Temporary Streetstock tyre rule [Archive]

Billy

15th July 2007, 15:31

Racey Rider

15th July 2007, 17:35

and the'r refunding us all our expenses if it rains are they??

Streetstock riders have to learn how it handle the rain too!

Or should streetstock riders only learn to ride in the dry,
and then only when they move up to faster machinery,, suddenly experience Wet Race conditions! :shit:

Buddha#81

15th July 2007, 17:49

In an email recieved this morning by myself and approx 30 other people as I understand it.MNZ have decided to leave the rule as per pre July the 1st ie:grooved slicks may be used up until a final decision is made at the meeting in September BUT if a race meeting is declared wet then NO streetstock racing will take place.Hows that gonna work during the winter?

What the fark is our pinko lesbian, tree hugging, whale saving, PC world comming too. It might be a little dangerous to race in the dry too.......I actually saw someone crash once in dry conditions.

Tim 39

15th July 2007, 19:04

What the fark is our pinko lesbian, tree hugging, whale saving, PC world comming too. It might be a little dangerous to race in the dry too.......I actually saw someone crash once in dry conditions.

I second that, the only reason MNZ have made the ruling in the first place is because if someone gets hurt they'll get in the poo...comes back to the "everyones a criminal" thing where "there's no such thing as an accident its someones fault"

sAsLEX

15th July 2007, 21:57

I second that, the only reason MNZ have made the ruling in the first place is because if someone gets hurt they'll get in the poo...comes back to the "everyones a criminal" thing where "there's no such thing as an accident its someones fault"

Surely you sign indemnity waivers or whatever they are?

Sketchy_Racer

15th July 2007, 22:36

What the fark is our pinko lesbian, tree hugging, whale saving, PC world comming too. It might be a little dangerous to race in the dry too.......I actually saw someone crash once in dry conditions.

I third that!

How about people just look at the friggen evidence of the riders on slicks in the wet vs amount of crashes!

Screw those crappy grooves in tyres, they are totally over rated!

Tim 39

16th July 2007, 07:46

Surely you sign indemnity waivers or whatever they are?

yea you do but if someone gets hurt for as they see it, being because of an unsafe rule, then the likes of MNZ get in the poo for having that rule. If a rule isn't followed by a steward then they take it upon themselves if anything goes wrong

scott411

16th July 2007, 10:59

Surely you sign indemnity waivers or whatever they are?

they are not worth the paper they are written on, the police will ignore them and prosecute at will,

Meekey_Mouse

16th July 2007, 15:15

That totally sucks! I agree with what has been said, us noobs need to learn to ride in the wet and learn to make decisions while the consequences are relatively low.

It's no wonder why the confirmed list for Rnd 3 is so low!... Or is that still to be updated?

t3mp0r4ry nzr

16th July 2007, 16:00

It's no wonder why the confirmed list for Rnd 3 is so low!... Or is that still to be updated?

the list isnt up to date.

t3mp0r4ry nzr

16th July 2007, 16:16

In an email recieved this morning by myself and approx 30 other people as I understand it.MNZ have decided to leave the rule as per pre July the 1st ie:grooved slicks may be used up until a final decision is made at the meeting in September BUT if a race meeting is declared wet then NO streetstock racing will take place.Hows that gonna work during the winter?

I dont think anyone runs slicks in north island SS racing do they?

oyster

16th July 2007, 19:08

Sorry to say, but there are three versions, all quite different.
The one I'm sticking to, and I rang Johnny Hepburn Board Member, Road racing to confirm. On appeal from the riders the board have accepted that the consultative process has been "less than ideal" and there are a lot of errors and unresolved matters within the new rules. On top of that, the loose promise that MNZ would use their leadership position in the sport to secure a reliable and economic supply of Road Legal tyres, didn't happen. The official line is "it's best for the youngster to develop sponsorship relationships".
A local youngster here was quoted $400 plus fitting for a set. (NOT Pitlane, they're good guys for sure) Yep, another Tui ad line that one...
So there's a tyre shortage, and prices are through the roof. So for that reason alone their needs to be a transition period. The current rule allowing slicks (we voluntarily groove them) is extended to Sept 1st. On August 18th there will be a meeting here in Chch to discuss and agree on ALL matters. Final. Good.

oyster

16th July 2007, 19:20

If the experts along with their lawyers decide a slick with grooves is unsafe on a Streetstock bike, why is it safe on an FXR 150 Min Road Race? Or even a Young Junior Road Racer on F5 bike?
If this technical myth that says grooved slicks on slow, low powered bikes
with skinny rims are dangerous, will Min RR be next for Road Legal tyres only rules?
Miniature Road Race people, think about this and get your facts together
before some similar crappy rule turns up with a few days notice. (Yes, "Safety" rules can be changed in 5 minutes)

Big Chim

16th July 2007, 19:37

I dont think anyone runs slicks in north island SS racing do they?

I run GPR 70s and will prob run the newer dunlop now.

Yeah this suxs. Racing in the wet is where ya get ya skillz

Sparky Bills

17th July 2007, 12:00

Why use slicks on a streetstock bike!?:dodge:
Its not like they are going to run out of grip! TT900's and others are more than sufficient(sp?).

Then if it does rain, theres nothing to worry about.

Tim 39

17th July 2007, 15:38

Why use slicks on a streetstock bike!?:dodge:
Its not like they are going to run out of grip! TT900's and others are more than sufficient(sp?).

Then if it does rain, theres nothing to worry about.

grip isn't only required for power, these bike probably corner faster than most of the F3 bikes etc

Sketchy_Racer

18th July 2007, 18:01

Why use slicks on a streetstock bike!?:dodge:
Its not like they are going to run out of grip! TT900's and others are more than sufficient(sp?).

Then if it does rain, theres nothing to worry about.

One reason.

Entry level class.

young people with NO money..

Cheap second hand 125 slicks..

More than sufficient than a $600 set of TT900s

Common sense, YES

Sparky Bills

18th July 2007, 18:50

One reason.

Entry level class.

young people with NO money..

Cheap second hand 125 slicks..

More than sufficient than a $600 set of TT900s

Common sense, YES

Then dont use TT's, use another brand. Slicks are not needed for those bikes. Only create problems like the class is having now.

Sketchy_Racer

18th July 2007, 20:51

You give me an example of a race competent set or tyres under $150?

It's all about cost, and I know from experience, that the slicks are far far safer in the wet than say a tyre like a conti-city, or even an Pirelli MT-75 (I don't care how high ivan rates them!)

I know this from first hand experience.

oyster

19th July 2007, 12:52

Sparky, what problem did you have in mind? As far as we know, at least down here in the South, Streetstock has an excellent safety record, is producing good young riders and growing steadily. This is why the riders and supporters are puzzled. They feel there's nothing broken so why all the effort to fix it. The REAL worry is a change to the rules could easily make safety go backwards.
The official line is Slicks, even grooved ones are dangerous and illegal. So why are they legal and safe in Young Junior Road Race, Miniature Road Race and F3?

Ivan

19th July 2007, 18:47

I have heard that there is a new Conti tire out that is good.

Also Glen The MT75 does work you never crashed andwerealways the first 150 home,

Theres The Battle AX I think that fits??????

The TT900 expensive yes.

Theres alot of brands out there.

Sketchy_Racer

19th July 2007, 20:30

So i didnt crash,

Im still telling you that MT-75s are NOT a good tyre in the wet. very very poor wet grip. Ok in the dry.. but worse wet grip than a slick

Battleaxes are also very expensive, and the race compound ones are hard to find..

None of the current conti tyres are anywhere near what i would class as a safe race tyre!

Ivan

19th July 2007, 21:24

The Conti God is the new one apparently it good

speights_bud

25th July 2007, 20:30

I third that!

How about people just look at the friggen evidence of the riders on slicks in the wet vs amount of crashes!

Screw those crappy grooves in tyres, they are totally over rated!

Hahaha.... thinking a little differently now glen ;).

steveyb

29th July 2007, 22:30

Oh dear, 250 Production all over again.
Lowish cost, entry class with good bikes that one can race and race safely with little experience. GRP fairings and jetting, only changes allowed.
Oh, OK, now you can change the gearing.
Oh, OK, now you can use slick tyres and flash suspension.
Oh, OK, now you can change and tune the engine internals as long as it looks standard.
Oh, OK, now you can do what you like as long as it is not as fast as a 400cc F3 bike.
Oh, OK, now it is too dear for anyone to do, so the class is canned.

Stuck record? What change is next for Streetstock?

oyster

30th July 2007, 10:21

Steveyb
We're onto revision 14 so far this year (from MNZ), but where did you find this set of rules! Nothing like we've ever seen. Please tell us.
Ta

Sketchy_Racer

30th July 2007, 16:55

Hahaha.... thinking a little differently now glen ;).

Nope. my whoops had nothing to do with grooves (or lack of) It had to do with white paint and a brand new tyre :dodge:

speights_bud

30th July 2007, 20:53

i'll take yyer word for it ;) notthat i should say much with my first meeting on its way!! hehe jinxed myself now..

Tim 39

31st July 2007, 19:55

Nope. my whoops had nothing to do with grooves (or lack of) It had to do with white paint and a brand new tyre :dodge:

should've just stuck with your 3 year old knobblies with the tread cut off!
race tyres are just over rated:yes:

steveyb

31st July 2007, 20:44

Nah Pete, that was the 250 Proddy lifecycle. Would not be much fun to see Streetstock go down a similar route.

Cheers.
Steve.

oyster

1st August 2007, 10:46

Yep, your right Steveyb
Our current worry is that a lot of Streetstock riders will say "stuff these new rules" and just ride their 150's in F3, where they're perfectly eligible. Naturally this is a shame for Streetstock, and a disaster for F3, already with full grids at most club meetings. Having an extra 20 ex Streetstock bikes in there would not be good.
And the rules we submitted last year, were actually TIGHTER than the existing MNZ rules. Sounds odd, but if you "read up" it's true.