Sack Benson-Pope [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Skyryder

23rd July 2007, 22:34

Steam

23rd July 2007, 22:35

Yep, I have no idea why Helen backs him, he's a huge liability for Labour, I don't know what she's doing. He should have been dumped over the tennis ball thing.

oldrider

23rd July 2007, 23:05

I'm getting pissed of with this arshole. And for me to get pissed of with Labour Minister has got to say something for those that know me on here. This tosser should be kicked out of Parliment for not only for lying to the public, but for actually believing that we the public will believe him.

As for Helen Clarke I generaly have some time for her political nouse but backing this loser I'm relay begining to think that she has lost the plot.

So what's KB opinion on this sorry saga of having a government emplee sacked just becasue she is in a relationship with a National Party employee.

Skyryder

Well, I was waiting for this to be aired but would have lost money on who might be the one to raise it!

Big ups to you Skyryder, he is such a loser and a liar, he is certainly bringing the other apples down to his level.

This post lifts you up in my book, so there's a nice wee bouquet for you. (I know you wont sleep now for the excitement of that!)

Regardless of which party, Benson Pope's behaviour is completely out of order.

This would never have been tolerated in the "good old days" of politics. :nono: Cheers John.

Jantar

23rd July 2007, 23:17

A few years ago, Stromfrau's cousin worked as Private Secretary for the leader of the opposition, while his wife worked in the Prime Ministers Department. Both were closer to the repective leaders than in this present debacle, yet there was no political interference at all. Both were astute enough that nothing untoward was ever passed on that shouldn't have been.

So, we can only conclude that the present sacking was purely for political reasons, and not because of any government or departmental policy.

pritch

23rd July 2007, 23:20

As for Helen Clarke I generaly have some time for her political nouse but backing this loser I'm relay begining to think that she has lost the plot.

A political reporter was discussing this on the radio. He was saying Benson-Pope and Helen are personal friends.

Dover Samuels must look at the support B-P is getting and wonder...

scumdog

24th July 2007, 00:49

Mehh, just another lying, leeching politician, probably learned of Sir Helen.

Brian d marge

24th July 2007, 01:01

A political reporter was discussing this on the radio. He was saying Benson-Pope and Helen are personal friends.

Dover Samuels must look at the support B-P is getting and wonder...

Not that silly cow on the National program at about 5pm .. was listening to her atoday ,,, what a mess of Journalism she made ... if they call that investigative ,,, I am a better rider than Rossi

Stephen

candor

24th July 2007, 02:04

They did good spotting the Egyptian Palace plot to destroy the Labour Empire from within. But it was untidily dealt with, and for that one should get booted.

PS are spin Drs required to pledge allegiance and votes to their payers? That would make Sedgleys house politically Swiss.

Swoop

24th July 2007, 08:51

She should ditch the incompetent fool faster than a :Police:man to a donut shop....

BUT, she can't. labour are desperate for all the seats/votes/"representatives" they can muster, and if Unkle Heilen gives him the heave, he will possibly threaten to become an independant.

Paul in NZ

24th July 2007, 09:09

Always hard to know if he is an idiot or if he is just a target for the media...

Hitcher

24th July 2007, 09:29

There are some questions that haven't been answered by this particular case, such as what does this mean for professional communicators who have partners/spouses employed either by opposition political parties or the media? Are such people now wasting their time applying for roles in Central Government? The Right Honorable The Prime Minister clearly believes this to be so, with her comment yesterday that Madeleine Setchell's application should never have been considered by the Ministry for the Environment in the first place.

Another issue is what is to happen with people already employed by the public service with such credentials? Are they to be exited for conflict of interest?

The non-politicisation of New Zealand's public service is one of its core principles, enshrined in a variety of documents such as the Public Service Code of Conduct (www.ssc.govt.nz). Unless this matter is resolved quickly, all of this hard-won principle will be torched, thanks to a meddling Minister and a soft-cock chief executive.

On a related matter, I have had the privilege of employing Madeleine Setchell earlier in her career. She is an outstandingly professional and competent senior communicator and a wonderful person in all regards. She does not deserve any of the angst and aggravation associated with the mandarins of the public sector silently closing ranks in the spineless way they always seem to do in such circumstances. Madeleine deserves better. The citizens of New Zealand deserve a proper explanation.

Grahameeboy

24th July 2007, 09:36

This is why I don't follow politics..............it is all media based.

Doesnt matter who is in power there will always be some shit......I only have one power and I make my own shit.

I have better things to do with my time.

terbang

24th July 2007, 10:12

He's a dodgey prick and a waste of taxpayers money. This shareholder says 'sack him'.

Hitcher

24th July 2007, 10:23

This is why I don't follow politics..............it is all media based.

Unfortunately much of politics is not "media based" i.e. doesn't receive the harsh glare of public scrutiny that it possibly should.

I don't mind people who say they're not interested in politics, on the proviso that they never ever pass judgement on or complain about government, the state of the nation or their community, and their elected representatives.

Grahameeboy

24th July 2007, 10:39

Unfortunately much of politics is not "media based" i.e. doesn't receive the harsh glare of public scrutiny that it possibly should.

I don't mind people who say they're not interested in politics, on the proviso that they never ever pass judgement on or complain about government, the state of the nation or their community, and their elected representatives.

I am pretty certain I have not seriously complained about the Govt etc..........

oldrider

24th July 2007, 13:16

I am pretty certain I have not seriously complained about the Govt etc..........

We understand,...... you are British after all!..:confused: (lol)

Grahameeboy

24th July 2007, 13:19

We understand,...... you are British after all!..:confused: (lol)

No I am "Me" Sir...........which is even more :confused:

Toaster

24th July 2007, 13:30

Just sack the whole Labour Government.

MSTRS

24th July 2007, 13:55

Just sack the whole Labour Government.

So shooting is too good for them, huh?

Hitcher

24th July 2007, 13:58

So shooting is too good for them, huh?

Have you seen the cost of ammunition recently?

Toaster

24th July 2007, 14:05

So shooting is too good for them, huh?

mmmm shooting.... (drool)

Mr Merde

24th July 2007, 14:08

Have you seen the cost of ammunition recently?

500 rnds .22 ammo approx $50

120 MP's salaries approx $15 million

Good ROI

SPman

24th July 2007, 14:21

The whole sorry saga is symbolic of the governments (both Labour and National), increasing meddling in the Public Service and their seeming determination to remove Public Service neutrality. This is a very worrying trend.

Just sack the whole Labour Government.
They are due for it - third term arrogance has become rife, but, what bunch of self serving scrotes are you going to replace them with - Key and his bunch of monied cronies, who are waiting for the chance to snap up any remaining public companies and divvy them up amongst themselves again, whilst creating a pool of labour to drive down wages ( ie - unemployment ) and return us to the nasty 90's!?

500 rnds .22 ammo approx $50

120 MP's salaries approx $15 million
Hmmm $12 to solve the problem.......tempting!

avgas

24th July 2007, 14:25

Sack the gubberment - the world will run fine and cheaper without em

Bullitt

24th July 2007, 18:09

I was a former student of Benson-Pope many years ago. I didnt really like German though so he didnt teach me for very long.

Theres two issues here, that the public service should be neutral and that he lied about it. Everyone keeps going on about how he should be sacked for lying, when thats all most politicians have ever done, he just keeps getting caught.

Either the last election or the one before it (maybe both?) Benson-Popes Dunedin South electorate had the largest majority of any seat in the country. Though this is more to do with it being a labour seat than a BP seat admitedly.

Im not a labour supporter so Im quite happy for him to stay :third:

riffer

24th July 2007, 18:47

Some interesting points made in the Dominion Post recently:

Tracy Watkins:
The reason Ms Setchell's job was deemed so sensitive was that Prime Minister Helen Clark had placed carbon neutrality at the forefront of Labour's political agenda. Ministry staff have been told to rack their brains for bold plans which are likely to form the centrepiece of Labour's election campaign... Where once it was accepted that the public service endured regardless of the government of the day, it now appears that, for certain jobs at least, your CV is immaterial if you don't also hold the favour of the current administration. That raises the spectre of a US-style turnover at the top of a politically appointed civil service when there is a change of administration. The problem for New Zealand is that skilled bureaucrats are in short supply. There is no alternative workforce biding its time in think tanks and academia till there is a change of face at the top.

Richard Long:
This issue arose, I suspect, partly because of Labour's traditional paranoia about the public service, and secondly because the Government has lost reality over appointments. Labour has become so used to staffing ministerial offices (and departments where they can) with their own acolytes that they have, possibly irreparably, damaged the concept of the professional ministerial advisory corps... Ministerial press secretaries, who, with an eye on the political polls, have been fleeing the Beehive for more secure roles in departments and government agencies, should also be concerned about this. An incoming National government would be justified, under this precedent, in reviewing their warrants, wherever they are in the public service, because they have worked for Labour ministers... The same will apply to other ministerial staffers, though National is aware there is a corps of talented, experienced, Beehive bureaucrats who are capable of working under either administration. It would be short-sighted lunacy to lose their institutional knowledge.

I totally agree with you here Brett and with a lot of what the two quoted journos have written. Where next? Do we get an incoming administration deciding which public servants work for the govt? Do we also have government departments working as de-facto policy think-tanks for political parties?

And will we get to the point where reporters or cartoonists are thrown out of press conferences because the Prime Minister doesn't agree with their opinion?

Nah - that would never happen would it? ;)

jafar

24th July 2007, 20:11

Benson-pope & Philip Fields should both be stood up against the wall & shot with a very large ball of their own:shit:. Both have been caught out bullshitting !

The only reason they have not been is because Aunty Helens fragile gibberment would not have the numbers in the house for confidence & supply & that would lead to an early election which Labour would most likely lose.
:bye: Helen your time is well & truly UP & I hope you get the :spanking: you deserve in the polls.:whistle:

ynot slow

24th July 2007, 20:47

Uncle Helen won't have the numbers to govern if she sacks all the idiots,hell look at Tamahere,Samuels,Philip-Field,they are all gone.

Benson-Pope looks light your typical useless teacher,should try some decent fertiliser on his lip or shave it off,fuck uncle Hels has more hair on her/his lip.:shutup:

Delerium

25th July 2007, 16:34

avgas

25th July 2007, 16:49

down wif the gubbermint!!!!

Mr Merde

25th July 2007, 20:41

The absolute contempt shown for tax payers is disgusting. Guess what, YOU work for ME, not the other damn way around. YOU should be making decisions on what I want, not what you want to puch because of personal agenda and that you think you how to run my life better than me!

If more people thought like this and made their thoughts heard by those vermin in government then we would have them really worried.

They rely upon our basic apathy to divide us and thereby rule us.

I too am a member of the flock but possibly one who bleats just a little louder.

How does one go about raising public outrage to the point that our "pondlife' listen. I dont know, if i did I would be trying to apply it now.

peasea

25th July 2007, 21:20

Sack him.
Sack Helen.
Sack full.

Skyryder

26th July 2007, 19:16

As for Benson-Popes performance in Parliment 26/7 today.....................I've got the axe...............who's got the chopping block??

Skyryder

jafar

26th July 2007, 19:40

As for Benson-Popes performance in Parliment 26/7 today.....................I've got the axe...............who's got the chopping block??

Skyryder

MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME

Sacking him sadly only means he is moved to the back benches :angry:
The lying sack of shit will still have a job & a pension:argh:

ynot slow

26th July 2007, 19:55

He's a gone burger after seeing the new tonight,good fucken job,epitomises the word "tosser",just to see the smug look wiped off his face will be priceless.

New tui beer slogan "I didn't know/do it"yeah right.:nono:

oldrider

26th July 2007, 20:27

As for Benson-Popes performance in Parliment 26/7 today.....................I've got the axe...............who's got the chopping block??

Skyryder

I'll hold him, you hit him, it will be nice working together on a political mission for once. :yes: Cheers John.

Skyryder

26th July 2007, 20:31

I'll hold him, you hit him, it will be nice working together on a political mission for once. :yes: Cheers John.

Oh if only we could.

Skyryder

Steam

26th July 2007, 20:35

mbazza

26th July 2007, 20:41

I have to agree with 'Hitcher'. We don't get good info. on these sorts of things.
We only have the questions & replies in Kiddyville House and the media spin on this. Aren't they meant to be governing this country, not feathering their own nests at our expence. Cheers :bye:

Hitcher

26th July 2007, 20:46

Lunchtime is a long time in politics. Cabinet meets Monday. Watch this space...

Skyryder

26th July 2007, 20:56

Wait wait wait!
You folks who want Labour out, you should be wanting Benson-Pope to stay! He's a total liability and the wisest things Helen could do is fire him. You National / Act voters, you should want him in, so he can continue to embarrass the party.

Yes?

Issues such as this, in conjucntion with the time frame for the next election, will be minor. National may have some words to say on Benson-Pope but Key will not dwell on his shortcomings or indeed the shortcoming of any Labour politican. If this had happened closer to the election then it's effects and the damage to Labour and Clarke would be more apparent.

In fact I would go so far as to rule out personal political issues with the next election on the grounds that Key will be wanting to promote himself as the average kiwi made good. Mudslinging and character assasanations is not the 'traditional' kiwi way.

Skyryder

oldrider

26th July 2007, 21:10

Wait wait wait!
You folks who want Labour out, you should be wanting Benson-Pope to stay! He's a total liability and the wisest things Helen could do is fire him. You National / Act voters, you should want him in, so he can continue to embarrass the party.

Yes?

Vote A (Labour) Vote B (National) Vote C (Act) or even Vote for one of the teeny weeny lefty selection, so what!

Will there be any real noticeable difference at the end of the day?

As usual New Zealand will continue to vote the incumbent "out" rather than vote a desirable alternative "in"!

And so the beat goes on, la la la la la lah.

To get a different result you have to do something different.

Whats different about any of the parties that "the media will offer up to you" ?

Watch what happens! :mellow: John.

oldrider

27th July 2007, 11:50

Skyryder has got his wish, Benson-Pope is a goneburger! :yes: John

Hitcher

27th July 2007, 14:19

Who was it who said that a lunchtime was a long time in politics?

Read the latest comment too from the State Services Commission (www.ssc.govt.nz). Most interesting, especially for those used to the subtleties of public service "code". Note the author of that as well...

Fascinating. We have yet to hear the end of this sad and sorry simmering sordid sleazy salacious saga.

Robbo

27th July 2007, 17:13

Well, it looks like Aunty Helen has taken notice of our KB poll and sacked Benson-Pope. Amazing! But seriously, would'nt he have been better off just being left there to assist with the demise of the Labour Govt in the next elections??
:shit:

carver

27th July 2007, 17:22

oldrider

27th July 2007, 20:09

i will never get why people get sacked for past offences..like the tennis ball thing.
none of us are saints eh....

How I see it:

He didn't get sacked for the original "offence" he got sacked because he kept on lying about it.

IE: If he had originally said yes, I did do the tennis ball thing, that's the way it was back then!

I would not have held him in contempt nor would have the electorate or parliament.

It would have all just passed over him but he lied in parliament and got caught out, that was the "crime" every time.

The last time he not only broke the rules of parliament but he also tried to lie his way out of that too.

Old habits die hard and he just kept proving himself unworthy of being a politician let alone a minister of the crown!

He just continued to lie, over and over until Clark had absolutely no option but to force him to stand down.

IMHO, it's also a case of the pot calling the kettle black but she holds the biggest stick, so "he" got the red card! :yes: Cheers, John.

spudchucka

27th July 2007, 20:13

i will never get why people get sacked for past offences..like the tennis ball thing.
none of us are saints eh....

Its not so much the past incidents as much as the fact that he's been found out telling lies about them.

MisterD

27th July 2007, 20:51

Read the latest comment too from the State Services Commission (www.ssc.govt.nz). Most interesting, especially for those used to the subtleties of public service "code". Note the author of that as well...

Fascinating. We have yet to hear the end of this sad and sorry simmering sordid sleazy salacious saga.

No, sorry, not following. I'm totally incapable of following this kind of stuff unless you can translate it in "Yes Minister-ese":confused:

Zuki Bandit

27th July 2007, 20:55

Hell yea sack im!! Make him eat tennis balls.