit around with the thing sticking out.<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>

[delusionz]

I donno man, I had trouble setting off lights when I used to ride a 50cc scooter, Don't have that problem anymore, aslong as my wheels are lined up on the pad where the front right wheel of a car would normally be. Sometimes I even get priority over a car on another set of pads. On the scoot even if I did manage to activate the pads I never got the priority!

[avgas]

traffic light sensors pick it up better
Last time i checked the 80's CB250 wasnt exactly not-lacking in metal/steel department. Is the sensor this that much of an issue on these bikes? Only bikes i had issues with were alloy based.

[steved]

The metal helps the induction loop detect the presence of a bike.
I'm interested in hearing how moving the kick-stand results in increasing the chances of getting picked up by the sensor.

[xwhatsit]

I'm interested in hearing how moving the kick-stand results in increasing the chances of getting picked up by the sensor.

See other threads for details on this, it's been discussed thousands of times and I can't remember the exact reason; just spreads the electromagnetic field or something -- analogue electronics aren't my strong point. It works, or seems to work.

Anyway, off topic here. We've done traffic light sensors elsewhere, I'm bored with them and want to hear people argue about n00b protection devices:sunny:

[avgas]

Triumph u must pull in the brake to start, same with some scooters.

[avgas]

I'm interested in hearing how moving the kick-stand results in increasing the chances of getting picked up by the sensor.
All it does is put the metal closer to the road, 2 theory's of thought, either use a lot of metal, or move the metal closer.

[zeocen]

I have no such protection on my gpx 250
I guess it knows I'm badass to begin with and disabled it automagically !

[delusionz]

I have no such protection on my gpx 250
I guess it knows I'm badass to begin with and disabled it automagically !

What you doin today? come meet me I wanna compare bikes

[zeocen]

Check http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=53212
I'll be there most of the night, if not all. Though I'm absolutely shattered today but I'm always up for some ninja/gpx talking.. especially if there's a certain red zzr250 eaves dropping.

You'll be most welcome to come along, might learn a thing or two as well... I never do, but you might!

[bert_is_evil]

The 'ace has a noob protection device - if a noob tries to get on it it falls over and pins them down when they are overcome by the weight.
Sometimes it even works on non-noobs :whistle:

[TerminalAddict]

triumph you must pull in the CLUTCH :) at least on the daytona, and the sprint 1050

[Pancakes]

An induction loop will be most sensitive at about the same height as the pads are placed apart. Get a magnet, a piece of paper and some iron sand. Nuff said off topic.

Delusionz, If you find a fix for those forks diving maybe post a new thread, seems there's a few of those being sold and that diving seems a bit major.

[The Lone Rider]

Both my bikes have at least two of those functions

[Roj]

The metal helps the induction loop detect the presence of a bike.

The simple solution is to have a bike with enough metal in it to begin with:dodge:

[scumdog]

The entry of nana state/osh, etc "saving you" from doing something stupid - like riding off with the side stand down. You only do that sort of thing once... believe me:whistle:

Lies I tels ya, lies!

THREE times (On the same bike)

6:30am start, still dark, half awake, two right turns. onto the main street and first left curve - kachang! scraaaape, not turn, can't lean - aaargh! ah well just the old side stand still down.....again!:doh::stupid:

NOW I'm awake!!:yes:

Kill switch cuts out starter.

Dunno about the other features on the first post the Tequila Sunrise has.