Nightmares

[Curious_AJ]

I've been having the weirdest nightmares lately... but sometimes they couldnt even be called nightmares exactly, but they're so disturbing that they make me wake up with shock, or wake up in the morning not feeling at all rested...

These dreams are the kind that haunt you way after and you don't want to sleep again for fear of having them... they reach deep into your soul and lodge themselves there... they're the kind that make you cringe whenever anything reminds you of them...

Nothing I've done seems to help, and i've ended up getting to sleep REALLy late (or early however you look at it)... I don't know what to do.. i think its starting to affect me in reality... my moods tend to be VERY tempramental (cant spell, too tired) its like they're going up and down with every minute ticking by.. and sometimes its just nothing but blank...

That's why I'm awake now... fear of my subconscious...

[Panther]

Maybe when you're asleep your boyfriend is whispering sweet nothings in your ear...telling you that "you are nothing..."

[Curious_AJ]

lol, he'd have to travel here and back every night to do so.

but yeah... *sigh*... I think I'm going to have to go try and get some sleep now.. uni on monday.. have to get into the routine...

[Deviant Esq]

There are some ways to help stop getting so many dreams (good or bad). Basically all to do with what time you go to bed, which foods and drinks you're consuming before you do go to bed, and how stressed you are. Avoid any soft drinks like Coke or anything with high sugar or caffeine - it makes your brain too active and if you can sleep you'll likely get dreams. Same with other high sugar or high energy things like ice cream. Don't eat them before bed! I'm told cheese isn't so good before bed either. If you're going to snack, have a piece of fruit.

It'll sound rich coming from me... but don't stay up late, go to bed early. If you stay up late and you've got on your mind that you need to get up early, it'll be on your mind, you'll be wound up about how little sleep you're going to get and end up sleeping less still. I know, been through it a lot and I still go to bed too late most of the time. Better than I was though.

If none of those things help after doing them consistantly for two weeks, sorry, I'm no further help. But it's worth a crack if it's affecting your life that much.

[007XX]

Hi AJ...mmmm, bad dreams eh?
Yes, we all get these at times.Most agree the brain will be trying to "vent" some frustration during the night, hence the subconscious activity while you're sleeping...

I get these mostly around the full moon...*and for all the smartasses out there, yes, I have really long claws and sprout all over with hair too, so BACK OFF...the bitch bites*:laugh:

Anyhoo...don't over think these dreams, as it'll cause you more stress and not make them go away. Try however to acertain whether there may be an easy answer as to why you are getting those dreams, and fix it or accept it if you can (it could be just stress of exams, or missing your man). Next, definitely what Deviant Esq said: watch you diet throughout the day and especially before bedtime.

there is an homeopathic product called " Rescue Remedy sleep" I have found to be very effective, available in most health shops, and doesn't even cost $30...give it a go, but make sure to take it religiously, as it won't make a change straight away. It builds up in you system over a couple of days....

Hope it helps, good luck.

[Deviant Esq]

there is an homeopathic product called " Rescue Remedy sleep" I have found to be very effective, available in most health shops, and doesn't even cost $30...give it a go, but make sure to take it religiously, as it won't make a change straight away. It builds up in you system over a couple of days....
Homeopathy :shutup: ... Don't get me started. Every single remedy is effectively diluted water, a little salt, and other odds and ends to make it taste and look different. Placebo only! You'd be better to be reliably informed that a glass of water before bed each night would work wonders, it would save you a lot of money otherwise spent on placebo only remedies.

[yungatart]

Umm, nightmares! One of our kids had night terrors as a little one...poor bugger was petrified.
Try some lavendar oil on the edge of your pillow..and make sure you don't have too many blankets on...overheating does strange things to your brain!

[007XX]

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Homeopathy :shutup: ... Don't get me started. Every single remedy is effectively diluted water, a little salt, and other odds and ends to make it taste and look different. Placebo only! You'd be better to be reliably informed that a glass of water before bed each night would work wonders, it would save you a lot of money otherwise spent on placebo only remedies.

Wooooowww...Easy little Horsey!:shit:

As much as everyone is entitled to an opinion (and I'll grant you yours very gladly), I'd have to disagree with you on this one....simply based on personnal experience, and maybe just a little education on the subject.

I'm afraid that I am of the stance that modern technology has placed us in a vicious "fantastic pills" circle, where a lot of people don't think they can survive without taking meds for as benign an ailment as a little cough...

HTFU is what I say and let's go back to basics...Countless generations of supposedly "less advanced" civilisations such as the aborigenes, or the tribes of Central America are still using plants for their wellbeing, and scientists are developping new lifesaving medications from their knowledge...

Placebo you say, I very respectfully disagree...But eh, it's a free country....

[Deviant Esq]

As much as everyone is entitled to an opinion (and I'll grant you yours very gladly), I'd have to disagree with you on this one....simply based on personnal experience, and maybe just a little education on the subject.

*snip*

Placebo you say, I very respectfully disagree...But eh, it's a free country....
Okay, at risk of taking this thread off topic, but since we're describing a potential remedy here...
I'd describe the principles it supposedly works on, but Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy) might give more credulance to the arguement:


Homeopathic treatment involves giving a patient with symptoms of an illness extremely small doses of the agents that produce the same symptoms in healthy people when exposed to larger quantities. A homeopathic remedy is prepared by diluting the substance in a series of steps. Many homeopathic remedies are so highly diluted that no molecules of the original substance are likely to remain after dilution.<sup id="_ref-2" class="reference">[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-2)</sup><sup id="_ref-3" class="reference">[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-3)</sup> Homeopathy asserts that the remedy will retain a memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_Memory) of the diluted substance and the therapeutic potency of a remedy can be increased by serial dilution combined with succussion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succussion), or vigorous shaking.

Since its inception homeopathy has received significant criticism on scientific and medical grounds. The belief that extreme dilution makes drugs more powerful by enhancing their "spirit-like medicinal powers"<sup id="_ref-4" class="reference">[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-4)</sup> is inconsistent with the laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecule) of chemistry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemistry) and physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physics) and the observed dose-response relationships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dose-response_relationship) of conventional drugs. Several pro-homeopathic articles published in highly regarded journals were later withdrawn.<sup id="_ref-5" class="reference">[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-5)</sup> Additionally, the use of homeopathic drugs to prevent malaria infection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaria) has had life-threatening consequences.<sup id="_ref-6" class="reference">[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-6)</sup><sup id="_ref-7" class="reference">[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-7)</sup> Consequently, critics of homeopathy have described it as pseudoscience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscience)<sup id="_ref-8" class="reference">[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#_note-8)</sup> and quackery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery).
That pretty much describes what I think of it.

[Street Gerbil]

I guess it is just the way it is. We all have our deeply hidden insecurities that manifest themselves when our mental defenses are down.
My favorite ones are:
a) I am sitting an exam on some ridiculous discipline and have no idea how to answer a single question. It hasn't recurred since I went back to school.
b) My motorcycle gets stolen/destroyed. For some reason I never had a nightmare about something happening to my car. Perhaps I don't care about it as much.
c) My employer or customer goes belly up.
d) Volcanic eruption (This one worsened in NZ since now I actually live right next to a volcano).
e) My pet gerbils are hurt. This is the most ridiculous one, because they have all died of good old age years ago.

[007XX]

Okay, at risk of taking this thread off topic, but since we're describing a potential remedy here...
I'd describe the principles it supposedly works on, but Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy) might give more credulance to the arguement:


That pretty much describes what I think of it.

And you will try to convince me that this is an unbiaised take on it??? Invalid in my view as whoever wrote this obviously was prejudiced on the subject...

But anywallyhoo...(sorry AJ, but I need to calrify this one for a moment), I NEVER implied that homeopathy should replace entirely modern medecine:nono:

For more major ailments, such as malaria, of course a more aggressive course of action is to be prescribed...but c'mon, for lack of sleep??? whats your advice honnestly: start taking sleeping pills...?

One thought for you: homeopathy is not addictive....

I just think that some things are better tended to with a gentler hand, by encouraging the natural body's abilities to heal/sort itself out...

[Deviant Esq]

...the tribes of Central America are still using plants for their wellbeing...
Herbs are entirely different and unrelated to Homeopathy. We all know that plants can do some pretty powerful things to the human body and mind (Cannibis, Opium anybody?). I'm not discounting herbal remedies - though I have my suspicions about their production in over the counter bottles - just Homeopathy.


And you will try to convince me that this is an unbiaised take on it??? Invalid in my view as whoever wrote this obviously was prejudiced on the subject...
There's no point in even arguing with this. If you're going to decry a source of information as potentially false because "someone wrote it", then that throws doubt upon anything written because it's opinion. No, I never gave you any impression that it was biassed or unbiassed, but if you read the passage carefully, it is without bias or opinion on the part of the writer, sources are quoted in what they think of it, not the writer.


...c'mon, for lack of sleep??? whats your advice honnestly: start taking sleeping pills...?
My advice is listed in my post above - post number 4. Sleeping pills are quite bad for you in the long term, I'd never recommend those unless in a short term situation. I've had my own problems with sleep too, so it's something I've researched.


I just think that some things are better tended to with a gentler hand, by encouraging the natural body's abilities to heal/sort itself out...
Perfectly reasonable, but it's scientificially disproven that Homeopathy does anything to assist the body other than the placebo effect. Homeopathy "works" because happily for the remedy, "most people naturally get over most things eventually anyway." If that person takes a homeopathic remedy, then gets well... wayhey, it must've been the remedy!! Err... nup.

We can agree to disagree, if it works for you, wonderful, I'm not telling you not to take it - just giving you the information on the ideas behind it. I would not recommend it - I call it a waste of money.

[007XX]

We can agree to disagree, if it works for you, wonderful, I'm not telling you not to take it - just giving you the information on the ideas behind it. I would not recommend it - I call it a waste of money.[/QUOTE]

Right you...next time I'm in Christchurch, pub! LOL
This conversation is best be continued in an environment with consumption of plant based and fermented solution...Whiskey!!!

[Deviant Esq]

Right you...next time I'm in Christchurch, pub! LOL
This conversation is best be continued in an environment with consumption of plant based and fermented solution...Whiskey!!!
Hear hear! You're on. :drinkup: :sherlock: :blip:
Flip me a PM if you're ever headed down this way. Are you down here regularly... do you have any reason to be down here? Could be waiting a while otherwise! :lol:
Err, anyway, back on topic. Yes, um, nightmares. Hell of a problem, that. Lack of sleep too. Um, yes, very bad... Fuck it, run!! *Deviant shaped cloud*

[Sniper]

Im used to take sleeping tablets to help me get at least 3 or 4 hours sleep a night because of certain things I went and was going through.

All of the above are helpful suggestions, take from each and trail and see what works. Stress is a big factor in not sleeping, so make sure you check that out.

Failing that, heres a picture that was sent to me by a friend when I was having a really bad day. At the time it wasnt funny, now I chuckle everytime I see it.

[moT]

I've been having the weirdest nightmares lately... but sometimes they couldnt even be called nightmares exactly, but they're so disturbing that they make me wake up with shock, or wake up in the morning not feeling at all rested...

These dreams are the kind that haunt you way after and you don't want to sleep again for fear of having them... they reach deep into your soul and lodge themselves there... they're the kind that make you cringe whenever anything reminds you of them...

Nothing I've done seems to help, and i've ended up getting to sleep REALLy late (or early however you look at it)... I don't know what to do.. i think its starting to affect me in reality... my moods tend to be VERY tempramental (cant spell, too tired) its like they're going up and down with every minute ticking by.. and sometimes its just nothing but blank...

That's why I'm awake now... fear of my subconscious...

STOP EATING CHEESE!! YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WHENEVER YOU EAT CHEESE IT GIVES YOU WERD DREAMS OR NIGHTMARES!! YOUR BODY MAY BECOME A BIT EUPHORIC WHEN YOUR PROCESSING IT WHEN YOUR SLEEPING. I DONT KNOW BUT ITS CHEESE THAT DOES IT! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME TRY IT EAT A SMALL BLOCK OF CHEESE BEFORE BED!

[007XX]

Im used to take sleeping tablets to help me get at least 3 or 4 hours sleep a night because of certain things I went and was going through.

All of the above are helpful suggestions, take from each and trail and see what works. Stress is a big factor in not sleeping, so make sure you check that out.

Failing that, heres a picture that was sent to me by a friend when I was having a really bad day. At the time it wasnt funny, now I chuckle everytime I see it.

LOL...go chopper...there is also a video going with that pic...very funny!

and sorry to hear about the fact that you HAVE to use pills. I bet if you could do without, you would.

[007XX]

Hear hear! You're on. :drinkup: :sherlock: :blip:
Flip me a PM if you're ever headed down this way. Are you down here regularly... do you have any reason to be down here? Could be waiting a while otherwise! :lol:
Err, anyway, back on topic. Yes, um, nightmares. Hell of a problem, that. Lack of sleep too. Um, yes, very bad... Fuck it, run!! *Deviant shaped cloud*

Yeah, I'll be downthere fairly soon...sales trip (yuk!)...Oh, don't worry, I'll PM you, this discussion is NOT over...:laugh:

Oh, and btw...for that bruising of yours, you may want to try Arnica...I know it's homeopathy, but eh, just humour me for a minute and you might be surprised!!
*funnily enough...it's plant based, just like every other homeopathic remedies*

Ok I'll shut the F&&k up now....Love you all!

[Sniper]

and sorry to hear about the fact that you HAVE to use pills. I bet if you could do without, you would.

I only went onto sleeping tabs because after 3 months of only 2 to 3 hours sleep a night, you start feeling really run down. Staying awake for 5 days in a row has nothing on how drained you feel.

I've come off them now and only use them to try get my body back into a pattern of bed at 11 to 1am and up at 5.

[007XX]

I only went onto sleeping tabs because after 3 months of only 2 to 3 hours sleep a night, you start feeling really run down. Staying awake for 5 days in a row has nothing on how drained you feel.

I've come off them now and only use them to try get my body back into a pattern of bed at 11 to 1am and up at 5.

Jeepers, I bet you'd feel run down! To me, sleep deprivation would be one of the worst things to go through...I had a bit of that when my son was born and was breastfeeding every 2 hours right through til he was 8 months of age...as the ex was never around to help and I had no family to fall back onto, sleep deprivation and post natal depression got the best of me...

Great news thta you are now able to use them just to regulate your body clock.

[Maha]

Sex! Has nobody touched on the subject yet?..and speaking of touching, if the Jones boy aint around to insert a 'calmdown tablet' there are other ways to reach that totally satisfied zone AJ!..... its all ya need really....ps: no charge....:innocent:

[007XX]

Sex! Has nobody touched on the subject yet?..and speaking of touching, if the Jones boy aint around to insert a 'calmdown tablet' there are other ways to reach that totally satisfied zone AJ!..... its all ya need really....ps: no charge....:innocent:

Finally, some irreverent lude comments again...Go Maha-man:Punk:

[Maha]

Finally, some irreverent lude comments again...Go Maha-man:Punk:

Yeah flick the bead if it helps....im sure it will.....:shit:

[Sniper]

STOP EATING CHEESE!! YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WHENEVER YOU EAT CHEESE IT GIVES YOU WERD DREAMS OR NIGHTMARES!! YOUR BODY MAY BECOME A BIT EUPHORIC WHEN YOUR PROCESSING IT WHEN YOUR SLEEPING. I DONT KNOW BUT ITS CHEESE THAT DOES IT! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME TRY IT EAT A SMALL BLOCK OF CHEESE BEFORE BED!

To be perfectly blunt... You are a fucken moron.

Where do you get that from?

[007XX]

Yeah flick the bead if it helps....im sure it will.....:shit:

and you'd be quite correct...:shutup::shutup:

[Mom]

and you'd be quite correct...:shutup::shutup:

Maha man is much more polite than me, i was going to say.....
Have a wank..:D

[007XX]

Maha man is much more polite than me, i was going to say.....
Have a wank..:D

Oh, I likey your style lots!!....Bling sent:Punk:

[Deviant Esq]

To be perfectly blunt... You are a fucken moron.

Where do you get that from?
Don't disagree with your first statement...... ehe... but it's long been believed by a good many people that cheese does cause those effects. Fairly recently addressed and subsequently disproven, but it's a grey area. One of the ingrediants that's used to make cheese, once broken down in digestion, has opiate in it, which can cause funny side effects in some people.

Wikipedia's take:

A study by the British Cheese Board in 2005 to determine the effect of cheese upon sleep and dreaming discovered that, contrary to the idea that cheese commonly causes nightmares, the effect of cheese upon sleep was positive. The majority of the two hundred people tested over a fortnight claimed beneficial results from consuming cheeses before going to bed, the cheese promoting good sleep. Six cheeses were tested and the findings were that the dreams produced were specific to the type of cheese. None was found to induce nightmares. However, the six cheeses were all British. The results might be entirely different if a wider range of cheeses were tested.

[Deviant Esq]

Maha man is much more polite than me, i was going to say.....
Have a wank..:D
If you insist... :innocent: :devil2:

[moT]

To be perfectly blunt... You are a fucken moron.

Where do you get that from?

Well there ya go.. Not so much of a moron now am i. Now would you please take back that statement.

[moT]

To be perfectly blunt... You are a fucken moron.

Where do you get that from?

and i came to that conclustion my self after studying my eating habbits and dreams

[Sniper]

Well there ya go.. Not so much of a moron now am i. Now would you please take back that statement.

Read the whole of the post.


and i came to that conclustion my self after studying my eating habbits and dreams

Why would you do that?

[moT]

i have read the whole post it sais to eat cheese as it promotes sleeping and that it does give you weird dreams not nightmares but look who did the study dont you think they will be bias?

and i just put the 2 together and i came to realise when i ate cheese it gave me weird dreams or nightmares

[Curious_AJ]

hey guys.. wow.. this thread has taken off more than i had imagined it would!! 3 pages... far out... i had to read all of that too!!

as for the herbals etc... well ive tried that, it has failed... and as for the wank... also tried but failed :p im not at easily placated (sp) as some might be...

in this sleep deprived state in which i am right now, it was hard to process everything that youguys said, be a whole lot of it VERY off the subject lol...

stress could be a factor.. if i could get my life in order and get a job somewhere i think it'd calm down a bit... and also i got my restricted (cage) comming up this week friday (though the dreams have been here for MONTHS) so yeah, i dunno, maybe i should try meditation? i use those chinese health ball thingies regularely (my family get sick of the bells) but those only seem to help with my bad circulation to my hands and nothing else...

i guess i just have to see what happens when i go back to uni tomorrow as well, see if they get worse or what... in the holidays i have found the dreams to be more persistant as i have had nothing to do during the day to occupy my mind i guess (and have been going to bed extremely late, not that i could help it)

all the stuff that's been said has helped in some way, be it giving me chuckles, or good advice... i'm thinking of asking around about sleeping pills though... i need something to knock me out cold as per say...

[0arbreaka]

You could try smoking weed, seems to get my brother off to sleep without a problem, mind you he consumes every morsal of food left in the house afterwards. It may or may not help with the dreams, cant say.

[Swoop]

I had a weird dream the other night. I was eating a three pound marshmallow!
What was really weird is that I cannot find one of my pillows...


One thing that might assist, AJ, is reading a book before bedtime. It relaxes the brain and allows it to focus on one thing (maybe/possibly/sometimes - I ain't no trick-cyclist).

DON'T get Indy to read you a bedtime story!

[Curious_AJ]

I had a weird dream the other night. I was eating a three pound marshmallow!
What was really weird is that I cannot find one of my pillows...


One thing that might assist, AJ, is reading a book before bedtime. It relaxes the brain and allows it to focus on one thing (maybe/possibly/sometimes - I ain't no trick-cyclist).

DON'T get Indy to read you a bedtime story!

I always read before bed, hehe.. been doing it ever since i could read! I love books.. but yeah, seeming as i'm so used to it, it doesn't do anything to help me sleep... i stay awake for ages, and then near the time that i'm supposed to wake up, i have the dreams usually, or after about an hour of sleep...

[SARGE]

I've been having the weirdest nightmares lately... but sometimes they couldnt even be called nightmares exactly, but they're so disturbing that they make me wake up with shock, or wake up in the morning not feeling at all rested...

These dreams are the kind that haunt you way after and you don't want to sleep again for fear of having them... they reach deep into your soul and lodge themselves there... they're the kind that make you cringe whenever anything reminds you of them...

Nothing I've done seems to help, and i've ended up getting to sleep REALLy late (or early however you look at it)... I don't know what to do.. i think its starting to affect me in reality... my moods tend to be VERY tempramental (cant spell, too tired) its like they're going up and down with every minute ticking by.. and sometimes its just nothing but blank...

That's why I'm awake now... fear of my subconscious...




welcome to MY world

[BIGBOSSMAN]

One, Two Freddy's coming for you,
Three, Four, better lock your door,
Five, Six, grab your crucifix,
Seven, Eight, gonna stay up late,
Nine, Ten never sleep again.

[Curious_AJ]

that's not very nice... chuckled a bit though... but still.. not being able to sleep and having nightmares isn't funny!

[klingon]

Interesting reading...

Over several years I have suffered along similar lines - nightmares, scared to go to sleep etc.

I agree with everything Deviant has to say except the Rescue Remedy. I find Rescue Remedy really helps me, and my Dad has just had it suggested to him by his doctor - the same doctor who prescribed sleeping pills and anti-depressants. Conventional medicine and 'alternative' meds are not mutually exclusive. (Some would say that the drugs are the alternative, and herbal options are the conventional ones... that's a debate for a whole other time and place.)

By the way, I find bananas are the best fruit to eat before bed,and a warm, milky drink (but nothing with cocoa in it). Also don't drink it too close to bed time or you'll have to get up and pee!

I also find I get nightmares if I eat cheese late at night. It wasn't something I read about or heard about - it was something I experienced repeatedly and then worked out the connection. Maybe it doesn't happen to other people. It happens to me.

Also consider having counselling. A lot of Unis have a cheap or free counselling service - ask the campus doctor. A good counsellor can suggest methods for dealing with whatever underlying issues may be causing the nightmares. Obviously they can't make the cause disappear, but they can help you discover ways to handle your stress better, and get that essential sleep!

Good luck. I feel for you.

[BIGBOSSMAN]

that's not very nice... chuckled a bit though... but still.. not being able to sleep and having nightmares isn't funny!

Sorry, the deviant humour within me had to be 'released'!
When I was a kid I was a sleepwalker, and once found myself across the road from my parents house, over a 1.8m fence and half way up a tree screaming my head off. I've had various sleep problems since including insomnia, but probably the worst of them all was a few episodes of Sleep Paralysis. Basically I woke up unable to move and saw a large moving dark mass on the ceiling, I was unable to make a noise as this 'thing' got closer and closer. Really fucking terrifying, especially to a 10 year old kid. Weird as fuck man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

[007XX]

that's not very nice... chuckled a bit though... but still.. not being able to sleep and having nightmares isn't funny!

hey, what about exercise??? you say you got nothing to do during the day at the moment, so why not go swimming at the pool, or if the cost is a bother, go for a run...

Exercise will do all sorts of good things to your internal body clock, just don't do it any closer than 3 hours before bedtime...

It relieves from stress also...

[0arbreaka]

Ive got the perfect exercise for you, it involves rowing on a concept2 rowing machine at a consistant pace for an hour every day, I train to a specific heart rate and keep it within a specific hr range. This way youll be too tired to stay awake and you'll get really fit as well. Also the high level of fitness in which you will atain will cause youre brain to release endorphins into your bloodstream inturn making you feel good about yourself, its kind of the same as when you eat chocolate and you feel good afterwards, except you dont get fat. Rowing, being a mainly cardio based sport will eventually give you a strong heart as well.

[Mr. Peanut]

Sorry, the deviant humour within me had to be 'released'!
When I was a kid I was a sleepwalker, and once found myself across the road from my parents house, over a 1.8m fence and half way up a tree screaming my head off. I've had various sleep problems since including insomnia, but probably the worst of them all was a few episodes of Sleep Paralysis. Basically I woke up unable to move and saw a large moving dark mass on the ceiling, I was unable to make a noise as this 'thing' got closer and closer. Really fucking terrifying, especially to a 10 year old kid. Weird as fuck man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

Whenever I got a fever, and a few times recently I've had terrible nightmares. So symbolic though. I can never remember them, but sometimes I'll feel them.

It's like death.

[Panther]

I recommend a dream book. A written account.

[howdamnhard]

Your dreams/nightmares are often an outworking by your subconscious of problems/events occuring during during your day to day life.Whats changed ,are there any new stressors in your life?See if you can identify and deal with them.Get help/support if you can't sort them out by yourself(no shame in asking for/getting help).
Also make sure you are comfortable before going to bed,eat at least 3 hours and drink 2 hrs before (otherwise your stomach will still be trying to digest food and you will probably wake up in the middle of the night needing a pitstop).Being to hot or cold cause bad sleep.Use an oil heater(silent , just make sure you have a smoke alarm to for peace of mind) in winter to keep the temperature even.About placebos if it makes you happy and works,who cares use it.
I've used sleeping tablets before,they knock you out for 4 hrs and then your awake again.Not very good quality sleep.
Goodluck I hope some of this helps,I'm no expert.:yes:



I've been having the weirdest nightmares lately... but sometimes they couldnt even be called nightmares exactly, but they're so disturbing that they make me wake up with shock, or wake up in the morning not feeling at all rested...

These dreams are the kind that haunt you way after and you don't want to sleep again for fear of having them... they reach deep into your soul and lodge themselves there... they're the kind that make you cringe whenever anything reminds you of them...

Nothing I've done seems to help, and i've ended up getting to sleep REALLy late (or early however you look at it)... I don't know what to do.. i think its starting to affect me in reality... my moods tend to be VERY tempramental (cant spell, too tired) its like they're going up and down with every minute ticking by.. and sometimes its just nothing but blank...

That's why I'm awake now... fear of my subconscious...

[howdamnhard]

Oh yes and exercise is good for you to just do'nt do it too close to bed time.Along hot bath can also be relaxing and beneficial.:yes:

[SARGE]

Herbs are entirely different and unrelated to Homeopathy. We all know that plants can do some pretty powerful things to the human body and mind (Cannibis, Opium anybody?).


hops, barley..



There's no point in even arguing with this. If you're going to decry a source of information as potentially false because "someone wrote it", then that throws doubt upon anything written because it's opinion. No, I never gave you any impression that it was biassed or unbiassed, but if you read the passage carefully, it is without bias or opinion on the part of the writer, sources are quoted in what they think of it, not the writer.



but.. its on the interdweeb.. it MUST be true

[Dilligaf]

but.. its on the interdweeb.. it MUST be true

Hahaha SO true.

Listen, Wiki is good for learning new slang, but serious matters? Come on! It's a peer sourced website - anyone can be a contributor to that. Think that most internet users are qualified to write an encyclopaedia??

[Hitcher]

there is an homeopathic product called " Rescue Remedy sleep" I have found to be very effective, available in most health shops, and doesn't even cost $30...give it a go, but make sure to take it religiously, as it won't make a change straight away. It builds up in you system over a couple of days

Homoeopathic remedies taken religiously? And $30 is a lot to pay for a few ml of distilled water.

[007XX]

Homoeopathic remedies taken religiously? And $30 is a lot to pay for a few ml of distilled water.

You been spending time with Deviant Esq, or are you just not reading the whole thread, Dear??:innocent:

this argument was "heatedly" carried out in earlier posts...

[Hitcher]

You been spending time with Deviant Esq, or are you just not reading the whole thread, Dear??

this argument was "heatedly" carried out in earlier posts...

It's always nice to see somebody interested in the Dark Art of Sarcasm. C-.

I don't recall reading any discussion of the "merits" of homoeopathic remedies in this thread, heated or otherwise.

[007XX]

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Homeopathy :shutup: ... Don't get me started. Every single remedy is effectively diluted water, a little salt, and other odds and ends to make it taste and look different. Placebo only! You'd be better to be reliably informed that a glass of water before bed each night would work wonders, it would save you a lot of money otherwise spent on placebo only remedies.


Wooooowww...Easy little Horsey!:shit:

As much as everyone is entitled to an opinion (and I'll grant you yours very gladly), I'd have to disagree with you on this one....simply based on personnal experience, and maybe just a little education on the subject.

I'm afraid that I am of the stance that modern technology has placed us in a vicious "fantastic pills" circle, where a lot of people don't think they can survive without taking meds for as benign an ailment as a little cough...

HTFU is what I say and let's go back to basics...Countless generations of supposedly "less advanced" civilisations such as the aborigenes, or the tribes of Central America are still using plants for their wellbeing, and scientists are developping new lifesaving medications from their knowledge...

Placebo you say, I very respectfully disagree...But eh, it's a free country....


It's always nice to see somebody interested in the Dark Art of Sarcasm. C-.

I don't recall reading any discussion of the "merits" of homoeopathic remedies in this thread, heated or otherwise.

I definitely agree with the fact that sarcasm is an art...:yes: as dark as it may be...

As far as heated debate, we kind of stopped out of respect for the thread and for the Mods and everyone else, but trust me that discussion got argued at length later on and will keep going I think... Deviant Esq and amicably enough do not see eye to eye on this one...

All in good fun though...

[vifferman]

Are you taking anything for depression, AJ?

One of the things that has a marked effect on your sleep patterns and dreaming is the serotonin levels in your brain. Some of the antidepressants I've been on made it harder for me to get to sleep, and some made it easier, especially if I took them at the appropriate time.
Some of the antidepressants made me have really vivid dreams, and because I remembered them, they made me feel like I was going mad, as I'd have all these 'memories' of weird shit during the day. I knew they weren't real, yet because they were more like memories of actual experiences, they affected my emotions the way real memories would. It got so I dreaded going to bed, and stayed up as late as I could. And of course, poor quality/quantity sleep made me feel bad anyway, so it was somewhat of a vicious circle.

HolyPharkinCrap! :shit: (excuse me...)
I googled "serotonin REM sleep" to find some useful stuff to chuck at you (so you wouldn't think I was an arse of dumbness) and turned up this:
http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/pinealstory.htm

I'm... :gob:

I'll have to do some more reading when I've recovered, and get back to you....

[Guitana]

I had a really bad nightmare I dreamt I was married with two kids and a nagging wife!!!!!

I still havent woken up from it!!!!!!!!

[Hitcher]

I dreamt I'd logged into this, like, motorcycle web site and couldn't log out.

[007XX]

I had a really bad nightmare I dreamt I was married with two kids and a nagging wife!!!!!

I still havent woken up from it!!!!!!!!


I dreamt I'd logged into this, like, motorcycle web site and couldn't log out.

You two seriously need to consider taking the red pill next time...RED, I tell you!:laugh:

[Skyryder]

I've had a few nightmares. Had a few daymares too; some of the ones I woke up next to. Mind you, both are better than wet dreams. :love:

Skyyrder

[KATWYN]

I had a really bad nightmare I dreamt I was married with two kids and a nagging wife!!!!!

I still havent woken up from it!!!!!!!!

I wonder what her nightmare is

[vifferman]

Thanx for this thread; after months of reasonable dreams, I had a friggin nightmare last night, one of those vivid ones that has afterimages all day.:(

[Indiana_Jones]

I'll hug all the scared people :)

-Indy

[Hitcher]

I'll hug all the scared people

Run to the hills, run for your lives.

[Skyryder]

Run to the hills, run for your lives.

They're coming from the hills.

Run the other way.


Skyryder

[Curious_AJ]

well, read some more really interesting stuff (after being too stuffed to get on here last night due to no sleep the night before and 8 and a half hours of uni *supplemented with 3 hours on the bus in total to get to and from uni*)

first, I'm not on anything fro depression, funnily enough... dont really want antidepressants as it would probably screw me over even more! haha... and for the preventing sleep thing... further proof not to take them...

funnily enough though, last night i slept for 11 hours straight!! i was quite proud of myself... went to bed at 10pm woke up at 9am (would have been 6am if i had the labs i was ment to today, but thank goodness i only had to start at 1pm *meaning i had to leave the house at 11.30 mind you*) so that was good, and no dreams that i can remember _b yay!

tonight may be a different story though, i have a feeling that because i have to wake up early murphey's law will work against me.... ill try not to think about having to wake up though, that usually makes it harder to sleep...

I guess starting uni and having something to do (no matter how much i dread it) during the day has put me in a better mood, seeming as i get bored rather easily and tend to get depressed when i have too much time to think. Maybe it will help me sleep, but we'll see once i get into my routine again...

i guess i do have a few irrational fears maybe that could be playign out in my dreams though i dont see a connection between them... for instance, the other night i had a nightmare about being in a seaside holiday resort in Miami, and being chased by swarms of bees and men in suits who wanted to rape me then chop me up and put me into a freezer... along with this, some of the men were zombies... really confusing... and i have NO idea how it relates to anything!!

One thing i have to calm myself for though,is my driving test on friday, its been on my mind since before i applied for it... AND I'm doing it in Brown's Bay which is apparently the worst place to do it, because lots of people have failed their first try there... but I'm trying to be positive and saying im GOING to get the licence on friday, instead of "might" so hopefully my determination will help somewhat hehe...

money troubles are a big one too, being a student has sucked my funds right out the window... hence searchign for a job, hence more stress!! and then there are a few other things, along with the stress of uni commitments, exams... blah blah and a bag of chips.

[Biggles08]

STOP EATING CHEESE!! YOU WILL NOTICE THAT WHENEVER YOU EAT CHEESE IT GIVES YOU WERD DREAMS OR NIGHTMARES!! YOUR BODY MAY BECOME A BIT EUPHORIC WHEN YOUR PROCESSING IT WHEN YOUR SLEEPING. I DONT KNOW BUT ITS CHEESE THAT DOES IT! IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME TRY IT EAT A SMALL BLOCK OF CHEESE BEFORE BED!

Ahem...could you please speak up I can't hear you???:rolleyes::bleh::clap::mega::weird:

[peasea]

I've been having the weirdest nightmares lately... but sometimes they couldnt even be called nightmares exactly, but they're so disturbing that they make me wake up with shock, or wake up in the morning not feeling at all rested...

These dreams are the kind that haunt you way after and you don't want to sleep again for fear of having them... they reach deep into your soul and lodge themselves there... they're the kind that make you cringe whenever anything reminds you of them...

Nothing I've done seems to help, and i've ended up getting to sleep REALLy late (or early however you look at it)... I don't know what to do.. i think its starting to affect me in reality... my moods tend to be VERY tempramental (cant spell, too tired) its like they're going up and down with every minute ticking by.. and sometimes its just nothing but blank...

That's why I'm awake now... fear of my subconscious...

Hmmm, been smoking P lately?

That shit gives you a serious psychosis, took me months to get rid of it.

I felt better after dreaming that I cut the ex into tiny pieces and ran the bits through a blender, then stapled her cats to her front door, then burnt her house to the ground then arrrgh, bugger, it was just a dream.

[peasea]

Thanx for this thread; after months of reasonable dreams, I had a friggin nightmare last night, one of those vivid ones that has afterimages all day.:(

No, that's life mate. Go back to sleep.

[peasea]

(no shame in asking for/getting help).



Yes there is; it makes you poncing quince.

Get over it.

[Curious_AJ]

hey... this was ment as a problem solving thread... please don't be so rash with your comments, thanks

as for P ... no, i don't do that kind of thing...

[peasea]

hey... this was ment as a problem solving thread... please don't be so rash with your comments, thanks

as for P ... no, i don't do that kind of thing...

And that was meant as (perhaps somewhat askew) humour.

As it happens I have weird sleep patterns too, sometimes waking up exhausted. It's been going on since I was a kid. There's no cure, sorry. I've checked it out, tough shit. Dreams are so 'out there' that nobody can grasp what's going on. There's no rhyme or reason to them. Sure some daily stresses can influence them but ultimately "it's all in your head".

cu

PS: A bike might help.

[Curious_AJ]

no it actally is your mind working through some things... why would we have dreams if it wasnt? just to entertain us when we sleep? no.. because no dreams is usually the best kind of sleep...

but yeah.. i dont know, confusing...

[Toaster]

Maha man is much more polite than me, i was going to say.....
Have a wank..:D

Nah... shag someone. Asking first helps.... :innocent:

[0arbreaka]

Im sure if you go to the den, erox, etc etc they could help you out on the um wank/whatever side of things... Or is it Indy thats giving you the nightmares...

[Curious_AJ]

i was going to work at the den... but they didnt call me back.. an i need no help in that department thanks... :p

you could say it was Indy giving me the nightmares... but then you'd be lying... I think its the monkey that's living in my closet... :shifty:

[0arbreaka]

You need to lay off the lsd and the mushys for a bit, that might help you calm down a bit, when you realise that the large snake comming to bite you was actually a sock on your floor and the evil monkey in your closet was actually an old teddy bear you left in there.

[Curious_AJ]

all my teddies are on my head board shelf thingie... they protect me from the things i see in the dark.... :p

[0arbreaka]

O gawd, try dinking a six pick of double brown trust me, you wont have to worry about sleeping or nightmares. Or if you can drink like a guy then maybe a 12pack might be in store..

[Curious_AJ]

I can drink quite a lot... and as for DB... eww... and I did that once, then walked to takapuna and back at 3am ish with Indy and mag and RM... to foodtown... lol... that night i STILL had nightmares because I was sober when i went to bed lol...

but yeah... its weird... beer probably makes me have a worse sleep... *doh*

[0arbreaka]

Well then we have a dilema on our hands, I have one surefire way to get you to sleep like a fat lil baby, but it involves vast vast amounts of exercise, enough to make it hurt when you smile..

[Indiana_Jones]

Well then we have a dilema on our hands, I have one surefire way to get you to sleep like a fat lil baby, but it involves vast vast amounts of exercise, enough to make it hurt when you smile..

Sexercise!

-Indy

[Curious_AJ]

rofl... sometimes I think I do enough of that kind of excersise... I think I should take up yoga.. or weights... either end of the scale...lol... I'd end up having a lean, toned body.. or the likes which could crush a man with a hair in my nose...

[Hitcher]

or the likes which could crush a man with a hair in my nose...

What on earth would a man with a hair be doing in your nose?

[Curious_AJ]

he's the one that makes me sneeze....

and what it was ment to sound like was, that I would crush a man using a hair from inside my nose... :p

man, I'm soo glad I did my test today and passed... I think I'm going to sleep well tonight... actually, it depends...

[deanohit]

... I think I'm going to sleep well tonight... actually, it depends...

On what? If Indy comes round for some exersize:dodge:

[Zuki Bandit]

Drink like you've never drunk before. You make wake up with a headache, but you wont remember a thing.

[peasea]

he's the one that makes me sneeze....

and what it was ment to sound like was, that I would crush a man using a hair from inside my nose... :p

man, I'm soo glad I did my test today and passed... I think I'm going to sleep well tonight... actually, it depends...

Wow, you must have some serious nasal hair! I have a chainsaw if you get stuck...

That test: Was that a urine test?

[scumdog]

rofl... sometimes I think I do enough of that kind of excersise... ...

No! You can't have too much of that kind of exercise....knock til ya drop I sez..

[Curious_AJ]

Wow, you must have some serious nasal hair! I have a chainsaw if you get stuck...

That test: Was that a urine test?

haha, nah the test was my restricted cage licence test...

i didnt sleep too well last night, even though I've been at Indy's since yesterday morning... I dremt about a huge damn spider attacking me.. and i'm afraid of spiders.. it wasnt nice...

[moT]

ITS THE CHEESE!!! AND ONLY THE CHEESE! STOP EATING THE CHEESE TO STOP THIS MADNESS!!!! Or set your alarm to 1 min past midnight and shoot the big lanky fellow with the suitcase and a pipe outside your window. that will solve everyones problems