Number plate mounting, is this "legal"?

[kiwifruit]

My Dad is having a court case today, disputing a ticket he received.
"Failed to display reg plate in prescribed manner"

Will he win?
Will he loose?
Is it legal?

see attached photo of Dad's bike on the left below and Mum's on the right

[Matt Bleck]

I doubt it's legal.........

[imdying]

At a guess, he's about to get pwned. With a big fine for wasting the courts time.

[imdying]

Section 14 of the Transport (Vehicle and Driver Registration and Licensing) Act 1986


14Form of registration plates and licences

(1)The Minister may from time to time, by notice in the Gazette,—

(a)Prescribe the form and colour of registration plates and licences, the size, shape, and character of the letters, numbers, or distinguishing marks to be shown on them, and the means to be adopted to make the plates and licences easily visible:

(b)Prescribe the number of registration plates to be displayed and the position or positions in which registration plates and licences are to be displayed.




What does that mean? I guess he'll find out :D

[ManDownUnder]

I just find it odd this is a vote... we can vote on facts now???

COOL! Who votes that gravity should be sideways?

[BarBender]

Dad could quote the Dennis DeNudo arguement and precedent...by stating that the plate was displayed accordingly to the vibe of the law? :no:



By the way...Pedro offers you his protection.

[kiwifruit]

I just find it odd this is a vote... we can vote on facts now???

COOL! Who votes that gravtity should be sideways?

Do you think the old man will win or loose, simple. Vote away.

[NinjaNanna]

Lose, I can't even see it !!!! Am I blind????

[kiwifruit]

Lose, I can't even see it !!!! Am I blind????

Its mounted on a bracket on the left hand side of the swingarm inline with the axle. I've photoshopped all but one letter off it for his protection

[Cajun]

lose most likley since can't see it from 45 degrees of each side of bike or some crap like that

[davereid]

Thats the factory location on some older harleys. But the plate has to be horizontal, so dad loses.

[Ghost Rider]

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[LilSel]

what about all the boy racer cars that have their numberplates hanging off on an angle?!?... I dont see them getting pulled up for it... also have seen quite a few mounted in the tailgate (sunk in) on utes etc... on an angle... almost vertical... whats the diff??... diff rules for cars & bikes?...
:whocares:

Edit: I guess you can see it as it is still on the rear of the car tho... not the side

[Grahameeboy]

To be honest the cop should have just said "Look sonny.....you need to make the plate legal from all rear angles".....and just told you to change and if you get caught again etc.

Plus it looks silly on the side.....

I think you may win on a technicality though because the piece that Imdying has brought up is a bit wishy washy.

[kiwifruit]

To be honest the cop should have just said "Look sonny.....you need to make the plate legal from all rear angles".....and just told you to change and if you get caught again etc.


Yeah, he wasn't given a warning, just a ticket. Vote.

[Filterer]

My old man has a trailor with the number plate vertical, and I'm sure I have seen many more like it

[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, he wasn't given a warning, just a ticket. Vote.

My Post voted.......................:bye:

[mdooher]

Affixing of registration plates (other than trade plates)

Registration plates issued for a motor vehicle shall be displayed as follows:

(a)In the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor vehicle of any of the kinds specified in paragraph (b) of this clause, one plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, and both plates shall be in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible:


(b)in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.


So he will loose

[Sanx]

(b)in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.
So he will loose

Not so fast, Tonto. "Upright position" is not absolute. You could argue that mounting the plate on its side is actually upright. Longest side is perpendicular to the floor, etc. Would take a clever lawyer to convince the magistrate of this, but I reckon it's a possibility.

However, my guess is he'll still lose.

[Sanx]

And he rides a Honda. Should throw the book at him just for that. Offence: "Daring to ride a gay bike in public with no thought for public decency". these Honda riders. Scum of the earth, the lot of them.

[hellnback]

Seen heaps of custom choppers and shit all mounted like that. I reckon he'll WIN for sure!

[steved]

see attached photo of Dad's bike on the left below and Mum's on the right


Your parents is cool! How many of us have both parents who ride? :rockon:

[rwh]

(b)in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.


I'd interpret 'upright' to mean 'in a plane perpendicular to the horizontal', which would mean that both of them (and mine, IIRC) should fail for being tilted forward. Depending on how much tolerance is allowed.

Richard

[mdooher]

Not so fast, Tonto. "Upright position" is not absolute. You could argue that mounting the plate on its side is actually upright. Longest side is perpendicular to the floor, etc. Would take a clever lawyer to convince the magistrate of this, but I reckon it's a possibility.

However, my guess is he'll still lose.

Maybe if you can get Denny Crane to represent you

[kiwifruit]

My Post voted.......................:bye:

There is no sit on the fence option :mellow:

[Toaster]

I would hope that common sense would prevail - if it meets the clearly readable and visible criteria, who really cares if it is on its side!

The only issue I see is visibility from the right side.... might be 'obstructed' by the back tyre in that position.

[Maha]

Maybe if you can get Denny Crane to represent you


Better off with Frasier Crane.....:yes:

I saw a cruiser last weekend with the plate mounted in the same place...

[kiwifruit]

I would hope that common sense would prevail - if it meets the clearly readable and visible criteria, who really cares if it is on its side!

The only issue I see is visibility from the right side.... might be 'obstructed' by the chicken strips in that position.

yes, thats the only problem i see with it too

[chris]

Dad could quote the Dennis DeNudo arguement and precedent...by stating that the plate was displayed accordingly to the vibe of the law?
It's against the constitution.......

[McJim]

Your parents is cool! How many of us have both parents who ride? :rockon:

Both of my sons. s'true.

On topic though. which plane is the upright rule applicable to. I suspect it refers to the white surface of the plate being rear facing (rather than skywards or earthwards) in which case convincing argument could be made as to the spirit of the law and the fact that the constable in question may have misinterpreted the wording.

However I think he'll lose (coz NZ courts don't like the cute smartarse arguments) but I hope he wins...

[T.I.E]

judge, jury, ________??????

punishable by _________??????

[SPman]

What plate?

Oh - over there...........he's done for!

[McJim]

Well it's well past 5:00pm so surely we have an answer.

Did he get done or did he get away with it?

[jrandom]

For what Mr Fruit, Snr, is about to receive, may the Lord make him truly thankful...

[Mom]

I wonder what happened to draw the officers attention to the plate in the first place? Seen a few plates mounted like that, good luck to him defending it, I think he will lose!

[Panther]

Wouldn't a number plate mounted normally with a secrret switch (mounted next to the horn) to flip it up when your monoing past a cop before your runner be a nifty idea...:innocent::innocent:

Your Dads a beast!! What does your mum say? That he should have run?

[scumdog]

Not so fast, Tonto. "Upright position" is not absolute. You could argue that mounting the plate on its side is actually upright. Longest side is perpendicular to the floor, etc. Would take a clever lawyer to convince the magistrate of this, but I reckon it's a possibility.

However, my guess is he'll still lose.

I back this guy - I would never ticket anybody for a plate in that position - unless they 'talked' me into it - but I WOULD suggest it be mounted to the right of the swing-arm.:yes:

[jrandom]

The 'prescribed positions' are apparently published in the Gazette.

Fucked if I know what a Gazette is, but I imagine that examination of the relevant text would be conclusive, and will have occurred in court today.

[Sanx]

I back this guy - I would never ticket anybody for a plate in that position - unless they 'talked' me into it - but I WOULD suggest it be mounted to the right of the swing-arm.:yes:

:thud:

(ten very surprised chars)

[Nasty]

The 'prescribed positions' are apparently published in the Gazette.

Fucked if I know what a Gazette is, but I imagine that examination of the relevant text would be conclusive, and will have occurred in court today.

The gazette is the parlimentary papers that get published .. absolutely riviting reading if you ask me :laugh:

[Coldrider]

The Gazzette means the legislation can be changed without going through parliament, used to be in order of council or something.
I think the positioning of the plate is intended to be obstructed, and that is why it is pushing the limits.

[merv]

I'm not even going to bother voting but just say why on earth did he bother? Is his bike now 0.02km/hr faster than your Mum's or is it actually slower from being less aerodynamic with the damn thing stuck out the side like that. Or did he just want it to look like a race bike on the street by hiding it from general view?

[Grahameeboy]

There is no sit on the fence option :mellow:

?????..............................

[jrandom]

I'm not even going to bother voting but just say why on earth did he bother?

After-market can, no fender. Shame to spoil that pretty Honda arse. :love:

[scumdog]

I think the positioning of the plate is intended to be obstructed, and that is why it is pushing the limits.

I concur - hence my comment on moving it to the right-hand side.

[Grahameeboy]

I concur - hence my comment on moving it to the right-hand side.

I think the cop should have just had a word and pointed that out and left it at that.....mind you not sure what the fine would be, presume no demerits so perhaps one to not worry about but good on him for trying and I still think he may win although no result posted yet so if it was win we would have heard by now.....shit I am rambling

[Mr. Peanut]

He loses for increasing unsprung weight.

[Chrislost]

Affixing of registration plates (other than trade plates)

Registration plates issued for a motor vehicle shall be displayed as follows:

(a)In the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor vehicle of any of the kinds specified in paragraph (b) of this clause, one plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, and both plates shall be in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible:


(b)in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.


So he will loose

it is upright.
just erect upright not hanging upright

[Grahameeboy]

it is upright.
just erect upright not hanging upright

Surely it is 'hang down'.......how can something hang upright??

To fasten from above with no support from below; suspend.

[jrandom]

it is upright.
just erect upright not hanging upright

I'd be surprised if a judge considers that argument to be anything other than slippery bullshit.

'Upright' should most sensibly mean 'letters and numbers in the usual reading orientation'.

[kiwifruit]

Is everybody in? The ceremony is about to begin

[jrandom]

Is everybody in? The ceremony is about to begin

Stop being all about the suspense, dude. Spill.

[kiwifruit]

I'd be surprised if a judge considers that argument to be anything other than slippery bullshit.


He won.:yes:

[jrandom]

He won.:yes:

Colour me surprised, then, and well done.

I guess he knows what he's doing when it comes to bolting things onto bikes.

:niceone:

[terbang]

Oh cool, I just voted.

[McJim]

Can I change my vote?

And by the way, Gazette = a small Gazelle. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. :rofl:

[Conquiztador]

He won.:yes:

Now we need the case and the number so that we can quote it when we get stopped...

Then again I have a suspicion that there will be some wording changes to the law now...

But tell us more, what happened???

[kiwifruit]

Can I change my vote?

heh .

[pzkpfw]

On what exact grounds did he win? What can we all learn about the legals?


(...and [I ask no-one in particular] why do cars get away with tow-bars that permanently obscure half their plates?)

[kiwifruit]

he won because the law states bla bla bla and his situation was found to be within these fathoms

no lawyer needed, just research, photos (the same photo i posted etc).


What can we all learn about the legals?

fight.

[boomer]

Congrats to teh fruity family!

one for the good guys:rockon:

[kiwifruit]

Your Dads a beast!! What does your mum say? That he should have run?

Mum was the brains behind the operation
the research, the wording of the defense, who needs a lawyer

run?
gosh!

[Grahameeboy]

He won.:yes:

See I said so.....................good result there.......Judge made a decent decision.

[Grahameeboy]

Mum was the brains behind the operation
the research, the wording of the defense, who needs a lawyer

run?
gosh!

I think that sometimes DIY is better.................

[Max Preload]

Where's the picture?

[Max Preload]

Never mind. Forgot to make a "Tinypic" exemption in the Mozilla settings permitting loading of images from a non-originating sites... my bad.

[saul]

Mum was the brains behind the operation
the research, the wording of the defense, who needs a lawyer

run?
gosh!

Well well :sunny:

Did some one call:yes:

[Nasty]

[QUOTE=kiwifruit;1156385]Mum was the brains behind the operation
the research, the wording of the defense, who needs a lawyer[QUOTE]

Mums are always the brains behind the operation ... in fact they are always the brains! :yes:

[Kflasher]

[QUOTE=kiwifruit;1155608]My Dad is having a court case today, disputing a ticket he received.
"Number plate not mounted in proscribed fashion"

Will he win?
Will he loose?
Is it legal?

see attached photo of Dad's bike on the left below and Mum's on the right

I have seen an issue like this, a photo was produced with a warrated trailer with the same mounting position (ie Vertical). It appears to be common pratice and over looked on trailers so one could only asume...may be something in that... cool for the win

[scumdog]

He won?
No surprise to me.
Shouldn't have got the ticket (I assume he was not a smart-arse that gave the cop shit when stop?) .

[imdying]

Awesome, tell us more :D :D

[boomer]

H(I assume he was not a smart-arse that gave the cop shit when stop?) .

Yeah i bet that played a huge factor in the judge siding with the defendant...
:mellow:

[scumdog]

Yeah i bet that played a huge factor in the judge siding with the defendant...
:mellow:

Dunno about that - but it WOULD make a big difference whether he got a ticket or not in the first place...sheesh.

[boomer]

Dunno about that - but it WOULD make a big difference whether he got a ticket or not in the first place...sheesh.

exactly my point.. the police shouldn't be giving people tickets based on there attitude.. they're here to police the laws as defined by governments not our demeanour !

[Animal]

...Fucked if I know what a Gazette is...

Isn't it a kind of antelope? I don't think they need number plates but I could be wrong.

[scumdog]

exactly my point.. the police shouldn't be giving people tickets based on there attitude.. they're here to police the laws as defined by governments not our demeanour !

Riiight.. gotcha, NO discretion eh? Attitude or no attitude, give 'em tickets if there's any reason to.:yes::whistle:

Good one, I can hear the KB screams from here.:wait:

[Swoop]

The gazette is the parlimentary papers that get published .. absolutely riviting reading if you ask me :laugh:
Yeah...... (The butler does it!)



So long as the plate is visible from the rear (and not hinged, etc, etc...).
Pretty damn obvious that it is difficult to mount a plate under the seat since the exhaust is there.

[Delphinus]

exactly my point.. the police shouldn't be giving people tickets based on there attitude.. they're here to police the laws as defined by governments not our demeanour !

Its not that hard to be polite... and obviously goes a long way...
Should apply to more aspects of life to get in practise if its that hard ;)

[Blackbird]

Great result, but the main thing I'm impressed to heck with is that your Mum and Dad actually ride bikes like that.:rockon: Long may they prosper, you have fantastic parents.

[phoenixgtr]

Great result, but the main thing I'm impressed to heck with is that your Mum and Dad actually ride bikes like that.:rockon: Long may they prosper, you have fantastic parents.

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Kiwifruit,your parents are cool!!

[boomer]

Its not that hard to be polite... and obviously goes a long way...
Should apply to more aspects of life to get in practise if its that hard ;)

are you a tree hugger?

[kiwifruit]

Awesome, tell us more :D :D

There wasn't alot to it, just Mum reading up on the wording of the law, Dad taking photos for evidence and turning up at court. It comes down to the wording of the law and how the powers interpret that on the day i guess.


Great result, but the main thing I'm impressed to heck with is that your Mum and Dad actually ride bikes like that.:rockon: Long may they prosper, you have fantastic parents.


Thats exactly what I was thinking. Kiwifruit,your parents are cool!!
Cheers :D
Yep, they're awesome :rockon:

[Pancakes]

are you a tree hugger?

Sheesh Boomer? fail the attitude test much? hahahahaha. I bet you get booked everytime you get pulled over? Wrongly quoting the law before the cops in earshot? yelling and having a little paddy?

I Dodn't do anything I consider dangerous but have been stopped riding outside of the written letter of the law every now and then. Probably get tickets one time out of six on average. Just pull over in the first safe place for you both, make it clear your stopping not running if you ride on for a bit to get to a safe place. They might even be real people who can make a judgement call on whether you were dangerous and deserving of a ticket or simply needed pulling over cos you can't let the cars see a bike speed past a cop and not get stopped. Cars see justice, cop gets to see your not drunk or wanted for anything and gets to make an accurate assesment of the situation and decide if you need a frown or fine or demerits.

AND WHATS WRONG WITH HUGGING TREES?

[Disco Dan]

My Dad is having a court case today, disputing a ticket he received.
"Number plate not mounted in proscribed fashion"

Will he win?
Will he loose?
Is it legal?

see attached photo of Dad's bike on the left below and Mum's on the right



no way thats legal. just put it on the back like everyone else and take it up the arse from the judge like a good boy ;) :dodge:

[boomer]

Sheesh Boomer? fail the attitude test much? hahahahaha. I bet you get booked everytime you get pulled over? Wrongly quoting the law before the cops in earshot? yelling and having a little paddy?

I Dodn't do anything I consider dangerous but have been stopped riding outside of the written letter of the law every now and then. Probably get tickets one time out of six on average. Just pull over in the first safe place for you both, make it clear your stopping not running if you ride on for a bit to get to a safe place. They might even be real people who can make a judgement call on whether you were dangerous and deserving of a ticket or simply needed pulling over cos you can't let the cars see a bike speed past a cop and not get stopped. Cars see justice, cop gets to see your not drunk or wanted for anything and gets to make an accurate assesment of the situation and decide if you need a frown or fine or demerits.

AND WHATS WRONG WITH HUGGING TREES?

i know you're a tree hugger.. you ride a Hyoslung

[Pancakes]

i know you're a tree hugger.. you ride a Hyoslung

and Korea has a real good environmental track record a? Jee wiz, I am concerned about the planet more than you would understand. If you knew me you might have a clue what you were talking about!

Try. Pancakes is cheap and values known history over power.... so rides a Hyosung. Is a tree hugger because he lobbies government on things like packaging laws, green belts and energy production. Say what you like Boomer, I won't be replying off topic again, have fun!

Anyway thats off topic!

Mr Fruit, good choice of parents, have a celebration beer for me a!

[boomer]

Say what you like Boomer, I won't be replying off topic again, have fun!


So much restraint Au! shame you didn't use it before you enlightened us with the last 2 posts ;)

and for the record.. never got a ticket.. i don't stop :first:

[McJim]

no way thats legal. just put it on the back like everyone else and take it up the arse from the judge like a good boy ;) :dodge:

So you didn't read the whole thread then? Judge gave it to the issuing copper...up the arse.

[boomer]

So you didn't read the whole thread then? Judge gave it to the issuing copper...up the arse.

yeah but only 'cos he was polite :rofl:

and you've got to give Desperate Dan some dispensation.. he's slow in all meanings of the word

[Sanx]

"Number plate not mounted in proscribed fashion"


Dude ... just out of interest, did the cop write that phrase exactly as written and spelled?

[boomer]

Dude ... just out of interest, did the cop write that phrase exactly as written and spelled?

didn't they teach you that at school Snx..."Say it as you see it.. say it as you see it;) "

[Sanx]

Well, if the ticket was written like that, I'd have a field day in court. In fact, I'd have probably brought along spectators.

[Holy Roller]

I've seen Harleys with their plate mounted there.

Good Luck:rockon:

[kiwifruit]

Dude ... just out of interest, did the cop write that phrase exactly as written and spelled?

close.
the ticket reads:
"Failed to display reg plate in prescribed manner"
please excuse my use of the words proscribed and fashion :)

[Conquiztador]

close.
the ticket reads:
"Failed to display reg plate in prescribed manner"
please excuse my use of the words proscribed and fashion :)

I have taken a sick fancy to you...

[jrandom]

please excuse my use of the words...

Fa, fa, fa, fa...

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[sAsLEX]

Dude ... just out of interest, did the cop write that phrase exactly as written and spelled?

I have been a Navel Officer before.......

[Max Preload]

Shouldn't have got the ticket (I assume he was not a smart-arse that gave the cop shit when stop?) .

Why should that even factor into whether a ticket is issued? Are most traffic cops vindictive pricks who don't like the fact some members of the public don't stare in awe at the police's power and lower themselves to grovelling?

[Conquiztador]

Why should that even factor into whether a ticket is issued? Are most traffic cops vindictive pricks who don't like the fact some members of the public don't stare in awe at the police's power and lower themselves to grovelling?

Now we are gettting down to the umph...

Reality: When I am nice (sorry...) I do get very few tickets

When I am loud and tell the officers my rights I always ge a ticket.

So, simple:
No money in account keep mouth shut.
Money in account, tell em what U think..

[scumdog]

Now we are gettting down to the umph...

Reality: When I am nice (sorry...) I do get very few tickets

When I am loud and tell the officers my rights I always ge a ticket.

So, simple:
No money in account keep mouth shut.
Money in account, tell em what U think..

How come you could think of that and awful-truth couldn't?

Are you smarter than awful-truth?

[Sanx]

I don't get enough tickets to come up with a statistically-valid comparison, but I am universally polite every time I'm pulled over. And I get a ticket every time. But I've never been pulled over whilst on my bike.

[adamh]

glad to see he won m8 :third:

[kiwifruit]

glad to see he won m8 :third:

cheers Adam :)
welcome to the site

[Littleman]

Why should that even factor into whether a ticket is issued? Are most traffic cops vindictive pricks who don't like the fact some members of the public don't stare in awe at the police's power and lower themselves to grovelling?

Quota's not withstanding:

It's really common sense actually.

If the officer speaks to you(or lectures you) and finds that you lack comprehension and responsibility for the offence he will take the next step up and issue a ticket.

So to make it more simple: If a verbal warning is a waste of time, resort to alternative means to modify the motorists behaviour.

If it means the difference between me being polite and not getting a ticket for being a restricted rider on a 400.... easy choice and the smart one.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Bloody good kiwifruit... Im starting my own post about my case... SD and Patrick Id appretiate ur inputs especially... Cheers...

[Max Preload]

Now we are gettting down to the umph...

Reality: When I am nice (sorry...) I do get very few tickets

When I am loud and tell the officers my rights I always ge a ticket.

So, simple:
No money in account keep mouth shut.
Money in account, tell em what U think..


How come you could think of that and awful-truth couldn't?

Are you smarter than awful-truth?

So it is all about whether you've been being grovelled to to make you feel like "the man"?

How very unprofessional. Nothing new there.

[Pancakes]

Can't speak for anyone else but I've never grovelled to a cop. Just not giving any bullshit talk or "who pays your wages" attitude seems to be ray of sunlight on the coppa's day. If I'm speeding or splitting or whatever I normally know the $'s and demerits before I get stopped so if I don't get a ticket it's a bonus! We all know the rules really a? Guess I just have a purdy meowth eh boi! hahahahaha. Luck 'o' the Irish.

[scumdog]

Can't speak for anyone else but I've never grovelled to a cop. Just not giving any bullshit talk or "who pays your wages" attitude seems to be ray of sunlight on the coppa's day. If I'm speeding or splitting or whatever I normally know the $'s and demerits before I get stopped so if I don't get a ticket it's a bonus! We all know the rules really a? Guess I just have a purdy meowth eh boi! hahahahaha. Luck 'o' the Irish.

Shut up you fool - you're ruining the image of police and getting tickets that awful-truth wishes to portray!!

[scumdog]

So it is all about whether you've been being grovelled to to make you feel like "the man"?

How very unprofessional. Nothing new there.

Hey ease-up - I've a small wiener, ride a Harley, wear tassles, have a porn-star mo --- I have to do something to make me feel like "the man" and making motorists grovel to me or risk a ticket is the way I do it.:innocent:

[Patrick]

So it is all about whether you've been being grovelled to to make you feel like "the man"?


Can't speak for anyone else but I've never grovelled to a cop. Just not giving any bullshit talk or "who pays your wages" attitude

awful truth, meet pancakes... he speaks great wisdom, grasshopper.... you have much to learn....

[HungusMaximist]

Gee, your Mum and Dad must be as cool as a cucumber with those bikes..

[kiwifruit]

Gee, your Mum and Dad must be as cool as a cucumber with those bikes..

they sure are :cool:

[shafty]

Great thread Kiwi - caught up with said Seniors for Brekkie, and agree that "Yes they are WAY cool"!! Cheers Shafty and GoGAl

[Max Preload]

Can't speak for anyone else but I've never grovelled to a cop. Just not giving any bullshit talk or "who pays your wages"


So it is all about whether you've been being grovelled to to make you feel like "the man"?

awful truth, meet pancakes... he speaks great wisdom, grasshopper.... you have much to learn....

I can't say I've ever grovelled to a cop or anyone else for that matter nor given them bullshit, or even gone with the wages line. I'm very civil. That's less than can be said for them. Having said that I haven't had a ticket or even been stopped in probably 6 years, aside from the usual checkpoints.

[oldrider]

Affixing of registration plates (other than trade plates)

Registration plates issued for a motor vehicle shall be displayed as follows:

(a)In the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor vehicle of any of the kinds specified in paragraph (b) of this clause, one plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, and both plates shall be in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible:


(b)in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.


So he will loose

Also has to be illuminated so as to be read just as clearly at night!

Is your Dad's plate illuminated accordingly? :spudwhat: If not, it shouldn't have a WOF!

If it has a current WOF, why has he got a ticket? :nono: John.

[popelli]

fight it in court

i got a ticket years ago for not having the correct number plate

I had made my own smaller plate up

basis of defence was that the plate as supplied by the post office was too large and constitued a dangerous fixture or fitting an contravened wof regulations

had a contact who was a osh inspector, got a letter from him confirming that the plate was in fact a dangerous fixture or fitting

plods promptly threw case out and refused to produce any evidence for the prosecution

shortly there after the current style of number plate was reintroduced instead of the previous mandatory eye chart

take it to court and fight if you think you have a valid case

[dmouse]

my plate is mounted on a plate that covers the clutch on the leftside of the bike and cannot be seen from the right, i have been stopped twice by the police and asked is it legal ? all i said was it passed vin and wof with no problems, its in a custom houseing that is illuminated and has my brake light built in as well.

[Conquiztador]

And U sweet???

[scumdog]

my plate is mounted on a plate that covers the clutch on the leftside of the bike and cannot be seen from the right, i have been stopped twice by the police and asked is it legal ? all i said was it passed vin and wof with no problems, its in a custom houseing that is illuminated and has my brake light built in as well.



Gee, I bet he'd really show 'em if he said 'ferk-off' to the plods when stopped eh? where does he think he's going to get with these manby-pamby logical answers to their questions??

F'rkn pussy.

[dmouse]

namby pamby ya gota be jokin i look at having a full licence as a privalige and i aint gona lose it, i like my bike i love the freedom it gives me and most of all i respect other bilers no matter what they choose to ride,

[NighthawkNZ]

I just find it odd this is a vote... we can vote on facts now???

COOL! Who votes that gravity should be sideways?

but... but.. but there is no such thing as gravity... the earth just sux :Pokey:

[ManDownUnder]

but... but.. but there is no such thing as gravity... the earth just sux :Pokey:

LOL mate common enough mistake - that's actually Wellington.. or more specifically, wherever Uncle Helen's hanging out at the time.

[xjtrem]

What the hell. Your old man probably did it in the first place to antagonise the cops any way.

[Gubb]

dreeeeeedge!

[ElCoyote]

[QUOTE=jrandom;1156038]I'd be surprised if a judge considers that argument to be anything other than slippery bullshit.

What is it that comes out of lawyers mouths every minute. Judge should be immune to it by now

:Police:

[2fst4u]

dreeeeeedge!

AAHAHA. o well. when you first sign up, all the topics say they are new. it's an easy mistake

[kiwifruit]

What the hell. Your old man probably did it in the first place to antagonise the cops any way.

yeah, probably

[PirateJafa]

yeah, probably

dreeeeeedge!

[digitalmacdonald]

OK, so I got stopped today and given a talking to about the position of my number plate. I have a custom can on my sport bike which means the factory bracket is no longer there. So, the plate is now mounted on the inside of the wheel well (basically where it would be if there was a bracket, except much deeper in). The officer who stopped me said it needed to be behind the back wheel. Mine is currently in front of the back wheel, but high enough that the back wheel would never cover it. Anyone have any info on EXACTLY where the plate needs to be mounted? See attached photo for details.

Would like opinions but would LOVE someone who could point me in the direction of the legal wording. Don't really want to have to move it unless i
I REALLY have to.

[scumdog]

Well IF you were to carry a 80kg pillion would it still be visible? and does it have a number-plate light?

[Conquiztador]

Well IF you were to carry a 80kg pillion would it still be visible? and does it have a number-plate light?

Would say that the light is missing. And I might be wrong, but looks like a solo bike?

[scumdog]

Would say that the light is missing. And I might be wrong, but looks like a solo bike?


Hence why I said 'IF' in caps.

And I have no problem with his plate locating - but that ain't proof that it's legal.

[Conquiztador]

OK. Interested in the legal aspect here as I have also been riding bikes with plates in "strange" places. So had a good read of the "Vehicle inspection requirements manual - In-service certification" http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

But nowhere could I find anything about where a plate had to be mounted. There was info re the plate light. But thats it.

(Found a interesting thing: A Motorbike can be max 12.9 meters long...)

Anyone else found any rules/regulations re the plate mounting?

[digitalmacdonald]

Would say that the light is missing. And I might be wrong, but looks like a solo bike?

Yep, dead right on both counts. I think mounting a light in that position should not be too hard. Don't want to go down that path if I will still get stung for the position though.

It is a solo at the moment, but to be fair, it could have the pillon seat put back on in the future I guess. Maybe as long as it stays a solo (which knowing my wife will be forever) the location is cool, but if I put the second seat back on it is no go.

[unrealone]

OK, so I got stopped today and given a talking to about the position of my number plate. I have a custom can on my sport bike which means the factory bracket is no longer there. So, the plate is now mounted on the inside of the wheel well (basically where it would be if there was a bracket, except much deeper in). The officer who stopped me said it needed to be behind the back wheel. Mine is currently in front of the back wheel, but high enough that the back wheel would never cover it. Anyone have any info on EXACTLY where the plate needs to be mounted? See attached photo for details.

Would like opinions but would LOVE someone who could point me in the direction of the legal wording. Don't really want to have to move it unless i
I REALLY have to.

Maybe they're concerned a Speed Camera wouldn't be able to see it? :)

[avgas]

hmmm was talking to a few of my boy racer friends and they have a good twist to it.
Yes it is illegal (according to them) - but why?
Now let say you have a car, you take the plates off and you put them in the front and back windows.... that is illegal (they have the tickets to prove it).
Their feelings being if you did the same to a bike - its also illegal as "according to one ticket" - 'Plate is not mounted on EXTERNAL surface'
So while it is visible, it is not mounted AT THE REAR of the bike.
Clear as mud really

[n0regret5]

my brothers chopper just passed certification with the plate mounted like that, if you need proof PM me and i'll get some pics.

[nodrog]

its only illegal in the window of your car because its not "fixed" and can be moved or "fall down" so its not visible.

you can fix a number plate anywhere facing backwards on your bike as long as its CLEARLY visible from behind, and has lights and shit.

the only thing they get pissy about most times is no rear reflector as this is a requirment for a wof.

[craisin]

it cost $8 for another plate:doh: if you cant find the plate then its lost is that too easy

[Soul.Trader]

my brothers chopper just passed certification with the plate mounted like that, if you need proof PM me and i'll get some pics.

Perhaps because they don't give a shit where you mount your numberplate for certification? Kinda like saying "I got a WOF with no oil in my engine, therefore my engine can be run just fine with no oil".

[Counter-Steer]

But a different set of allowances for others?
Many trailers, both for cartage and for boats, have their number plates mounted on the mudguard to the side and not on the rear of the trailer. Quite a few boat trailers also have their rego plates mounted vertically, (taken to be the same as his fathers) on the upright on either side of the boat. Why was his father made an example of?

[gixxer-king]

I just find it odd this is a vote... we can vote on facts now???

COOL! Who votes that gravity should be sideways?

vote it should be, doesnt mean it will change, just that it should be. GOTCHA! ah + rep for you anyway

[rastuscat]

But a different set of allowances for others?
Many trailers, both for cartage and for boats, have their number plates mounted on the mudguard to the side and not on the rear of the trailer. Quite a few boat trailers also have their rego plates mounted vertically, (taken to be the same as his fathers) on the upright on either side of the boat. Why was his father made an example of?

Example? He got a ticket for what he did, how does that make him an example?

[quack]

Ur dad's gonna lose lol... cant even see the plate