Veggie sex. Oh this orta be good...

[Ocean1]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4146636a11.html

So, which bits of you are from what animals?

[Krusti]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4146636a11.html

So, which bits of you are from what animals?

I take it that these are the carrot and cucumber girls...........

[Steam]

One vegan respondent from Christchurch said: "I believe we are what we consume, so I really struggle with bodily fluids, especially sexually."
I like that quote from the story.
My girlfriend used to... er... swallow, and when I asked her why she said "cos I love the look on your face when I do" and "I like the idea that a part of you is now a part of me, forever."

She was quite a profound chick. As well as dynamite in bed.

Now it's time for me to stop typing and :shutup:

[ManDownUnder]

What if they only eat pussy...?

[007XX]

I was a vegetarian as a teenager:innocent:...then I got a taste of meat, and never went back!:devil2:

[peasea]

I was a vegetarian as a teenager:innocent:...then I got a taste of meat, and never went back!:devil2:

I've been staring at this post for a couple of minutes trying to decide which way it was meant. Then I thought..........:whocares:.....either is good.

[Ocean1]

My girlfriend used to... er... swallow

Aw dude… there's a tragedy in 5 1/2 words. :crybaby:

[Goblin]

I take it that these are the carrot and cucumber girls...........:laugh: They could be aubergine girls...:shit:


"A National Report on the Perspectives and Experiences of Vegetarians and other Ethical Consumers asked 157 people nationwide about everything from battery chickens to sexual preferences. "
I wonder how many police they asked.:shutup:

[007XX]

I've been staring at this post for a couple of minutes trying to decide which way it was meant. Then I thought..........:whocares:.....either is good.

:laugh:exactly!

[Ocean1]

What if they only eat pussy...?

Who, the veggie crew or the rabid composite protein fetishists?

[tri boy]

So now I'm a graveyard for animal carcasses, (shrugs), just add it to the list of things that some women call me.
Better that though, than being a confused mixed up little girl, with low Iron levels, and a warped outlook on life.:shutup:

[ManDownUnder]

One only has to take it one step further back...

Those cabbages being eaten had better not be composed of anything dead and rotten - y'know like birds or bugs or worms or...

It's all a bit silly really (IMHO)

[Ocean1]

One only has to take it one step further back...

Those cabbages being eaten had better not be composed of anything dead and rotten - y'know like birds or bugs or worms or...

It's all a bit silly really (IMHO)

Oh nice save dude, so there's no inherent ethical advantage in eating veggies only, because the whole biomass is corrupted with the sins of the carnavore huh?

Unless you're trying to pick up a seriously well proportioned vegie chick in a bar huh?

[ManDownUnder]

Oh nice save dude, so there's no inherent ethical advantage in eating veggies only, because the whole biomass is corrupted with the sins of the carnavore huh?

Unless you're trying to pick up a seriously well proportioned vegie chick in a bar huh?

100% on the money mate... That's my view on it.

[Hitcher]

Danger, Will Robinson, Vegans!!!

"You are what you eat". Whereabouts did these idiots go to school? I suppose this theory may explain why some of them look like mung bean sprouts, with the brainpower of a turnip. Genetically modify the lot of them and be done with it!

[Hitcher]

Unless you're trying to pick up a seriously well proportioned vegie chick in a bar huh?

That comment is strangely oxymoronic and depressing at the same time.

[Ocean1]

Genetically modify the lot of them and be done with it! Then you get what, Vogons?


That comment is strangely oxymoronic and depressing at the same time.

Maybe I'd been in the bar in question for some time...

[sels1]

Danger, Will Robinson, Vegans!!!

"You are what you eat". Whereabouts did these idiots go to school? I suppose this theory may explain why some of them look like mung bean sprouts, with the brainpower of a turnip. Genetically modify the lot of them and be done with it!

tisk tisk Hitcher....expected a more enlightened post than that from you.
From Pythagoras to Einstien, Da Vinci to Ghandi, some of the greatest minds of history were vegetarians....

[Deviant Esq]

Perhaps so sels1 but vegetarians claiming that people who eat meat are made up of dead animals don't rate highly on the intelligence scale I reckon.

Think of it this way: How many vegetarians grew up as kids on a normal diet including meat, and only made their decision to become a vegetarian later in life? A high proportion, I'm betting. So guess what? By their own assertions, they're made up of dead animals too. Um, what the fuck. I'm 100% human, and it's not for any vegetarian to judge me whatever I eat. Get off your soap box before it gets sick of your bullshit and throws you off.

[kerfufflez]

tisk tisk Hitcher....expected a more enlightened post than that from you.
From Pythagoras to Einstien, Da Vinci to Ghandi, some of the greatest minds of history were vegetarians....

Who's Einstien?

And who wants to look like Ghandi?

Just kidding.(And I believe they were not Vegans?)

Glad that tax dollars are being spent on such great areas of study! Will benefit loads of people, I'm sure.

[Hitcher]

From Pythagoras to Einstien, Da Vinci to Ghandi, some of the greatest minds of history were vegetarians....

Vegetables need a better PR machine. Or at least find some "great vegie minds" that are still alive to be validated by us cynical omnivores.

[SlashWylde]

Perhaps so sels1 but vegetarians claiming that people who eat meat are made up of dead animals don't rate highly on the intelligence scale I reckon.

Think of it this way: How many vegetarians grew up as kids on a normal diet including meat, and only made their decision to become a vegetarian later in life? ......

Good point. Another example of simple minded populist environmentalism.

Also, leaving aside the aforementioned point that vegetables themselves derive sustenance from decomposed animal material (blood and bone anyone?) who do these nutters think transports the veges to their local Foodtown or Pak n Save?

Ordinary Kiwi folk who are mostly omnivores. So by buying supermarket veges the vegans are supporting the slaughter of animals to feed the logistics and farming industry.

The only logical solution, if they care that deeply about the welfare of animals, is for them to form a commune where they grow their own veges hydroponically and recycle their own bodily wastes as fertilizer.

Then they will truly be full of their own shit!

[Hitcher]

It has been difficult and nearly impossible to be a "successful" (i.e. alive/healthy) vegetarian or a vegan respectively until comparatively recently in human evolution. Western civilisation has allowed the development of commercial horticulture and the transport of out-of-season produce to all parts of the globe, giving vegos a variety and quality of produce that did not exist in one place as recently as 60 years ago. Vegans had to wait a bit longer for dietary supplements to be invented.

Hence my cynicism about extravagant claims as to who may have been a vego in days of yore.

[jafar]

As vegans & vegetarians usually have to take suppliments (pills) to compliment their diets there is a fatal flaw in their argument. Without the pharmaceutical companies they would be in deep :shit:
Any diet that requires 'suppliments' must be deficient & therefore suspect :dodge:

[SARGE]

screw it ... hit the damn thing in the head, knock its horns off, wipe its ass and drag it out here on a bed of onions and green peppers

[MacD]

tisk tisk Hitcher....expected a more enlightened post than that from you.
From Pythagoras to Einstien, Da Vinci to Ghandi, some of the greatest minds of history were vegetarians....

You forgot Hitler! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_of_Adolf_Hitler)

(yes i know it's debatable - but it's part of the you are what you eat argument)

OMG, I call Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_Law)on myself! :spanking:

[Goblin]

What I dont understand about these vegans/vegies/ethical consumers is what do they think would happen to all the cattle, sheep, deer, pigs, chooks ect. if we didnt eat them? Do we let them all die of old age then give them all little funerals? Burial or cremation?

[canarlee]

give them all little funerals? Burial or cremation?

wear them?

[Curious_AJ]

i'm a vege, but not a vegan.. and i think that what they said in that article is going a little over the top... I mean, seriously, wtf mate... they might as well go and have sex with a carrot, because humans are made out of meat whatever the hell we eat!!

[Deviant Esq]

i'm a vege, but not a vegan.. and i think that what they said in that article is going a little over the top... I mean, seriously, wtf mate... they might as well go and have sex with a carrot, because humans are made out of meat whatever the hell we eat!!
Careful AJ... make sure that carrot is a consenting partner or it's rape! :eek:

:lol:

'sides, they were saying that people who eat meat are made up of dead animals. Seriously, what the fork?! What we choose to eat for sustainence might make us more or less healty, but made up of dead animals? They should preach to someone who will jump on their bandwagon. Preferably as it's heading over a ravine... :innocent:

[SARGE]

What I dont understand about these vegans/vegies/ethical consumers is what do they think would happen to all the cattle, sheep, deer, pigs, chooks ect. if we didnt eat them? Do we let them all die of old age then give them all little funerals? Burial or cremation?

cremate them....


then bring them over here on a bed of onions and green peppers ..

[Goblin]

cremate them....


then bring them over here on a bed of onions and green peppers ..

Yup! There's plenty of room for all god's creatures.....right next to the mashed potatoes.

[oldrider]

I had a vegetarian hamburger today in Dunedin, them vegetarians are bloody delicious! :bleh:

[jrandom]

Last time I checked, I was made of meat (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=54584).

I guess veggies need not apply.

[Curious_AJ]

most vegetarians dont have to supplement... but most vegans do have to supplement.. and then again, its all about knowing where to find the different nutrients in different sources... i for one, have never supplemented, and doubt i will ever have to supplement, because i know my facts. People who rush headlong into vegetarianism/veganism are sometimes so blinded by ethics, that they forget that they need certain things, hence they lack on health... it's all about being well informed before you commit to the lifestyle.

but this is slightly off topic... people who think other people are made of dead animals coz they eat meat? hold on, im just going to call the nice, young men in their clean, white coats...

[kerfufflez]

Do they breastfeed their spawn? Doesn't that milk come from an 'animal'?

[sels1]

It has been difficult and nearly impossible to be a "successful" (i.e. alive/healthy) vegetarian or a vegan respectively until comparatively recently in human evolution. Western civilisation has allowed the development of commercial horticulture and the transport of out-of-season produce to all parts of the globe, giving vegos a variety and quality of produce that did not exist in one place as recently as 60 years ago. Vegans had to wait a bit longer for dietary supplements to be invented.

Hence my cynicism about extravagant claims as to who may have been a vego in days of yore.

Not so old chap - you are stuck in a very western way of thinking. In Asia there has been continous generations of vegetarian Hindus and Bhuddists that go back over 3000 years.

[Indiana_Jones]

most vegetarians dont have to supplement... but most vegans do have to supplement.. and then again, its all about knowing where to find the different nutrients in different sources... i for one, have never supplemented, and doubt i will ever have to supplement, because i know my facts. People who rush headlong into vegetarianism/veganism are sometimes so blinded by ethics, that they forget that they need certain things, hence they lack on health... it's all about being well informed before you commit to the lifestyle.

but this is slightly off topic... people who think other people are made of dead animals coz they eat meat? hold on, im just going to call the nice, young men in their clean, white coats...

You don't mind sleeping with me, and I'm an evil meat eater!!

-Indy

[Swoop]

........
Dunno what you said. Your avatar is far too distracting!!!:drool:

[deanohit]

Hahahaha, what rot. I used to have a vegetarian girlfriend, and I think vegetarians are all right (read Weird), but vegans a bit extreme. There must be somthing lacking in their diet as you'll never see a fat vegan=). Me, I'll be sticking to my steaks and roasts.

[scumdog]

There's no fun in shooting a vege - and they don't taste as good as avenison steak either.

Homerism: "If God didn't want us to eat animals why did he make them taste so good?"

[Indiana_Jones]

Hahahaha, what rot. I used to have a vegetarian girlfriend, and I think vegetarians are all right (read Weird), but vegans a bit extreme. There must be somthing lacking in their diet as you'll never see a fat vegan=). Me, I'll be sticking to my steaks and roasts.

Spot on.

My partner is a vegetarian, but she has no problem with me eating meat, or even cooking it for me.

But her friend is a crazy Vegan! *hides*

-Indy

[Curious_AJ]

You don't mind sleeping with me, and I'm an evil meat eater!!

-Indy


Spot on.

My partner is a vegetarian, but she has no problem with me eating meat, or even cooking it for me.

But her friend is a crazy Vegan! *hides*

-Indy

yes Indy, I'm a vege... and i don't mind sleeping with you because meat eaters aren't evil... they just need to find better ways to produce the meat... they wonder why people are getting food poisoning and BSE (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) ie, mad-cow disease. But its been proven that intensive beef, pork and chicken farming increases the chances of diseased meat... go figure...

read: The Meat Business, Devouring a hungry planet edited by Geoff Tansey and Joyce D'Silva (I'm reading it now, it has some excellent points on farming... not only meat though, the title is a bit misleading)

[Hitcher]

But its been proven that intensive beef, pork and chicken farming increases the chances of diseased meat...

Balderdash.

[Curious_AJ]

it has been.. imagine all that feaces they are living in and eating in those tiny cages, pretty much on top of one another (chicken and pigs) and cows? well they have the bargain deal compared to the others, but leptospirosis and mastitis are HUGE factors... lepto is horrible and can be transferred directly to humans and mastitis.. well.. would YOU want to have an infected mammary gland from always being so full of milk because people make you have calf after calf? no thanks... however, i'm more against the whole veal thing than I am the actual milk production...

[Hitcher]

it has been.. imagine all that feaces they are living in and eating in those tiny cages, pretty much on top of one another (chicken and pigs) and cows? well they have the bargain deal compared to the others, but leptospirosis and mastitis are HUGE factors... lepto is horrible and can be transferred directly to humans and mastitis.. well.. would YOU want to have an infected mammary gland from always being so full of milk because people make you have calf after calf? no thanks... however, i'm more against the whole veal thing than I am the actual milk production...

You have absolutely no understanding whatsoever of animal production systems, animal heath, the spread of disease, commercial slaughter and meat production systems, microbiology, epidemiology or science generally.

Leptospirosis is transfered from animals to people via urine from infected animals, not through animal products consumed by people -- at least not in the developed world. Mastitis is an infection of the mammary gland. It is not transmissible via milk and, even if any did get into the milk production system it would either be rejected as a consequence of somatic cell testing or it would be killed by pasteurisation.

No farmed animals in New Zealand stand in shit in the manner you describe.

And as for the "whole veal thing", I don't even want to ask.

Please stop posting mischievous fiction. It's really annoying.

[Curious_AJ]

you took every thing i said wrongly lol...

i did not say lepto was transferred by meat... i said loads of farmers can get it when the cows pee and shit and swat their tails all over the farmers when they milk the cows and transport them etc..

and i didnt say that mastitis was transferrable to humans, i said think of the poor fudging cows who have to deal with it because of mass milk production.

and it is not fiction, i have seen it myself... the standards for pigs ESPECIALLY , in new zealand are horrific!! and chickens aren't much better... both of which are MUCH worse than in say some parts of Europe. In Nz, chickens are forced to live out their lives in cages that aren't even the size of an A4 piece of paper (all dimentionsare about 3/4 of the length of an A4 page)

for your info Hitch, I've been reading up on this for years, been going to see farms and intensive production units AND I've studied the standards for all these animals in Uni...

[canarlee]

Please stop posting mischievous fiction. It's really annoying.

thats why its so fun!:yes::dodge:

[Toaster]

Yup! There's plenty of room for all god's creatures.....right next to the mashed potatoes.

I had horse once.... it was fantastic!

[007XX]

I had horse once.... it was fantastic!

I've had snake, ostrich, crocodile, kangaroo, and that's just the more "exotic" meats...

All very tasty!!! Beats a cucumber salad anyday...:laugh:

[Curious_AJ]

this is not about eating meat, its about NOT eating meat... lol... oh, and not having sex with meat eaters... rofl...

[007XX]

this is not about eating meat, its about NOT eating meat... lol... oh, and not having sex with meat eaters... rofl...

Ok, all kidding aside...I respect anyone's beliefs, as long as they don't try to convince me that theirs are better than me...I have been known to pass for the Antichrist to jeovah witnesses knocking on my door at 7am on a Sunday (VERY bad idea!!!:nono:)

But the thing is with being a vegeterian is that a lot of people use it as a misguided diet, or an excuse to get attention...

just like everything good in principle, most dumbasses out there will twist and turn it into something that is worth less than contempt.

If someone honnestly does not enjoy eating meat, then that's fine, bit two things are to be made sure of:

1- leave every other carnivores alone in their feast, or they'll bloody eat you!

2- make sure you do in an educated fashion so as to hust your health and look like some malnourished Biafran child.

There are serious risks in being an uneducated vegan.

[Hitcher]

you took every thing i said wrongly lol...

for your info Hitch, I've been reading up on this for years, been going to see farms and intensive production units AND I've studied the standards for all these animals in Uni...

I don't think that you want to start comparing qualifications, credentials and experience on this matter. How about we just agree that you stop posting things that you've just made up, and stick to the facts, OK? Lol.

[Curious_AJ]

what the? don't accuse, please... and dont jump down my throat coz you like to murder ...

[Joni]

what the? don't accuse, please... and dont jump down my throat coz you like to murder ...

Fuck this is so ridiculous is actually funny...

I suddenly know what people mean when they say this ==>:corn:

AJ, I for one, believe it or not respect your stance as a vegetarian... however I am pro choice, everyone can make their own decisions... with comments like your murder comment you remove all substance in your argument, as it becomes a tad childish. Hitcher is a highly intelligent man, you will need to try another tactic with him.

[007XX]

Fuck this is so ridiculous is actually funny...

I suddenly know what people mean when they say this ==>:corn:

AJ, I for one, believe it or not respect your stance as a vegetarian... however I am pro choice, everyone can make their own decisions... with comments like your murder comment you remove all substance in your argument, as it becomes a tad childish. Hitcher is a highly intelligent man, you will need to try another tactic with him.

eeerr...sorry AJ, but I'd tend to agree with Joni here...

Mr Hitcher has got a lot of knowledge, and even though I haven't met him, I've been able to appreciate his point more than a few times.

It's not about being pro vegetarian, it's about facts here...

[Hitcher]

what the? don't accuse, please... and dont jump down my throat coz you like to murder ...

Accuse? Pointing out factual and contextual issues in what you wrote isn't "accusing". What you posted may be your opinion, but if that is patently and demonstrably untrue, then the validity of your opinion on these matters is, at best, invalid. You have produced nothing by way of evidence that would lead me to any view other than you made up most of what you posted for no reason other than dramatic effect.

And I don't think you want to compare qualifications, credentials and experience in the propaganda business either.

If you're not up to an evidence-based discussion, accusing me of condoning "murder" is a weak attempt at diversion from your prejudices, don't you think? What's next, Godwin's Law?

[Curious_AJ]

thanks Joni... appreciate your acceptance of me being vegetarian... and i do accept the fact that hitcher is wise...

though i do believe that killing anything is murder.. and i havnt shoved it down anyone's throat... i hope you do see that...

and i didnt say that people couldnt eat meat, fair enough... but i couldnt live with myself if i ate it.

just explaining the murder comment.

[sels1]

and stick to the facts, OK?

Right. And the most important fact to remember is humans do not require meat to live - never have done, never will do.

Despite decades of propaganda from the meat industries attempting
to brainwash the population to their view (the "science" can be bought - ask any large American Corporation) - and with some degree of success judging by some of the posts here, millions of vegetarians happily walk this planet daily proving the fact mentioned above.

[Curious_AJ]

you havnt provided any evidence against my arguement Hitch... you're in the same boat darling...

anyway, I don't want to stay here to be battered and beaten by both of you... AGAIN.

[Curious_AJ]

Right. And the most important fact to remember is humans do not require meat to live - never have done, never will do.

Despite decades of propaganda from the meat industries attempting
to brainwash the population to their view (the "science" can be bought - ask any large American Corporation) - and with some degree of success judging by some of the posts here, millions of vegetarians happily walk this planet daily proving the fact mentioned above.

thank you sels1, my thoughts exactly.

[Hitcher]

Right. And the most important fact to remember is humans do not require meat to live - never have done, never will do.

I have no disagreement with that. People are entitled to be "vegetarian". People are also entitled to eat meat. Neither of those propositions are a case of "right" or "wrong". My ire is raised by vegetarians and vegans who use dubious "evidence" to shame meat eaters into seeing the "folly" of their ways.

[Curious_AJ]

umm... thats not what i was trying to do btw... i was just stating how appalling the conditions are for the poor animals... i don't know how people can't feel sad about that...

[Krusti]

I'm an omnivore, I greedily eat anything on the plate in front of me......mmmmmmm food

[SARGE]

i grew up on a farm.. we had all manner of critters .. pigs . horses .. cattle, chickens, etc ..wasnt a meat farm by any means but we lived well on the meat that was produced ( and yes .. i have slaughtered.. sledgehammer to the forehead and its over before the animal hits the ground)

i am also an avid hunter .. deer.. wild razorback pig ..Elk, pheasant, duck..turkey.. bear.. moose.. etc


hunters are some of the finest conservationists on the planet.. we thin the herds to manageable levels so the animals dont outstrip the food and such in a given area ..


when i kill.. either a domestic or feral.. i use all of the animal.. skins, meat, .. i grind the bones and dry the blood for my gardens..i leave the organs and offal for the wolves.. i also gave 30% of the meat of the big kills to the area homeless shelters... not one ounce ever went to waste

only time we had to come to town was to get flour, sugar and coffee... we produced everything ourselves pretty much




Right. And the most important fact to remember is humans do not require meat to live - never have done, never will do.

Despite decades of propaganda from the meat industries attempting
to brainwash the population to their view (the "science" can be bought - ask any large American Corporation) - and with some degree of success judging by some of the posts here, millions of vegetarians happily walk this planet daily proving the fact mentioned above.

i beg to diffr sels ..

look at any herbivore's teeth .. they are flat, meant to grind vegetable matter... then compare to a carnivore's teeth.. sharp and meant to rend flesh... humans have both types ( incisors,, molars canine) and are designed to eat all manners of food

[Curious_AJ]

that I respect... my family does pretty much the same thing. (though i still couldnt stomach it, no matter how humane the killing... I just vomit every time I see anything like that being done.)

good on you Sarge.

and when i say "farms" I mean intensive farms. Those are what I'm heavily against...

[Hitcher]

umm... thats not what i was trying to do btw... i was just stating how appalling the conditions are for the poor animals... i don't know how people can't feel sad about that...

I was about to quietly withdraw from this largely pointless "discussion", but you've done it again. Over-generalising.

What conditions, and what "poor" animals? Yes, I accept that some New Zealand battery hen production systems and pig breeding operations leave much to be desired in terms of animal welfare standards. And the farmers who operate these facilities are upgrading these to meet revised animal welfare codes of practice. Despite that, the health of the animals in such facilities is good and the risk of "diseased meat" entering the human food chain, as you alleged earlier in this thread is negligible. I don't buy into that anthropomorphism thing, in case you hadn't noticed.

The biggest risk to consumers of food (meat or vegies) is hygiene standards, with home kitchens and poor or inadequate food preparation being with worst offenders.

And if it's evidence you want, start here www.nzfsa.govt.nz.

[Curious_AJ]

I've read it .. i gave a book reference earlier...

and yeah, they are poor animals... they deserve better... its not necessarily anthropomorphism.. its just common decency and compassion, which, apparently, you don't seem to feel...

[Krusti]

And don't forget, a good kiwi............eats, roots and leaves. :innocent:

[sels1]

I have no disagreement with that..

Thats good. So you are saying your previous post:


It has been difficult and nearly impossible to be a "successful" (i.e. alive/healthy) vegetarian or a vegan respectively until comparatively recently in human evolution. Western civilisation has allowed the development of commercial horticulture and the transport of out-of-season produce to all parts of the globe, giving vegos a variety and quality of produce that did not exist in one place as recently as 60 years ago. Vegans had to wait a bit longer for dietary supplements to be invented.


was not your best work???

[SARGE]

The biggest risk to consumers of food (meat or vegies) is hygiene standards, with home kitchens and poor or inadequate food preparation being with worst offenders.


chinese takeaways, Valentine's and burger kings

[canarlee]

The biggest risk to consumers of food (meat or vegies) is hygiene standards, with home kitchens and poor or inadequate food preparation being with worst offenders.

um soz hitcher but im going to dissagree with you on that point!


these animals are contracting these diseases, correct. but to say that these diseases are not affecting us is bullshit.


ok we are not getting the same disease as the animal in question but we ARE becoming immune to antibiotics, which are being pumped into the animal which are then coming to us through the meat (and that has been proven). we are not getting stronger strains of the flu etc (like the gummints would have you believe), we are becoming ammune to the vaccine!





ps, i will still have my steak done "blue" next time i have one!

[Hitcher]

Harry Potter and the Tofu Burger doesn't count as a "book reference".

And I don't think I have posted anything, anywhere, ever that could be misconstrued as me condoning animal abuse or neglect.

Please understand that my comments have nothing to do with you being a vegetarian, unless that is the reason for you posting unsubstantiated twaddle about food animal production systems.

[Curious_AJ]

the book reference, dear darling old man, was THE MEAT BUSINESS, DEVOURING A HUNGRY PLANET: edited by: Geoff Tansey and Joyce D'Silva... shows you havn't actually been reading posts properly...

and no, me being a vegetarian has nothing to do with twaddle... and those are things that i have researched, not just made up...

[Curious_AJ]

oh, and another book to read is, Management and Welfare of Farm Animals, The UFAW handbook, fourth edition.

[Hitcher]

Omigod. You read books. I am truly done for!

[Indiana_Jones]

Just for the record, AJ doesn't try to convice me to give up meat. :)

-Indy

[Curious_AJ]

i was just ginving you some references to research before you accuse me of lying and making stuff up... excuse me if you don't want proof of what i say.. that's your problem...

[Curious_AJ]

Just for the record, AJ doesn't try to convice me to give up meat. :)

-Indy

thank you, from the Indy's mouth..

[SARGE]

Omigod. You read books. I am truly done for!

hitch .. im sorry but i have to call you on this one my friend .. that was uncalled for .. C-AJ obviously has some strong feelings about this and has not resorted to personal attacks ..


you just did ..


everyone is entitled to an opinion .. AJ has not (IMO) tried to be a vege-nazi about this .. simply stating that SHE ( personally) finds it distasteful..

[canarlee]

hitch .. im sorry but i have to call you on this one my friend .. that was uncalled for .. C-AJ obviously has some strong feelings about this and has not resorted to personal attacks ..


you just did ..


everyone is entitled to an opinion .. AJ has not (IMO) tried to be a vege-nazi about this .. simply stating that SHE ( personally) finds it distasteful..

agreed and public apology demanded!:yes:

[Curious_AJ]

hitch .. im sorry but i have to call you on this one my friend .. that was uncalled for .. C-AJ obviously has some strong feelings about this and has not resorted to personal attacks ..


you just did ..


everyone is entitled to an opinion .. AJ has not (IMO) tried to be a vege-nazi about this .. simply stating that SHE ( personally) finds it distasteful..


agreed and public apology demanded!:yes:

thank you guys. At least someone sees my point in all this...

[SARGE]

thank you guys. At least someone sees my point in all this...

points have nothing to do with it AJ... my niece was a vegetarian and harmed herself by not getting the night nutrients ( protein etc) ..you seem to be educated about the nutritional side of it so i wont preach

[canarlee]

thank you guys. At least someone sees my point in all this...

hang on there, i never said i agreed with you!

i agreed with what sarge had posted!


i am not saying you are wrong either:dodge::p

[Indiana_Jones]

hang on there, i never said i agreed with you!

i agreed with what sarge had posted!


i am not saying you are wrong either:dodge::p

I don't think she meant you agreed about the vege thing.

-Indy

[Curious_AJ]

no, i didnt mean that he agreed, this is true Indy.

and yeah, i don't know a better way to put it, other than point Sarge... and yeah, I've done my research... and sorry to hear about your niece, it's just so hard to get info on the right way to eat sometimes though... it's sad... there need to be way more resources available for people who do choose the lifestyle.

[sels1]

i beg to diffr sels ..
look at any herbivore's teeth .. they are flat, meant to grind vegetable matter... then compare to a carnivore's teeth.. sharp and meant to rend flesh... humans have both types ( incisors,, molars canine) and are designed to eat all manners of food

diffr away mate, I'm going to. I just checked my canines, and they dont look anything like my cats.

If you, naked and unaided, chase down a large mammal, kill it with your bare hands, and eat it raw there on the spot, you may have a better chance of convincing me its a natural thing.

Consider this:
Unlike most mammals, we have stereo colour vision...to see highly coloured food. We like sweet tastes and nice smells. We dont have claws, we have hands with opposable thumbs - for picking and grasping. Our tooth structure and digestive tract (3 times longer and quite diffrent to a carnavore) is most suited to eating......FRUIT!(And yes fruit supplies minimal but sufficient protien,fatty acids etc,carbs, vits and minerals - the only food group that does) Like the primates we are supposed to have evolved from, with who we share 90something % of DNA, and who are in most cases vegetarian. Even the plants that provide fruit, do so to get their seeds spread around (complete with manure!) THAT is true nature. Garden of Eden stuff. Sure humans can survive on many other foods (and smoke and take drugs etc) but fruit is the most natural food going. Hows That?:sunny:

[SARGE]

diffr away mate, I'm going to. I just checked my canines, and they dont look anything like my cats.

If you, naked and unaided, chase down a large mammal, kill it with your bare hands, and eat it raw there on the spot, you may have a better chance of convincing me its a natural thing.


um ... dude .. its ME remember?.. wouldnt be out of character

[tomtyer-drake]

just reading through this whole thing is a bit of an education. but I'd like to think i know a fair bit about food and nutrition (although i dont really practice what i preach - damn lazy)

anyway its pretty simple isnt it... you need blah vitamins and minerals, and you can get them in many ways. some things require more, some things require less. but in the end of the day, a vegetarian diet can provide someoenes daily food requirements.

Vegetarians are usually more healthy than average mainly because of the other health concious decisions that they make, far less vego's smoke and drink etc.

The only point i think people forget about during these arguements, is that if we hadnt protected the sheep from the wolves back in the day, they wouldnt all be here, and we wouldnt be eating them.
- now i know this doesnt make complete sence and someone is going to make a point of "should your mum be able to kill you then? coz she raised you"

but if we think of it in a completely objective way, we are farming these animals for food - just like veges.

Tom

[Indiana_Jones]

like Apes, we human's use our brains as our strength.

-Indy

[Krusti]

If you, naked and unaided, chase down a large mammal, kill it with your bare hands, and eat it raw there on the spot, you may have a better chance of convincing me its a natural thing.



Did this to my wife last night, didn't kill her mind you. :dodge:

[canarlee]

Hows That?:sunny:

you gone and taken the whole argument away now!


spoil sport:nono::innocent:

[sels1]

there need to be way more resources available for people who do choose the lifestyle.

Plenty of info on the net AJ

http://www.ivu.org/

or the NZ vege soc:

http://www.vegetarian.org.nz/

[Curious_AJ]

good point there newbie... but then again, we disrupted evolution to keep the sheep protected from the wolves... not that it was wrong.. but evolution might have stated that sheep would have gotten more wise and able to protect themselves, instead of us doing it for them, and them not developing ways to evade them...

but thats a whole other kettle of water... but you DO have the right idea with us being able to have the right nutrients we require.

[sels1]

Did this to my wife last night, didn't kill her mind you. :dodge:

lol

"you must spread some rep etc etc"

[tomtyer-drake]

jeeze, but im not too happy about this newbee thing - most people who are so fully against peolple being vegos should go to a proper vegetarians house for dinner, coz it normally tastes really good.

[tomtyer-drake]

oh ... is Vego considered an insult? because someone told me off for saying it a while ago.

[Curious_AJ]

i agree, because i make the food myself :p

[Curious_AJ]

oh ... is Vego considered an insult? because someone told me off for saying it a while ago.

not really...i call myself a vege or vego often... i guess it depends on the person you say it to..

[tomtyer-drake]

just had to ask. damn i cant handle all this talk about food, should have had dinner.

[canarlee]

damn i cant handle all this talk about food, should have had dinner.

ditto, im grabbing a cornbeef and ketchup toastie and heading off to bed:yes:



i will catch up with this thread tomorow!



oops, the corned beef bit was not in anyway intended as a dig at this thread! i am actually going to have said sandwhich.........luuuurrrrvly

[tomtyer-drake]

*shakes his fist* thats the price you pay for having a large late lunch, normally i get hungry earlier, but no, now its keeping me awake

[sels1]

um ... dude .. its ME remember?.. wouldnt be out of character


oh....right...of course. You changed your avatar....forgot who you were for a moment...you sounded so rational.....:laugh::dodge::laugh:

and (btw), like you, I was bought up on a farm too.

[SARGE]

oh....right...of course. You changed your avatar....forgot who you were for a moment...you sounded so rational.....:laugh::dodge::laugh:

and (btw), like you, I was bought up on a farm too.

im a very rational person... most of the time

[Hillbilly]

I used to go out with a vegetarian girl. Then I said stoopidly, " i thought you didn't eat meat"! - I was sore for days! :shutup:

[Hillbilly]

I used to go out with a vegetarian girl. Then I said stoopidly, " i thought you didn't eat meat"! - I was sore for days! :shutup:

[ZeroIndex]

What if they only eat pussy...?
That would never happen... the cat family are animals too...

Do vegans eat those Animal Cracker biscuits?

[Grahameeboy]

A true Vegan does not even wear clothes that are from animals like leather shoes etc, it's not just food.

I have not eaten red meat for 20 plus years....so boys you are safe:sunny:

[Toaster]

though i do believe that killing anything is murder

AJ I see where you are coming from, but killing an animal for meat - which is the only reason the animal even existed as it was farmed to be used as food - is not and never will be murder.

Murder is by definition the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law - to kill by an act constituting murder or to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously.

The way animals are killed for meat is not murder.

[Toaster]

I've had snake, ostrich, crocodile, kangaroo, and that's just the more "exotic" meats...

All very tasty!!! Beats a cucumber salad anyday...:laugh:

......... showoff!

Is that a whole cucumber?

[007XX]

A true Vegan does not even wear clothes that are from animals like leather shoes etc, it's not just food.

I have not eaten red meat for 20 plus years....so boys you are safe:sunny:

eeerrr...so you consider women to be a vegetable???:shutup::shit:

*vegetarian tacos, anyone...?*:dodge:

[007XX]

Is that a whole cucumber?

Why yes, it is...would you like me to "introduce" you???:laugh:

[Grahameeboy]

eeerrr...so you consider women to be a vegetable???:shutup::shit:

*vegetarian tacos, anyone...?*:dodge:

No....I don't eat women......just lick them:gob:

[Toaster]

Why yes, it is...would you like me to "introduce" you???:laugh:

Always up for making new friends, but remember your mumma told you never to stick things in the Toaster!!

Friends with the Munch Bunch are ya?!
(okay who else is old enough to remember that)

[007XX]

No....I don't eat women......just lick them:gob:

Little Riding Hood in the woods
Walking through to her grandma's house
suddenly, there comes out the wolf::shit:
I'm going to kill you,
Little Riding Hood!!!
She then proceeds to lift her dress and say:
"NO, No:nono:, EAT me like the fairy book says!"

<Moral of the story: Licking is only half of the job done!>:laugh:

[Toaster]

Little Riding Hood in the woods
Walking through to her grandma's house
suddenly, there comes out the wolf::shit:
I'm going to kill you,
Little Riding Hood!!!
She then proceeds to lift her dress and say:
"NO, No:nono:, EAT me like the fairy book says!"

<Moral of the story: Licking is only half of the job done!>:laugh:

I love bedtime stories. :innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

Little Riding Hood in the woods
Walking through to her grandma's house
suddenly, there comes out the wolf::shit:
I'm going to kill you,
Little Riding Hood!!!
She then proceeds to lift her dress and say:
"NO, No:nono:, EAT me like the fairy book says!"

<Moral of the story: Licking is only half of the job done!>:laugh:

You getting mixed up with Hanzel and Gretal?

[Grahameeboy]

I love bedtime stories. :innocent:

I have some books....when shall I come round?

[007XX]

Always up for making new friends, but remember your mumma told you never to stick things in the Toaster!!

Friends with the Munch Bunch are ya?!
(okay who else is old enough to remember that)

What the Heck is the Munch Bunch????

And my mummy taught me how to get the crumbs out of the Toaster by turning it upside down and beating the crap out of it....

Care for a little pain, do we???:innocent:

[Toaster]

What the Heck is the Munch Bunch????

And my mummy taught me how to get the crumbs out of the Toaster by turning it upside down and beating the crap out of it....

Care for a little pain, do we???:innocent:

It was a kids program in the 80's about animated vegetables.

mmm pain..... you don't scare me missy.

[Toaster]

I have some books....when shall I come round?

I'll organise the crumpets and tea.

[007XX]

mmm pain..... you don't scare me missy.

yeah, I've heard that before...:laugh:

[Edbear]

screw it ... hit the damn thing in the head, knock its horns off, wipe its ass and drag it out here on a bed of onions and green peppers


But, but, but,... barbeque it first, too, eh...?:gob:

[Edbear]

Did this to my wife last night, didn't kill her mind you. :dodge:



Ouch! She may want to kill you if she reads your post!:gob: Large mammal..? :shutup:

[Krusti]

Been married 22 years, nothing scares me now. I think....

[Edbear]

like Apes, we human's use our brains as our strength.

-Indy



:killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme

I knew I wuz doin' it all wrong...!:scratch:

[MSTRS]

Getting sorta back OT...I subscribe to the simple philosophy (like Sarge) that one look at a human's teeth tells you what nature intended/tailored us to eat.
And to CuriousAJ - relying on books for 'facts' is not necessarily wise...

[ZeroIndex]

tisk tisk Hitcher....expected a more enlightened post than that from you.
From Pythagoras to Einstien, Da Vinci to Ghandi, some of the greatest minds of history were vegetarians....
Are any of those people still alive? This cannot be disproved, that if they had eaten meat, there is the "Cat is dead and alive in the box theory"-chance that they might still be alive...

[ZeroIndex]

you took every thing i said wrongly lol...

i did not say lepto was transferred by meat... i said loads of farmers can get it when the cows pee and shit and swat their tails all over the farmers when they milk the cows and transport them etc..

and i didnt say that mastitis was transferrable to humans, i said think of the poor fudging cows who have to deal with it because of mass milk production.

and it is not fiction, i have seen it myself... the standards for pigs ESPECIALLY , in new zealand are horrific!! and chickens aren't much better... both of which are MUCH worse than in say some parts of Europe. In Nz, chickens are forced to live out their lives in cages that aren't even the size of an A4 piece of paper (all dimentionsare about 3/4 of the length of an A4 page)

for your info Hitch, I've been reading up on this for years, been going to see farms and intensive production units AND I've studied the standards for all these animals in Uni...
I have to disagree there... They're always driving around in nice late model Holden and Ford V8's with air-conditioning...

...sorry, couldn't help it

[ZeroIndex]

I had horse once.... it was fantastic!
I've ridden and eaten ostritch... both were enjoyable... riding an ostritch is probably close to a piggy-back ride with a crazy person with lots of energy from an insane ward...

[canarlee]

riding an ostritch is probably close to a piggy-back ride with a crazy person with lots of energy from an insane ward...

colapop springs to mind here........:dodge:

[ZeroIndex]

Accuse? Pointing out factual and contextual issues in what you wrote isn't "accusing". What you posted may be your opinion, but if that is patently and demonstrably untrue, then the validity of your opinion on these matters is, at best, invalid. You have produced nothing by way of evidence that would lead me to any view other than you made up most of what you posted for no reason other than dramatic effect.

And I don't think you want to compare qualifications, credentials and experience in the propaganda business either.

If you're not up to an evidence-based discussion, accusing me of condoning "murder" is a weak attempt at diversion from your prejudices, don't you think? What's next, Godwin's Law?
Godwin's Law was self-proclaimed at post 26 or 27... although I don't think it quite made it, as no-one was called anything... but yes, this thread is definitely heading that way :killingme

[ZeroIndex]

Right. And the most important fact to remember is humans do not require meat to live - never have done, never will do.

Despite decades of propaganda from the meat industries attempting
to brainwash the population to their view (the "science" can be bought - ask any large American Corporation) - and with some degree of success judging by some of the posts here, millions of vegetarians happily walk this planet daily proving the fact mentioned above.
Ever read a Bible? Why else would God tell Adam & Eve to eat meat, after telling them to use animals to make clothing?

[ZeroIndex]

diffr away mate, I'm going to. I just checked my canines, and they dont look anything like my cats.

If you, naked and unaided, chase down a large mammal, kill it with your bare hands, and eat it raw there on the spot, you may have a better chance of convincing me its a natural thing.

Consider this:
Unlike most mammals, we have stereo colour vision...to see highly coloured food. We like sweet tastes and nice smells. We dont have claws, we have hands with opposable thumbs - for picking and grasping. Our tooth structure and digestive tract (3 times longer and quite diffrent to a carnavore) is most suited to eating......FRUIT!(And yes fruit supplies minimal but sufficient protien,fatty acids etc,carbs, vits and minerals - the only food group that does) Like the primates we are supposed to have evolved from, with who we share 90something % of DNA, and who are in most cases vegetarian. Even the plants that provide fruit, do so to get their seeds spread around (complete with manure!) THAT is true nature. Garden of Eden stuff. Sure humans can survive on many other foods (and smoke and take drugs etc) but fruit is the most natural food going. Hows That?:sunny:
We have brains to think properly and hands with opposible thumbs so we could make guns to go hunting with, cause honestly, there's nothing better than chasing an animal on foot than shooting it :killingme

[ZeroIndex]

good point there newbie... but then again, we disrupted evolution to keep the sheep protected from the wolves... not that it was wrong.. but evolution might have stated that sheep would have gotten more wise and able to protect themselves, instead of us doing it for them, and them not developing ways to evade them...

but thats a whole other kettle of water... but you DO have the right idea with us being able to have the right nutrients we require.
Seriously, has no-one here read the Bible? The only reason we eat animals, and animals eat animals is because Adam and Eve ate some veges they weren't supposed to... and that was also the initial end of public nudity...

[ManDownUnder]

Seriously, has no-one here read the Bible? The only reason we eat animals, and animals eat animals is because Adam and Eve ate some veges they weren't supposed to... and that was also the initial end of public nudity...

err yeah - but enough of this pseudo scientific discussion...

Humans are omnivores. We have the teeth to prove it and while we are capable of surviving solely on veges we can't do it easily (unles any herbivore you'd care to mention that appears to simply stuff it's face with enough undergrowth and all's good).

Why debate the point unless there's something new and challenging we've been missing for the last coupld of hundred years?

Vegans are doing this out of a principle they want to live by, and I have no problem with that. Try to force it on me... yes I'll discuss it at length. Try to make it right by somehow creating doctrine or public policy around it then hey... again let's have the "little chat". But them choosing not to sleep with someone because they eat meat has the same basis (and rescpect from me) as someone that chooses not to sleep with (insert demographic here).

It's a personal choice, personal preference... not a biggy. I think they're wrong - but then they think I'm wrong. That's a fair swap.

[Edbear]

...and that was also the initial end of public nudity...



Thank God...:innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

I'll organise the crumpets and tea.

More tea Vicar....:innocent:

[Dilligaf]

Seriously, has no-one here read the Bible? The only reason we eat animals, and animals eat animals is because Adam and Eve ate some veges they weren't supposed to... and that was also the initial end of public nudity...


:nono: Tut tut zero index... it was only after the flood that man was allowed to eat meat. Check Genesis again - specifically chapter 9.

[MSTRS]

Thank God...:innocent:

...in some cases, no, I wouldn't :innocent:

[canarlee]

:dodge:
:nono: Tut tut zero index... it was only after the flood that man was allowed to eat meat. Check Genesis again - specifically chapter 9.

hmmmm



its gone from vegetarianism to religeon!


this should start getting real interesting.............


:jerry::jerry::jerry:

[MSTRS]

Consider this:
Unlike most mammals, we have stereo colour vision... We dont have claws, we have hands with opposable thumbs ....

But like (all?) predatory mammals we have eyes at the front for triangulating the prey's precise position....
Chimpanzees are the closest of all the apes to us, and they will hunt, kill and eat meat. They also do not have claws. I'd guess that like other omnivores, we possess some of the 'tools' of all types....

[Edbear]

But like (all?) predatory mammals we have eyes at the front for triangulating the prey's precise position...


Or so I tells the Missus...:love:

[Colapop]

colapop springs to mind here........:dodge:
Have you seen "Balls of Steel"? Ever been hunted down and gievn the kicking you really deserve?

O and so this post is within the context of this thread... He'll be having vege-sex awright!

[Indiana_Jones]

less vege talk, more sex!

*snuggles upto Col*

-Indy

[Ocean1]

But like (all?) predatory mammals we have eyes at the front for triangulating the prey's precise position....
Chimpanzees are the closest of all the apes to us, and they will hunt, kill and eat meat. They also do not have claws. I'd guess that like other omnivores, we possess some of the 'tools' of all types....

Sounds right.

But it's not.

Some tribes of Chimps hunt and eat mammals, some don't. Sorta hints the diet is somewhat culturally driven huh? Sound familiar?

Humans are not like chimps in one important regard. We're one of a small number of animals called cursorial hunters. They don't use speed or surprise to hunt, they simply run them into the ground. That's why we're so good at endurance based tasks compared to most of the rest of the mammals. That's also why we don't have pronounced canines and all but vestigial claws.

Our "natural" diet would have very much depended on the environment, even within the very narrow evolutionary range which makes up modern humans we're different in which foods benefit us. High northern humans metabolise fat better, some groups handle high protein diets better. Of the broad categories defining the class of an animal's diet I believe we're most accurately described as scavengers, with adaptations allowing us to make use of a wide range of food sources.

Long and short? we can survive quite nicely on a limited diet, with possible minor consequences due to slight deficiencies.

Me? As long as my dinner contains at least one of the major food groups (dead cow, dead pig, dead sheep, dead chicken) I'm happy. Not too fussed on celery.

[ManDownUnder]

:nono: Tut tut zero index... it was only after the flood that man was allowed to eat meat. Check Genesis again - specifically chapter 9.

c'mon then spill - chapter, verse and quote please.

[Edbear]

c'mon then spill - chapter, verse and quote please.


Gen. 9:3,4 KJV, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb that I have given you all things. But flesh with the life, thereof, which is the blood thereof shall ye not eat."

[canarlee]

Have you seen "Balls of Steel"? Ever been hunted down and gievn the kicking you really deserve?
O and so this post is within the context of this thread... He'll be having vege-sex awright!
i have seen balls of steel, yes! every time i go to the toilet/look down i see balls of steel:yes:


less vege talk, more sex!

*snuggles upto Col*

-Indy

um im sure indy will keep you busy as regards the other.......:dodge:

[ManDownUnder]

Gen. 9:3,4 KJV, "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb that I have given you all things. But flesh with the life, thereof, which is the blood thereof shall ye not eat."

I thought that was the bit... so meat yes... blood no. Or did I miss(interpret) something?

[Joni]

I remember being told that the bible also mentions that you cannot eat fish with no scales and meat from animals with a split hoof (pork), it comes from the old testiment, my grandfather showed it to me in the bible when he was preaching to me one day :zzzz:

[Edbear]

I thought that was the bit... so meat yes... blood no. Or did I miss(interpret) something?


You got it right. All meat had to be properly bled and the blood poured out on the ground symbolising the returning of the life of the animal to God. It was reiterated in the Mosaic law and again after Christ as a requirement upon Christians, as were a few of the laws despite the Mosaic Law being done away with and no longer in force. Blood, either animal or human was not to be eaten/drunk under any circumstances as it was the "life of the organism" and belonged to the source an giver of life.

Sorry, off topic!:done:

As you were! Had a nice casserole last night, even if I say so myself. I'm not a bad cook!

[ManDownUnder]

I remember being told that the bible also mentions that you cannot eat fish with no scales and meat from animals with a split hoof (pork), it comes from the old testiment, my grandfather showed it to me in the bible when he was preaching to me one day :zzzz:

Apparently you're allowed to keep slaves too (although if you blind them or knock their teeth out you have to let them go...)

“A servant will not be corrected by words: for though he understand he will not answer” (Proverbs 29:19). “And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake” (Exodus 21:26-27).

Sounds reasonable I guess...

[Joni]

Blah blah blah MDU! :bleh:

I was just adding to the point about the bible talking about meat eating...:innocent:

[Edbear]

I remember being told that the bible also mentions that you cannot eat fish with no scales and meat from animals with a split hoof (pork), it comes from the old testiment, my grandfather showed it to me in the bible when he was preaching to me one day :zzzz:


He was referring to the Mosaic Law which contained certain requirements for the Jews. As noted above, the Mosaic LAw was fulfilled and done away with by Christ's death though some principles and laws were reiterated for Christians. The Apostle Peter was shown by vision, that from that time onwards "anything goes" pretty much. Acts 10"11-16.

Oops, done it again!:yes:

[Joni]

I miss Zed :( He made me laugh....

Anyway, sorry back on topic for me... just thought I would mention that.

Anyway so if you take the bible literally, it shows that man have been eating meat since the beginning of time :yes:

[Edbear]

I miss Zed :( He made me laugh....

Anyway, sorry back on topic for me... just thought I would mention that.

Anyway so if you take the bible literally, it shows that man have been eating mean since the beginning of time :yes:


I can be funny...:second:

But yep, pretty much. Since the time of Noah anyway. It seems that up to then man was vegetarian with fish as a possibility and as one poster pointed out, we are very well suited to eat fruit. One can do well on a vegetarian diet, and contrary to one poster, the vegetables available were not always limited in variety and quantity. Certainly through the dark and middle ages a vegetarian diet would have been rather hazardous I would think. Actually, life itself was rather hazardous then...:bye:

Why, if one goes by scripture, God created man with the purpose of being soley vegetarian but approved red meat after the flood makes for an interesting debate, but what cannot be argued is that we do very well eating meat if it wasn't in the design brief to start with. One would doubt that God would instruct Noah to eat meat if it wasn't going to be good for him...In fact certain proteins are said to be much more easily utilised by the body coming from meat.

Since both my wife and I are omnivorous, I can't say what difference it would make to sex were one of us was a vegetarian... :innocent:

(See I CAN keep to the topic...sorta...:done:)

[Curious_AJ]

"to kill or slaughter inhumanly or barbarously."<--- said by toaster ages ago in the thread...

toast, thats how i see meat farms killing the animals... so to me its murder... maybe not to you.. but thats MY view of it...

and as for the bible... well, genesis is probably not how it happened...
just as a general comment..

but i believe in evolution more than i believe what the bible says in the respects to homo sapiens eating meat... they evolved to eat it coz it was more energy efficient (though they were homo habilis *i think it was that* at the time they discovered bone marrow from left over kills was like some sort of energy elixir) instead of eating tons of veges to get the same amount of energy...

[ZeroIndex]

:nono: Tut tut zero index... it was only after the flood that man was allowed to eat meat. Check Genesis again - specifically chapter 9.
agreed it does say that in chapter 9, but with blood sacrifices in chapter 4... why else would they keep herds of sheep? Surely some of it was for eating?

[ZeroIndex]

I thought that was the bit... so meat yes... blood no. Or did I miss(interpret) something?
Genesis 9:4 "But you shall not eat flesh with its life,that is, its blood"

so if it is still breathing/alive, blood is still pumping through its veins... don't eat it... wait till it is dead...

[Ocean1]

Genesis 9:4 "But you shall not eat flesh with its life,that is, its blood"

No black pudding then? :shutup:

[Joni]

No black pudding then? :shutup:Well I have been happily eating meat since my early twenties... but that idea still makes me shudder, dont think Im ready for black pudding yet! :no:

[ManDownUnder]

Genesis 9:4 "But you shall not eat flesh with its life,that is, its blood"

so if it is still breathing/alive, blood is still pumping through its veins... don't eat it... wait till it is dead...

Well there's a number of fun sexual acts right out the window then... and yet... necrophilia is ok?

Surely not...

[Ocean1]

Well I have been happily eating meat since my early twenties... but that idea still makes me shudder, dont think Im ready for black pudding yet! :no:

Mmmmmm, fried in beef dripping until it's all crispy on the outside :niceone: :laugh:

Used to get it served up occasionally at home, never knew what it was until I was older. Still have it occasionally although I'm not a rabid fan.

Think it's still part of the staple diet in the English midlands.

[ZeroIndex]

No black pudding then? :shutup:
as I said, wait till it's dead

[ZeroIndex]

Well there's a number of fun sexual acts right out the window then... and yet... necrophilia is ok?

Surely not...
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[notasothers]

You know how there is one thing that really gets to you... this is my pet hate.

We're omnivores people!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore

:Punk:

[jafar]

No black pudding then? :shutup:


Well I have been happily eating meat since my early twenties... but that idea still makes me shudder, dont think Im ready for black pudding yet! :no:

MMMMMMMM Black pudding , great stuff :yes:

Although what this has to do with shagging vegans has got me :buggerd:
Who would want to, the ones I have met have been way to thin & so caught up in their veganism that they make raving lesbians seem attractive:whocares:

[jrandom]

I have been happily eating meat since my early twenties...

How did I overlook the double-entendre possibilities in that statement for three whole hours?

I'm losing my touch.

[Edit: Closer to two, actually. Not so bad.]

[Edbear]

No black pudding then? :shutup:\


Not according to the Bible. Personally, scripture or not, I couldn't bring myself to eat that stuff!:sick: