Which police force to join?

[Mole_C]

Looking at joining up for the cops and tossing up between staying here or moving over to aussie. Just looking for other peoples opinions (preferably people who actually know something) about the advantages of each force/country in general.

So, post where and why you think i should go :yes:

PS. Looking at becoming dog squad/search and rescue and eventually detective down the track.
PPS. I won't give you speeding tickets on your bike and applaud any wheelies i see :yes:

[canarlee]

be a cop in oz!



we dont want anymore cops in NZ!!!

[Maha]

Go join the Mounties!......:Police:

[ManDownUnder]

Oz - much better career prospects etc, the stndard of living in Oz is higher and I'd fully expect the Aus cops to be paid more.

Apart from that... NZ all the way!

[MSTRS]

PPS. I won't give you speeding tickets on your bike and applaud any wheelies i see :yes:

Oh sure - you say that now......:oi-grr:

[McJim]

preferably people who actually know something

Then why did you ask the KB Community at large? Have you learned nothing in your time here?:rofl:

[oldrider]

I voted NZ, we need more cops, more than they do!

Mine was a completely selfish response.

Please stay home and help, all we need to do then is shoot most of the bloody judges and spring clean the law society!

Our police are really let down by the above groups, over all. (IMHO) :yes: John.

[Karma]

PS. Looking at becoming dog squad/search and rescue and eventually detective down the track.


If you want to become a detective then you'd be looking at oz.

From what I've seen of the police force over here there don't seem to be many detectives, perhaps the chief of police is dyslexic and thought we needed more detectors :shit:

[BMW]

go to aussie. There interest rates are only 7%!

and they have guns!

[WarlockNZ]

hmmmmmm guns!! ... wait .. did i say that out loud?

[Usarka]

Aus then you can shoot abos

[scumdog]

Go to Aussie - at least there ya won't have dicks having a go at you on KB!!

[rudolph]

Join the NZ one and clear out all those no good "Homeys"

[Usarka]

some one wants to be a cop? go to aus and raise the average IQ's of both countries!

bahahaha an oldie but a goodie

[Timber020]

You can make better money in Aus, the cops there are much better at taking bribes, running protection rackets and I think accidently shooting people gets you promotions! (im kidding, mostly)

You may need to spend some time with skinheads just in case your not racist enough for there standards.

One thing I will never miss about Aussie is their cops. They are alot better than what they used to be. It got to the stage they had to recruit cops from outside the nation to get clean ones they could give top jobs to as the rest were bent.

[The Pastor]

aussie cops are right tosses when it comes to the law, cant even steal anything or sell dope man.

[Titanium]

Real crims, real guns, heaps of job prospects, you would probably get to bash a lot of perp's.

Real gunfights and major gangland activity, massive ice problem, cities with the population of NEw Zealand and all the associated crimes in a condensed area.

[Clivoris]

Go to Aussie - at least there ya won't have dicks having a go at you on KB!!

That's a bit hopeful SD.

[Clivoris]

If your serious mate it probably boils down to which country and culture you prefer. I haven't talked to any Aussy cops but have met a few kiwi ones. It's a harder job than most people imagine, but if you can hold onto a grounded perspective about the job and people in general there can be some real satisfaction obtained. Big challenges equal big rewards, but they sure cop some shit. I supect the details aren't really that different in Aus.

I reckon Aussy is a bit like fast food. Promises more than it really delivers and is more tolerable when you're young. I love the place but would never live there. We have the best country in the world. Stay here and make it even better by telling your mates where the speed traps are.

[jimbo600]

Mate I'd say NZ. You'd be surprised at the pay rates. NZ police are well paid and I believe are better paid than most Aussie state cops. I know a few ex NZ police who went over to enlist in the Queensland police and plenty came back. The only thing about NZ cops is that if you even fart in the wrong place you're all over the news. But hey alot of that is thanks to the traffic guys giving them a shitty name.

If you go to Aussie join AFP. Better overseas options.

[Toaster]

If you want to become a detective then you'd be looking at oz.

From what I've seen of the police force over here there don't seem to be many detectives, perhaps the chief of police is dyslexic and thought we needed more detectors :shit:

Very good.... yeah, just check out the number of HP/traffic to GDB car ratios there are.

[nallac]

join the aussie coppers

get to carry big ass guns ,drive V8 patrol cars.

best of all get to stick it to aussies

[Toaster]

But hey alot of that is thanks to the traffic guys giving them a shitty name.

The pay is 'average at best' here, but Aussie have higher tax rates. The annual increments are a joke and no incentive to stay for skilled people who join the police in NZ. The pay rounds are barely regular enough to manage an average increase equal to the CPI index but it gets dressed up to sound good to the cops that don't understand the concept of inflation (which nowdays would be quite a number of them - some of the new recruits can't even spell or are barely out of school). Why they don't try to retain the older wiser and more experienced common sense cops I don't know.... probably a wages cost control thing.

Nah... blame the government for wanting to reduce the road toll from 700 a year to about 400 and amalgamating the dirty little MOT nazi's into the boys in blue police force.

It has been terrible for criminals, the poor bastards now get locked up because the cops tip them out as part of traffic duties. Shame that. I'd would rather see more people die or get injured on the roads and crims be able to drive about freely like the good old days so we can speed like the pro racers we all think we are and feel good about ourselves not getting tickets we so undeservedly get issued.

The police do a very public and thankless job. Dealing with all manner of shit and shitheads day in day out. Then they also have to do traffic to keep the govt happy and keep us safer on the roads all the while getting abused by people who deserved the ticket they got.

Yes, you get tossers in every job. But lets give them coppers a break. The traffic boys and girls are doing their job and we only have ourselves to blame for getting tickets - we choose to speed - not them. They have had the worst time of things because of govt policy and a few bad eggs that got way too much media hype and attention.

[Swoop]

Looking at joining up for the cops
You have answered your own question.
Oz has a Police force.
NZ has an enforcement arm of the Taxation Department...

[Toaster]

One thing i noticed in aussie is how people drive slower.... and the cops have no buffer on speed limits either. Break the limit by even 3km/h and you get a ticket that makes ours look cheap.

[canarlee]

One thing i noticed in aussie is how people drive slower.... and the cops have no buffer on speed limits either. Break the limit by even 3km/h and you get a ticket that makes ours look cheap.

its just like that in spain and the uk!

[canarlee]

Real crims, real guns, heaps of job prospects, you would probably get to bash a lot of perp's.

Real gunfights and major gangland activity, massive ice problem, cities with the population of NEw Zealand and all the associated crimes in a condensed area.

that sounds like my home town!!!


anyone remember lenny henry show? "brrrrrixton brrrrrroadcastiing!"

[jimbo600]

Nah... blame the government for wanting to reduce the road toll from 700 a year to about 400 and amalgamating the dirty little MOT nazi's into the boys in blue police force.

It has been terrible for criminals, the poor bastards now get locked up because the cops tip them out as part of traffic duties. Shame that. I'd would rather see more people die or get injured on the roads and crims be able to drive about freely like the good old days so we can speed like the pro racers we all think we are and feel good about ourselves not getting tickets we so undeservedly get issued.

The police do a very public and thankless job. Dealing with all manner of shit and shitheads day in day out. Then they also have to do traffic to keep the govt happy and keep us safer on the roads all the while getting abused by people who deserved the ticket they got.

Yes, you get tossers in every job. But lets give them coppers a break. The traffic boys and girls are doing their job and we only have ourselves to blame for getting tickets - we choose to speed - not them. They have had the worst time of things because of govt policy and a few bad eggs that got way too much media hype and attention.

Well true. Just pisses me off as you never see HP near accident black spots. You only see them where its easy to clock Mr&Mrs Joe going about their day. I never see them around tosser boy racers near my place either. I guess thats cos they don't pay their fines so its north worth issuing them. HP are like robots mostly. Condescending attitudes and all. But in their defence I suppose they have to put up with gobby wankers for the most part.

But yeah its the govt thats rooted the cops here. Shit they even get crapped on by their own. I refer to Lyn Provost and the email thing a few years back.

I still say join the NZ cops though.

[TLMAN]

I hate to piss on your fire but I think you might have to have lived in the country for a certain period of time before you can apply to join the aussie force, possibly 2 years!

[spudchucka]

You have answered your own question.
Oz has a Police force.
NZ has an enforcement arm of the Taxation Department...

Have you ever tried speeding in Victoria?

[spudchucka]

I hate to piss on your fire but I think you might have to have lived in the country for a certain period of time before you can apply to join the aussie force, possibly 2 years!

You just have to apply for citizenship, which is a painless exercise so long as don't mind the frontal lobotomy.

[spudchucka]

Looking at joining up for the cops and tossing up between staying here or moving over to aussie. Just looking for other peoples opinions (preferably people who actually know something) about the advantages of each force/country in general.

So, post where and why you think i should go :yes:

PS. Looking at becoming dog squad/search and rescue and eventually detective down the track.
PPS. I won't give you speeding tickets on your bike and applaud any wheelies i see :yes:

I lived in North Queensland for six years, its a nice place but I wouldn't want to be a cop there.

If you are serious about going to Oz do your research first, each state has its own police force and conditions are likely to vary from state to state.

Policing is a great career, I wouldn't want to do anything else. We bitch and moan about it at times and we get more than our fair share of bitching and moaning directed at us but despite all the negatives its still a fantastic job.

For my last word on Aussie I'll quote Billy Connelly, "Its a nice place but it needs a population transplant".

[scumdog]

You have answered your own question.
Oz has a Police force.
NZ has an enforcement arm of the Taxation Department...

Mwahahaha, what a wanky troll!!

OK, I'll bite: Double the amount of fines during holidays - that's what happens over there - (maybe the Govt will bring it in here?) .

And that's just ONE of the ways they rake in 'taxes' better than NZ.

Oz Police force ....mwhahahah.

[Toaster]

Well true. Just pisses me off as you never see HP near accident black spots. You only see them where its easy to clock Mr&Mrs Joe going about their day. I never see them around tosser boy racers near my place either. I guess thats cos they don't pay their fines so its north worth issuing them. HP are like robots mostly. Condescending attitudes and all. But in their defence I suppose they have to put up with gobby wankers for the most part.

But yeah its the govt thats rooted the cops here. Shit they even get crapped on by their own. I refer to Lyn Provost and the email thing a few years back.

I still say join the NZ cops though.

I recall when I was in traffic (STU) we were directed to sit in or near black spots for about 4 hours of each shift. The idea being that people slow down when they saw you so their trip through the black spot would be slower and hopefully safer than otherwise might be the case. Bloody boring job, but had to be done.

Boy racers.... they are hoons (boy and girls too). Nothing to glorify there. I get sick of the burnout marks (like graffiti) left behind for homeowners to get upset at because of the mess they leave behind. Someone should do that in their driveways and see how they feel.

In my view, there is no place in the police for rude cops on the roadside. Professional and to the point is all anyone could expect or should expect.

[Mole_C]

I hate to piss on your fire but I think you might have to have lived in the country for a certain period of time before you can apply to join the aussie force, possibly 2 years!

Emailed the Victoria police a few days ago and "Please note that NZ citizens or residents are eligible to apply to join Victoria Police without being required to obtain Australian citizenship or permanent residency."

So hopefully its the same everywhere.

Any of you guys worked both places or know anyone that has?

I think i would like the lifestyle here more, especially somewhere like queenstown (recruiting lady laughed at me when i asked if the waiting list was long there, so not likely :angry:) but the career prospects and work might be better in aussie.

[Karma]

[quote=Toaster;1156453The police do a very public and thankless job. Dealing with all manner of shit and shitheads day in day out. Then they also have to do traffic to keep the govt happy and keep us safer on the roads all the while getting abused by people who deserved the ticket they got.

Yes, you get tossers in every job. But lets give them coppers a break. The traffic boys and girls are doing their job and we only have ourselves to blame for getting tickets - we choose to speed - not them. They have had the worst time of things because of govt policy and a few bad eggs that got way too much media hype and attention.[/quote]

Give em a break? Doubt it somehow.

Forget where I read it, but saw a question asked the other day;

Count how many times you've been ticketed for some kinda driving infringement (speeding / plate / not indicating etc...), now count how many times you've reported a crime (burgulary / beatings etc...).

Which is bigger?

9 times outta 10 it'd be the tickets.

So for instance, it's better for this country to ticket me and a couple of mates for speeding on 16 than it is to catch the fucktard who pushed a guy off the road into the Caltext on upper harbour drive?

Anything other then speeding tickets and it seems the police only turn up to tell the insurance company that it happened. No wonder people aren't scared of nicking stuff, where's the repurcussions?

I'm sure there are some good cops out there, my point is that they're definitely a minority, and it's no good saying they're just doing their job, that's pretty much the weakest excuse there is.

[peasea]

If you want to become a detective then you'd be looking at oz.

From what I've seen of the police force over here there don't seem to be many detectives, perhaps the chief of police is dyslexic and thought we needed more detectors :shit:

.......or 'vindictives' perhaps?

[Swoop]

Mwahahaha, what a wanky troll!
I'll have you pay better respect in future young man!

You truly are a muppet
An extremely high compliment around here! Many thanks!
Now, as you were, back to your donuts.

[MSTRS]

Its just like interest rates...people have short memories they forget 20 years ago the housing interest rates were around 20%.

What I remember was that 20% of $50k was a LOT less than 10% of $500k

[Swoop]

Lol if only you knew what front line Policing was really like.
Your boss says "Be in my office FIRST THING Monday morning!" (11am politician time...) and you had better bring breath mints for afterwards!

[BarBender]

At least start off in your own backyard and stay in New Zealand.
You’re better off using what you know in the context what you know...(if you catch my drift). I also know of a couple of guys who went to Brisbane after time in the force in NZ. One came back and the other is over there now doing security work.

Don’t take this the wrong way – but I’m normally skeptical of peoples motives when choosing the Police force as a career. IMHO its an elite profession for people who are well balanced, are experienced and pragmatic and have high level communication skills.

I hope you genuinely meet the above criteria. The last thing I want to be is pulled up on the Southern doing 111kph by a smart ass who wishes he were in Queenstown for the lifestyle.

If you don’t meet the above criteria then maybe you’re best handling dogs. Most of the guys are bastards anyway.
:dodge:
Good luck with your decision :yes:

[NotaGoth]

NZ so you can confiscate all the drugs and give them to me ;)

[Swoop]

Keep talking fulla i think you would be quite shocked if you knew what it was like being a frontline cop, in fact you would probably be ashamed of your comments :bleh::Police::laugh:
The Chief says "Lou, cuff him, and we'll interrorgate him after we stop for a healthy snack!"

Perhaps I have an "appreciation" of your stressful workload!:rofl:

[Storm]

Yeah, the Simpsons are always an accurate depiction of real life in NZ eh?

[Titanium]

Have you ever tried speeding in Victoria?

Thats right, just try it ...... taxation to the max and demerit points to boot.

24 over the limit and you are walking, 3 over the limit and you are in demerit points territory ..... want to argue with them .... falls on deaf ears.

Speed cameras, point to point cameras, mufti cops who entice you in to a "race" then book you.

Demerit points on speed cameras, red light cameras at almost every intersection.

You start with 12 points ...

http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Licensing/LicencesPenalties/DemeritPointOffences.htm

45,000 victorians loose their licences every day!

[Theatre]

24 over the limit and you are walking

Speed cameras, point to point cameras, mufti cops who entice you in to a "race" then book you.
Christ, I knew it was tough over there but had no idea the limit was so low and the cops were allowed to entice you into breaking the law. I'm joining the brain drain over to Melb at the end of the year, might have to think about giving up the bike until I can move back to QLD :bye:

Back on topic, the only cop I know over here ended up quitting due to frustration. He said the job was great but watching crooks get a slap on the wrist by some nancy judge was a royal pain in the ass after all the work he'd done. As a comparison, I've got a leatherlegs rellie around the Sunshine Coast area of QLD who loves his job. If you're going over there for pay and to give shit to Aussies I give you 3 years at most. If you love NZ you'll just get homesick, pay isnt everything!