Welly to Mana speeding - One for the legals

[Babelfish]

I was ticketed last week for doing 125 between Wellington and Mana. Well, not ticketed exactly, but written into a little black book and told the ticket will be in the mail. I am not certain the charge can stick though, and thinking on it post event, I'm not convinced it was warranted.

I'll play the game and if its a fair cop I'll take the punishment but I cant help feeling this guy was just after a bit of a run before knocking off for the day.

I was in peak traffic, about 6pm travelling home to Kapiti a pretty much keeping to the limits. Now I was sewing the traffic a bit, and possibly changing lanes between gaps more sedate people wouldn’t, but not overly dangerously imho.

However, as I entered the motorway from the onramp off Aotea Quay I was unwittingly spotted by a motorbike cop who apparently took umbrage to my manoeuvrers. This he told me after catching up to me in Mana.

Now, he told me it had taken me 7 min to get from Wellington to Mana. The distance is 22.5 km going off google maps, which means I would have had to be travelling 191km/hr in peak traffic. In reality I was fluctuating between 90 to 100, with possible excursions to 110 if I wasn’t looking :innocent:

He told me he spotted me zip in from the on ramp. Fair play, I zipped in. He then said he had to reach excessive speeds to try and keep up, at times reaching 145 km/hr. This is possible in my opinion if he didn’t get the gaps in the traffic that I got. Admittedly, his requirement for gaps are probably wider than mine.

He got another office in a car to pull over on the motorway to spot me going past, who said at the time I was 5 cars ahead of the motorbike cop. The car, which I saw pulled over and wondered what he was up to, was about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way to Mana. Almost immediately after the bike pulled me over, the car arrived so I had the full swat team in action.

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious). However, taking the 7mins into account, and the fact that he had to ride up to 145km/hr, he decided he'd do me for 125km/hr.

He then asked for my license….which had expired! Shit and bugger I thought. But he decided to "be nice" and let me off for that one, saving me $400.

I was good about the process, polite and apologetic, but the more I thought about it the more I wondered whether they actually got the right bloke. Yes, I probably needed a slap for sewing the traffic. Yes, the speeds I was going, while not above the limit, are not THE safest for the environment (i.e. I should just be tucked behind a car and pretend I'm one of them).

However, if he didn’t clock me, and wasn't actually right behind me to witness the gaps I was working with, do I have a chance to get off this? The mere fact he thought it took 7 minutes is ridiculous, and using this to guage my speed surely is a little shite.

The other question I have, is if I decide to dispute this, can he bring other charges in, such as the expired license, or dangerous driving?

If I am to dispute, are there any particular gems I should focus on? Can it be dealt with via a letter, or is a court appearance mandatory?

Thanks for all help in advance.

[Krusti]

Did he have you in sight the whole time and or did he have your plate number at the start?

If not how can he prove in court that it was you? Unless of course you admitted to him that it was.

Problem is though that you can not deny riding on an expired licence.

What was his reason for not giving you the ticket there and then?

My opinion..........if the ticket arrives.....pay up.

[imdying]

How much is the fine, and how many points does it carry? They probably can't put points on your license cause you don't have one :rofl:

[sAsLEX]

So whilst struggling to control his bike he is doing kinematic equations in his head to work out your speed?


Fight it.


Happened to a guy near Mokau similar thing, cop chased him and guessed his speed, judge threw it out.

Patrick knows the one I am talking about.

[skelstar]

Mate, take the ticket. You were lucky :weird:

[Nat]

I was pulled over on my way to work quite a while ago for speeding. Police man took all my details and said he'd send out a ticket in the mail.

I never received any ticket in the mail, I figured he must've just thought it was too borderline to bother with. Hopefully your's will be the same. I figured since he took my name and license number that they wont be so lenient next time, but who knows?

[The Pastor]

post up when and if the ticket comes.

[Karma]

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious).

Yeh, that's a lie.

I'm sure there's something in the police guidelines for speeding that they're not actually allowed to operate the radar whilst the bike is in motion.

[Korea]

When all is said and done, you got off pretty lightly (probably on account of the creative means your speed was tested).

If you fight it, you may get the whole works:

Driving unlicensed
Exceeding the limit
Points


If you weren't unlicensed at the time, I'd say you gotta fight for your right (to party?).

As it stands...
Nod and smile apologetically was the right choice.

Now, renew your bloody licence~ :yes:

[Freakshow]

If you go and get your licences renewed ASAP they probably will forget about it and it is not like you lost your licence due to any reason. Anyway you would be fighting a ticket that states speeding it won't mention no licence and therefore they have missed their opotunity to follow that up.

[mark247]

Send a letter in to the Police Infringement Bureau and tell them what you told us basically. I got a $400 fine for riding a 400cc on my learners and I wrote a letter in saying how i was in the middle of applying for my exemption so i could ride one ( which was accepted. ) I did not get let off the fine though because in the letter they sent me they told me that had reviewed the cops notes and the original reason for pulling me over was infact for speeding, not just a random check. Because of this they just told me to pay up but i did not add on a speeding fine, which they possibly could have done. Just do what i did but hopefully you will be a bit more lucky. Basically what I am trying to say is that I do not think they can add on more fines if you try to fight a fine. Each ticket is dealt with totally individually.

Since then i was given another $400 fine for the same thing, only that was a random check. They wrote "DIVERSION" on the ticket, i sent it in saying that it was a random check etc etc and i was let off that fine. If they were able to look back and change their minds because I had got a fine for doing the same thing ( and obviously hadnt learnt my lession ) then i think they most likely would of told me to pay up again.

Good luck!

[swbarnett]

Get your license renewed and fight it. If you weren't doing 125 or anything near it they need to be brought to task for their terrible judgement and abuse of power. The speeding and expired license are two different charges. If you get off the speeding ticket you probably won't be charged for the lack of license because of double jeopardy (both charges would relate to the same incident) and the fact that the cop didn't report it at the time. I got given a minor ticket once by a cop that agreed with what I'd done to stop potential larger problems (he didn't want to ticket me at all). Seek a lawyer's advise to confirm this. This is just from my experience.


Problem is though that you can not deny riding on an expired licence.
He wasn't charged with this at the time so it's really a non-issue as far as the speeding ticket is concerned IMHO.

[Patrick]

Happened to a guy near Mokau similar thing, cop chased him and guessed his speed, judge threw it out.

Patrick knows the one I am talking about.

I know OF the incident from KB only... A "Guess" is never going to work.


... and said he'd send out a ticket in the mail...I never received any ticket in the mail,. Hopefully your's will be the same.

Keep ya fingers crossed... it might never happen...


....Now, renew your bloody licence~ :yes:

If you haven't already done so, perhaps he is watching to see if you do... If you don't, the ticket is in the mail.....


Get your license renewed and fight it. If you weren't doing 125 or anything near it they need to be brought to task for their terrible judgement and abuse of power. The speeding and expired license are two different charges. If you get off the speeding ticket you probably won't be charged for the lack of license because of double jeopardy (both charges would relate to the same incident) and the fact that the cop didn't report it at the time. I got given a minor ticket once by a cop that agreed with what I'd done to stop potential larger problems (he didn't want to ticket me at all). Seek a lawyer's advise to confirm this. This is just from my experience.

He wasn't charged with this at the time so it's really a non-issue as far as the speeding ticket is concerned IMHO.

Nothing to fight yet... he hasn't been ticketed...

Perhaps he (the cop) was following at a constant speed of 125 for a few hundred metres as he the bike rider was pulling away? This is called "Pursuit Mode" and not a "terrible lack of judgement or an abuse of power..."

Double jeopardy???? Bush Lawyer??? Two offences, one incident = 2 fines... but in this case, he has been let off the licence matter ($400 instant fine and forbidden to drive there and then at the roadside until licence obtained BTW...) and "MIGHT" post out a speeding ticket... might not... if he has sorted his licence, as it shows "enthusiasm" to rectify a problem...

[RantyDave]

I'm not a legal, but I say keep your head down and pay it. You don't want to draw attention to your license being out of date and potentially having a "riding like a twat" charge added to the shopping cart. There's the car zapping you too - had it been just the bike with no radar I guess it might have been worth it.

Just pay it and thank your lucky stars for the rest of the points and dollars that aren't going to be tagged on.

Dave

[carver]

what are you riding like that on the road for-your a noob babyfish..
i hope squids like you wont impact my acc levvies.
if your going to be a idiot like that, you should do it on the track.
dont come crying to me when that extra impact from speeding puts you in hospital.
no offence though....

[Macktheknife]

Just renew the licence and wait and see if the ticket turns up, IF it does then write a letter, but I don't know if you will ever see this one.

[mark247]

Why is it that sometimes they give you a ticket on the spot and other times they send it in the mail?

[Patrick]

Why is it that sometimes they give you a ticket on the spot and other times they send it in the mail?

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

[mark247]

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

officer cant spell?

[Patrick]

officer cant spell?

The lowering of standards? Maybe...

[Babelfish]

Good effort guys. Thanks for all the advice. Basically, much of it reflects the way I'm thinking at the moment:

1. I may not get the ticket in the mail. Not getting it would be the best option.
2. I got my license renewed the very next day.
3. The license was an honest mistake, and fortunately common sense prevailed on that one as I knew it was a 4hundy and walk home offence.
4. He never said he had actually followed me, and the 125km/hr was an "average" he decided on on the spot.
5. The cop car didnt ping me at all. I wasnt speeding.
6. He was off to "pick someone up" so wrote everything into a book. Funnily enough the car also had to "pick someone up" so they both pissed off for a bevvy together. Shame cos I was getting to like them :drool:
7. It must be Carvers turn to type while WierdoinSpandex gargles his bell end.

[sAsLEX]

If you fight it, you may get the whole works:

Driving unlicensed
Exceeding the limit
Points



Can they just start adding charges at that stage??




he has been let off the licence matter ($400 instant fine and forbidden to drive there and then at the roadside until licence obtained BTW...) and "MIGHT" post out a speeding ticket... might not... if he has sorted his licence, as it shows "enthusiasm" to rectify a problem...

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

[Babelfish]

Can they just start adding charges at that stage??

...

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

Whether they can add the other charges afterwards is the big question. I think I'm justified in disputing the speed, but the licence WAS expired so I have no argument for that.

Other than as you say, I AM licensed and simply havent paid $45 for the new one. And here's the kicker, just over a year ago I got my full license so they gave me a shiny new license then...only to get me to pay for it again now...ARRRRRRRSE!

[Patrick]

Seems pretty harsh for someone who "IS" licensed they just havent gone and paid the $35 to renew it.
How often do people check there DL to see when to renew it?

That is where the attitude test is applied... fail that, start walking.... with the paper work that you would also have just been given...


Whether they can add the other charges afterwards is the big question. I think I'm justified in disputing the speed, but the licence WAS expired so I have no argument for that.

Other than as you say, I AM licensed and simply havent paid $45 for the new one. And here's the kicker, just over a year ago I got my full license so they gave me a shiny new license then...only to get me to pay for it again now...ARRRRRRRSE!

If he warned you at the time, game over, done deal... unethical to then turn around and charge...

The speed is disputable, going from what you have said... the cops version may be completely different???

As for the licence... good work sorting it asap... could be the saving grace.

You upgraded your current licence to a full, but your current licence had been paid up for only 1 more year... this is what catches many out... They upgrade and think they will get it for another 10 years. Keep an eye on the dates of expiry fellas and fellesses....

[Babelfish]

Tickets arrived....128 was the speed, $230 was the fine


Mate, take the ticket. You were lucky :weird:

Why's that?

[jafar]

Tickets arrived....128 was the speed, $230 was the fine

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.

[Babelfish]

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.

Letter went on Wednesday so awaiting response. Will post back here when I....um.....hear. :mellow:

[Grahameeboy]

Letter went on Wednesday so awaiting response. Will post back here when I....um.....hear. :mellow:

Ask for his 'Certification'..........well you are allowed to with radar equipment..

When that guy on Beyond's ride got away with 210kph the cop said it was because his radar picked up 210, 150 and 130 due to other bikes just behind and that in Law he could not say what his speed was so how come the cop's human radar can be upheld in Court.

[Babelfish]

Ask for his 'Certification'..........well you are allowed to with radar equipment..

When that guy on Beyond's ride got away with 210kph the cop said it was because his radar picked up 210, 150 and 130 due to other bikes just behind and that in Law he could not say what his speed was so how come the cop's human radar can be upheld in Court.

Yep, groups are protected by their numbers. I've often thought the rozzers would have an issue ascertaining speed in night time peak traffic because of the "noise". I can only imagine they'd be best to sneak up on you so they can single you out.

Here's the letter:
New Zealand Police Infringement Bureau
PO Box 9147
Wellington 6141
Dear Sir or Madam:
I write in regard to notice BLABLA. The notice indicates a speeding offence between Wellington and Mana (although the notice states Porirua), stating that I traveled 128 km/hr.
On the occasion when I was stopped by Officer BLABLA, he told me that he had followed me from the Aotea Quay on-ramp to Mana, and claimed that the duration between the two points was 7 minutes. I must say that after hearing this at the time I was somewhat flustered and a little confused as to how I would achieve that as I am not known to be a fast rider in the least.
I researched this statement and found the distance between Wellington and Mana is 22.5 km. In my daily commuting I generally travel this distance in around 15-18 minutes in peak traffic. By my calculation, to travel this distance in 7 minutes I would have to ride at a speed of 191 km/hr. This is not taking into account the 80/60 km/hr area through the gorge. This is surely impossible during peak hour traffic and is certainly not the type of speed I would ever condone.
On being given a talking to by the officer I berated myself on my riding, thinking I must have been riding like an idiot. However, upon reflection I am not entirely certain that the office stopped the right person. I most certainly did not ride the speed that he indicated and can only assume the initial person he saw could not be me. No rider passed me, however there are a number of exits between Wellington and Mana that may have been taken.
The officer said that he did not record my speed from his radar, but he calculated both from the time taken to reach Mana, and the fact that he had to reach 140 km/hr to catch up to me. I am unsure why this might be, as I was not speeding. Also, from the officers calculation I had been traveling at 191 km/hr so how could he catch up to me at 140 km/hr?
To this end, I’d like to understand more about this incident. Could I please be sent:
• The officers notes, both front and rear.
• Since the officers own speedo was used in the calculation, could I also have the certification of accuracy of the bikes speedo.
• If the officer did in fact use a radar, could I please see the certificate of accuracy for it and the officers certification to use the device.
Should the officer have guessed my speed over this distance, I’d like to request a review of the incident as I honestly do not believe I reached the speed he has indicated.

I look forward to your response, and further information to understand how he came to believe I went as fast as he has stated.

Sincerely,

Babelfish

(that was actually a draft, but pretty close to what was sent because the final is at work)

[Grahameeboy]

Yep, groups are protected by their numbers. I've often thought the rozzers would have an issue ascertaining speed in night time peak traffic because of the "noise". I can only imagine they'd be best to sneak up on you so they can single you out.

Here's the letter:
New Zealand Police Infringement Bureau
PO Box 9147
Wellington 6141
Dear Sir or Madam:
I write in regard to notice BLABLA. The notice indicates a speeding offence between Wellington and Mana (although the notice states Porirua), stating that I traveled 128 km/hr.
On the occasion when I was stopped by Officer BLABLA, he told me that he had followed me from the Aotea Quay on-ramp to Mana, and claimed that the duration between the two points was 7 minutes. I must say that after hearing this at the time I was somewhat flustered and a little confused as to how I would achieve that as I am not known to be a fast rider in the least.
I researched this statement and found the distance between Wellington and Mana is 22.5 km. In my daily commuting I generally travel this distance in around 15-18 minutes in peak traffic. By my calculation, to travel this distance in 7 minutes I would have to ride at a speed of 191 km/hr. This is not taking into account the 80/60 km/hr area through the gorge. This is surely impossible during peak hour traffic and is certainly not the type of speed I would ever condone.
On being given a talking to by the officer I berated myself on my riding, thinking I must have been riding like an idiot. However, upon reflection I am not entirely certain that the office stopped the right person. I most certainly did not ride the speed that he indicated and can only assume the initial person he saw could not be me. No rider passed me, however there are a number of exits between Wellington and Mana that may have been taken.
The officer said that he did not record my speed from his radar, but he calculated both from the time taken to reach Mana, and the fact that he had to reach 140 km/hr to catch up to me. I am unsure why this might be, as I was not speeding. Also, from the officers calculation I had been traveling at 191 km/hr so how could he catch up to me at 140 km/hr?
To this end, I’d like to understand more about this incident. Could I please be sent:
• The officers notes, both front and rear.
• Since the officers own speedo was used in the calculation, could I also have the certification of accuracy of the bikes speedo.
• If the officer did in fact use a radar, could I please see the certificate of accuracy for it and the officers certification to use the device.
Should the officer have guessed my speed over this distance, I’d like to request a review of the incident as I honestly do not believe I reached the speed he has indicated.

I look forward to your response, and further information to understand how he came to believe I went as fast as he has stated.

Sincerely,

Babelfish

(that was actually a draft, but pretty close to what was sent because the final is at work)

Looks good........surely the only way to do a distance speed check is to have another cop ahead...they do this in UK using bridges....just seems to airyfairy to do it whilst following and as you say over that 7 minutes the cop would have to do 140k all the way to catch up which would not be easy in traffic.

Maybe one of our uniformed KBers can enlighten us....

[scumdog]

Write in & dispute it , you were not pinged by radar & there is enough doubt to make it worth the ink to challenge it.


I thought it was as Patrick said - he was followed at 'not less than' 125kph - or did I misread the post and there WAS a radar involved?

[jafar]

I thought it was as Patrick said - he was followed at 'not less than' 125kph - or did I misread the post and there WAS a radar involved?

Seems to be that the orificer in question took a "guess" as to the speed of the bike, if he was giving a verbal reprimand this is ok (mabey), but as he has issued an offence notice based on his guess it is open to question!
Add to this that the orificer said @ the time 125k then issued a ticket for 128k the whole thing should be tossed out. The officers "guess" doesn't count for a knob of goatshit if/when this goes in front of the beak.

Quote from the original statement :

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious). However, taking the 7mins into account, and the fact that he had to ride up to 145km/hr, he decided he'd do me for 125km/hr.

[quallman1234]

Personally i think it was all in his head.

[peasea]

I was ticketed last week for doing 125 between Wellington and Mana. Well, not ticketed exactly, but written into a little black book and told the ticket will be in the mail. I am not certain the charge can stick though, and thinking on it post event, I'm not convinced it was warranted.

I'll play the game and if its a fair cop I'll take the punishment but I cant help feeling this guy was just after a bit of a run before knocking off for the day.

I was in peak traffic, about 6pm travelling home to Kapiti a pretty much keeping to the limits. Now I was sewing the traffic a bit, and possibly changing lanes between gaps more sedate people wouldn’t, but not overly dangerously imho.

However, as I entered the motorway from the onramp off Aotea Quay I was unwittingly spotted by a motorbike cop who apparently took umbrage to my manoeuvrers. This he told me after catching up to me in Mana.

Now, he told me it had taken me 7 min to get from Wellington to Mana. The distance is 22.5 km going off google maps, which means I would have had to be travelling 191km/hr in peak traffic. In reality I was fluctuating between 90 to 100, with possible excursions to 110 if I wasn’t looking :innocent:

He told me he spotted me zip in from the on ramp. Fair play, I zipped in. He then said he had to reach excessive speeds to try and keep up, at times reaching 145 km/hr. This is possible in my opinion if he didn’t get the gaps in the traffic that I got. Admittedly, his requirement for gaps are probably wider than mine.

He got another office in a car to pull over on the motorway to spot me going past, who said at the time I was 5 cars ahead of the motorbike cop. The car, which I saw pulled over and wondered what he was up to, was about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way to Mana. Almost immediately after the bike pulled me over, the car arrived so I had the full swat team in action.

Now he told me he never actually clocked me, as that would have entailed turning his radar on and he was too busy controlling his bike (how safety conscious). However, taking the 7mins into account, and the fact that he had to ride up to 145km/hr, he decided he'd do me for 125km/hr.

He then asked for my license….which had expired! Shit and bugger I thought. But he decided to "be nice" and let me off for that one, saving me $400.

I was good about the process, polite and apologetic, but the more I thought about it the more I wondered whether they actually got the right bloke. Yes, I probably needed a slap for sewing the traffic. Yes, the speeds I was going, while not above the limit, are not THE safest for the environment (i.e. I should just be tucked behind a car and pretend I'm one of them).

However, if he didn’t clock me, and wasn't actually right behind me to witness the gaps I was working with, do I have a chance to get off this? The mere fact he thought it took 7 minutes is ridiculous, and using this to guage my speed surely is a little shite.

The other question I have, is if I decide to dispute this, can he bring other charges in, such as the expired license, or dangerous driving?

If I am to dispute, are there any particular gems I should focus on? Can it be dealt with via a letter, or is a court appearance mandatory?

Thanks for all help in advance.

Get a gun and shoot the fuck

[peasea]

On the way to another job..
No ticket book in the car...
Want to get to the donut shop for the specials instead of talking to ya...
Prolly many many more...

I'd pick 'C'.

[Smokin Joe]

Send a letter in to the Police Infringement Bureau and tell them what you told us basically. I got a $400 fine for riding a 400cc on my learners and I wrote a letter in saying how i was in the middle of applying for my exemption so i could ride one ( which was accepted. ) I did not get let off the fine though because in the letter they sent me they told me that had reviewed the cops notes and the original reason for pulling me over was infact for speeding, not just a random check. Because of this they just told me to pay up but i did not add on a speeding fine, which they possibly could have done. Just do what i did but hopefully you will be a bit more lucky. Basically what I am trying to say is that I do not think they can add on more fines if you try to fight a fine. Each ticket is dealt with totally individually.

Since then i was given another $400 fine for the same thing, only that was a random check. They wrote "DIVERSION" on the ticket, i sent it in saying that it was a random check etc etc and i was let off that fine. If they were able to look back and change their minds because I had got a fine for doing the same thing ( and obviously hadnt learnt my lession ) then i think they most likely would of told me to pay up again.

Good luck!

Heh there Mark,

I was interested to read that you have an exemption to allow you to ride a larger than 250cc bike while on a learners licence.

How did you manage that? What was you reason? My son is on his restricted licence but I considered that for the riding we do the 250 was dangerous on the open road. I have put him on a FZR600 which he has been riding now for some 4 months.:yes: But if we could get an exemption?

Gotta be the way to go. Any help would be welcomed.

Cheers,

Smokin Joe. PS Appologies for hijacking this thread.:zzzz:

[Babelfish]

Bit off topic, but my mate just got an exemption. He's voer 6 foot and got some pics taken of him on an array of bikes to show that they were too small for him. essentially the pics display him turning the bike full lock ad showing his elbow hitting his knee. Presto. He's now on his first road bike....an '06 zx6r....nice

[mark247]

Heh there Mark,

I was interested to read that you have an exemption to allow you to ride a larger than 250cc bike while on a learners licence.

How did you manage that? What was you reason? My son is on his restricted licence but I considered that for the riding we do the 250 was dangerous on the open road. I have put him on a FZR600 which he has been riding now for some 4 months.:yes: But if we could get an exemption?

Gotta be the way to go. Any help would be welcomed.

Cheers,

Smokin Joe. PS Appologies for hijacking this thread.:zzzz:


Bit off topic, but my mate just got an exemption. He's voer 6 foot and got some pics taken of him on an array of bikes to show that they were too small for him. essentially the pics display him turning the bike full lock ad showing his elbow hitting his knee. Presto. He's now on his first road bike....an '06 zx6r....nice

Pretty much what i did. But I didnt take photos. I explained how i was 6 foot 3 and i needed a bigger bike to be safe etc etc.

EDIT: By the way, if you son isnt tall and you just try convincing them its safer to be on a 600 on the open road compared to a 250, you probably wont get it. You need proof, i explained how i had owned 250cc bikes before and trucks had nearly blown me off the road on them etc etc

[peasea]

Pretty much what i did. But I didnt take photos. I explained how i was 6 foot 3 and i needed a bigger bike to be safe etc etc.

EDIT: By the way, if you son isnt tall and you just try convincing them its safer to be on a 600 on the open road compared to a 250, you probably wont get it. You need proof, i explained how i had owned 250cc bikes before and trucks had nearly blown me off the road on them etc etc

After riding since 1973 I decided to get a license in '02. There's NO course you can attend that proves you can ride a big bike, which I think is silly. There are plenty of people out there who can ride that don't have a license and for whatever reason don't try and get one.

I just kept my head down for a year and a half, riding my 1340cc machine. I got plucked once, on the bridge approaches, and the cop was brilliant. He booked me for exceeding 80kph and I sucked it up, thanking him for his leniency. He knew I'd had a beer, never bagged me coz I wasn't pissed. I was changing lanes without indicating, riding without the right licence (learners on a big bike) and speeding. If I could track that guy down I'd buy him a beer.

Now THAT'S a good cop.

[scumdog]

He knew I'd had a beer, never bagged me coz I wasn't pissed. I was changing lanes without indicating, riding without the right licence (learners on a big bike) and speeding. If I could track that guy down I'd buy him a beer.

Now THAT'S a good cop.

He was slack - you pay taxes for lacksadaisical work ethics like THIS??
It's like saying "My brkaes were dodgy, my steering-head bearing was slack and my rear tyre was almost smooth but the guy at the garage gave me a WOF. Now THAT'S a good WOF man.

Regardless of anything he should have breath tested you. I would have.
And told you next time I caught you breaching you Learners licence you would be getting a ticket for both times I caught you. (Not so likely in the mess you call the North Island)

And a lot of Kbers would have slagged you for you riding manner (not my call).

[mark247]

Drunk drivers dont deserve to be on the road what-so-ever.

[Babelfish]

He was slack - you pay taxes for lacksadaisical work ethics like THIS??

Hey Scumdog dont take this te wrong way - I support the boys in blue.

here it come's...However, when it comes to work ethics this thread started because some fat arse fuckwit on a bike decided he wanted to "teach me a lesson". He didnt know what speed I was doing, and just decided because I was riding agressively that I deserved a ticket. Telling me to pull my fucking head in would have worked....but telling me I had taken an impossible time to travel a set distance and then plucking a speed out of whatever the fuck world he lives in is also not the effort I pay my taxes for.

I pay my taxes to get good usage of the road. Yet I dont see said donut ridden gnarly old cunt pulling the slow dopey impossibly retarded toss pots clogging up the motorway.

End of the day, I am all for doing the time for the crime. But relying on someones common sense just because they decided to join up for the ulitmate power trip 300 years ago is fucked. Just because someone wears a uniform, doesnt mean they should forget about the context within the community. I've learned far more from community conscious cops than their fuckwit colleagues, and I've had enough experiences through my youth to recognise the difference.

As for drunk driving, I'm not sure Peasea was meaning he was drunk, just had a beer. I'd be careful jumping to conclusions.

.....breathing......breathing.....woooooooossssssa aaaaaaaaaahhhhh :mellow:

[Smokin Joe]

Many thanks for the information on exemptions guys, I will have to see what I can come up with.:yes:

Cheers,

Smokin

[swbarnett]

I've learned far more from community conscious cops than their fuckwit colleagues,
Exactly, In my early years I had a habit of tearing off from the lights just after they went green to do a right turn in front of the opposing traffic. Although I did have the room for the vehicles I was totally oblivious of the pedestrians that I nearly ran down until a cop pulled me over and enlightened me. If I'd had his badge number I'd have sent him a medal. I've never done that since.

[Babelfish]

Got the letter back today. Basically I fucked up. I was laid back enough to say "fair enough - I need to watch myself" on the night, and presto. The cop did not he "saw" me doing 128 for 400m mind you....THE LYING CUNT as all else he told me on the night did match up.

Next time I wont be stopping for the fat cunt.

Or at the very least, I'll be keeping me mouth shut.

[jafar]

Got the letter back today. Basically I fucked up. I was laid back enough to say "fair enough - I need to watch myself" on the night, and presto. The cop did not he "saw" me doing 128 for 400m mind you....THE LYING CUNT as all else he told me on the night did match up.

Next time I wont be stopping for the fat cunt.

Or at the very least, I'll be keeping me mouth shut.

Saw you doing 128k ? if his eyesight is that good why does he need radar ??
I'd be inclined to take it a step further.

[Babelfish]

Yeah mate. He told me on the night he guessed it based on the speed he was doing, NOT what he saw. Hence him being a fat arsed lying donut toting mother fucker.

Unfortunately, he's the law, and apparently cannot be wrong.