PB Test at the Ring

[Cajun]

Just reading on the aprilia site, that Performance bike has been doing test at 'The nurburgring'

The 600 Times
4. GSX-R600K7 7:51
3. ZX-6R 7:48
2. YZF-R6 7:47
1. CBR600RR 7:44

The suprise which has poped up is the RSVR Factory
Benelli Tornado - Did not start (Blew up on the way!)
Trumpet Daytona 675 - 7:40.01
Suzuki GSX-R750K7 - 7:35.9
Aprilia RSV1000R Factory - 7:32.6
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The rider of the bikes is someone know as 'The Baron' who is an ex racer, who lives/works at the ring and does something like 10,000laps a year on the ring.

'They basically get 4 bikes all fitted with BT 002Rs and then do few warm up laps, then some quick ones the fastest is recorded as the entry. They run from the gantry just as you enter to the gantry by the exit so that everthing is equal. So far Aprilia's are doing very well with the Tuono winning the naked's as well.'

Also tested against an k7 suzuki and it was 4 secs slower than the rsvr.

Link to thread on aprilia site (http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121880)

[imdying]

Read somewhere recently that to qualify as a 'supercar', a car has to be able to lap the ring in under 8 minutes... the latest vette did it in 7:43 or 7:34 or something close.


/edit: Found this on wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercar#Performance_criteria


A popular benchmark is a lap time around the Nürburgring of under 8 minutes. There are also other tracks where supercars are being tested. Lap time tables from different racetracks are posted at fastestlaps.com.

Take that supercars!

[onearmedbandit]

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GSXR600 vid from that session.

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GSXR1000 vid.

[Two Smoker]

Well after watching that video, he definately knows his way around the track!!! But the most impressive part was going around the carousel!!! Mental!!!

[Sensei]

[QUOTE=Cajun;
The suprise which has poped up is the RSVR Factory
Benelli Tornado - Did not start (Blew up on the way!)
Trumpet Daytona 675 - 7:40.01
Suzuki GSX-R750K7 - 7:35.9
Aprilia RSV1000R Factory - 7:32.6
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So far Aprilia's are doing very well with the Tuono winning the naked's as well.'Also tested against an k7 suzuki and it was 4 secs slower than the RSVR.

Surprised ? hardly . Just speed alone doesn't cut it now adays , a Completely balanced bike is what the Japanese still haven't quite sorted yet .

[cowpoos]

ted against an k7 suzuki and it was 4 secs slower than the RSVR.

Surprised ? hardly . Just speed alone doesn't cut it now adays , a Completely balanced bike is what the Japanese still haven't quite sorted yet .


I must be coming down with some sort of illness... I agree with sensei... not with holding how good alot of euro bikes are... a jap bike with sorted suspenders is a deadly awesome machine to ride....but they come up short soooo often as stock machines!! often under sprung,badly damped...and lack of front to rear balence...a big bag of comprimise's

still hard to beat them for bang for buck though!!

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

great vid, I want to ride that circuit so bad

for me the times just highlight that there isnt much between the manufacturers in terms of performance (I mean over 7minutes of hard riding, less than 10s seperates the bikes in their respective classes), yet there is a large price seperation between jap made and euro mad bikes. If your buying a euro bike, wheres your money going???

[imdying]

Surprised ? hardly . Just speed alone doesn't cut it now adays , a Completely balanced bike is what the Japanese still haven't quite sorted yet .Ah huh... sure they have, if you want to pay for it... I'd be putting my money on the R1SP over the Aprilia.

[Toast]

Surprised ? hardly . Just speed alone doesn't cut it now adays , a Completely balanced bike is what the Japanese still haven't quite sorted yet .

Statistical significance?

What does 4 seconds difference tells us?

On a 7 and a half minute long track with variables including:
-the traffic volume and where on the track the obstacles are met (if you watch the Gixxer 600 video he's very considerate not to cut up slower riders, seldom passing in to a turn);
-rider fatigue; and
-rider errors (as much of a machine as the guy is he still missed a few apexes that possibly cost him a bit of time).

...I'd say not much.

[imdying]

7:32 for the R1 http://www.bridgetogantry.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=4&Itemid=28

Wonder what an Ohlins shod SP could do... I think Toast summed up the real differences in all these times though... or at least summed up just how many things can affect them.

[avgas]

Euro bikes do one thing perfectly,



















Look pretty
The rest they do ok.
At the end of the day japanese are mass market bikes, you are correct in saying speed and power alone are not enough - but say you take a million riders and send them all round the ring. Which marque is going to have the best average?

[xwhatsit]

great vid, I want to ride that circuit so bad

for me the times just highlight that there isnt much between the manufacturers in terms of performance (I mean over 7minutes of hard riding, less than 10s seperates the bikes in their respective classes), yet there is a large price seperation between jap made and euro mad bikes. If your buying a euro bike, wheres your money going???

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Can't believe people bother to ask this question still.

Put it like this. The performance is so close, as you say, less than 10s between them. So why buy a bike based purely on performance?

Performance is just one factor. You have styling, fit and finish, quality of materials used, and and important one -- how fun it is to ride. Also don't forget that the Euro manufacturers have much more limited production runs. On one hand this is bad, as you have a higher price, and the smaller a production run gets (at least with computers and shit like that, don't know about automotive stuff) the more manufacturing flaws seem to pop up. On the other hand the smaller production run is nice because you have a more unique/desirable bike.

A Subaru STi WRX will get around a racetrack with similar lap times to many brand-new Ferraris. Ferrari is more expensive, but think about which one is more desirable. Why?

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

<hints id="hah_hints"></hints>Can't believe people bother to ask this question still.

Put it like this. The performance is so close, as you say, less than 10s between them. So why buy a bike based purely on performance?

Performance is just one factor. You have styling, fit and finish, quality of materials used, and and important one -- how fun it is to ride. Also don't forget that the Euro manufacturers have much more limited production runs. On one hand this is bad, as you have a higher price, and the smaller a production run gets (at least with computers and shit like that, don't know about automotive stuff) the more manufacturing flaws seem to pop up. On the other hand the smaller production run is nice because you have a more unique/desirable bike.

A Subaru STi WRX will get around a racetrack with similar lap times to many brand-new Ferraris. Ferrari is more expensive, but think about which one is more desirable. Why?

It is true that emotion plays a strong part in buying behavior however euro sportsbikes represent less than 5% of new bike sales in NZ with Japanese firms dominating (Suzuki 40% market share, Honda 20%). NZ’rs prefer japanses bikes for all sorts of reasons, one of those factors is price as kiwis are notoriously prudent. Ducati and Aprillia sales barely register a blip on the radar in NZ.

I know which bikes are more desirable that is not in dispute, but I also know which ones are more relevant to us in NZ.

[imdying]

No sportsbikes of that sort of potential are really relevant to NZ (assuming you mean on the road). Aprilias and Dukes have heaps of sexy bits that you can admire when you're not riding, so I guess that makes them more relevant :D

[Matt Bleck]

That is one track i really want to ride in my life time! :yes:

[avgas]

I know which bikes are more desirable that is not in dispute, but I also know which ones are more relevant to us in NZ.
The ones that sell ridiculously quick in NZ, yet fail everywhere else in the world.
Just as some ballparks....
GB4/500, F650, Jawa350, XS1100, XJ750, GSX750, CB350/450, GSX400, 650 bonnie, Daytona, XR, XL, KLX, KDX, RG150, RGV250....
Basically if its a NZ cult bike......its relevant

[onearmedbandit]

Who gives a fuck about relevance, no disrespect intended. I used to be of the well-educated opinion that a late model thou had no relevance on the road (I hadn't ridden one, that's how I knew). After owning my thou for nearly two years now, and having owned lesser powered bikes, it would take a very big change in my life to make me not have a thou. Ride what you like, and can afford I suppose.