153kmh in 100kmh zone

[zelto]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

[sprag]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

Expect to have the licence taken off your for 3 - 6 months, over 50k i am sure is lost of licence and fine.

[Maha]

Should have known better aye?.... take whatever comes and know that next time 139 is the cut off point....:blip:

[Krusti]

My suggestion, turn up at court and grovel to the JP's, repenting and stating how much you have learnt your lesson.

[Nasty]

Huge booboo .. don't think that groveling to the judge will help .. but do it anyways ... 153 ... hope it was worth it :(

[ManDownUnder]

rub onions on the top of your index fingers just before you appear in front of anyone... then rub your eyes when you need to start the tears flowing.

It won't do a damn in difference but it's a neat trick.

Seriously though. Just say it straight. Did you do a dumb thing? yup. Will you do it again in a hurry? Nope... Do you regret it...? Yup.

etc.

[carver]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

ah well, you need to get a faster bike and run eh man...
fuck speed limits, they are for pussies, i wouldn't have stopped

[jrandom]

ah well, you need to get a faster bike and run eh man...
fuck speed limits, they are for pussies, i wouldn't have stopped

With all due respect, I just gotta say - you're an idiot.

[canarlee]

you were speeding, you got caught, your problem!


if you cant afford the fine then dont speed, simple innit!

[Toaster]

With all due respect, I just gotta say - you're an idiot.

AGREED..... with that attitude, he wont be long for this world. I just hope he doesn't take any good people with him.

[crashe]

Also add on $130 court costs on top of the heavy fine you are about to receive.

I guess you will get mighty fit with all the walking you are about to do over the next few months.

Loss of license also means no car driving as well.

Depending on how long you loose it for, ONLY after 28 days can you apply for a work license...
Chat to speedie about this, as he knows the ins and outs on this one.
To get it costs heaps of money.

[carver]

AGREED..... with that attitude, he wont be long for this world. I just hope he doesn't take any good people with him.


With all due respect, I just gotta say - you're an idiot.

have i met you two before?cause it sounds like you know me pretty well....

[zelto]

""Should have known better aye?.... take whatever comes and know that next time 139 is the cut off point....""

thanks mummy.

""you were speeding, you got caught, your problem!


if you cant afford the fine then dont speed, simple innit!""

never said i couldnt afford the fine, but thanks for your insightful comments.

[ManDownUnder]

""Should have known better aye?.... take whatever comes and know that next time 139 is the cut off point....""

thanks mummy.

""you were speeding, you got caught, your problem!


if you cant afford the fine then dont speed, simple innit!""

never said i couldnt afford the fine, but thanks for your insightful comments.

Mate you are one of the VERY few that's stood up and said nothing along the lines of "Bloody cops" or similar. Take a grain of salt where it's needed.

[canarlee]

Mate you are one of the VERY few that's stood up and said nothing along the lines of "Bloody cops" or similar. Take a grain of salt where it's needed.

well said that man!


would send bling but am unable till the end of october

[Spuds1234]

Mate you are one of the VERY few that's stood up and said nothing along the lines of "Bloody cops" or similar. Take a grain of salt where it's needed.

I agree. It sucks that you got caught but its very refreshing to see a post where someone isnt shifting the blame from themselves to the policeman/law makes/that car behind them/cat/dog/etc.

I hope you dont get done to hard. Best of luck with the court appearance.

[zelto]

so just to get that straight, if i get on here to ask what i may expect in the way of fines etc.., i should just expect several "haha that will learn you, speeding is wrong dont you know", naughty boy comments from a couple of wannabes!Instead of an idea of the actual fine etc.. I thought this forum was about bikers helping bikers.

[bmz2]

pay the fine and know that your riding days are finished for aleast 3 - 6 months , possible ordered to do a defensive riding course before you can ride again, which my be something you do, before you go to court to prove to the court that you have made a effort to correct your problem with speed and hope they take it into account.

[Macktheknife]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

Anything up to $1000 in fines and a further 3-6 months suspension depending on how well you grovel and what kind of mood the magistrate or JP is in.
Good attitude to it though, remember don't feed the trolls!
Good luck

[ManDownUnder]

so just to get that straight, if i get on here to ask what i may expect in the way of fines etc.., i should just expect several "haha that will learn you, speeding is wrong dont you know", naughty boy comments from a couple of wannabes!Instead of an idea of the actual fine etc.. I thought this forum was about bikers helping bikers.

Yeah you should, and you are right - that's what this forum should be about (bikers helping). As with all public groups - we have both.

Like I say - pinch of salt.

[MSTRS]

but thanks for your insightful comments.He'll be gutted. He was trying to be inciteful....


... i should just expect several "haha that will learn you, speeding is wrong dont you know", ....

No no, it's getting caught that is wrong. :innocent:
Expect a fine of $630, plus costs of $130, plus Disqual for 6 months. You may be lucky and lose it for 3, but don't hold your breath.

[zelto]

bmz2 macktheknife mandownunder, thanks for the tips, gotta say i was guessing a bit less than that, i have been out of touch with fines etc for a few years now.Courts take no prisioners now aye.Oh well not so bad, i am out of the country for the next 5 weeks , so thats the first 28 day stretch done.cheers

[onearmedbandit]

Where abouts did you get pinged mate?

/edit - I've been done for similar, and a bit more. Never been lucky enough to avoid a charge of dangerous driving, well except when I was younger. In those cases I got about $570 fines plus 6mths loss of license.

[pritch]

I thought this forum was about bikers helping bikers.

It can be indeed, and I'm a bit surprised at some of the sanctimonious responses you've had. "There but for the grace of God", and all that.

Did I note that the guy who recommended running actually rides a 150?

You can hire a professional groveller to take care of that part of the proceedings for you while you sit there nicely turned out to demonstrate your great respect for the Court. At the same time looking truely contrite.

This may lower the tariff marginally but you'll pay more than the difference in his fees.

If your job hinges on your licence you should probably seek professional advice right about now.

Best of luck

[zelto]

just outta greta valley, so a long way from ch/ch.Cop was from rangiora, decent enough bloke (could have pushed for careless and reg/wof 1 day over) so i have a bit to be thankful for.I did the pull over straight away yes sir thing, i think that put the careless/reg/wof thing to bed , said he clocked me at 165 but couldnt lock me in for a couple of secs and by then scrubbed a bit off.Heaps of cops up that way, can never travel from kaikoura to ch/ch without seeing one and usually 2 on the open road, such a nice day for ride though.They pick on that area.He even let me ride bike home when he could of sent me walking.Might put on a suit and try and get the 6 months down to 3. cheers

[canarlee]

ok you asked for help/advice, look at the link below (yes i know its a uk based website) they specialise in trying to get people off of speeding tickets!

it might give you an idea of how to get around technicalities, etc.



http://www.pepipoo.com/

[onearmedbandit]

just outta greta valley, so a long way from ch/ch.Cop was from rangiora, decent enough bloke (could have pushed for careless and reg/wof 1 day over) so i have a bit to be thankful for.I did the pull over straight away yes sir thing, i think that put the careless/reg/wof thing to bed , said he clocked me at 165 but couldnt lock me in for a couple of secs and by then scrubbed a bit off.Heaps of cops up that way, can never travel from kaikoura to ch/ch without seeing one and usually 2 on the open road, such a nice day for ride though.They pick on that area.He even let me ride bike home when he could of sent me walking.Might put on a suit and try and get the 6 months down to 3. cheers

Yes, my last run in with the law was in that exact area, 167 I think. Unfortunately I didn't happen across such a nice representitive of the police force. I won't go into to detail but my bike and I made it home that night. Luckily taking into account the road/traffic/light conditions at the time the judge gave me the lightest punishment.

[ynot slow]

Only good thing is when you are through from judge and sentencing,the bailiff wil ask you if you can afford to pay now ,say nope and spread payments over time,best interest bearing account out,if your working will take minimum of $50 per week (was for me 7yrs ago),will come out of your wages not bank account too,i.e will go straight to court fines befor you see it via your pay clerk.If you were doing under 140km you have to pay it within 2 months and would be around $500 instant,this way you pay it off,but get stung court costs to do it,mind you at 153km,why not keep going the cops give up if it gets dangerous,no i'm not condoning doing a runner,but the brain dead boy racers know it and try it on.

[bucket boy]

mate of mine got caught on his 07 repsol on thursday back roads of edgecumbe 158k second offence stopped straight away walking for him get the ring to go down and ride scooter home for him

[Grahameeboy]

With all due respect, I just gotta say - you're an idiot.

On a 125, agreed........

[Grahameeboy]

Depends on cop I guess....on a recent KB ride one of us got pinged at 210k and got a little chat and he was away..................

[The Pastor]

Also add on $130 court costs on top of the heavy fine you are about to receive.

I guess you will get mighty fit with all the walking you are about to do over the next few months.

Loss of license also means no car driving as well.

Depending on how long you loose it for, ONLY after 28 days can you apply for a work license...
Chat to speedie about this, as he knows the ins and outs on this one.
To get it costs heaps of money.


I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!


Anything up to $1000 in fines and a further 3-6 months suspension depending on how well you grovel and what kind of mood the magistrate or JP is in.
Good attitude to it though, remember don't feed the trolls!
Good luck


Where abouts did you get pinged mate?

/edit - I've been done for similar, and a bit more. Never been lucky enough to avoid a charge of dangerous driving, well except when I was younger. In those cases I got about $570 fines plus 6mths loss of license.

This is what will happen if you do as I say.

1.) fine $700
2.) court costs $30
3.) 50 demerits effective as soon as the verdict has passed.

This is how to achieve the above, which is the cheapest and quickest option.

Write a letter to the court registrar saying something like

"I admit a plea of guilty to the charge of exceeding the speed limit,

please take into account the lack of dangerous or careless charges, my driving record (if it is pretty ok), the fact i have already lost my licence for 1 month and conditions of the road being empty etc etc

I have learned my lesson and will try to obey all road rules and laws from now on."

If you send this in when you get your summons, your court costs will be $30 instead of $130 and you won't have to turn up to court.

Oh and if you sell something to pay your fines, put the money in a savings account and pay them back $10 a week because the fine is interest free and you can be earning money instead of giving it away.

Good luck, if you need any help give me a PM ive done this before. or post on here.

[bell]

:niceone:

I shouldn't be laughing at your plight but I can't help myself sorry.

Trackday next time perhaps zelto?

[DUCATI*HARD]

hold it on next time!!!

[Edbear]

"" but thanks for your insightful comments.



Well, this is KB...:innocent:

[Edbear]

, remember don't feed the trolls!


But this is KB...:yes:

[zelto]

"hold it on next time!!!"
close thing in that 3 second decision window, area has no side roads of any consequence, cheviot just up the road with local cop.There was a bridge 2 k up the road with a waste area, but hell i thought odds are against it.Great one for the grandkids though if you can pull it off!!
Whats the damage if you dont win that race. 12 months , 2 grand?

[Edbear]

"hold it on next time!!!"... Whats the damage if you dont win that race. 12 months , 2 grand?


Death, or injury...? :innocent:Well, at least this way you get to fight, (or ride...), another day.:sunny:

[DUCATI*HARD]

"hold it on next time!!!"
close thing in that 3 second decision window, area has no side roads of any consequence, cheviot just up the road with local cop.There was a bridge 2 k up the road with a waste area, but hell i thought odds are against it.Great one for the grandkids though if you can pull it off!!
Whats the damage if you dont win that race. 12 months , 2 grand?

YOUR HOLDING IT ON AT 150....YOU MITE AS WELL HOLD IT ON SOME MORE!!!

[Mr. Peanut]

so just to get that straight, if i get on here to ask what i may expect in the way of fines etc.., i should just expect several "haha that will learn you, speeding is wrong dont you know", naughty boy comments from a couple of wannabes!Instead of an idea of the actual fine etc.. I thought this forum was about bikers helping bikers.

This is an open forum, expect open commentary.

Sorry about your situtation :(

[Krusti]

hold it on next time!!!

Hahahaha......yeah hold it on.....Reckless is a good charge....apart from that I purchased a wrecked bike years ago from a guy who ran, crashed into a van, killed the lady and was in jail. Worth the risk?

[RantyDave]

Whats the damage if you dont win that race. 12 months , 2 grand?
You get smeared across the side of a bridge and sit in hospital for six months. So, right decision.

Beyond this I can't help. Bummer, man.

Dave

[Renegade]

in yesterdays tauranga paper a guy was doin 157kph i think it was and got 3 months disqual and $800, his mate was doin 190kph and got 6 months and $800 and they both got told they were dumb asses!!














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[Whynot]

so just to get that straight, if i get on here to ask what i may expect in the way of fines etc.., i should just expect several "haha that will learn you, speeding is wrong dont you know", naughty boy comments from a couple of wannabes!Instead of an idea of the actual fine etc.. I thought this forum was about bikers helping bikers.

yep thats pretty much bang on.
The PC Brigade is strong with this forum :Police:

[Krusti]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

Then again, I have known JPs to hand down fines less than those for maximum instant fine, you never know your luck.

[Whynot]

You get smeared across the side of a bridge and sit in hospital for six months. So, right decision.

Beyond this I can't help. Bummer, man.

Dave

No thats the damage if you crash.

Crashing and getting caught by the cops for speeding are actually different things. :whocares:

[zelto]

zooooooommmmm

[bull]

If youre lucky youll get the same as the guy(middle aged, caucasion, very polite) on Motorway Patrol did last week, clocked at 160km/h in his recently modified WRX, they were road testing it. He got instant 28 days suspension then $950 fines, 50??? Demerit Points and $130 court costs - but no 3 month or six month DQ.
Cop must have thought he was going through midlife crisis.

[zelto]

zoooommmmm

[zelto]

"This is an open forum, expect open commentary"



i will try not to dislike smartass comments in future,thanks for the reminder/repremand

[Whynot]

"This is an open forum, expect open commentary"

"open" is a relative term sometimes ....

[zelto]

in yesterdays tauranga paper a guy was doin 157kph i think it was and got 3 months disqual and $800, his mate was doin 190kph and got 6 months and $800 and they both got told they were dumb asses!!

cheers renegade, if i tell judge i allready know i am dumbass, ya rekon he give me 1 month disql

[Delphinus]

If you're running away from cops and bin it... Are you still insured?

[jafar]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!

You could try telling the judge that you have only just got the bike & thought the speedo was in miles per hour :innocent:

[Whynot]

You could try telling the judge that you have only just got the bike & thought the speedo was in miles per hour :innocent:

how does that work?

"Sorry your honour, I thought I was only doing 153 mph"

[jafar]

how does that work?

"Sorry your honour, I thought I was only doing 153 mph"

nooo 153k is only 95 miles per hour , under the 100 mark on the speedo..... therefore as you were unused to the bike you hadn't realised the mistake.
:rockon:

[scumdog]

Sounds like you were lucky enough to meet a cop that was reasonable - and you in turn seem like you have a reasonable attitude too..
Hope the JPs/Judge keeps that theme going.
Good luck my man!:Punk:

[ZeroIndex]

Where abouts did you get pinged mate?

/edit - I've been done for similar, and a bit more. Never been lucky enough to avoid a charge of dangerous driving, well except when I was younger. In those cases I got about $570 fines plus 6mths loss of license.
was that because you only one hand on the handlebars? :dodge::killingme had to ask...

[dogsnbikes]

Best of luck I was stopped doing 145+ but lucky to just escape with a $170 fine but I had a good cop in a good mood and I was happy to take the ticket he gave me hell I thought I would be walking to be honest

[Boob Johnson]

If you're running away from cops and bin it... Are you still insured?Good quesion Jake :yes:

I suspect not as you would more than likely be speeding :innocent:



You could try telling the judge that you have only just got the bike & thought the speedo was in miles per hour :innocent:lol nice thought but you would be insulting the judges intelligences so that's not really in damage control mode



Sounds like you were lucky enough to meet a cop that was reasonable - and you in turn seem like you have a reasonable attitude too..
Hope the JPs/Judge keeps that theme going.
Good luck my man!:Punk:Yeah & if you do continue that theme it will go along way. Many moons ago I got busted doing 170Km/h in a car. All the conditions were perfect, the car was a soopted up sports car, very suited to the task, the roads were clear of cars (10pm on a Sunday night). It was a real nice piece of road, straight for miles with very gentle corners etc and very dry....anyway, I passed a cop doin 170 (slowing down too I was) and I pulled over, sat on the bonnet and waited for him. He was well impressed I didn't run & was very appreciative. I was polite to him, we chatted about the car (he was interested in what work had been done to it etc) so I showed him under the hood. He wrote out the ticket and I said thank you and have a good night. When I got to court I wore a suit, I stood there with my hands behind my back and my head down (not too far down) but enough to look full of remorse. They read out the charge & asked if I had anything to say for myself, I looked up and said "there is no excuse for what I did your honour". They fluffed on a bit more and once again asked the same question. I repeated the same and added that I was very sorry that I was taking up the courts valuable time with my senseless act.

At that time (1996) the max instant fine was $490 (51Km'h over any posted limit & your up for a lot more than that + loss of licence). I got ordered to pay $350 + $90 court costs & made to resit the theory side of my licence.............that's it. Part of there lenience was due to the fact that I pulled over quickly and was not only polite to the police officer but showed respect to the system in court. It goes along way :yes:


The funny part was I failed the theory & was unable to re sit that for two weeks, so I actually lost it for those two weeks lol :innocent:


All the best with the courts & remember your body language & clothing will speak volumes. You get only one chance at first impressions & it really isn't hard to stand out from the usually bafoons that fill our courts

[Slicksta]

On a 125, agreed........

Yes carver im sure you do alot of runners on your bike :yes:

[Grahameeboy]

It would not be the speed, it would be the 'unreasonable care' clause that they would throw at you......in practice they have to prove 'Wrecklessness' so that would be easy.

[heathen]

Good quesion Jake :yes:

I suspect not as you would more than likely be speeding :innocent:


lol nice thought but you would be insulting the judges intelligences so that's not really in damage control mode


Yeah & if you do continue that theme it will go along way. Many moons ago I got busted doing 170Km/h in a car. All the conditions were perfect, the car was a soopted up sports car, very suited to the task, the roads were clear of cars (10pm on a Sunday night). It was a real nice piece of road, straight for miles with very gentle corners etc and very dry....anyway, I passed a cop doin 170 (slowing down too I was) and I pulled over, sat on the bonnet and waited for him. He was well impressed I didn't run & was very appreciative. I was polite to him, we chatted about the car (he was interested in what work had been done to it etc) so I showed him under the hood. He wrote out the ticket and I said thank you and have a good night. When I got to court I wore a suit, I stood there with my hands behind my back and my head down (not too far down) but enough to look full of remorse. They read out the charge & asked if I had anything to say for myself, I looked up and said "there is no excuse for what I did your honour". They fluffed on a bit more and once again asked the same question. I repeated the same and added that I was very sorry that I was taking up the courts valuable time with my senseless act.

At that time (1996) the max instant fine was $490 (51Km'h over any posted limit & your up for a lot more than that + loss of licence). I got ordered to pay $350 + $90 court costs & made to resit the theory side of my licence.............that's it. Part of there lenience was due to the fact that I pulled over quickly and was not only polite to the police officer but showed respect to the system in court. It goes along way :yes:


The funny part was I failed the theory & was unable to re sit that for two weeks, so I actually lost it for those two weeks lol :innocent:


All the best with the courts & remember your body language & clothing will speak volumes. You get only one chance at first impressions & it really isn't hard to stand out from the usually bafoons that fill our courts


Well, my first time in court was about 16 years ago when I was an irresponsible teenager and got done for drink driving. I was shitting myself as I got all dressed up in my tidiest threads and sat in court amongst all the local mongrel mob members, I must have stuck out like a sore thumb dressed in my Sundays best and all....I sat there for about 3 hours, listening to the fines getting handed down to those before me.....$300 fine, 6 months loss, $350 6 months loss, most of these were for people 2 or 3 times the legal limit....
Finally it was my turn and I was feeling a bit better about things because I was only 411ml/ls and the limit was 400ml/ls...(or something like that).......................WELL!.....The judge took one look at me then asked if I was employed....yes I said.....he then had the gall to ask how much money I made...I was lost for words, he then proceeded to dish out a long winded lecture before finally declaring...........$900 fine, 9 months loss of license....

My advice to you, show remorse, acknowledge you made an error in judgment, dress in rags and look unemployable....

[Rashika]

This is what will happen if you do as I say.

1.) fine $700
2.) court costs $30
3.) 50 demerits effective as soon as the verdict has passed.

This is how to achieve the above, which is the cheapest and quickest option.

Write a letter to the court registrar saying something like

"I admit a plea of guilty to the charge of exceeding the speed limit,

please take into account the lack of dangerous or careless charges, my driving record (if it is pretty ok), the fact i have already lost my licence for 1 month and conditions of the road being empty etc etc

I have learned my lesson and will try to obey all road rules and laws from now on."

If you send this in when you get your summons, your court costs will be $30 instead of $130 and you won't have to turn up to court.

Oh and if you sell something to pay your fines, put the money in a savings account and pay them back $10 a week because the fine is interest free and you can be earning money instead of giving it away.

Good luck, if you need any help give me a PM ive done this before. or post on here.
You know for once I think I agree with renegade master... write a letter and be polite, it may just save you a bit by not wasting the courts time.
Bummer you got caught... but it is all in the luck of the draw, we all speed from time to time, and should just accept the consequences as you have. Good luck, hope it works out at only 3 months for you ;)

[Boob Johnson]

My advice to you, show remorse, acknowledge you made an error in judgment, dress in rags and look unemployable....LMFAO!!! Heathen, had a good ol giggle at that one :2thumbsup

That's pretty unlucky mate.

[caesius]

Well, my first time in court was about 16 years ago when I was an irresponsible teenager and got done for drink driving. I was shitting myself as I got all dressed up in my tidiest threads and sat in court amongst all the local mongrel mob members, I must have stuck out like a sore thumb dressed in my Sundays best and all....I sat there for about 3 hours, listening to the fines getting handed down to those before me.....$300 fine, 6 months loss, $350 6 months loss, most of these were for people 2 or 3 times the legal limit....
Finally it was my turn and I was feeling a bit better about things because I was only 411ml/ls and the limit was 400ml/ls...(or something like that).......................WELL!.....The judge took one look at me then asked if I was employed....yes I said.....he then had the gall to ask how much money I made...I was lost for words, he then proceeded to dish out a long winded lecture before finally declaring...........$900 fine, 9 months loss of license....

My advice to you, show remorse, acknowledge you made an error in judgment, dress in rags and look unemployable....

So the next Mongrel Mobs members would have been given lesser fines because they couldn't pay? Senseless. What a sad socialist society we have.

[Mekk]

Slightly off topic but I couldn't help but notice the differences between this and Sanx's thread.

This guy says he wasn't riding carelessly yet admits fault and I don't see any of the gang from Sanx's leaping to his defence about the speed limit etc. They say that speed doesn't matter so what's the difference between 12k's over the limit and 53?

Just a gentle observation.

[justsomeguy]

Slightly off topic but I couldn't help but notice the differences between this and Sanx's thread.

This guy says he wasn't riding carelessly yet admits fault and I don't see any of the gang from Sanx's leaping to his defence about the speed limit etc. They say that speed doesn't matter so what's the difference between 12k's over the limit and 53?

Just a gentle observation.

Since Zelto is new, he probably doesn't have as many sympathisers, KB believes if a guy is well known he can speed, do anything. Newbies usually get red repped and treated with less camaraderie.

[justsomeguy]

"hold it on next time!!!"
close thing in that 3 second decision window, area has no side roads of any consequence, cheviot just up the road with local cop.There was a bridge 2 k up the road with a waste area, but hell i thought odds are against it.Great one for the grandkids though if you can pull it off!!
Whats the damage if you dont win that race. 12 months , 2 grand?

I believe you will get treated like a criminal unless proven innocent. Most people run as they want to get away from the location of the criminal act they recently convicted or they wish to hurriedly transport their illicit materials.

Then you'd probably never get insurance for yoinks, you'd fail any decent employment reference check. You may have issues visiting places like the Useless of Arse, etc...

You're grandkids if you have some, will think you're a loser, if they find out, as will your friends.

"I successfully did a runner"- cool man, awesome eh, grunt, grunt...

"Damn I got pinged" - What? How could you do such a thing, have you thought that my daughter, mother, pet beetle, may have been on the road, you should be ashamed...hypocritical crap, hypocritical waffle...

[Mekk]

Since Zelto is new, he probably doesn't have as many sympathisers, KB believes if a guy is well know he can speed, do anything. Newbies usually get red repped and treated with less camaraderie.

Ah, thanks. That clears a few things up.

[Sanx]

Slightly off topic but I couldn't help but notice the differences between this and Sanx's thread.

This guy says he wasn't riding carelessly yet admits fault and I don't see any of the gang from Sanx's leaping to his defence about the speed limit etc. They say that speed doesn't matter so what's the difference between 12k's over the limit and 53?

Just a gentle observation.

Probably because the sanctimonious holier-than-thou hypocritical speed Nazis haven't appeared on this thread spelling out their fairy-tale prophecies of wanton destruction should someone dare to exceed an arbitrary bureacrat-imposed speed limit. Of which, I seem to remember, you are one.

it also might be that the purpose behind Zelto's post was completely different; I was whining about being pinged for 12k over the limit, and Zelto was asking what happens and what he can expect for 53k over the limit. Unlike my thread, Zelto was not questioning the merits or otherwise of issuing tickets for speeding.

Want me to carry on, or has my point sunk in yet?

[ZeroIndex]

Probably because the sanctimonious holier-than-thou hypocritical speed Nazis haven't appeared on this thread spelling out their fairy-tale prophecies of wanton destruction should someone dare to exceed an arbitrary bureacrat-imposed speed limit. Of which, I seem to remember, you are one.

it also might be that the purpose behind Zelto's post was completely different; I was whining about being pinged for 12k over the limit, and Zelto was asking what happens and what he can expect for 53k over the limit. Unlike my thread, Zelto was not questioning the merits or otherwise of issuing tickets for speeding.

Want me to carry on, or has my point sunk in yet?
Hitcher, just an observation, but is that 71 posts to Godwin's Law? Is it?

[Sanx]

Hitcher, just an observation, but is that 71 posts to Godwin's Law? Is it?

Be careful about quoting Godwin's Law, my young friend ... unless you want to find yourself defending an accusation made out in Reason magazine concerning its misuse.

[rwh]

nooo 153k is only 95 miles per hour , under the 100 mark on the speedo..... therefore as you were unused to the bike you hadn't realised the mistake.
:rockon:

Hmm. There's no way a speedo in either km/h or mph could read 153 while you're riding legally. So you'd either have to say you thought the speed [b]limit[/] was in mph while your speedo was in km/h, or that you were thoroughly confused about the conversion thing, which seems to be your case ...

[Edit: with a bit of playing around with the Google calculator, your best bet for claiming an odd speedo might be that it reads in angstroms per nanosecond (or decimetres per second, which is the same thing), which would give you 55 km/h. But they might not believe you.]

Richard

[Big Dave]

Well Mr Zelto - I feel for you. A mere twist of the wrist a might too long in 3rd gear and it's grief, and then blanket judgments on here.

If I were in your situation - and gawd knows I've been close - i would engage the services of the best and most experienced firm of solicitors I could afford and follow their advice.

[jafar]

Hmm. There's no way a speedo in either km/h or mph could read 153 while you're riding legally. So you'd either have to say you thought the speed [b]limit[/] was in mph while your speedo was in km/h, or that you were thoroughly confused about the conversion thing, which seems to be your case ...

[Edit: with a bit of playing around with the Google calculator, your best bet for claiming an odd speedo might be that it reads in angstroms per nanosecond (or decimetres per second, which is the same thing), which would give you 55 km/h. But they might not believe you.]

Richard


If you are reading a MPH speedo @ 95 your speed in KPH is about 153. I'm not confused @ all :Punk:
As for thinking the speed limit is 100 MPH then getting pinged @ 153 KPH you would still be under the limit ... 100 MPH = 160 KPH :dodge:

[Mekk]

Probably because the sanctimonious holier-than-thou hypocritical speed Nazis haven't appeared on this thread spelling out their fairy-tale prophecies of wanton destruction should someone dare to exceed an arbitrary bureacrat-imposed speed limit. Of which, I seem to remember, you are one.

That's quite a title, not sure how it'd look on my CV.

Regardless, you taking a discussion thread personally is not of my concern.



it also might be that the purpose behind Zelto's post was completely different; I was whining about being pinged for 12k over the limit, and Zelto was asking what happens and what he can expect for 53k over the limit. Unlike my thread, Zelto was not questioning the merits or otherwise of issuing tickets for speeding.

Want me to carry on, or has my point sunk in yet?

I was comparing the attitudes and opinions towards that of the OP, not the question itself. Rafiki said it best: "Look....haaaarder."

But by all means carry on, that first sentence was pretty entertaining I must say.

[rwh]

If you are reading a MPH speedo @ 95 your speed in KPH is about 153. I'm not confused @ all :Punk:
Ah well, if you actually had a mph speedo, that might be different. You were suggesting claiming you thought you had one (implying you didn't). Of course, if someone actually checks your speedo you're screwed.


As for thinking the speed limit is 100 MPH then getting pinged @ 153 KPH you would still be under the limit ... 100 MPH = 160 KPH :dodge:

If you think the limit is 100mph (and you're doing close to that) and it's actually 100km/h, then you're still well over ...

Richard

[heathen]

Well, my first time in court was about 16 years ago when I was an irresponsible teenager and got done for drink driving. I was shitting myself as I got all dressed up in my tidiest threads and sat in court amongst all the local mongrel mob members, I must have stuck out like a sore thumb dressed in my Sundays best and all....I sat there for about 3 hours, listening to the fines getting handed down to those before me.....$300 fine, 6 months loss, $350 6 months loss, most of these were for people 2 or 3 times the legal limit....
Finally it was my turn and I was feeling a bit better about things because I was only 411ml/ls and the limit was 400ml/ls...(or something like that).......................WELL!.....The judge took one look at me then asked if I was employed....yes I said.....he then had the gall to ask how much money I made...I was lost for words, he then proceeded to dish out a long winded lecture before finally declaring...........$900 fine, 9 months loss of license....

My advice to you, show remorse, acknowledge you made an error in judgment, dress in rags and look unemployable....


LMFAO!!! Heathen, had a good ol giggle at that one :2thumbsup

That's pretty unlucky mate.

:wari: Glad to add a laugh to your day.....
I was gutted at the time, but from that court appearance and a few others in the years after that I have learnt alot, especially that it's not beneath some police officers to lie through their teeth, and to dispute EVERYTHING!!!...
I was pretty naive as a youth and thought that the courts and law in this country were fair and just.....:nono: :clap:

[jafar]

Ah well, if you actually had a mph speedo, that might be different. You were suggesting claiming you thought you had one (implying you didn't). Of course, if someone actually checks your speedo you're screwed.

But he's screwed now :sick:


If you think the limit is 100mph (and you're doing close to that) and it's actually 100km/h, then you're still well over ...

Richard

Close but not quite, I do still have some grip on the reality that 100k is the limit.
Having said that, nothing is illegal so long as you don't get caught :innocent:

[Patrick]

If you're running away from cops and bin it... Are you still insured?

Nope... committing offence using your vehicle = no insurance.

Clean record helps... remorse helps too... some good advice here...

Also just to throw a spanner into the works, it depends on the court in your area too, as I have seen people turn up tidy and get treated well with minimal fines because of them tidying up for court, then the next day, they get hammered with big fines because they look like they can afford it. A fickle bunch, them judges/JP's...

[DUCATI*HARD]

Hahahaha......yeah hold it on.....Reckless is a good charge....apart from that I purchased a wrecked bike years ago from a guy who ran, crashed into a van, killed the lady and was in jail. Worth the risk?

WHO SEZ YOUR GONNA GET CAUGHT?,LEAVE HIM IN YOUR WAKE MATE,APART FROM THAT,IVE SOLD A 1100GSXR TO A GUY WHO OWNED IT FOR A WEEK,AN OLD LADY DRIVING A CAR AND TRAILER DONE A U TURN IN FRONT OF HIM,HE HIT HER AND HE DIED ON IMPACT,HE JUST HAD KIDS,AND HIS PARTNER HAD JUST LET HIM GET A BIKE....SO WHO DO YOU FEEL SORRY FOR NOW?THE BIKER OR THE LADY?

[Grahameeboy]

Nope... committing offence using your vehicle = no insurance.

...

Not technically correct as a lot of accidents covered by Insurance have committed an offence.

Failing to Take Reasonable Care is the exclusion and 'Wrecklessness' has to be established which in a 'Runner' situation would be easy to establish.

Of course I am just being picky...your are of course correct Patrick...:innocent:

[SVboy]

I have been really surprised by some of the moralistic comments so far! That was bad luck Zelto, but you have taken a fair cop on the chin, and havent wined about it. More power to you, and hopefully the consequences wont be dire. For me, speeding seems to be a reality of bike ownership, as long as the risks are held in perspective. I know my big cop will be when and not if[and for the moralists,it could be a big bin also/later/sooner?], but I understand the risks,try to minimise them, and enjoy the freedom. This thread has reinforced my committment to get a good radar setup asap!:rockon:

[hospitalfood]

well, bummer. I would try to get out of it, radars are not all that accurate in some situations, if you can prove that you may keep your licence. they have been known to clock garage doors doing 20 km/h. I guess take it on the chin a bit, but argue that you travelled 148 ish and the radar was tricked by angle or some crap.
worth a try if you don't piss off the judge. there is info around to back up the argument.

[swbarnett]

but argue that you travelled 148 ish and the radar was tricked by angle or some crap.
You might also argue that no speedo can be more than 95% accurate and you thought you were under 150 (95% of 153 = 145). Could look too argumentative though.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Also add on $130 court costs on top of the heavy fine you are about to receive.

I guess you will get mighty fit with all the walking you are about to do over the next few months.

Loss of license also means no car driving as well.

Depending on how long you loose it for, ONLY after 28 days can you apply for a work license...
Chat to speedie about this, as he knows the ins and outs on this one.
To get it costs heaps of money.

I think that if there is no question of DUI or whatever that you can apply for a work licence immediately (but I dont know for sure). Last one I referred cost the guy ~ $1500 plus GST plus filing fees etc (I dont do that sort of work). That was cheap compared to getting sacked, which was the alternative.

[imdying]

You might also argue that no speedo can be more than 95% accurate and you thought you were under 150 (95% of 153 = 145). Could look too argumentative though.Yeah, you'd be admitting to the offence as well of course... yes Mr Judge, I wasn't doing 153, only 145 :rofl:

[swbarnett]

Yeah, you'd be admitting to the offence as well of course... yes Mr Judge, I wasn't doing 153, only 145 :rofl:
I don't think denying the offence is an option. Just thought it might help to have the speed reduced.

[Mattyc]

back in the day I got caught doing 168 on my gsxr400rr.. was by an undercover in a monaro of all things, lost license for 28days and that was it... thought the prick was trying to race me or something, didnt flick his lights on until about 160...

[Sanx]

back in the day I got caught doing 168 on my gsxr400rr.. was by an undercover in a monaro of all things, lost license for 28days and that was it... thought the prick was trying to race me or something, didnt flick his lights on until about 160...

In the UK, the not flicking the lights on until well over licence speeds has been used as a defence succesfully. Basically, it's regarded as entrapment. Don't think it'd work here though.

[jafar]

In the UK, the not flicking the lights on until well over licence speeds has been used as a defence succesfully. Basically, it's regarded as entrapment. Don't think it'd work here though.


It's worth a crack nigel :innocent:

[Toast]

I got busted for almost exactly the same thing once.

Never turned up at court.

Got $830 fine in the mail.

No loss of licence apart from the instant 28 day thing.

[Kwakajack]

I just got busted at this speed, the cop instantly suspended my licence for 28 days.I also have to go to court, the charge is just the speeding, no careless or dangerous charge on top.
Any ideas what i can expect from the judge, fine and extra loss of licence?.Over 35 years of age,I have no history of court or any big speeding fines in the past.I note the max instant fine is $630 for 50kmh over, but i was wondering if i can expect more or less (considering i have lost licence for 28 days on roadside), anyone been through similar. zelto beating the feet now, cheers!!
Mate, I would expect you to get the book thrown at you, however, here is a bit of useful advice I got as I was in a similar situation recently. Make sure you appear in court and apologise, also keep a very good lawyer on speed dial oh and really dress well for the event, that way you will have a higher chance of just getting a large fine and waiting for LTNZ to take your license. Now by way of fines, expect something between 500 and $1000 thats without court costs added. I very much doubt that the court will try and take your bike like they attempted and failed to, with me.

Good luck mate!

[delusionz]

Did I note that the guy who recommended running actually rides a 150?

:lol: :lol:

I noticed that too, I was thinking how the hell does that work? Then I saw the picture of the trail bike and it all became clear -- All fine and dandy if there happens to be a bush next to the road!

Good luck trying that with a GSX though

:lol:

[Patrick]

Failing to Take Reasonable Care is the exclusion and 'Wrecklessness' has to be established which in a 'Runner' situation would be easy to establish.

Any way out for an insurance company not having to pay will do...

[rob8888]

'Bout 5 years back I got stopped doing 153km/h in a 100 one night between Kaikoura & Blenheim. Wasn't going anywhere near that speed - maybe 125 tops.

GPS said I hadn't gone over 131 in the previous 1000km. Was clocked from over a kilometre away. Fully loaded with three givi cases etc. blah blah blah..

Anyway, to cut a long story short....wrote a letter outlining the matter (with GPS verification etc and a few other points that showed their speed was way wrong). Cops said 'tell the judge as it's going to court'.

The court case came and went without even being told (! - I was quite keen to go an represent myself too), was fined $750 in absence (but no extra loss of licence). A mate in the police force said, just pay it otherwise if you appeal the fact that you weren't told they'll likely just slap careless driving on top and go you for that too.

Pretty pissed by the whole deal:angry: Just paid it and viewed it as my contribution to the Awatere bridge replacement fund!

[Kittyhawk]

Close your eyes and ask the judge out on a date and see how it goes.:shutup:

[Boob Johnson]

Close your eyes and ask the judge out on a date and see how it goes.:shutup:Whats with you and dating of late Kitty :sunny:

[Kittyhawk]

Whats with you and dating of late Kitty :sunny:

Im single.

[Boob Johnson]

Im single.Fair enough I suppose. Im single as well, it aint easy to find someone to clean my bike :innocent:

[Kittyhawk]

Fair enough I suppose. Im single as well, it aint easy to find someone to clean my bike :innocent:

I can do the sponge bathing of ya bike, but can ya ride?

[Boob Johnson]

I can do the sponge bathing of ya bike, but can ya ride?Like the wind :innocent:

[Sanx]

I can do the sponge bathing of ya bike, but can ya ride?

Sheesh ... some chicks promise your a good time, and then bugger off the first better offer that comes along...

[Kittyhawk]

Sheesh ... some chicks promise your a good time, and then bugger off the first better offer that comes along...

That's alright honey bun, Ill see you at the drags if ya there, I'll really check out your bike :innocent: hahaha

[Sanx]

Better make sure that I'm up for a ride then. Guffaw phnar, etc.

[zelto]

The end result was...... $600 fine plus $30 court costs.No loss of licence or requirement to spank the judges wife.I ended up just sending in a semi grovelling mostly honest, letter to the judge.Thanks for the tips, especially renegade master.Now where was that radar review coloum.zelto not beatin the feet no more.

[Rashika]

The end result was...... $600 fine plus $30 court costs.No loss of licence or requirement to spank the judges wife.I ended up just sending in a semi grovelling mostly honest, letter to the judge.Thanks for the tips, especially renegade master.Now where was that radar review coloum.zelto not beatin the feet no more.

very lucky... sometimes honesty pays :yes: sometimes

[Swoop]

and 'Wrecklessness' has to be established...
Recklessness.

Or was there a crash and hence, a "wreck"?

[bert_is_evil]

Dontcha love it when someone posts an "I got caught speeding" thread and everyone pipes up to tut tut them and tell them they shouldn't be speeding and that they're an idiot for doing it and they'll be dead soon if they continue, without even knowing the context? Can anyone on this site truely say in all honesty that they never exceed the speed limit?

[Pixie]

ah well, you need to get a faster bike and run eh man...
fuck speed limits, they are for pussies, i wouldn't have stopped

The brakes on the ER6 that bad?

[BevanPT]

The end result was...... $600 fine plus $30 court costs.No loss of licence or requirement to spank the judges wife.I ended up just sending in a semi grovelling mostly honest, letter to the judge.Thanks for the tips, especially renegade master.Now where was that radar review coloum.zelto not beatin the feet no more.

Shit, I got ripped off then. Got busted doing 152km Feb 06. Flash unmarked car with 360 degree radar got me coming up behing him on the Northern Motorway. Automatic 28 day loss of licence. I wrote a letter pleading guilty (no excuse obviously) and pointed out that nice police officer specifically mentioned he didn't believe it was dangerous taking into account time of day, weather conditions and low volume of traffic. I took it on the chin and paid the fine - $700 + $30 court costs. Definitely could've spent the extra $100 bucks on something else, ie, the train trips for a month.

[_Shrek_]

Dontcha love it when someone posts an "I got caught speeding" thread and everyone pipes up to tut tut them and tell them they shouldn't be speeding and that they're an idiot for doing it and they'll be dead soon if they continue, without even knowing the context? Can anyone on this site truely say in all honesty that they never exceed the speed limit?

:slap: theres a speed limit for bikes :eek5: just goes to show you can still learn some thing new every day :yeah: even at Johns age :rofl:

[RC1]

spose im pretty chuffed at getting of ticket at 183 :nono:

[surfchick]

Dontcha love it when someone posts an "I got caught speeding" thread and everyone pipes up to tut tut them and tell them they shouldn't be speeding and that they're an idiot for doing it and they'll be dead soon if they continue, without even knowing the context? Can anyone on this site truely say in all honesty that they never exceed the speed limit?

baha true almost everyone is on the other thread listing their top speeds on public roads funnily none are under 100kph **almost everyone..the **odd clever one takes it to the track...:sunny:

[The Pastor]

you have to add 50 demerits as well ;)

[scumdog]

spose im pretty chuffed at getting of ticket at 183 :nono:
I suppose im pretty chuffed at giving a ticket for 196..:done:

[Toaster]

I suppose im pretty chuffed at giving a ticket for 196..:done:

196?! dude, thats a whopper! Where was that exactly? Must have been a beauty of a drive to catch up.

I never got to give out tickets that high... was too busy eating my fresh made doughnuts and drinking my latte.

[scumdog]

196?! dude, thats a whopper! Where was that exactly? Must have been a beauty of a drive to catch up.

I never got to give out tickets that high... was too busy eating my fresh made doughnuts and drinking my latte.

In the south of the South - nuff sed.

[Toaster]

Well lads and chicks, I have always maintained it is a complete waste of your hard earned money getting speeding fines.... and a waste of petrol when you are scrimping to survive on a tight budget (doobies, beer and KFC aren't cheap ya know).

You can always not pay your fines, accrue them up until you get arrested on warrant, then you can plead poverty.... the judge will then wipe all your fines and will give you so much community service to do that you get to watch the rust grow on your bike

or

the judge could alternatively let you spend a week or three in prison getting some seriously sweaty man-love by some 350kg dude called bubba with a terrible rash on his todger.

[ynot slow]

Well lads and chicks, I have always maintained it is a complete waste of your hard earned money getting speeding fines.... and a waste of petrol when you are scrimping to survive on a tight budget (doobies, beer and KFC aren't cheap ya know).

You can always not pay your fines, accrue them up until you get arrested on warrant, then you can plead poverty.... the judge will then wipe all your fines and will give you so much community service to do that you get to watch the rust grow on your bike

or

the judge could alternatively let you spend a week or three in prison getting some seriously sweaty man-love by some 350kg dude called bubba with a terrible rash on his todger.


Or they take ya bike.

[Delphinus]

I suppose im pretty chuffed at giving a ticket for 196..:done:

cage or bike?

[jafar]

I suppose im pretty chuffed at giving a ticket for 196..:done:


196?! dude, thats a whopper! Where was that exactly? Must have been a beauty of a drive to catch up.

I never got to give out tickets that high... was too busy eating my fresh made doughnuts and drinking my latte.


In the south of the South - nuff sed.

Racing to the donut shop were you ? :whistle:

[bmz2]

hmm,donuts, :yes:, we seem to have a hole lot of supermen out there on bikes that think they can ride at high speed , why can we not get produce a world champion, if you ride at that speed and get caught :whocares: they should take the bike and make it safe so the cruisers can take over the world, sports bike are only good for one thing, to melt down and be used to make cruisers:shutup:

[RDJ]

Zelto, glad to hear that the outcome was not so bad.

[SVboy]

Well done Zelto-good attitude=fair result. May Mr Bel be your new pillon, and as for those santimonious "open forum" do-gooders-hope ya-al live forever!:wacko: