Why the Iraqis hate the Yanks

[Laava]

I like the bit at the end when the commentator is disgusted with the guy picking his nose! Like it's reinforcing the reason they are there in the first place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-805L9VtyQ

[Harry33]

I think the post comments say it all really.

[ManDownUnder]

I disagree.... what context was it in? On their way to a fire fight? Are they just being bastards?

We don't know... from the footage - we just don't know. And till we know their motives, how is it possible to judge their actions.

Swap the humvie for an Ambulance on the way to a 5 car accident where 10 people laying dying or bleeding. Suddenly it seems they're not being pushy enough...

[canarlee]

i have seen that vid before (not on here tho), the reason for driving like that i have been told is (by an ex marine) if they just went with the traffic flow then it is quite likely that would make tham an easier target for bombers etc, so they have to keep moving at a good pace and not stop for anything!

[Romeo]

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If anyone actually wants to get an education as to some of the reasons why America isn't so popular in the middle east, here's a good *factual* source.

<a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq.asp">The current Iraq situation</a>
- <a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/DuringSanctions.asp">Sanctions and military action against Iraq during the period following the Gulf war</a>
- <a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/Buildup.asp">US/UK Buildup for War on Iraq</a>
- <a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/PostWar.asp">Iraq—2003 onwards; War, Aftermath and Post-Saddam</a>

<a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Resources.asp#AdividedpeopleTheWestssupportfordict atorsandmonarchiesoverdemocracies">How the west controls Resources; Supporting Dictators and the Rise of Terrorism</a>

Of course there are people with differing opinions and experiences, they're free feel how they like. But unjustifiably and illogically exacting those feelings is wrong, whether they're the "good guys", or the "bad guys".

I sometimes ask Americans if the Russians did a good thing going into Afganistan in 1979, "They went to eliminate the terrorist threat". To which many say "Yeah, it was a great idea!" - Too bad their own American government was supporting the islamic "terrorists" back then, just shows how easy it is to manipulate opinions with loaded words I guess.


//edit: The dudes in the Hummer are just doing their jobs - if you don't want to get hit get the hell outa the way. At least it means good business for the Iraqi pannelbeaters!

[Steam]

Two sides to every story I guess, tune in to Fox or CNN for the American side, tune in to Al-Jazeera or Youtube for the Iraqi side.

The Haditha massacre?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-UWfJsj5U

Marines talking about how awesome it feels to kill someone... even if he was an insurgent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vERcTSqw7Ko

Army / contractors kill anyone who approaches their car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nNSovh3hYs

You loot wood, we will crush your car with our tank and laugh while doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo2U3ZqoLfw

[Harry33]

you have a good point MDU. The only question I have is to they have cameras in all there hummers or was it just a soldier shooting his own action flick or is it some sort of driver training video? Does any ex-soldiers know if these hummers have onboard cameras?

I always wonder why people post these things on youtube because with out the full story people are left to their imaginations.

[ManDownUnder]

you have a good point MDU. The only question I have is to they have cameras in all there hummers or was it just a soldier shooting his own action flick or is it some sort of driver training video? Does any ex-soldiers know if these hummers have onboard cameras?

I always wonder why people post these things on youtube because with out the full story people are left to their imaginations.

Yeah I dunno. I imagine they'd have cameras everywhere for intel if nothing else.

I do like the other news sources though - again... to get the other side of the story. Amasing how one side sounds so radically different from the other.

[Harry33]

i have seen that vid before (not on here tho), the reason for driving like that i have been told is (by an ex marine) if they just went with the traffic flow then it is quite likely that would make tham an easier target for bombers etc, so they have to keep moving at a good pace and not stop for anything!

I wish I read that before my last post. lol. That sounds about right after watching some of those ambushing videos. :)

[Swoop]

It's hard to tell if Iraqi drivers are better or worse than kiwis.
On one issue, they are the same - complete inability to use rear vision mirrors.

A mate in Afganistan is working security. Nothing slower than 100Mph and straddling the white line to keep away from roadside bombs.

[terbang]

And till we know their motives, how is it possible to judge their actions.



The origional motive was weapons of mass destruction followed closely by links to terrorist organisation.
No evidence of that yet, but a lot of people have died in the process. Difficult not to judge their actions in the light of so many unfounded excuses.

[ManDownUnder]

The origional motive was weapons of mass destruction followed closely by links to terrorist organisation.
No evidence of that yet, but a lot of people have died in the process,

LOL nice troll but I'm sure the people in the Humvee weren't directly involved in the first decision...

[Laava]

The point is tho' no matter what the reason is for driving like this, they are doing it in someone elses country. Bound to cause massive resentment. There will be compassionate soldiers amongst them, but they will always be seen as outsiders at best.

[terbang]

LOL nice troll but I'm sure the people in the Humvee weren't directly involved in the first decision...

But still undeniably involved.

[ManDownUnder]

But still undeniably involved.

LOL fuck off. They're as involved in that as you are in the press releases Andy Knackerhead makes from his LTNZ pulpit. Don't gimme that shite

[terbang]

Pffft go back and put your head back in that hole in the sand where it just came from.

[ManDownUnder]

Pffft go back and put your head back in that hole in the sand where it just came from.

Na - if you're going to insult me at least give it a decent go. Jrandom's good if you're stuck for things to say.

[terbang]

Na - if you're going to insult me at least give it a decent go. Jrandom's good if you're stuck for things to say.

Hang on, take a read back, you shout "fuck off" at me and I'll tell ya to stick ya head back in the sand. Alrighty.

[ManDownUnder]

Hang on, take a read back, you shout "fuck off" at me and I'll tell ya to stick ya head back in the sand. Alrighty.

Oh sorry - I'd thought we'd progressed beyond that. Quite right.

As you were

[Steam]

PMCs have it tough :(

Yeah, and I hear the pay is really really crap too. :laugh:

[ambler]

There is another vid where they drive a tank over some poor guy's car for no particular (relevant) reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJC1unnuwds
a great way to make friends...

[Steam]

There is another vid where they drive a tank over some poor guy's car for no particular (relevant) reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJC1unnuwds
a great way to make friends...
I already posted that one above. They were stealing wood. Very very serious crime over there. Punishable by crushing.

[SPman]

Do you need a reason to hate yanks?

[Romeo]

There is another vid where they drive a tank over some poor guy's car for no particular (relevant) reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJC1unnuwds
a great way to make friends...

I heard that the Americans are often forced to destroy unusually placed or abandoned cars to stop them from getting nicked by the insurgents. I mean, even if you're going to blow yourself up I still think your missus will have something against you fragging her Camry.

They also get the MPs to ride around and burn roadkill, those crafty Resistance fighters will put IEDs in the strangest places ;s.

[SARGE]

when driving in a hot area .. you DO NOT stop or slow down .. the direct risk of roadside IED's or RPG's/ Snipers, etc is too great


anyone who has a problem with yanks can explain it to me.. im always happy to listen to someone face to face .. but if you just flex behind your keyboard you aint shit


youd be amazed at the anti-American shit that gets spouted offhand in public until i bring my accent into the conversation ....

then its all.." im sorry sir .. i didnt mean to offend .."


pussies

[terbang]

youd be amazed at the anti-American shit that gets spouted offhand in public

So why do you think that is so, there sarge? Perhaps the public is stupid?

[Delerium]

I think it might have more to do with how involved and publicised the US is in the world stage. Everything everywhere has its share of dropkicks. Because the US is so involved it just gets publicised. If you try to say that whatever organisation you belong to doesnt have its share of plonkers your kidding yourself.

[scumdog]

So why do you think that is so, there sarge? Perhaps the public is stupid?

You said a mouthful there - full of 'yeah, yeah' raving slack-jawed mouthbreathers that waffle on without having read or seen a single fact....

"I saw it on the TV/paper so it must be right" - mwahahahahaha!

[ManDownUnder]

So why do you think that is so, there sarge? Perhaps the public is stupid?

Dare I get involved again... perhaps it's because "Yanks" al all judged by the televised actions of a few (and again I raise the liklihood the initial video clip was shot and presented out of context).

Just like Russians are commy bastards, and Jews are all lying theiving low lifes. Propoganda's a wonderful thing...

[Kickaha]

"I saw it on the TV/paper so it must be right" - mwahahahahaha!


Wasn't it on TV and the paper that the Iraquis had WMDs?

it must have been right:yes:

[SARGE]

So why do you think that is so, there sarge? Perhaps the public is stupid?

pack of racist cunts ..


funny the all get real apologetic when i let them know im one of the 'bloody yanks'..


could be im a scary bastard?

[Laava]

pack of racist cunts ..


funny the all get real apologetic when i let them know im one of the 'bloody yanks'..


could be im a scary bastard?
People often back down in front of big aggressive people.
Doesn't mean they're right.

[SARGE]

People often back down in front of big aggressive people.
Doesn't mean they're right.

gosh man .. sorry if standing up and saying something when my race is being attacked offends you or makes me 'aggressive' .. i guess i just dont fit into the meek category and have never been accused of being PC


ill practice averting my gaze and looking at the ground in front of a mirror so i dont hurt anyones feelings from now on


tell me a Maori wouldnt say something .. or a PI wouldnt kick your ass if someone told a coconut joke when they didnt see him..

[Laava]

Hey, not trying to offend you guy. Just making a point. I try not to say things that I wouldn't say to someones face. I'm sure you wouldn't think I was a cunt if you met me, well I hope not!

[SARGE]

Hey, not trying to offend you guy. Just making a point. I try not to say things that I wouldn't say to someones face. I'm sure you wouldn't think I was a cunt if you met me, well I hope not!

prolly not bro.. but the Yank-Bashing gets right up my nose .. god forbid anyone say anything derogatory about a Muslim.. the kind, peace loving race they are ( ive seen it firsthand in some of the major shitholes of the Middle East)

[Quasievil]

I have spent time in the States and I think north Americans are awesome people, I have also spent a bit of time in the Middle East (every country except Iraq, Have been to Iran) and I think they are awesome people.
Of all the countries I have been to (a hell of alot) I have never felt safer than I was in the middle east (for the most part Saudi being the exception), the people are incredible and to be honest go way above what I would ever expect from a westerner the level of hospitality is amazing they go out of their way to make you comfortable and welcome...............here is the point, people on this planet speak in generalisations to often in a unqualified manner. At the end of the day people like you and me are the being caught up in a struggle due to politics and the control of resourses, its not fair that a minority can control so many and cause so much suffering.............but welcome to the world we live in I guess, In saying that in my mind the USA has alot to answer for in relation to its political intervention in the middle east, I find it disgraceful actually, however its wrong to hate americans, hate those in the power and if you have to hate someone point the finger at the idiot in charge namely bush !! or infact Hate the idiot in charge of Iran, or the dead idiot that ran Iraq..........hate those people they are the terrorists, the rest are blinded by propaganda or are simply victims in a stupid dollar driven agenda of one sought or another.

[Grahameeboy]

Sorry but crushing that guys car just for looting wood is not on.......

[SARGE]

Sorry but crushing that guys car just for looting wood is not on.......

i wouldnt need a reason to crush a cage ...

[Laava]

Very well put Quasi. I also have spent a short time in the middle east, some not so good, mostly a good experience. Unfortunately, for your average Iraqi, their 1st impression of their invaders is going to be formed by GW Bush, and then by their soldiers. A less than ideal situation. Kind of the same as the yanks thinking that all middle eastern people are terrorists. It is a NO win situation people and despite what people say about Aunty Helen, at least she didn't get sucked into sending our forces there. I understand fully the whole driving through traffic and evading the threat of terror from the Army standpoint, but the locals suffer from exactly that. They don't have the privilege of travel, or seeing how westerners really live. They don't understand how you can live in a non religious based govt. All they see is the "infidel" coming in and taking charge. Who wouldn't hate that? I feel sorry for them and all the suckers who have been ordered there, and can offer no solution to the problem. That's war isn't it?

[SARGE]

Very well put Quasi. I also have spent a short time in the middle east, some not so good, mostly a good experience. Unfortunately, for your average Iraqi, their 1st impression of their invaders is going to be formed by GW Bush, and then by their soldiers. A less than ideal situation. Kind of the same as the yanks thinking that all middle eastern people are terrorists. It is a NO win situation people and despite what people say about Aunty Helen, at least she didn't get sucked into sending our forces there. I understand fully the whole driving through traffic and evading the threat of terror from the Army standpoint, but the locals suffer from exactly that. They don't have the privilege of travel, or seeing how westerners really live. They don't understand how you can live in a non religious based govt. All they see is the "infidel" coming in and taking charge. Who wouldn't hate that? I feel sorry for them and all the suckers who have been ordered there, and can offer no solution to the problem. That's war isn't it?

3 of those " suckers are my nephews and niece ..


all voulenteered

[oldrider]

Just imagine, one day as one of these religious fanatics starts to pull the sharp edge of his blade across your throat, the sudden realisation of

"fuck, George was right after-all!"

A moment of panic!

Followed by a brief pain and a strange gurgling noise where your voice used to be and then.............................nothing......ever .....again. R. I. P. :bye:

[Laava]

3 of those " suckers are my nephews and niece ..


all voulenteered
Honestly mate, I hope they're OK. I have a mate over there who is a private bodyguard. He has been there since day one almost. Only positive thing I could say is that he gets paid a lot. He on the other hand is an adrenaline junkie, he would probably go there just for a thrill!

[canarlee]

Honestly mate, I hope they're OK. I have a mate over there who is a private bodyguard. He has been there since day one almost. Only positive thing I could say is that he gets paid a lot. He on the other hand is an adrenaline junkie, he would probably go there just for a thrill!

an ex royal marine friend of mine is there too, but he is there for the thrill! "fuck the money" he said!:gob:

and that was it, crazy bastid!

[SARGE]

Honestly mate, I hope they're OK. I have a mate over there who is a private bodyguard. He has been there since day one almost. Only positive thing I could say is that he gets paid a lot. He on the other hand is an adrenaline junkie, he would probably go there just for a thrill!

my nephews have both been wounded twice in combat .. one is US ARmy Special forces .. the other Marine Recon