Deviant Esq's first bin (14 July)

[Deviant Esq]

Well, I feel like a complete and utter pillock. Won't go into the very near miss and lucky save outside Bren's house...

Heading out towards Motukarara with OAB, bren_chch and a couple of others, riding along Old Tai Tapu Road and came to a left hander. This corner is not hard except you can't see through it and it's tighter at apex than it looks - not that that was the issue today. It had a bit of gravel and crud scattered here and there, and I entered it doing about 105km/h.

I don't know what the fuck I was thinking other than the fact that I probably wasn't concentrating on what I was doing... tried to slow down and sat up and the same time, locked the rear brake (this confused me because I've never managed to lock it in the past), fishtailed back and forth while still doing around 80km/h, got target fixation on the other side of the road, rode straight through the corner still sliding the rear back and forth all over the show (there was nothing coming the other way luckily) and lowsided unceremoniously in the grass and gravel on the opposite side of the road. Was probably doing about 60km/h by this stage. Missed a letterbox and driveway pillar by sliding between them.

I was wearing my full zip together leathers, jeans over the pants (for pockets for my phone and wallet, my leathers have no pockets), winter gloves and boots. And of course my helmet, which didn't impact the ground at all. I'm fine, other than very injured pride, I feel like I'm about a foot tall and made of sponge cake. Maybe a sore arse, left arm and left foot, and covered in dirt and mud, but otherwise fine. Very cross with myself and feel like a complete fool though.

The NZ250 isn't too much worse than me. Absolutely caked in muck, broken clutch lever right at the base, left rear indicator snapped clean off, busted up rear fairing and so forth, number plate all mangled, seat at a funny angle but still seems secure, and a damaged gear lever assembly. Insulation tape was applied to the rear plastics to hold the tail light (still complete) in place, and to the clutch lever to anchor it to the assembly by a guy on a BMW 1150 riding with us (I'm sorry, can't remember your name - Ben was it? But cheers mate), while bren, OAB and Andy on a ZXR750 flirted.

It's rideable but I can't select first gear because of the gear lever being pushed in. Rode to Tai Tapu service station with them following, all went fine, they carried on out to Akaroa. I turned around and rode the bike home, leaving a trail of dirt and crap behind me. No hurry but the bike held up just fine. Probably no point in claiming on insurance, most of it will be fairly easily fixable I suppose. I don't want to think about it at the moment. :bye:

[Rashika]

ya great big wally :dodge:

ah well guess ya done it now, had a bin... hope the bike fixes up ok. :rockon:

[thehollowmen]

Best wishes, glad to hear you're ok and damage is minor.

[Trudes]

Glad you're ok Rysie :hug:

[The Lone Rider]

Quick Ryan! Time to buy a cruiser! :P

Hopefully the crash wont put you off your new cruisey job haha :P

Rock on!

[inlinefour]

Well, I feel like a complete and utter pillock. Won't go into the very near miss and lucky save outside Bren's house...

Heading out towards Motukarara with OAB, bren_chch and a couple of others, riding along Old Tai Tapu Road and came to a left hander. This corner is not hard except you can't see through it and it's tighter at apex than it looks - not that that was the issue today. It had a bit of gravel and crud scattered here and there, and I entered it doing about 105km/h.

I don't know what the fuck I was thinking other than the fact that I probably wasn't concentrating on what I was doing... tried to slow down and sat up and the same time, locked the rear brake (this confused me because I've never managed to lock it in the past), fishtailed back and forth while still doing around 80km/h, got target fixation on the other side of the road, rode straight through the corner still sliding the rear back and forth all over the show (there was nothing coming the other way luckily) and lowsided unceremoniously in the grass and gravel on the opposite side of the road. Was probably doing about 60km/h by this stage. Missed a letterbox and driveway pillar by sliding between them.

I was wearing my full zip together leathers, jeans over the pants (for pockets for my phone and wallet, my leathers have no pockets), winter gloves and boots. And of course my helmet, which didn't impact the ground at all. I'm fine, other than very injured pride, I feel like I'm about a foot tall and made of sponge cake. Maybe a sore arse, left arm and left foot, and covered in dirt and mud, but otherwise fine. Very cross with myself and feel like a complete fool though.

The NZ250 isn't too much worse than me. Absolutely caked in muck, broken clutch lever right at the base, left rear indicator snapped clean off, busted up rear fairing and so forth, number plate all mangled, seat at a funny angle but still seems secure, and a damaged gear lever assembly. Insulation tape was applied to the rear plastics to hold the tail light (still complete) in place, and to the clutch lever to anchor it to the assembly by a guy on a BMW 1150 riding with us (I'm sorry, can't remember your name - Ben was it? But cheers mate), while bren, OAB and Andy on a ZXR750 flirted.

It's rideable but I can't select first gear because of the gear lever being pushed in. Rode to Tai Tapu service station with them following, all went fine, they carried on out to Akaroa. I turned around and rode the bike home, leaving a trail of dirt and crap behind me. No hurry but the bike held up just fine. Probably no point in claiming on insurance, most of it will be fairly easily fixable I suppose. I don't want to think about it at the moment. :bye:

Mate, it happens to us all. At least you ain't in the unit and the "mighty" NZ will live to fight another day. As someone said, shit happens. :shit:
P.S. Found the stylmartin boots last week. After this maybe you need them so I'll pull finger and send em down. Oh, er, can ya PM me ya address, fuck I'm slack...

[007XX]

Well, glad to know you're okay and that thanks to the wet weather of late, you had a lot of mud to cushion your tush...
You're a bloody lucky one though, I hope you know that!

I did the crossover from one lane to the other side of the road on a blind corner as well, and that is singularly the most frightening thing I ever did...

[j_redley]

I know exactly the corner you mean mate, been through it a couple week's ago when the shadow was cast across it and damn near scared the crap outta myself with the Ice combined with other crap on that road.

Now Im holding out for a nice day to hit it again, and hopefully a bigger bike.

[scumdog]

Quick Ryan! Time to buy a cruiser! :P

Hopefully the crash wont put you off your new cruisey job haha :P

Rock on!

Wot 'e sed.
Cruisers are slow ergo you won't crash eh?

[T.W.R]

:shutup: Could say, wont say, should say :yes:

Least your in one bit though thats the main thing :niceone:

[jrandom]

Nyahahahahaha! Deviant is a n00b, etc.

Anyway, look on the bright side. The best bin is a bin you can ride away from, and you did.

Don't let the experience make you too tentative. You know what you did wrong, you didn't bang your head and forget what happened, etc. It's all good.

Just promise us that next time, you'll get a cheek off the seat, tip the bike in harder, fix your steely gaze upon the exit point and grab a handful of throttle rather than brakes.

:Punk:

[shafty]

Bad luck Dude - could happen to anyone - don't beat yourself up "what is behind you, is not in front of you"

[sunhuntin]

bugger, mate!

there goes the disco mat training eh?

[Kendog]

Crap, stink and all those other words like that.

Glad you walked and then rode away.

[jafar]

Any bin you walk away from is a good one. Lucky there were no cages comming or the outcome could have been quite different:mellow:

[kiwifruit]

:(

coulda been worse!

[phoenixgtr]

Oh bugger. Not good mate!! At least you came out of it fine

[nudemetalz]

ah ya poor bugger, Redge.

Just remember, that lack of concentration could have been with a car pulling out in front of you. You wouldn't be here telling us about it.

Good to see the NZ lives to fight another day.

[Fat Tony]

Ryan, Ryan, Ryan... sorry to read about the spill mate but so glad to hear you got away lightly. It's so easy to get it wrong when the concentration levels drop a touch.

Next time... try to beat the natural survival reactions and do what jrandom says:



Just promise us that next time, you'll get a cheek off the seat, tip the bike in harder, fix your steely gaze upon the exit point and grab a handful of throttle rather than brakes.

Believe, believe, believe :lol:

[Bren_chch]

look after that helmet.... i may need to borrow it again! :whistle:

[Mom]

Lucky you are not too bent, and neither is the bike.........I think you have identified the problem yourself though...
"i tried to slow down and sat up and the same time"

Here is a bit of sage advice that I could not have put better, unless it was to be a bit more aware of surface conditions/speed, however,


Just promise us that next time, you'll get a cheek off the seat, tip the bike in harder, fix your steely gaze upon the exit point and grab a handful of throttle rather than brakes.

:Punk:

Oh and dont beat up on yourself mate, that was a good lesson learned.
:love: Mom

[Bren_chch]

Lucky you are not too bent

OAB decided that was debatable! :dodge:

[onearmedbandit]

No no, he said he was 'okay', I said that was debatable.


Oh yeah, on the same ride I hit a section of grit approaching a right hander on the hill, had to do a bit of off-roading but kept it upright. Then to top it off I got a flat rear tyre just out of Little River, spent over an hour waiting for a rescue vehicle (thanks guys) to pick me up.

[Mom]

OAB decided that was debatable! :dodge:

As I dont know this "gentleman" personally I cant really comment :shutup:

However the phrase that starts.......with friends like these....... springs to mind.....:killingme:killingme

[Bren_chch]

No no, he said he was 'okay', I said that was debatable.



is that your arse OAB?? mmm i'm seeing you in a completely new light!!


ok i am just saying what i THOUGHT i heard you say! :shutup:

[Mom]

No no, he said he was 'okay', I said that was debatable.




Dont you hate it when your words get all twisted like that........LOL

Personally I would never edit a persons quote to take the piss....:innocent:

[Deviant Esq]

Thanks for the support guys. I still feel like an utter pillock, as you do after these things I'm quickly learning... but I revisited the scene of the crash this afternoon on the way out to my partner's parents' place for tea... the corner is actually a bit sharper than I was thinking it was - it's actually rated as a 55km/h corner but several hundred meters before the corner, go figure... anyway I thought I was going too fast, especially given the condition of the road... but I think it's more a mental thing, a confidence thing. I know I should have just dived into the corner and not worried about the outside of it... but I didn't trust the road surface or my tyres enough.

I can't understand why I was locking the rear end up so much though - it's never done that in the past. I was able to keep the bike upright even when the rear was sliding every which where, but once I left the road surface, still leaning a little, onto wet grass and gravel... hardly any wonder I went over. Still, I bounced! I lay there for a minute without moving once I binned, just assessing whether I felt hurt or not, and upon deciding I wasn't I bounced back up again, righted the bike, and started assessing damage.

Don't worry about me - I'll be back! I appreciate the support though, thanks guys. Cheers Bren, Fraser, Andy, and the BMW dude, thanks for staying positive for me.

[Bren_chch]

all good... just make sure you learnt a lesson about riding. We should learn every time we ride... no need to feel like an "utter pillock" as we've all been there at some stage!

all good, glad u aint all fucked up from a mailbox post! see u out on the road again soon!

[86GSXR]

Very sorry to hear about your bin, it can ruin your day alright. Hope you're back out there soon!

[gijoe1313]

Ahh poopers... sorry to hear about your incident... good to know that you're with us and relatively okay! :yes: As we all know, bits and bikes can be replaced more easily than one of us! :sweatdrop

Glad to know you went back and revisited the place where you had your incident and worked back through the chain of events. I know when I get my little ol'hornet back on the road (hopefully tomorrow!) I'll be going back Raglan way and investigating my incident as well (and search for bits mebbe! :o)

Chin up, your asphalt angel was with you and make sure you keep doing good things so you can top up your karma levels again!

Oh yeah... piccies please? :innocent:

[Biff]

Glad you're ok dude. Lesson learnt, onwards and upwards etc.

:scooter:

[xwhatsit]

Oh shit man, sorry to hear that. It won't happen again though, so don't worry :D

Losing your concentration can really fark things up for you, you suddenly find yourself in the wrong position at the wrong speed and unprepared. That's the situations I tend to find myself clenching my arse about, it's rare I ride close enough to the limit to get myself into those situations with my wits still with me. I'm sure if you went into that corner again at 105kph all calm-like with it fore-planned you'd be quite happy about it.

The rear brake thing is funny. I assume it's a drum rear brake as well? I find with mine, at least, that it'll go right to the limit, but once it grabs, it seems to grab rather stickily and doesn't want to let go. So if you hit some gravel and it locked then (easy enough) it might have just stuck. Drum brakes are apparently prone to doing this, might be an elliptical drum or something mechanical, but probably just a heavy foot with gravel and panicked reactions.

No need to feel like a twat. None of us here (apart from me, of course) can ride like Hailwood anyway :D

[Nasty]

Does not sound like fun ... I am really glad you are ok ... the bike itself will live and that is good .. but its the you we can't replace :)

[Ghost_Bullet]

Sounds semi spectatcular and your a lucky bugger... :yes:

[xwhatsit]

Sounds semi spectatcular and your a lucky bugger... :yes:

Heheh, you're right you know, if you're going to crash (we're talking walk-away here) you might as well do it with some aplomb :lol: Crossed up across the road and just missing a mailbox -- where's the Youtube vid?

My crash, running wide on a corner, was nowhere near as exciting. I do however count my first bump start as spectacular :yes:<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>

[Kinje]

Stink one. Glad you could ride away from it. Lucky you or the bike didn't hit anything too hard. Hope the bike gets straightened out quick and you're back up and away.

[FruitLooPs]

Glad to hear you're sorted. I went for a ride today with the dude on the BMW 1100 to diamond harbour, sounds like you overcooked it a bit. I know I've done that on the RG when I first went riding out to akaroa.

Got overconfident, most of those corners you can fly round but the odd one isn't quite what the posted signage reckons (at least compared to ones with the same sign). On a 55 around there I froze after taking it wide, barely held it and rode the very edge of the road outside the white line lol. :shit:

Just gotta learn to not tense up, easier said than done though eh? I still do very occasionally, it seems so counter intuitive to apply throttle but you really do railroad straight on the brakes huh!


OAB sounds like he had some puckering up moments too. Glad he didn't bust up the purrdy gixxer. :yes:

[Spuds1234]

Glad your ok man.

I think everyone here as locked the rear brake at one point or another and have learnt from it. You unfortunatly had to learn a bit harder than most of us the first time around.

You probably wont do it again though (hell I had 2 crashes and 1 near miss in the same situation while locking the rear tyre before I learnt). Your probably smarter than me lol.

Best of luck getting the bike fixed and stay safe out on the road.

Next time you see me, toot your horn and wave or something. Its aways nice to see friendly cars on the road. You know the ones you dont have to worry about crashing into you.

[TygerTung]

G'day,

Good to see you had a crash, you have to have them every once in a while otherwise you're doing somthing wrong.

I crash all the time, crashed a couple of weeks ago testing out my front brake, and when a ten inch wheel locks up, you go down REALLY fast!

I reckon that your rear locking up could have somthing to do with that bauld as hard old rear tyre I was looking at when you came out to the track, it's ALWAYS worth it to have good tyres, I brought the best tyres I could get for my scooter, it's just worth it eh.

Good to see you arn't hurt, make sure you ALWAYs wear the proper gear so you don't get too munted when you bail off!:scooter:

[Kendog]

Good to see you had a crash, you have to have them every once in a while otherwise you're doing somthing wrong.
I think you have this completely backwards :crazy: If you crash you have done something wrong. Not crashing is a good thing.


I reckon that your rear locking up could have somthing to do with that bauld as hard old rear tyre I was looking at when you came out to the track, it's ALWAYS worth it to have good tyres, I brought the best tyres I could get for my scooter, it's just worth it eh.
Now that is good advice.

[Deviant Esq]

Yeah, I know, I've considered replacing that for a while now, it can't have helped... but it's more to do with the rear drum brake locking and refusing to unlock than the tyre. I'll probably include it in the list of things I'm going to give to the mechanics anyway though, when I ask for a quote on how much it'll cost to fix it up. I'd hoped to get away with not replacing it and it just lasting me until I got my full and sold the bike... maybe not! It'll help me the last few months of my restricted anyway since I refuse to ride like a nana! :bleh:

Ixion sent me a good PM loaded with information about drum brakes. Long story short, he says get it serviced and put new shoes in it, or it will lock up again should an emergency situation arise.

Now that I'm getting an idea of how much needs to be done to the bike I think an insurance claim might be necessary :(

Fork seals
Rear brake reconditioned
New rear tyre, old one is flat spotted
New clutch lever (may need to be after market)
New rear indicators
Rear plastics repaired / replacedAnyone got recommendations of who I should take it to, in Christchurch? I was going to use Trevor Pearce unless someone knows of someone better. I'm going to ride it whereever as it's still rideable, with the taped up clutch lever and all... :lol:

[The Lone Rider]

Want to see if I can get that lever welded back on for you? Better then tape!

[TygerTung]

I always find that KG motorcycle services is good, although he is a little bit slow due to him being very busy at all times.

[Chickadee]

Hey D

Glad to hear it wasn't a major injury senario.

Hope the fix-it bills not too steep.

Take care out there, at least you rode away from it as a wise person stated earlier.

Chickadee

[sels1]

Glad you're ok dude. Lesson learnt, onwards and upwards etc.

What he said. All part of the experience....

[onearmedbandit]

OAB sounds like he had some puckering up moments too. Glad he didn't bust up the purrdy gixxer. :yes:

Haha, yeah got to Little River, waited for the others to show up and the decision was made to attack the Akaroa Hill. I knew there could be grit on the road so took the first corner easy and found the road to be mint, well I thought so. Hit the next set of corners and still all good, got back on it for the next right hander and found myself approaching a grit covered corner, front slid and tucked but that was easily sorted. However I was rapidly running out of road to use to drop the bike in on so I had to find an escape path. I did luckily, up a bank and over a couple of decent humps coming to a stop a couple inches short of a fence. Kept it upright with no dramas, but lesson learned, the Hills in ChCh suck in winter. From there on in the fucking road was like it had been excavated, shit all round. We rode to the Hilltop tavern for a refresher, then back home.

However it didn't all end there. Just out of Little River I felt the bike moving around underneath me. I knew in the back of my mind what it could be but didn't want to entertain the idea. But two corners later I knew it was in shit, pulled over and sure enough the rear was going down rapidly. So I headed back to a rest stop and waited for the rest of the guys to go back to town to get a van to pick me up. Luckily I had some supplies with me! What a fucking day. Oh well, get a new back tyre out of it so if this weather holds up I'm out to scrub that in today.

[Deviant Esq]

Just to update you:

Had a chat to my insurance company who said it probably isn't a good idea to bother making a claim on it, since they will want to put it back to "new" and use new parts, which you can't get for the NZ250, hence, they would write it off. I don't want that to happen since it's an excellent wee bike and will do me nicely for the rest of my restricted, and another learner nicely after that, so I'll darned well just pay for it to be fixed myself. The bike is worth it... and I'd have needed to do the fork seals, rear brake, and rear tyre regardless, so not too much extra cost to do the rest.

Had a chat with Ian Templeton of Just Motorcycles this afternoon after work, who reassured me that it'd be no problem at all, we'll get her fixed up good as new. He went over the rough prices for what each part would cost, and it sounded perfectly reasonable to me. I'll be taking it in to him next Saturday (21st) and going from there. I'll make a new thread once it's all fixed, showing pics of before and after, and hopefully giving Ian a glowing reference to boot. ;)

[sunhuntin]

Just to update you:

;)

good man! i look forward to seeing the pics!

[Trudes]

Sounds good R. can I take it for a spin after it's all fixed and looking new, actually, that's probably a bad idea..., especially as you won't ride mine!!:innocent:

[Deviant Esq]

Sounds good R. can I take it for a spin after it's all fixed and looking new, actually, that's probably a bad idea..., especially as you won't ride mine!!:innocent:
Sure thing, you're welcome to take it for a spin once it's all shiny again, and I ride it up to Welly for the sheer hell of it! Actually, there's an idea, I'd be keen as on a "for the hell of it" trip once the weather's warmed up somewhat. You'd be welcome for a ride on the NZ (if you want one) once I come up there! :niceone:

Might have to change my tune about whether I want to take yours for a ride! :whistle:

[Fat Tony]

Nice one Ryan :) Shame that no deal could be struck with the insurers on a 'repair as best possible' rather than 'repair as new' kind of thing, but hey, that's what insurers are for... not paying out ;)

Looking forward to seeing the photos once it's all fettled :)

[Mom]

once it's all fettled


Odd people the poms........lol.......Nice to see you back posting mate!.......expect a small bit of ummmmmmm friendly shit when I happen to catch you here....:blip:

Cant wait till you get here, so I can visit you and REALLY give you..........love :dodge:

[Fat Tony]

Odd people the poms........lol.......Nice to see you back posting mate!.......expect a small bit of ummmmmmm friendly shit when I happen to catch you here....:blip:

Cant wait till you get here, so I can visit you and REALLY give you..........love :dodge:

Please, please, please tell me that 'fettling' doesn't have some weird sexual conotation in NZ?!?!

Ryan, just for the record, while it was great spending time with you while you were over here... I wouldn't ever 'fettle' you... clear? :lol:

Now then Mom... this love you're looking to give out ;)

It's nice to be able to post again. Life without a computer was getting unbearable :shit:

[Mom]

Please, please, please tell me that 'fettling' doesn't have some weird sexual conotation in NZ?!?!

Ryan, just for the record, while it was great spending time with you while you were over here... I wouldn't ever 'fettle' you... clear? :lol:

Now then Mom... this love you're looking to give out ;)

It's nice to be able to post again. Life without a computer was getting unbearable :shit:

It doesn't! We tease.......:dodge:

You are a contrary sort aint you T!.........LOL......tis great to see you back mate! Better if I could actually give you shit in person though...would be nice to be "fettled" and chilling with a wine for sure.....LOL

OK I will stop now.......not

[Trudes]

oww oww, I want to be fettled too!:mellow:

[Fat Tony]

oww oww, I want to be fettled too!:mellow:

It's fortunate then that I have two fettling hands :)

Anymore requestees will have to form an orderly queue. My feet aren't quite up to scratch with fettling yet (though I'll endeavour to address this in an intense training program this week)

I'm sensing a possible business venture here that could speed up our residency application ;)

Hmmmm... www.fettlingdownunder.co.nz

[nudemetalz]

Really pleased to hear the NZ is still going to be running and not written off.
Do progress pics for sure and post them here.

I had a great run out the the NZ250, they are an awesome bike and it's a pity that Suzuki never really updated and made newer models of them (well, I guess they did make a 250 version of the Goose).


Look after it, Redge !!!!!!!! :)

[terbang]

Ouch! Know the feeling...

[Paulus]

Anyone got recommendations of who I should take it to, in Christchurch? I was going to use Trevor Pearce unless someone knows of someone better. I'm going to ride it whereever as it's still rideable, with the taped up clutch lever and all... :lol:

Duane Brown at Duanes Bikes and Skis out in Sockburn. Best mechanic in town bar none.

[gijoe1313]

Oi vey! Sounds like the perfect excuse to wield a spanner and test your mettle with the fettle! Just remember to put the kettle on so you can have a nice cuppa char when its all said and done eh!

Yep, not much joy with them insurer peeps - but good to hear you still going to keep the old girl alive and kicking! :yes:

And riding for the 'ell of it? Heck, may just have to do that thing too! Now my little ol'Hornet is all happy again (I lie, just got back doing some k's to settle it back in! :woohoo:)

[Sniper]

Fuck man, thats not cool.

Glad you are ok and still kicking

[fireliv]

Hey Ryan

Tristan told me what happened....suck!!! Its always gutting when its something that you could have prevented. I'm sure Tris told you how pissed he was when his bike went down..... 3 weeks till it comes out for the shop.
The main thing is you are ok!

Good luck with the repairs!!

[Conquiztador]

that your mechanic can not find, feel free to contact me.

[TygerTung]

You could get the insurance to write it off then buy it back off them?

[Deviant Esq]

You could get the insurance to write it off then buy it back off them?
Could, but won't, because it's still a claim I'll have to disclose when I go for insurance on my bigger bike a little down the track - that will cost me in terms of premiums. It's also too much hassle in getting the bike reVINed, reWOFed and back on the road etc when I can in all probability get it fixed for less than the excess anyway.

[JWALKER]

sht man, just read about your bin.
that sux to hear, glad to hear your alright though.

[Bren_chch]

Duane Brown at Duanes Bikes and Skis out in Sockburn. Best mechanic in town bar none.

Agree!....