crashe shows us how to do it!

[Mom]

No helmet, no gloves, standing on the pegs........ Yes believe it or not this from a KB mentor today.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67552&d=1186289850

Sorry folks but this sort of thing really gets my MOM blood boiling. Maybe this should be in Rant or Rave......if so apologies to the mod that has to move it, and thanks for the infraction points in advance.

I really do not think that this is appropriate at all! (On private property, closed road, among like minded silly buggers then different story, or even out and about with others that get off on that sort of thing) but on a 250 themed ride, pitched for all comers but encouraging new riders out and about? Give me strength!!

No apologies here Crashe, I have struggled all along with the "I am wearing a t-shirt and no gloves cos it is too hot! or the sure I will teach you to ride no hands ma!"

Yes I acknowledge all the good work you do with newbies, more than I for sure, but seriously, In my mind this sort of stuff belongs on other rides, not newbie ones!


By all means ride the way YOU chose to. But please do not Mentor "our KB newbies" by showing off!


Rant over.

[vamr]

meh... those starting out are not children. whothefuckcaresinmyopinion.

[iwilde]

This thread will get good real quick!

[nodrog]

yes Mom you have a good point, that dude should not be doing that sort of thing on a newbie ride, he should be ashamed of himself.

[iwilde]

yes Mom you have a good point, that dude should not be doing that sort of thing on a newbie ride, he should be ashamed of himself.

You sure thats a he? Looks like breasts to me

[Kittyhawk]

When Morcs posted up his avatar of going around a roundabout wearing no helmet, he got shit for it, same applies here.

There is NO excuse! This angers me, goes for anyone who does this kinda thing, it displays stupidity, and its gives the rest of us bikers a bad name. You'd only have yourselfs to blame if you bin and stuffed your head, you only have one look after it.


If you have the gear wear it, and wear it with pride as ya bikers!

This is not mentor material.

Im curious to know if the road was officially closed to take this pic.

[nodrog]

You sure thats a he? Looks like breasts to me

you sure? i bags not checking!

[chanceyy]

as with everything there is a time and a place for everything .. but on a mentor newbie ride .. sorry that is not the time or the place .... :nono::nono::nono::nono:

[iwilde]

you sure? i bags not checking!

Aint gonna be me either! I'd hate to turn it on what ever it is!

[imdying]

She looks like she's having a pretty good time :rockon:

[nodrog]

Aint gonna be me either! I'd hate to turn it on what ever it is!

wheres steve irwin when you need him?

CRIKEY!

[MyGSXF]

No helmet, no gloves, standing on the pegs. this from a KB mentor today. I really do not think that this is appropriate at all, on a 250 themed ride, pitched for all comers but encouraging new riders out and about? this sort of stuff belongs on other rides, not newbie ones!

Fair call Anne, I agree! :yes: Wrong time/place & group of people to be doing it around. :oi-grr:

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Looks like you will be off the christmas card list now mom if she's still alive.



I have said that for a while now i was not able to get past teaching a newby rider to ride there bike with no hands

[Kittyhawk]

Who took the pic?

[nodrog]

Who took the pic?

greenpeace?

[MotoGirl]

*stirs shit* I believe this photo is out of context as we don't know why she was doing it in the first place. I'd be very surprised if this was at 100km in the middle of a group of newbies.

[Kittyhawk]

Dont care, just not impressed with this at all. It rips my underwear up!

[imdying]

If any noobs are stupid enough to become statistics through simply viewing that action, then the gene pool will be a cleaner place.

We should be embracing this fine woman as a hero!

[Rhino]

I would suggest that people check out the Mentors List (available under the Quick Links Menu) and you will find that Crashe is not a mentor.

I'm not saying what she did was right or wrong, but please don't slag off the KB mentors.

Have you folks never done anything wrong?:innocent:

[Donor]

Dont care, just not impressed with this at all. It rips my underwear up!

WHAT underwear?

[delusionz]

Ohh come on, Give her a break, There were fuck all learners there I thought it was supposed to be a 250 ride but was hardly the case. I only saw 4 L platers and they held their own easily.

For starters, She was riding at 5kph, You just had to be there it wasn't anything like you make it out to be. Seriously...

[Mom]

Hey guys, this was not meant to be any kind of personal attack on the mentor, this is just my view of what is acceptable and what is not when you tout yourself as a KB mentor. The no hands/helmet/jacket/gloves thing sends the wrong message is all I was trying to say! Please dont get me started on the open road riding skills :shutup:

[imdying]

Do we even have a witch hunt smiley yet? Can we get one?

[Kittyhawk]

WHAT underwear?

I have some on.......*slides hand down* hahahah!


Ohh come on, Give her a break, There were fuck all learners there I thought it was supposed to be a 250 ride but was hardly the case. I only saw 4 L platers and they held their own easily.

For starters, She was riding at 5kph, You just had to be there it wasn't anything like you make it out to be. Seriously...

No excuses, if ya on the road on two wheels or one wear a lid its that simple. Weather its a bicycle mini moto or what ever.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

*stirs shit* I believe this photo is out of context as we don't know why she was doing it in the first place. I'd be very surprised if this was at 100km in the middle of a group of newbies.


Crashe has done this type of thing for sometime now i have seen her do this on the motorway doing the westpac ride, i have seen her do this when we have been doing a funneral procession. It is all about time and place which is what crashe needs to learn.

[RantyDave]

this is just my view of what is acceptable and what is not when you tout yourself as a KB mentor.
I know. Purple fleece? Whatever next.

Dave

[jtzzr]

I saw it , but took no real notice , alot of riders were going down the road to gas up ( no helmets or gloves ) but that was only 100mtrs down the road ,I don`t condone what was done but Crashe was`nt the only one cruising around like this , so I don`t think Crashe should be singled out( she was just captured on camera), all experienced- semi experienced riders are all Mentors and maybe we should all think about what we do , it could be detrimental to the the less experienced riders , I won`t defend Crashe she`s short and old enough to look after herself , and I do see your point MOM , so maybe we look at defining what Mentors should and should`nt do ( just a suggestion).

[delusionz]

No excuses, if ya on the road on two wheels or one wear a lid its that simple. Weather its a bicycle mini moto or what ever.

Well let me say that nobody was bad mouthing her there, so why here on the internet? If you were there, you would be more concerned about the guys who slid off their bikes on a slippery corner.

[Mom]

I would suggest that people check out the Mentors List (available under the Quick Links Menu) and you will find that Crashe is not a mentor.

I'm not saying what she did was right or wrong, but please don't slag off the KB mentors.

Have you folks never done anything wrong?:innocent:

Apologies to the KB mentors, I admit I did not check the list out. All I know is this member touts herself as a mentor, and often is referred to as a mentor on some Auckland threads. I unreservedly apologise to any mentor that feels tainted by my post, am happy to change the title.


Hey guys, this was not meant to be any kind of personal attack on the mentor, this is just my view of what is acceptable and what is not when you tout yourself as a KB mentor. The no hands/helmet/jacket/gloves thing sends the wrong message is all I was trying to say! Please dont get me started on the open road riding skills :shutup:
I got the fact wrong that she is listed as a KB mentor, I will state again this is not meant as a personal attack.

[Kittyhawk]

I care because I dont want to go to any more biker funerals. Rather have friends to ride with than not.

Hense the rark up about saftey. If there were more doing it....GRRRH!

Just love ya all as family *blushes*

[zeocen]

Posting in an epic thread

[breakaway]

wtf is this thread for real? Some of you are real hardcore on ATGATT aren't you.

LID OR DIE

reminds me of

Speed kills :rolleyes:

[Kendog]

alot of riders were going down the road to gas up ( no helmets or gloves ) but that was only 100mtrs down the road

Then it was ok to do this?

[Donor]

Then it was ok to do this?

Doesn't make it alright.

But does anyone care to name and shame some of the other irresponsible reprobates participating in the naughtiness of non-ATGATT compliance?

Cos that'd be the fair thing to do...

My 10 cents...

[jtzzr]

Then it was ok to do this?

I guess it came across wrong ,what I meant was that others were going down the road to gas up like this , and no it`s not the way it should be done , what I meant was that others were doing it besides Crashe , so Crashe should not be singled out , that`s all

[rwh]

Putting the topic aside for a moment, I'm horrified at the irrelevant personal attacks on one of our members. I've seen similar attacks here on strangers and/or public figures, which are distasteful enough, but someone who is going to read it?!

FFS.

Richard

[Joni]

I would suggest that people check out the Mentors List (available under the Quick Links Menu) and you will find that Crashe is not a mentor.Thank you.

All ok to discuss if you think actions are acceptable or not... but why drag KB into the drama?


I'm horrified at the irrelevant personal attacks on one of our members.Me too... surely if you dont agree with someone pm them and have a chat... why all the usual KB lynching?

[Colapop]

I don't see it as a personal attack. ANY rider who rides like that (without a helmet & unsafely) should be brought to task.

[Kendog]

Putting the topic aside for a moment, I'm horrified at the irrelevant personal attacks on one of our members. I've seen similar attacks here on strangers and/or public figures, which are distasteful enough, but someone who is going to read it?!

FFS.

Richard

Thats a good call.
Sounds like a few people were riding without using their heads. How else can they explain their blatant disregard for riding without the most important piece of protective gear.

[jester67]

I have to agree with all the bitching about the right gear. Out the back of Tarata in very good company today I put my Monster down, blind LH hill crest with loose metal. Front went, shoulder hit, face hit, pinky ground/grinded. Stillness, fuck - I'm on the road. Christ bike still idling on side - Adrenalin, bike lift, petrol drip - OK just vent line. Owww my pinky hurts, anything else? Indicator, bugger, gear change bugger, clutch - cracked but working. Hear comes Leo - missed the newbie tail end charlie. All good? Mostly. Bike in 3rd and cant change - nurse her along to the rest of the guys. Malcolm patched me, Doug got me a gear change. All good.

Motto? In one slowish crash I damaged my new Nolan, both pieces of my RJays Tempest (bless the kevlar bits) gear, my gloves and the toe of my left boot - sure I have a sore pinky but it would have been a shitload worse if I hadn't been wearing the right kit.

Any toss pot that claims ACC for an injury sustained while not wearing good gear is keeping our registration fees up.

Guess that was a rant...

[cowboyz]

Ill take the two minds approach.

Firstly, I am a kb mentor and although my mentor duties are seldom used it is good to set an example.

On the other hand, it is often that the group might sop at a cafe or something and then go for gas just up the road. I might slip the helmet on and not do it up and put gloves under the blade to get a little way up the road.

The fact that the helemt/gloves are not in the picture or on the bike kinda suggest that the picture is staged. So probably innocent.

As for an attack on "one of our own" if Mom has concerns I think they should be voiced. I am sick of the "only see the "approved activity" on kb. Moms orginal complaint about kb mentor being a bad example is valid. Turns out crashe is not a mentor but that does not negate the point.
Should come for a ride with me sometime cause if I think someone is acting "inappriopreiately" (sp?) I will tell them they are being a cunt. I dont care if they are a kiwibiker or not.

ps. I have never met crashe but her riding abilities/non-abilities have rumoured their ways all the way down here. Who knows if they are true or not. Simply that the rumours get out should be warning enough.

[Joni]

I don't see it as a personal attack. ANY rider who rides like that (without a helmet & unsafely) should be brought to task.Why should she be brought to task? Surely its her decision to put on the the helmet or not... its not up to KB to "educate" an adult woman on making decisions for herself?

Oh and before we get a mod out cry - this is my personal opinion.

[duckaddict]

Well let me say that nobody was bad mouthing her there, so why here on the internet? If you were there, you would be more concerned about the guys who slid off their bikes on a slippery corner.

Maybe those who witness it thought it was cool to do what she did? which is not IMO.

I was there and did what I can and showed my concern to those who were unfortunate on that particular corner.


Putting the topic aside for a moment, I'm horrified at the irrelevant personal attacks on one of our members. I've seen similar attacks here on strangers and/or public figures, which are distasteful enough, but someone who is going to read it?!

FFS.

Richard

I thought the poster already mentioned a few times that it's not a personal attack.

[Big Dave]

Mom - nice work at being a mum.

Crashe - I can teach you to do that with no hands on the bars too.
Stretch and I have a routine.

Of course the ultimate is saddle surfing.
Indian Bob died doing it.

[Kittyhawk]

How hard is it to put on a helmet? And on average how long does it take?

How long does it take to recover from a head injury depending on the situation?

[Colapop]

Why should she be brought to task? Surely its her decision to put on the the helmet or not... its not up to KB to "educate" an adult woman on making decisions for herself?
Oh and before we get a mod out cry - this is my personal opinion.
True enough, she is an adult that can make her own decisions, but that does preclude her from setting an example for other people. I don't care who you are if you do something stupid then you put yourself up for scrutiny. Sure it may have been only 5kph but how much does it take to crack open your head on the road and who would have had to deal with it? Not much and the people that it seems she was showing off to. I've met Crashe and have found her to be a nice enough person so rest assured this is not a personal attack. It is a comment on the actions shown in the photo. Enough justification for my comment?

[cowboyz]

Thank you.

All ok to discuss if you think actions are acceptable or not... but why drag KB into the drama?

Me too... surely if you dont agree with someone pm them and have a chat... why all the usual KB lynching?

Well since you ask.........

Lets say you see a rider doing something dodgey and think, 'that looks cool. I might give it a go.'
But with the kb secret squirrel running round one would never know the consequences of those actions. Kiwibiker should have discussions (open discussions) on all aspects of biking including the cosequences of what happens when things go wrong and others opinions on what behavours are acceptable and not acceptable.

Lets say I post up a thread saying I was doing wheelies past a school at 3pm in the afternoon. Would you expect someone to pm me and tell me they think I am riding like a dickhead or wouldnt it be better to have an open discussion where everyone gets the chance to tell me I am a dickhead?

I vote option 2.

It is about open discussion to find what is acceptable and what isn't.



I don't see it as a personal attack. ANY rider who rides like that (without a helmet & unsafely) should be brought to task.

I agree. Everyone is accountable for what they do on their bike. Just seems that when things go wrong kiwibiker is trying to sweep certain behavours under the carpet. If you cover your eyes long enough it cant be happening out there can it?

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Putting the topic aside for a moment, I'm horrified at the irrelevant personal attacks on one of our members. I've seen similar attacks here on strangers and/or public figures, which are distasteful enough, but someone who is going to read it?!

FFS.

Richard

I don't see this as a personal attack we dont give a cat ass what crashe does but when she is putting herself out there as a kb mentor ( which has been pointed out she's not) she should not be teaching that type of behaviour and yes i have heard her telling a newby how to ride with no hands someone that had only been on there bike for a few months .

The thing that people are trying to say is that there is a time and place newby rides are not the time or place.

[Toaster]

Dont care, just not impressed with this at all. It rips my underwear up!

I didn't think you wore underwear?

[Leong]

Slightly OT but while it's great to post photos from the days ride on the internet / KB, this is probably an example of a photo that should not have been posted without permission..... and probably should be reemoved

[delusionz]

All I'm saying is that far more dangerous stuff was going on during this ride for one to be hung up on something like this.

[Kittyhawk]

I didn't think you wore underwear?

I do and I like what I wear hahaha!:innocent:

Its not all just female beneath the leathers, there's armour in there too somewhere lol.

[Rhino]

This issue comes down to the fact that a KB judged "experienced rider" was seen riding without all the normal gear and some people are concerned that every newbie will follow suit.:gob:

Firstly, every newbie is at least 15 years of age and has developed a certain amount of intelligence to at least have passed their learners license.:yes:

Secondly, most humans do not follow blindly like sheep. The chance of a newbie dong that is very slim indeed. If they do and Darwin claims them, 1-0 to evolution.

Don't we on KB have more important things to worry about, like the amount of animal effluent or crap road surfaces on our highways?

[McJim]

Nice to see all the people that weren't there have an opinion.

My ignore list is gonna get HUGE :)

[cowboyz]

Why should she be brought to task? Surely its her decision to put on the the helmet or not... its not up to KB to "educate" an adult woman on making decisions for herself?

Oh and before we get a mod out cry - this is my personal opinion.

Is it really not kiwibikers job/task to educate and inform other bikers on what other bikers feel is acceptable behaviour or not?

Like any forum, kiwibiker is loads and loads of opinions. The majority here is saying that it is unacceptable to ride anywhere without a helmet. That in itself is a lesson put out there. If anyone takes notice is another thing.....

[Toaster]

Although I am sure the picture was intended as light hearted fun.... we all know when things like that go wrong, it really goes wrong.

I recall having to deal with a horrific death at the Red Beach lights of a biker who died of massive head injuries... because his unprotected head shattered on the road after a collision with a car. I will never get those images out of my head for the rest of my life.

I am very disappointed to see that picture - when I have heard that very rider preach to others about safety when riding.

[Mrs Busa Pete]

This issue comes down to the fact that a KB judged "experienced rider" was seen riding without all the normal gear and some people are concerned that every newbie will follow suit.:gob:

Firstly, every newbie is at least 15 years of age and has developed a certain amount of intelligence to at least have passed their learners license.:yes:

Secondly, most humans do not follow blindly like sheep. The chance of a newbie dong that is very slim indeed. If they do and Darwin claims them, 1-0 to evolution.

Don't we on KB have more important things to worry about, like the amount of animal effluent or crap road surfaces on our highways?

That is fare enough rhino but when she is out there teaching newbys how to ride with no hands and makes out that she is a kb mentor then you can't get upset at us for feeling that it wrong.

[Usarka]

anyone who thinks newbie riders wont be influenced by the actions of an experienced rider have never been out riding and had someone pass them and then tried to catch up. which of the bikers i know is pretty near none of us. :scooter::second:

bollox to the alllattg or whatever it is but big ups to teaching new riders properly.

[imdying]

- How hard is it to put on a helmet? And on average how long does it take?
- How hard is it to follow the speed limit?
- How hard is it to follow the '2 second rule'?
- How hard is it to keep your tyres in good nick?
- How hard is it to follow the advisory speed limits on corners?

How long does it take to recover from a head injury depending on the situation?

All very good valid points, and all situations potentially leading to head injuriesm I'm glad you pointed them all out at the same time :yes:

[Scorpygirl]

I am a learner but I do have an intelligence - this is called adult learning Mom. We come with knowledge.


I suggest you look up about adult learning on the Internet.

[Scorpygirl]

Crashe has taught me but she has never, ever taught me about riding with no hands!!!! Where do you get this shit from.

[Mom]

Your comments regarding lectures about saftey are interesting. I have received any number of messages tonight for my comments. One that sticks out is this....the message sender is aware i am posting this too.....

"One of the differences was that after this trip back (where the photo was taken) she continued past the fish and chip shop down the road and then rode back again.

Noted by many there that this was "stoopid". Noted that same rider had earlier bollocked another rider for not following the "rules" around "last rider" protocol at turn offs etc

This rider also has a bad habit of riding hands-off which scares the shit out of me ... better hope no emergency stop needed let a lone a fookin' pot hole."

There have been more.........this attempts to remove the doubt around my comments about what happened today.

[Rhino]

That is fare enough rhino but when she is out there teaching newbys how to ride with no hands and makes out that she is a kb mentor then you can't get upset at us for feeling that it wrong.
She never taught ScorpyGirl to ride no hands. If she had tried, I would have said F**k Off.

[McJim]

Funny - none of the noobies saw it - they were tucking into fish and chips at the time :rofl:

I think this is part of a hidden agenda and I'm not impressed.

[cowboyz]

Nice to see all the people that weren't there have an opinion.

My ignore list is gonna get HUGE :)

Ignore away.

But before you do, I dont view this thread as a specific action on a specific photo but rather a general overview of opinion and weather or not those opinions should be voiced or not. My vote is for yes.

Even if in this specific instance the chances of the rider falling off and breaking something were zero, it still poses at interesting debate that most bikers consider it inappropriate to not wear a helmet.

Reminds me of the parade lap at wanganui last year where all the riders go round without helmets. Some with girlfriends/children on their bikes with no gear on at all, at parade speed. Nothing wrong with that at all. Good chance for the fans to see who is riding the bikes. However there was a group of people not far from where we were sitting commenting on how stupid it was to have no gear on.

On another note. Does ATGATT stand for All The Gear All The Time? On a ride that promotes that seems a little ironic to have one of the 'experienced' riders riding with no gear.....................

[Mrs Busa Pete]

Crhase has taught me and she has never, ever taught me about no hands!!!! Where do you get this shit from.

Sorry scorpygirl but i have heard her telling a person that had only been riding for a few month how to ride with no hands and this person was taking it all in and this is not shit this is fact.

[Mom]

Crashe has taught me but she has never, ever taught me about no hands!!!! Where do you get this shit from.

Sorry, but look at her avatar and go riding out with her......I am not dreaming the no hands look!

[Metalor]

Who gives a shit about no helmet! What would make this thread better is if there were pics of a whole lot of women riders wearing nothing at all! Haha, I'm sure the guys would agree with me:2thumbsup

[MacD]

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this thread is that we are discussing the potential influence of an experienced rider demonstrating non-approved behaviour, yet it had no immediate consequences on this ride. I certainly didn't see a whole bunch of newbies suddenly firing up their bikes and riding off helmetless. Maybe it gave them the idea, I don't know? Hopefully not as most seemed pretty sensible.

On the other hand, there were at least 3 bins on this ride. I didn't see any of them and I do not know the circumstances of them, however due to KB's code of conduct we won't be discussing them unless the person involved posts. So there can be no opportunity for new riders to learn from other peoples mistakes. Maybe that should be a topic for discussion?

The people I rode with all had a good time and rode well. I think I managed to give some reasonable advice to a couple of new riders. However it's threads like this that mean I don't hold myself up as a "mentor", nor do I publicly comment on other people's riding on KB rides as I know I am far from perfect when it comes to riding despite many years experience.

Crashe is a character, something KB seems woefully short of these days, but one who I have been, and will be happy to ride with in the future.

[Scorpygirl]

Sorry, but look at her avatar and go riding out with her......I am not dreaming the no hands look!


Mom. just back off. Can you come and teach me then and give me the confidence and time I need. Crashe has never given me anything to be scared about.

[Swoop]

Posting in an epic thread
42 people viewing at this time!
:corn:

[jtzzr]

Who gives a shit about no helmet! What would make this thread better is if there were pics of a whole lot of women riders wearing nothing at all! Haha, I'm sure the guys would agree with me:2thumbsup

No I don`t , I`d rather ride with a chick with all her gears on , an oxymoron maybe but that`s how it should be , When the ride is over that`s a different kettle of fish ( I have to beg her to take her clothes off , with cash), how old are you `BOY`

[Donor]

No I don`t , I`d rather ride with a chick with all her gears on , an oxymoron maybe but that`s how it should be , When the ride is over that`s a different kettle of fish ( I have to beg her to take her clothes off , with cash), how old are you `BOY`

He did say women riders not women riding...

[Kittyhawk]

No I don`t , I`d rather ride with a chick with all her gears on , an oxymoron maybe but that`s how it should be , When the ride is over that`s a different kettle of fish ( I have to beg her to take her clothes off , with cash), how old are you `BOY`

You can ride with me anytime! And yes I have all the gears...

[jtzzr]

You can ride with me anytime! And yes I have all the gears...

And when the ride is finished ? Nah just kiding I`ll get Metlor:shit:

[xgnr]

Your comments regarding lectures about saftey are interesting. I have received any number of messages tonight for my comments. One that sticks out is this....the message sender is aware i am posting this too.....

"One of the differences was that after this trip back (where the photo was taken) she continued past the fish and chip shop down the road and then rode back again.

Noted by many there that this was "stoopid". Noted that same rider had earlier bollocked another rider for not following the "rules" around "last rider" protocol at turn offs etc

This rider also has a bad habit of riding hands-off which scares the shit out of me ... better hope no emergency stop needed let a lone a fookin' pot hole."

There have been more.........this attempts to remove the doubt around my comments about what happened today.

I guess we are all polite that we don't want to give/receive a rark up in public. We are not an official club, we don't have any official rules and I guess we are just a bunch of bikers that enjoy each others company/ideals etc.

Key point here is that when you are new you tend to look up to those you see as more experienced and try to emulate them.

Some of the riding behaviour today was a bit of a shocker (blind corner overtakes, way over the limit at some points etc) and I was just as guilty as others:whistle:

We have all done dumb shit and most of us get away with it most of the time.

One of the points that mom is making is that this behaviour is unacceptable in front of any-one including the public (are we not trying to improve our image?) and also impressionable new folk.

How would we feel if any new person did the same thing and was creamed by a car with no helmet on?

We all need to take stock and consider the possible implications of our behaviour.

[Keystone19]

Interesting thread...

There appears to be two issues at stake here: One: 'should safety gear be worn at all times while riding a bike'? Two: 'should a rider display behaviour that suggests control of a bike at all times'?

The law states that helmets are compulsory in this country while riding on public roads so one could safely say that not wearing a helmet while riding on an open road is illegal and cannot be condoned regardless of the circumstances.

While road racing in this country you will be fined and possibly told to leave if you even try and jump start your bike without a helmet on.

So, by law, the action in the photo is illegal, common sense also suggests it's stupid.

My personal opinion is that helmets should always be worn when riding a bike. The choice to wear other protective gear is completely up to the individual by law in this country and although my personal opinion suggests it should be worn at all times, this is also up to the individual.

As for the second issue - that one can be debated until the cows come home but I would suggest that there is a time and a place for stunting. Legally, again, I suspect that there is a risk that a charge of dangerous driving can be made in cases such as the picture suggests.

So, no helmet = individual at risk of head injury

stunting = potential risk of harm to others as well as self if it all goes pear shaped.

I suggest that any rider needs to think carefully about their choice of attire and behaviour in public, and it seems as in this case when they are at risk of public lynching...

[Chickadee]

I'm really fuming - leave Crashe the BEEP alone. She's a good lass, she has bloody feelings just like the rest of you. How would you like to be picked apart on a thread. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason - talk to them. Don't make judgements about people when you don't know the context.

Crashe, you rock as a person. Don't take the shit spewed up to heart.

To everyone else - it's her life. If she wants to ride from the petrol station to the chippy with no lid or protection - that's her choice. I'd wear gear, but again - THATS HER CHOICE. Leave her alone and go find something else to do.

Mom - if you've got a problem with Crashe - go talk to her - don't do it like this.

I'm not encouraging people to ride without gear, I'm upset at a mate being ripped to pieces on this thread.

[Joni]

Some of the riding behaviour today was a bit of a shocker (blind corner overtakes, way over the limit at some points etc) Why is there no outcry thread about this? Surley high speed blind corner over taking etc is highly dangerous?

This thread just seems a bit like a "witch hunt" - and no crashe Im not saying you are a witch... but you guys know what I mean... lots of dangerous stuff went on... none of which newbies should be doing.

People make their own decisions!

[rwh]

I don't see it as a personal attack. ANY rider who rides like that (without a helmet & unsafely) should be brought to task.

Ok, I assumed it would be obvious what I was talking about, but it appears not.
This is (though I couldn't get the nested quoting to work, so some of it's out of context):


you sure? i bags not checking!


Aint gonna be me either! I'd hate to turn it on what ever it is!




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wheres steve irwin when you need him?

CRIKEY!


greenpeace?

Richard

[Donor]

Why is there no outcry thread about this? Surley high speed blind corner over taking etc is highly dangerous?

This thread just seems a bit like a "witch hunt" - and no crashe Im not saying you are a witch... but you guys know what I mean... lots of dangerous stuff went on... none of which newbies should be doing.

People make their own decisions!

Agreed.

Still waiting for someone to post the names of the other alleged miscreants who were going to/from the servo sans helmets...

Seems memories have faltered after a hard days riding... I've heard that can happen dontchaknow...

No. I don't condone it before someone decides to have a go, I just like a bit of balance... after all, balance is a big part of biking.

[Scorpygirl]

I'm really fuming - leave Crashe the BEEP alone. She's a good lass, she has bloody feelings just like the rest of you. How would you like to be picked apart on a thread. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason - talk to them. Don't make judgements about people when you don't know the context.

Crashe, you rock as a person. Don't take the shit spewed up to heart.

To everyone else - it's her life. If she wants to ride from the petrol station to the chippy with no lid or protection - that's her choice. I'd wear gear, but again - THATS HER CHOICE. Leave her alone and go find something else to do.

Mom - if you've got a problem with Crashe - go talk to her - don't do it like this.

'm not encouraging people to ride without gear, I'm upset at a mate being ripped to pieces on this thread.


Me too, leave her alone Mom unless you are going to come around here on your OWN bike and teach me. She has never said do this, do that. JUST BACK OFF!!!!

[jafar]

All I'm saying is that far more dangerous stuff was going on during this ride for one to be hung up on something like this.


Well let me say that nobody was bad mouthing her there, so why here on the internet? If you were there, you would be more concerned about the guys who slid off their bikes on a slippery corner.


I guess we are all polite that we don't want to give/receive a rark up in public. We are not an official club, we don't have any official rules and I guess we are just a bunch of bikers that enjoy each others company/ideals etc.

Key point here is that when you are new you tend to look up to those you see as more experienced and try to emulate them.

Some of the riding behaviour today was a bit of a shocker (blind corner overtakes, way over the limit at some points etc) and I was just as guilty as others:whistle:

We have all done dumb shit and most of us get away with it most of the time.

One of the points that mom is making is that this behaviour is unacceptable in front of any-one including the public (are we not trying to improve our image?) and also impressionable new folk.

How would we feel if any new person did the same thing and was creamed by a car with no helmet on?

We all need to take stock and consider the possible implications of our behaviour.

Sounds like there is more serious things to consider than what crashe was or wasn't wearing.
How many bikes went down & why ?
Why was there 'stoopid shit' happening on a so called mentor ride in the first place?
This ride was supposed to be for 250's & others @ a sensible pace. What happened to change that ???

[Maha]

I certainly didn't see a whole bunch of newbies suddenly firing up their bikes and riding off helmetless. .



My take on the pic is.....i dont beleive she was showing that i was ok to ride a motorcycle in this manner. Its what crashe does (first time i have seen it done helmetless) There are so many that disagree with some of the antics performed at times by someone of crashe's status as a KB memeber and perhaps (and i hope) that she takes it on board. You know when one (or several) of your mates die in a bike accident?.... ya kinda wish you could have told them how much you care while you could! And told them to pull thier head in while they were still around, not saying that this will be the eventual outcome, but, food for thought....

[Maverick]

No helmet, no gloves, standing on the pegs........ Yes believe it or not this from a KB mentor today.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=67552&d=1186289850

Sorry folks but this sort of thing really gets my MOM blood boiling. Maybe this should be in Rant or Rave......if so apologies to the mod that has to move it, and thanks for the infraction points in advance.

I really do not think that this is appropriate at all! (On private property, closed road, among like minded silly buggers then different story, or even out and about with others that get off on that sort of thing) but on a 250 themed ride, pitched for all comers but encouraging new riders out and about? Give me strength!!

No apologies here Crashe, I have struggled all along with the "I am wearing a t-shirt and no gloves cos it is too hot! or the sure I will teach you to ride no hands ma!"

Yes I acknowledge all the good work you do with newbies, more than I for sure, but seriously, In my mind this sort of stuff belongs on other rides, not newbie ones!


By all means ride the way YOU chose to. But please do not Mentor "our KB newbies" by showing off!


Rant over.

Where you there? No


When Morcs posted up his avatar of going around a roundabout wearing no helmet, he got shit for it, same applies here.

There is NO excuse! This angers me, goes for anyone who does this kinda thing, it displays stupidity, and its gives the rest of us bikers a bad name. You'd only have yourselfs to blame if you bin and stuffed your head, you only have one look after it.


If you have the gear wear it, and wear it with pride as ya bikers!

This is not mentor material.

Im curious to know if the road was officially closed to take this pic.

Where you there? No


as with everything there is a time and a place for everything .. but on a mentor newbie ride .. sorry that is not the time or the place .... :nono::nono::nono::nono:

Where you there? No


Fair call Anne, I agree! :yes: Wrong time/place & group of people to be doing it around. :oi-grr:

Where you there? No


Was I there? No, thats why I am staying out of it. If it was an issue it should have been discussed at the time with the people involved. Not dragged up on KB for all and sundry who were not there to throw their two cents into the ring. Personally I am more concerned about the three guys that binned today!

Mav :cool:

[Joni]

Sounds like there is more serious things to consider than what crashe was or wasn't wearing.
How many bikes went down & why ?
Why was there 'stoopid shit' happening on a so called mentor ride in the first place?
This ride was supposed to be for 250's & others @ a sensible pace. What happened to change that ???Very well said! In fact you spoke my mind better than I did!

Being a KB mentor comes with responsibility... stuff like that should not happen on a mentor ride.... this is where people should be teaching newbies good/safe riding practices...

[Slingshot]

There is NO excuse! This angers me, goes for anyone who does this kinda thing, it displays stupidity, and its gives the rest of us bikers a bad name. You'd only have yourselfs to blame if you bin and stuffed your head, you only have one look after it.


If you have the gear wear it, and wear it with pride as ya bikers!

This is not mentor material.

Im curious to know if the road was officially closed to take this pic.


Dont care, just not impressed with this at all. It rips my underwear up!


Hey guys, this was not meant to be any kind of personal attack on the mentor, this is just my view of what is acceptable and what is not when you tout yourself as a KB mentor. The no hands/helmet/jacket/gloves thing sends the wrong message is all I was trying to say! Please dont get me started on the open road riding skills :shutup:


I have some on.......*slides hand down* hahahah!



No excuses, if ya on the road on two wheels or one wear a lid its that simple. Weather its a bicycle mini moto or what ever.


I don't see it as a personal attack. ANY rider who rides like that (without a helmet & unsafely) should be brought to task.

Farken 'ell....pass the cotton wool!!!

Who cares if someone decides to not wear the appropriate safety gear (who decides what is appropriate anyway?).

KB members seem to be more and more about complaining pussies that would rather whine on about someone else not meeting their strict safety requirements than getting out an enjoying a ride.

For those of you that have had a moan on this thread...If I'm ever on a ride with you please introduce yourself...and I'll take a glove off or something and then you'll be able to start a ranty thread about me.

Jesus Christ, farken 'ell!

[jtzzr]

I`m sure this is not a witch hunt, I think bikers just want to say that experienced riders should`nt ride in that fashion , but that this one individual did ,as did others in front of noobies ,so don`t look at one person look , at every ride you have been on (noobies excluded) I`ve gone on rides and my speedo says 240kms/h ( give or take 140kms /h for legal reasons)and no one says boo , so we all do something we should`nt . But I do have my gear on ( Where`s Kitty?)

[Scorpygirl]

fAR OUT.,......at the end of the day. I have a mind and am able to decide for myself. I know what gear to wear and how to behave,. I am an adult FFS.

[zeocen]

The hypocrisy in this thread is oozing delicious strawberry jelly.

I love strawberry jelly.

[Joni]

I do believe that is the whole point of this thread Joni...:yes:
So why is the fact that these people binned and that people were riding dangerously not being adressed... why just Crashe and her lack of helmet?

If you are right, the point has been missed... sounds like lots went down thats not a good example to newbies. And we have already determined Crashe is not a mentor.

[chanceyy]

Was I there .. your correct No i wasn't ..

however I have seen the aftermath of someone who has tried to copy wot others were doing .. & getting badly hurt .. make that very badly hurt .. with a very long recovery .. so when inexperienced ppl see others doing it so effortlessly it can make them think its easy to do ..

it only takes one time for things to go wrong ..


being a newbie rider myself I am aware of my limits & abilities & ride to them always .. but then I have nothing to prove either ...

[gijoe1313]

In the end, people make their own choices - we all have done things in hindsight we shouldn't, but ultimately - we are presented with the spectre where a public lynching is being conducted.

What next? Not posting any piccies anymore for fear of it being used against you in KB? PM is where it should be! :yes:

[Devil]

What a steaming pile of bollocks.

I cannot even put into words how pathetic this thread is.

Perhaps a PM to Crashe expressing your disappointment in her actions would have been a little more appropriate, instead of what appears to be a PMS fuelled moan about a snip in time lacking any context, hereby propagating the effect of her so-called "blood boiling" actions to the crowd that you were trying to protect.

How stereotypical of a mindless KB rant. Do you not think it would be more effective "nipping it in the bud" so to speak, and effectively dealing with the source of your gripe, by discussing this with Crashe?

I fear that providing my advice may just be an exercise in futility in trying to explain that perhaps engaging the brain before the mouth would make this world a better place.

[Scorpygirl]

Come on!!! Have you ever seen the crusty demons or some of the stunting vide on KBs as said I want to do that. Get real when you are a learner. Crashe has never said follow me. There have been lots of KBs said that.

[Kittyhawk]

And when the ride is finished ? Nah just kiding I`ll get Metlor:shit:


I`m sure this is not a witch hunt, I think bikers just want to say that experienced riders should`nt ride in that fashion , but that this one individual did ,as did others in front of noobies ,so don`t look at one person look , at every ride you have been on (noobies excluded) I`ve gone on rides and my speedo says 240kms/h ( give or take 140kms /h for legal reasons)and no one says boo , so we all do something we should`nt . But I do have my gear on ( Where`s Kitty?)

PM me!:innocent:you know you want to!

[Maha]

In the end, people make their own choices - we all have done things in hindsight we shouldn't, but ultimately - we are presented with the spectre where a public lynching is being conducted.

What next? Not posting any piccies anymore for fear of it being used against you in KB? PM is where it should be! :yes:


A pm to the said rider would not have acheived anything...trust me on this! It aint a 'Lynching' either...thats soooooo cowboy days... the offline support to Mom about this thread has been amazing....and nothing at all said in the tone of...'yeah get crashe'.... :done:

[flame]

Goodness me!!!!! i dont know the details as I don't even know the people involved, but way I see it is .....PERHAPs the pictured rider is having fun doing what she is at say......20kph? if she was doing that speed on a scateboard or a mountain bike would it cause concern???? I think not. If someone pictured me galloping a horse down the beach without a helmet would it make a 'thread starter' on KB? I think not!

Anyhoo.....I always try to wear my helmet, but like most of us on here.....I bet we have ALL wanted to blat down the road and feel the wind in our hair, and do a few antics. Ive done it! Ive witness far more dangerous antics than this one.

Yep, safety gear is important. But C'MON people! stop the slander. We all like a little bit of 'playing with the odds' occasionally to keep ourselves entertained. Afterall......isn't that why we ride motorcycles to start with??? Cottonwool types go back to your knitting:done:

[Spyke]

holy hell you can tell shes only going like 5kph! ive ridden my bike up my driveway at at atleast 20kph before (with no helmet)!!!!!!! i'm critically insane.

and gess whats worse when i was at school our school teacher (you could call them a mentor) took us up a farken awsome hill on camp and we rode our bicycles down at like 70kph and we were only wearing helmets!

plus if you can't ride a motorbike with no hands you shouldn't ride a motorbike because it shows that you can't trust yourself or your bike to balance. not saying that if you are a complete noob and are only just learning how to balance a bike while riding you shoud try it, because thats just wrong. anyone with like ten hours of riding experience could do it simple.

also takes longer to stop from doing a wheelie than riding with no hands.

[discotex]

Very well said! In fact you spoke my mind better than I did!

Being a KB mentor comes with responsibility... stuff like that should not happen on a mentor ride.... this is where people should be teaching newbies good/safe riding practices...

As a KB ride newb I was pretty impressed with the chill level. I got a shitload out of the ride. In the end it comes out +1 for 250 ride regardless.


Sounds like there is more serious things to consider than what crashe was or wasn't wearing.
How many bikes went down & why ?
Why was there 'stoopid shit' happening on a so called mentor ride in the first place?
This ride was supposed to be for 250's & others @ a sensible pace. What happened to change that ???

The :sunny: came out..? I thought the split in ability was pretty well managed considering the gap in skill levels there. The pace was sweet as in the slow group where the 250 newbs were.

[Kittyhawk]

Im off to go polish my helmet.

[zeocen]

Im off to go polish my helmet.

I'm going to wash my "holier-than-thou, never done anything remotely dangerous and feel that I'm above all nay-sayers" ego too.

Wait, that is the translation for helmet now, right?

[Drew]

Christ almighty!!! How would anyone be so careless?

IT'S HER FUCKIN HEAD, AND EVRYONE KNOWS SHE WASN'T TELLING OTHERS TO DO IT!!!

We all like to show off, I'm worse than most, but I'm proud of my skills, as should anyone be.

What say you of my gear free antics???!!!


Get off your high horses, I got nothing but green bling for this effort.

She is a mentor, because her skills are such that others want to ride like her, fair enough to get some film of what she can do.

[Devil]

What say you of my gear free antics???!!!

Slightly less eyebrow and she'll be all good. :dodge:

[Slingshot]

Get off your high horses, I got nothing but green bling for this effort.

She is a mentor, because her skills are such that others want to ride like her, fair enough to get some film of what she can do.

ya soft cock...next time do it with no helmet and bare feet :dodge:

[Drew]

ya soft cock...next time do it with no helmet and bare feet :dodge:

The next sequence I was wearin nothin but a smile, but Flame got all excited and forgot all about the camera.:sunny:

[Metalor]

No I don`t , I`d rather ride with a chick with all her gears on , an oxymoron maybe but that`s how it should be , When the ride is over that`s a different kettle of fish ( I have to beg her to take her clothes off , with cash), how old are you `BOY`

Haha, I'm 21 'OLD MAN'. And I'd actually prefer gears on, she wouldn't look too good if we happen to come off.



Also, everyone on this forum is tooo serious, who cares if some one was riding without a helmet. "Oh shit, better call the police..... oh, and the ambulance aswell cos they might fall off!". Do you ever cook at home with the pot handle over the edge of the stove, leave a towel on the floor that someone could trip over and fall on their poor wee bottoms?

A lot of bother for nothing in my opinion, Crashe should be laughing at you guys and all the attention she's getting. :second:

[Two Smoker]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is fucking gold.... Agree with Drew, even though he is a loose unit... Half of the shit i used to do on KB rides i shouldnt have done... Its happened, its in the past, either you will survive or nature will take its course...

Its only when it endangers others that have no control of the situation that i hate... Passing on a blind corner??? Ive seen photos of bikes slicing through cars... How would you feel to fly through their windscreen and hit someones kid in the front passenger seat???

[Draco]

I was there so I will comment.
This is a lynching.
Crashe should not have displayed riding without a helmet in front of newbies. However, several riders went to the petrol station without helmets and gloves. I was seated with some "old skool KBers" at the time and every one of us told crashe to her face that she should not nag others about no gear and then do the same. And that's where it should have ended. Crashe has ruffled feathers by being the overprotective mother hen and in return many of you have decided to make an example of her as pay back.
This is why I stopped coming to KB site about 18months ago. Because many of the latest members are a bunch of whining shit stirrers.
If I don't like someones riding I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
If I think someones riding is dangerous I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
The Crusty Demons influence millions of youth all over the world and do far more dangerous shit than Crashe.
This sort of thread is thoroughly disappointing, and as far as i'm concerned there are a few members on here who need to look up the word comrardery in the dictionary.
I was with Loosebruce & DSS3 when they died and will never condone riding without a helmet. I have also been a KBer for a few years and will never condone public lynching of a member who might ruffle a few feathers but has never endangered another rider by acting the goat.
Perhaps some of you need to get off this computer and go get a life???

[inlinefour]

My 5 cents worth and its not aimed at anyone inparticular, just motorcyclists in general. Now I've had an accident when if I had have been wearing upper body armour including a spine protector, I might have not ended up in a wheelchair as a paraplegic. I do not think riding without the gear is a good idea, but at times we all make a bad call from time to time. Also riding without a lid is likely to cost you financially if the Police see you doing it. I also believe that as a seasoned rider we should lead by example, but in saying that none of us are perfect. I look back on the things I did with the naki crew on the CBR and are thankfull I did not wipe out on that as I would not be here to post this. Thats about it really, IL4 out. :done:

[zeocen]

I was there so I will comment.
This is a lynching.
Crashe should not have displayed riding without a helmet in front of newbies. However, several riders went to the petrol station without helmets and gloves. I was seated with some "old skool KBers" at the time and every one of us told crashe to her face that she should not nag others about no gear and then do the same. And that's where it should have ended. Crashe has ruffled feathers by being the overprotective mother hen and in return many of you have decided to make an example of her as pay back.
This is why I stopped coming to KB site about 18months ago. Because many of the latest members are a bunch of whining shit stirrers.
If I don't like someones riding I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
If I think someones riding is dangerous I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
The Crusty Demons influence millions of youth all over the world and do far more dangerous shit than Crashe.
This sort of thread is thoroughly disappointing, and as far as i'm concerned there are a few members on here who need to look up the word comrardery in the dictionary.
I was with Loosebruce & DSS3 when they died and will never condone riding without a helmet. I have also been a KBer for a few years and will never condone public lynching of a member who might ruffle a few feathers but has never endangered another rider by acting the goat.
Perhaps some of your need to get off this computer and go get a life???

Alright my usual sarcasm aside..

This woman speaks truth. There was a small ride to Kaiaua last summer and I sheepishly wore jeans to it, she showed her displeasure (in a nice way of course) and rightly so.. after i made out the pxt of an accident she showed me on her phone, well, I wore padded bike pants after that.

Tell it to their face, if you weren't there, pm or keep it to yourself imo

[Zapf]

I was there too. If any of you have anything to say about Crashe you better go and say it to her face.

This is KB! We all ride and it is what we enjoy, its the ride and freedom and also taking your own life into your own hands. If you guys are going to take away her freedom and watch her with a hawk eye, then I say to you that you are doing KB a disservice. It is things like this that drives people away. And people that care and will educate the next generation and upcoming riders.

Fair enough it wasn't the best example. But can well all honestly say that we have always been a great example 100% of our lives?

If they are a new rider and they did the same thing they should get a telling off. Because they most probly don't know better. Crashe knew what she was doing and it was her call. Can she not have that moment of freedom?

[Disco Dan]

I'm really fuming - leave Crashe the BEEP alone. She's a good lass, she has bloody feelings just like the rest of you. How would you like to be picked apart on a thread. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason - talk to them. Don't make judgements about people when you don't know the context.

Crashe, you rock as a person. Don't take the shit spewed up to heart.

To everyone else - it's her life. If she wants to ride from the petrol station to the chippy with no lid or protection - that's her choice. I'd wear gear, but again - THATS HER CHOICE. Leave her alone and go find something else to do.

Mom - if you've got a problem with Crashe - go talk to her - don't do it like this.

I'm not encouraging people to ride without gear, I'm upset at a mate being ripped to pieces on this thread.

Well said :yes: ...hey if anyone knows what its like to be publicly flamed on here its me. Doesnt feel good I can tell you. I have a pretty good idea what Crashe must be feeling about this thread. Shame people take so much enjoyment out of picking on others... seems all to common on KB though doesnt it?


Sounds like there is more serious things to consider than what crashe was or wasn't wearing.
How many bikes went down & why ?
Why was there 'stoopid shit' happening on a so called mentor ride in the first place?
This ride was supposed to be for 250's & others @ a sensible pace. What happened to change that ???

Again.. well said. If I wasnt sleeping off a night shift all day I would have gone, sounded like it was going to be a nice cruisy ride and the attending list was full of people I knew.


Im glad I did not now.

Crashe... your well intentioned and I like to think we are friends, but no helmet is irresponsible.

I will send you a PM...

[Mekk]

Live and let die.

[scumdog]

This issue comes down to the fact that a KB judged "experienced rider" was seen riding without all the normal gear and some people are concerned that every newbie will follow suit.:gob:

Firstly, every newbie is at least 15 years of age and has developed a certain amount of intelligence to at least have passed their learners license.:yes:

Secondly, most humans do not follow blindly like sheep. The chance of a newbie dong that is very slim indeed. If they do and Darwin claims them, 1-0 to evolution.

WRONG.

Newbies to anything follow like sheep - monkey-see, monkey-do is the way they learn.

And those just over 15 are as dumb-as to start with - all bravado and bugger all experience or self-confidence.

[scumdog]

This thread is as funny as a very funny thing.

A shit-load of chill would go a long way but then the thread would die..

[Mrs Busa Pete]

So why is the fact that these people binned and that people were riding dangerously not being adressed... why just Crashe and her lack of helmet?

If you are right, the point has been missed... sounds like lots went down thats not a good example to newbies. And we have already determined Crashe is not a mentor.

I feel you are missing the point because it's not only about no helmet it is the standing with no hands look at me attatude. that goes with it.

[Kickaha]

So there were others who rode without helmets and going by another thread some of the bins were caused by riding to close to avoid others that went down in front of them and Crashe is the only one getting served up?

I haven't even seen the same sort of bullshit aimed at people in the past who've posted stunting pics on obviously public roads

What a bunch of self righteous pricks (oh yeah I once got a ticket for riding without a helmet obviously I'm a bad example,menace to society blah blah blah)

[jrandom]

I rode nude once.

I was drunk.

It was awesome.

[cowboyz]

Sounds like there is more serious things to consider than what crashe was or wasn't wearing.
How many bikes went down & why ?
Why was there 'stoopid shit' happening on a so called mentor ride in the first place?
This ride was supposed to be for 250's & others @ a sensible pace. What happened to change that ???

good point. Be interesting to find out what caused the 3 bins. ego perhaps?

I am sure after some investigation it would probably be found that it was some outside force that caused the 3 bins. Who knows.


So why is the fact that these people binned and that people were riding dangerously not being adressed... why just Crashe and her lack of helmet?


Because it is against "kiwibiker rules" to post negative stuff about a ride. I am surprised Mom got away with this thread for so long.
Kiwibiker gives steaming impresssions that it doesnt like to have the negative side of biking posted for all to see.


As a KB ride newb I was pretty impressed with the chill level. I got a shitload out of the ride. In the end it comes out +1 for 250 ride regardless.



The :sunny: came out..? I thought the split in ability was pretty well managed considering the gap in skill levels there. The pace was sweet as in the slow group where the 250 newbs were.

If the ride was so chilled then why 3 bins?

Our rides down here have been on for 3 years and in 3 years we have had 1 bin and 1 dangerous overtake. The guy who overtook nearly taking out another biker got lynched by the rest of the group (myself included) and has never been back on a ride. Suits me just fine. I prefer it that way.

The guy who binned was riding outside his comfort zone and fucked up. Gave him shit too. He learnt that that kind of behaviour is unacceptable.

Its not about cotton wool. Its not about riding at the speed limit. Its not even about if you are stunting or not. What it is about is not taking up my riding time while I am picking you out of a ditch.

[Mom]

No helmet, no gloves, standing on the pegs........ Yes believe it or not this from a KB mentor today.

Sorry folks but this sort of thing really gets my MOM blood boiling.
I really do not think that this is appropriate at all! (On private property, closed road, among like minded silly buggers then different story, or even out and about with others that get off on that sort of thing) but on a 250 themed ride, pitched for all comers but encouraging new riders out and about? Give me strength!!


Yes I acknowledge all the good work you do with newbies, more than I for sure, but seriously, In my mind this sort of stuff belongs on other rides, not newbie ones!

By all means ride the way YOU chose to. But please do not Mentor "our KB newbies" by showing off!


Rant over.

I think that some of you have seriously over reacted to the comments I made in my first post. The actions that I brought to the forum's attention were all about the lack of gear being worn and the example being set by a senior member on a newbie type ride. Sure I am an ATGATT rider myself, that is my personal choice, as is the choice some riders make to not wear the gear. I dont care whether you do or you dont, that is your choice.

As stated above, by all means ride the way you want to, if you want to, but pick your time, place and your ride companions appropriately when you do.

I even acknowledge all the good work that Crashe does. This was never intended to be a flame thread, though it has all the hallmarks of one now, primarily aimed at me. I dont care about that either, everyone is intitled to their opinions, just dont hold me responsible for what others post here.


plus if you can't ride a motorbike with no hands you shouldn't ride a motorbike because it shows that you can't trust yourself or your bike to balance. not saying that if you are a complete noob and are only just learning how to balance a bike while riding you shoud try it, because thats just wrong. anyone with like ten hours of riding experience could do it simple.

also takes longer to stop from doing a wheelie than riding with no hands.


This post kinda sums up why I brought this topic up in the first place. These comments from a 15y/o lad on what he thinks about riding with no hands.

Have a great day guys, stay safe and please set a good example for other riders as you go about your day to day riding experiences.

[Waylander]

This is funny. Wheelies, stopies, breaking speed limit by far more than 10kmh and running from the cops are all perfectly acceptable yet this gets so much shit thrown at it?

[Goblin]

This is just like the coro loop flame war from 2005....3 bins, incriminating photos, people who weren't even there jumping on the band wagon...
:corn::corn::corn:

:jerry::jerry:


I hope Crashe is having a wee chuckle about all this shit.

[marty]

This is funny. Wheelies, stopies, breaking speed limit by far more than 10kmh and running from the cops are all perfectly acceptable yet this gets so much shit thrown at it?


i agree. last coro loop i did i got passed by a couple of kbers- and i was exceeding said limit by more than 100km/h! no-one got flamed about that, in fact, we laughed about it @ the coroglen..........

[Mrs Busa Pete]

You know what guys if you don't want or like this sort of thing then don't put yourself out there as some sort of mentor and hold yourself with high regard telling people of for doing shit then go out and do it yourself. That is what i would class as rightous.

[BigRed2007]

..............

[twinkle]

:rofl: The criticism is so hypocritical :rofl:

[Albino]

Wow such polarisation from a thread!

For the record, I don't care how people ride or what they wear.

But, my question is: Is it acceptable for any attendee to ride in a way that could be deemed dangerous (such as undertaking, dangerous overtaking, riding without helmets, stunts etc) while on a KB mentor ride?

Serious question, I was about to refer a young fella I know.

[Joni]

Because it is against "kiwibiker rules" to post negative stuff about a ride.Good that you popped those words in "..." as there is no such rule within the site rules...

It may be a general trend, and a form of respect...

HOWEVER, if someone is going to get served about not wearing a helmet, then maybe the other incredibly dangerous stuff that took place needs to be looked at too... a KB member over taking on a blind corner on a newbie/mentor ride is a pretty bad example too.

[Ixion]

Will you buggers stop reciting the Rite of AshKente.

But now that I'm here, and since I wasn't there, I will comment.

I usually go on those 250 rides. I didn't go on this one, my spidey sense warned against it and said there would be bins. I don't like rides where people get hurt. Alas the spidey was right again.

Since I wasn't there (I was here), I won't comment on the smashes.

But I do think those rides are a GoodThing, and it would be a shame if the organisers were put off organising them, or if they became a bone of contention. So I will comment on the other aspects.

Firstly, I do not think they have ever been put forward as *mentor* rides. They are 250/newbie *friendly* rides. Ones where those constrained by the limits of a GN250, or their own uncertain skills will not be ignominiously left behind, or made to feel an encumbrance. Noone is purporting to instruct or mentor, except for the occasional "friendly tip".

And, as on all rides newbies will see much done that they, sensibly, will realise it is unwise to emulate.

Three matters seem to have occasioned much discussion. ATGATT, or the lack of it, riding without hands , and riding on the pegs.

The last I will dismiss out of hand. There is nothing whatsoever wrong with riding standing . All learners should learn how to do it, and in many situations you will have better control of a bike standing than sitting.

The handsfree issue seems irrelevant here, the picture shows her hands firmly on the grips. "Hands free" is by way of being Ms Crashe's "signature stunt".Some riders ride on one wheel. Some hang off the side like circus performers. Ms Crashe rides handless. None of these are particularly wise. I do not do any of them. But I am old, and fat, and slow, and the Ultimate Nana. Those younger and more exuberant will express themselves in such ways. As no such activity occured on this ride, no newbies will have been tempted to do anything foolish. Very wise.

As to ATGATT, it is doubtless a very good thing. But like all good things it can be taken to extremes. Some may not realise, that the chippie at Kaiaua is virtually next door to the petrol station. The distance is less than the length of my driveway.

And I have many times ridden down my driveway, when checking adjustments etc, without a helmet. Or gloves. Or jacket. Or boots (Indeed, once, without pants. But that was a different driveway, and another story)

I am certain Ms Crashe is not advocating riding helmetless (Though many of us did back in the day, and survived). But we need to maintain some sense of proportion. Otherwise , where would it end? Full ATGATT when wheeling the bike around the workshop? I've stumbled and fallen doing that, with the bike on top of me. And I dare say if there had been a honking great spike on the floor in the wrong place, I could have hit my head on it and been horribly injured. There wasn't , I didn't, I sha'n't wear gear in the workshop, or down the drive.

I am sure that any newbies present have enough common sense to recognise the difference between a 20 metre 10kph trip next door, and 100kph+ on the open road. If they don't , they have a bigger problem than anything they will observe on a ride.

T'is illegal, to be sure, and if Ms Crashe or the others had been spotted by the ubiquitous Officer Bumblebee, they would have suffered in the pocketbook. But, then, speeding is illegal, too. And riding outside the conditions of ones licence. Both crimes that are not uncommon on those rides (Let's face it, noone buys a motorbike with the intention of sticking to the speedlimit.)

Ms Crashe, as noted, is not a Mentor .Nor am I. I realised long ago that I know next to nothing about riding motorcycles. The only thing I am any good at is not falling off. And riding very slowly. And the rides are not Mentor rides. If they were , I would not go on them, a novice will learn nothing from me except how to ride laughably slowly, and various bad habits. So the whole mentor thing is quite irrelevant.

Certainly experienced riders should not "lead the novices astray". But if the rides were totally po-faced and holy then they would be boring and the novices would not go on them. They are fine as they are, give the organisers a round of thanks, and leave them alone. Some people will do the odd naughty thing. That is part of motorcycling. Always has been, God grant always will be. We break the rules. Good for us.

I am going back to my cave now, this posting on the New KB is a risky business, like passing Officer Bumblebee at 150. One may get away with it, one may not. Hopefully as it is the beginning of the month, none of the mods will be scratching to make up their infraction quotas.

So leave the poor mouse alone, he's almost exsanguinated already, 3cc is a lot for a mouse y'know.

[Joni]

Good to see you here Ixion... Kickaha and I thought that this thread needs Ixion and Motu! :yes:

[007XX]

Oh boy! I can't wait for certain individuals to get a hold of this thread...Blood anyone?

Anyhoo...as a fairly recent rider wih admitedly limited skill, I don't really give a hoot if a "mentor" was to decide to goof around with no helmet and / or protecion gear...I wouldn't think of him/her as a great role model though for the younger , more impressionable newbies...

I'm a bit too old to be looking up and copying someone beyond the practices that I deem useful for me to be a better rider...

Wouldn't it be the same though about having newbies trying to keep up on KB rides??? And the more experienced ones whizzing past full blast, while the less experienced ones are trying to keep up...

There has to be a time when the newbies have to use their better judgement, and become accountable for their own decisions (aka: we all know safety gear is necessary...).

[Blackbird]

A very sensible post Ixion and much wisdom in it (apart from your jab at the Mods which was unecessary).

Cheers

Geoff

[ManDownUnder]

2 things here

1) Let's hear both sides of the story. Trial by media ain't a just or proper mode of justice
2) Keep in mind this is a commentary on what not to do - not a personal attack on Crashe.

That said, I personally done condone what I see in that photo, but wait for Crashe to at least explain what she was doing. God knows I'm not perfect and some of my goings on would rightly bring on the scorn of many too...

At the risk of bringing heaping scorn on my self... let he without sin cast the first stone...

Lessons to be learned - I think so. Those after an opportunity to rip Crashe to bits can fuck off.

[Morcs]

What a steaming pile of bollocks.

I cannot even put into words how pathetic this thread is.

Perhaps a PM to Crashe expressing your disappointment in her actions would have been a little more appropriate, instead of what appears to be a PMS fuelled moan about a snip in time lacking any context, hereby propagating the effect of her so-called "blood boiling" actions to the crowd that you were trying to protect.


I have to agree.

When I had a helmetless picture up, I only got shit from it through the rep system. Unfortunately I was outraged and quoted it publicly..

Keep it private guys or at least dont post pics on a public forum - as its evidence to the 5 O right there.

[Hailwood]

a 10 page thread and it's not about someone not waving...this must be a KB record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

[LilSel]

Fun times!!! :zzzz::whocares:

(I mean wow... 20 people viewing??.. 10 pages?... a bit OTT?)

[imdying]

I often wonder if the police have a person allocated to reading KB and the 'byo racer' forums, just to keep a finger on the pulse as it were... hope they do, at least they'll know that plenty 'care' :yes: :grouphug:

[avgas]

Harden the fuck up ya bunch of nana's.
Shit some people just cant move on

[sidecar bob]

Harden the fuck up ya bunch of nana's.
Shit some people just cant move on

Agreed, Ride alone or risk being judged.
I Think id rather ride alone, & i dont have any mates anyway.

[MSTRS]

There's a shitload of double-standards in many of the replies to this thread.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"....
If there is choosing of sides to be done, I agree with Mom tho...one should not put oneself forward as some sort of mentor then proceed to display dodgy stuff. Unless the mentoring is to teach said dodgy stuff.

[Joni]

i dont have any mates anyway.Ahem... I feel strangely wounded by that statement :bleh:

[Big Dave]

Unless the mentoring is to teach said dodgy stuff.

I have diary openings later in the week.

[sidecar bob]

Ahem... I feel strangely wounded by that statement :bleh:

Cool!!!! i have one mate, Luv u too Jo.:niceone:

[scumdog]

Keep it private guys or at least dont post pics on a public forum - as its evidence to the 5 O right there.

Yep, just finished typing up the Summary of Facts, just about to swear an Imformation and get some Witness Summons's done too and Crashe should get the Summons for Dangerous Driving in a day or two....:whistle:

[scumdog]

I often wonder if the police have a person allocated to reading KB and the 'byo racer' forums, just to keep a finger on the pulse as it were... hope they do, at least they'll know that plenty 'care' :yes: :grouphug:

Yep, the Intell section at Harlech House has a team allocated to screening KB for any chargable offences...
Now these 'byo racer' forums, are they about people racing to bring their own booze or what? and is it illegal? and where do they take said booze to? :wait:
We just want to know - just out of curiosity you understand:innocent:

[Grahameeboy]

There's a shitload of double-standards in many of the replies to this thread.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"....
If there is choosing of sides to be done, I agree with Mom tho...one should not put oneself forward as some sort of mentor then proceed to display dodgy stuff. Unless the mentoring is to teach said dodgy stuff.

I am with Mom too........

Definition:

1. experienced adviser and supporter: somebody, usually older and more experienced, who advises and guides a younger, less experienced person

If you have a newbie ride you ride by example.

If you want to teach trick stuff then you have an event for this.

You don't mix the 2

[ceebie13]

We all like to show off, I'm worse than most, but I'm proud of my skills, as should anyone be. What say you of my gear free antics???!!!

Skills? Is that what they are, Drew? Take the two esses off the word and think about the consequences of your "skills" to both yourself and others. Especially as you appear to enjoy "performing" on a public road too. :nono:

[Grahameeboy]

There's a shitload of double-standards in many of the replies to this thread.
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"....
If there is choosing of sides to be done, I agree with Mom tho...one should not put oneself forward as some sort of mentor then proceed to display dodgy stuff. Unless the mentoring is to teach said dodgy stuff.

I am with Mom too........

Definition:

1. experienced adviser and supporter: somebody, usually older and more experienced, who advises and guides a younger, less experienced person

If you have a newbie ride you ride by example.

If you want to teach trick stuff then you have an event for this.

You don't mix the 2

[jonbuoy]

Some hard core stunting going on there - looks like she's going all of about 10KM/H. Lighten up FFS.

[sidecar bob]

Some hard core stunting going on there - looks like she's going all of about 10KM/H. Lighten up FFS.

Hardcore allright!! She should be selling tickets to see such.

[jim.cox]

Usually I enjoy the company of other motorcyclists as I find them fairly "laissez faire" and prepared to tolerate others veiwpoints

But the wibbling and wailing of the Safety Nazis on this topic is proving me wrong (again)

Folks, its time to go ride...

[Big Dave]

Hardcore allright!! She should be selling tickets to see such.

We're about to shoot a promo for the stunt show at Big Boys Toys - I'll PM Crashe.

Hey Scummy - thought about claiming overtime for the community service of monitoring KB?

[Waylander]

This is just like the coro loop flame war from 2005....3 bins, incriminating photos, people who weren't even there jumping on the band wagon...
:corn::corn::corn:

:jerry::jerry:

Ah good times aye Gob? lol

[Grahameeboy]

Some hard core stunting going on there - looks like she's going all of about 10KM/H. Lighten up FFS.

Oh, just looked at the picture, I just read Mom's post.

Sure she is not going backwards??

Still stick to what I said in principle.

[Metalor]

I'll say it again... this thread would be much better ifit had naked chicks!

[Goblin]

Ah good times aye Gob? lol
:laugh: Hell yeah! And what did we learn?

[flame]

Skills? Is that what they are, Drew? Take the two esses off the word and think about the consequences of your "skills" to both yourself and others. Especially as you appear to enjoy "performing" on a public road too. :nono:


Well....another liddle miss perfect speaks out! there's a lot of 'perfect' people on this thread I see. Im sure that gives you the creditation to tell others what they should or shouldn't do :whocares:

I really feel that some people on here lack the spirit of fun,and need to get over themselves!

Apply your own laws to yourself, geeze.....let others be:done:

[McJim]

Yep, just finished typing up the Summary of Facts, just about to swear an Imformation and get some Witness Summons's done too and Crashe should get the Summons for Dangerous Driving in a day or two....:whistle:

for what it's worth.

I was there, I saw it all. The engine was off, the bike was stationary, she jumped on the bike kicked the stand up and quickly stood on the pegs for a laff while we took the photo.

So there :nya:

And if you weren't there and can't prove otherwise STFU!

[scumdog]

for what it's worth.

I was there, I saw it all. The engine was off, the bike was stationary, she jumped on the bike kicked the stand up and quickly stood on the pegs for a laff while we took the photo.

So there :nya:

Aha!
Another charge - Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice!

So there back!:nya::p

[Big Dave]

Aha!
Attempting to Pervert the Course of Justice!


What do you mean attempting - you's already a preevert.

[Disco Dan]

Oh pathetic, this thread is still going?

One jumps you all jump... sounds like lemmings to me. Leave the poor woman alone.

Sick to death of 'flame' threads. If its not skidmark, its me or some other person unfortunate enough to be blinded by the headlights.

I hope you all realise that with every page this continues she is hurting... and it does truly hurt. I know that first hand.

I hope your all proud of yourselves.

[babyblade250rr]

Oh pathetic, this thread is still going?

One jumps you all jump... sounds like lemmings to me. Leave the poor woman alone.

Sick to death of 'flame' threads. If its not skidmark, its me or some other person unfortunate enough to be blinded by the headlights.

I hope you all realise that with every page this continues she is hurting... and it does truly hurt. I know that first hand.

agreed, let it go guys she was enjoying herself even mentors can enjoy themselves once in a while

[ManDownUnder]

Oh pathetic, this thread is still going?

One jumps you all jump... sounds like lemmings to me. Leave the poor woman alone.

Sick to death of 'flame' threads. If its not skidmark, its me or some other person unfortunate enough to be blinded by the headlights.

I hope you all realise that with every page this continues she is hurting... and it does truly hurt. I know that first hand.

I hope your all proud of yourselves.

Bling that man. 1 vote from me to shut it down.

[scumdog]

Sick to death of 'flame' threads. If its not skidmark, its me or some other person unfortunate enough to be blinded by the headlights.

Yeah but you and the others like you listed are just a bunch of young punks that like to push the boundaries - and have to wear the aftermath!!
(Even if you don't like it).

And it's only KB dude, lighten up - well that's what I get told.

[McJim]

Bling that man. 1 vote from me to shut it down.
Add my vote for what it's worth.

[Joni]

I have seen many a time people on here dont think thats there is a person attached to their lynching... or maybe they dont care that it hurts? dunno...

I dont think it should be biffed tho (PD), there is a lesson to be learned... and by that I dont mean wear a helmet... I was hoping for some respect for fellow KB'ers to take these issues up in person either face to face or via pm and not in "public".

[babyblade250rr]

crashe is a great lady i've had the plesure of chatting with her at gijoe's spanner night, She has provided me with some great advice on riding and i would be happy to put my vote in for shutting this thread down

[Disco Dan]

I have seen many a time people on here dont think thats there is a person attached to their lynching... or maybe they dont care that it hurts? dunno...

I dont think it should be biffed tho (PD), there is a lesson to be learned... and by that I dont mean wear a helmet... I was hoping for some respect for fellow KB'ers to take these issues up in person either face to face or via pm and not in "public".

Seems not many know the meaning of that word.

[ManDownUnder]

I have seen many a time people on here dont think thats there is a person attached to their lynching... or maybe they dont care that it hurts?

dunno...

Agreed... and therein lies a weakness of the web. Meeting people, seeing the flesh and blood attached to their bones changes a lot of things...

It's be nice if people could stay on topic.. what was done by Crashe (which - incidentally we are yet to hear her side of the story). Attacking her personality, physique or any of the other bullshit posts in here simply show a lack of maturity and an attempt to better themselves by belittling another.

A common tactic used by those without any real grounds for complaint.

[Karma]

Perhaps we could add a poll on this thread, two options;

1. I feel wounded that Crashe didn't wear a helmet when getting gas on a noobie ride
2. I believe in personal freedom and couldn't give a shit what she did.

Come on mods, it'd make for interesting viewing, make it public as well :D

I vote option 2!

[Disco Dan]

What about option 3. Close this thread and let the poor woman get on with her life.

[Drew]

Skills? Is that what they are, Drew? Take the two esses off the word and think about the consequences of your "skills" to both yourself and others. Especially as you appear to enjoy "performing" on a public road too. :nono:

I did invite this cryticism, so I'll try to explain what I was saying calmly.

My point was, the two faced crap on here needs to stop, did a single one of you bitch about the pic when I first posted it? NO.

Did anyone red rep me for being an idiot, (yes, I can see it was dangerous, but you cant see how slow I was going, or that the street was empty, and you may or may not know the bike is a very long way off the point of no return)? NO.

If there was something done wrong, it was at the very first notion of organising the ride. If there were strick guide lines people were meant to follow, they should have been given to all riding.

Why dont the lot of you start a political party for gods sake, cos that's how you sound. "Do as we say, not as we do".

[Metalor]

for what it's worth.

I was there, I saw it all. The engine was off, the bike was stationary, she jumped on the bike kicked the stand up and quickly stood on the pegs for a laff while we took the photo.

So there :nya:

And if you weren't there and can't prove otherwise STFU!

Haha, the winning post!


I haven't been a Kiwibiker member for very long and don't know anyone one it but it seems to me (according to the reactions and the feelings in this thread) that half of kiwibiker are a bunch of poofs. Harden up whingers. ------> :ar15: :cry:

[Matt_TG]

I reckon it's been photochopped. Who trusts cameras these days anyway.

[terbang]

Oh groan....

[imdying]

Haha, the winning post!With all of the quality posts in this thread considered, many of which were posted by 'winners', I think you'd have to refer to Jim's post as the 'most winningest' post, to avoid confusion with posts by 'winners'. Comprenday?

/edit:

McJim, FTW

[BarBender]

I was there so I will comment.
This is a lynching.
Crashe should not have displayed riding without a helmet in front of newbies. However, several riders went to the petrol station without helmets and gloves. I was seated with some "old skool KBers" at the time and every one of us told crashe to her face that she should not nag others about no gear and then do the same. And that's where it should have ended. Crashe has ruffled feathers by being the overprotective mother hen and in return many of you have decided to make an example of her as pay back.
This is why I stopped coming to KB site about 18months ago. Because many of the latest members are a bunch of whining shit stirrers.
If I don't like someones riding I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
If I think someones riding is dangerous I TELL THEM TO THEIR FACE
The Crusty Demons influence millions of youth all over the world and do far more dangerous shit than Crashe.
This sort of thread is thoroughly disappointing, and as far as i'm concerned there are a few members on here who need to look up the word comrardery in the dictionary.
I was with Loosebruce & DSS3 when they died and will never condone riding without a helmet. I have also been a KBer for a few years and will never condone public lynching of a member who might ruffle a few feathers but has never endangered another rider by acting the goat.
Perhaps some of you need to get off this computer and go get a life???

Plus One...

[Metalor]

With all of the quality posts in this thread considered, many of which were posted by 'winners', I think you'd have to refer to Jim's post as the 'most winningest' post, to avoid confusion with posts by 'winners'. Comprenday?

/edit:

McJim, FTW

Don't really know what you're trying to say. Just to clarify, I was saying Jim's post was good, pretty much said no one was there so they should shut. I meant that the people whinging about the "dangerous riding" and "irresponsible" behaviour are being pretty pathetic.

[terbang]

This is just like the coro loop flame war from 2005....3 bins, incriminating photos, people who weren't even there jumping on the band wagon...
:corn::corn::corn:

:jerry::jerry:


I hope Crashe is having a wee chuckle about all this shit.

Hah yeah, I remember that one. lost my virginity on that ride (KB one I mean :innocent:). Twas a day to remember..!

[Big Dave]

Don't really know what you're trying to say.

Let it be - You nailed it first go.

[imdying]

Don't really know what you're trying to say.

Let it be - You nailed it first go.Wot he said :stupid:

[breakaway]

But, my question is: Is it acceptable for any attendee to ride in a way that could be deemed dangerous (such as undertaking, dangerous overtaking, riding without helmets, stunts etc) while on a KB mentor ride?

Settle down. Lots of other members pulled wheelies etc as they passed the learner group.

As has already been stated, if someone follows in Crashe's footsteps, then Darwin will claim them.

[Waylander]

:laugh: Hell yeah! And what did we learn?
I don't remember, did we learn anything?

People still cross the centre line on that road and others all the time, even considering more recent events.

[Goblin]

I don't remember, did we learn anything?

People still cross the centre line on that road and others all the time, even considering more recent events.The funny thing is, since starting racing, i hardly ever cut corners like i used to...and it wasnt the online flaming that taught me anything. :shit:

[Waylander]

The funny thing is, since starting racing, i hardly ever cut corners like i used to...and it wasnt the online flaming that taught me anything. :shit:
Two points to that one. First, all those that say because they race they can safely cut corners proven wrong. And that you're smart enough to realize a shit fit is just a shit fit.




I want my bike back.

[Hailwood]

Can we please end this damn thread???/ Its like the song that doesnt end it just goes on and on my friend..............please

[Goblin]

Two points to that one. First, all those that say because they race they can safely cut corners proven wrong. And that you're smart enough to realize a shit fit is just a shit fit.




I want my bike back.Having withdrawls are we?:Pokey:

Read my post again. I never said i can cut corners safely because i race.


If the shit fits.....

[Joni]

Ok guys... this thread is difficult enough as it is...
Please keep it on track.
:Oi:

[riffer]

On track?

The whole thing needs to go in pointless drivel.

[Maverick]

On track?

The whole thing needs to go in pointless drivel.

Seconded, its getting pathetic.

[avgas]

we need some tank surfing pics i think....any takers.....come on newbies!!!

[skidMark]

do i smell sniff sniff....A FUCKING HYPOCRIT or hippo critter as the case may be

[inlinefour]

What about option 3. Close this thread and let the poor woman get on with her life.

Met Crashe once and she is a really nice lady. I don't think we get anywhere by having a go at her percay, how about this thread just gets closed because its not really serving a good purpose. I have ridden in the past many a time on private land without the appropriate gear. But in saying that, if I was going to feed it the fat and do something dangerous, I'd put the gear on first. We are bikers and I thought in general bikers are a hardened bunch. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe its just a case of political correctness going too far on KBer? :mellow: I agree that this thread needs to go into PD also...

[avgas]

And that boys and girls is why you should not sleep with Pirates, Micheal Jackson or engine oil.

[White trash]

Ha ha ha, love it. I'm a long time advocate of leaving people alone to do their own thing lest it impacts on you directly.

What's gonna give bikers a worse name. The lady riding 50 meters up the road, with no lid on at 15kph or the guy doing the "spreader" wheelie at the Lower Hutt carpark in a T-Shirt?

Fucks sake people, who gives a shit?

Ps. Good on ya Crashe, looks like you're havin fun :)

[Big Dave]

Ps. Good on ya Crashe, looks like you're havin fun :)

Did you get any pics being silly at manfield?

[madmal64]

Well this thread has been the best read for ages! Its taken me 2 cups of coffee to get through it.

I was going to say.... but W/T bet me to it.

[zeocen]

I don't understand all the "let the poor girl get on with her life", "leave her alone" and so on.

It's freakin Crashe, if she's read this thread, one can only assume she's laughing her tits off at the majority of the posts and, also, seems to be well above the norm by not posting to such a ridiculous thread.

I've met her, watched her pick up her bike while mcjim lubed her chain and I spun the wheel all while she was grinning. If she can carry the weight of a virago she can carry the weight of some pissant insulting her on a website.

brb, going to the dairy on my bike, naked, with my helmet on backwards.

[slinky]

This thread cracks me up.

It is stated as not being a "personal attack" yet the no hands thing is mentioned.
Im in the who gives a shit crowd.

Im also baffled - Is letting go of the handle bars OR standing up on your footpegs seriously considered stunting :s
those 2 acts together i realise would be.

[Katman]

Well it's been a few days since I had the shit abused out of me so here goes.:msn-wink:

I've heard horror stories about how many Kiwibiker rides just degenerate into all out races. I've heard that on occasions a support vehicle is arranged to follow around behind picking up the pieces. Going out on a ride with the pre-conceived expectation of serious accident and injury is just fucked up:weird:.

It appears that even noobies rides are falling victim to this mentality.

Fire away.:msn-wink:

[imdying]

I've heard horror stories about how many Kiwibiker rides just degenerate into all out races. I've heard that on occasions a support vehicle is arranged to follow around behind picking up the pieces. Going out on a ride with the pre-conceived expectation of serious accident and injury is just fucked up:weird:.

It appears that even noobies rides are falling victim to this mentality.

Fire away.:msn-wink:Screw that, your best post yet! Have some bling :yes: Going out with the expectation that people will crash is just crazy... hell I wouldn't ride with a group like that. Take some first aid supplies to beat Murphy down by all means, but taking them cause you know you'll need them is crazy.

[The Pastor]

I ride with no helmet and im fine.


HTFU.

To ride a bike on the road you have to be over 15.

at 15 you are able to decide if you want to wear a helmet or not.

this thread is lame and i don't like the personal attacks on somone for a choice that they choosed to choose.

all of you grow up.

What a lame bunch of nerdy law loving dicks you all are.

[Waylander]

Joni, how were mine and Goblins posts not on topic?

Still talking about dangerous riding behavior in front of learner riders.

[White trash]

Did you get any pics being silly at manfield?
Not racing untill two weeks mate. Exhaust arrives Monday next week, then dyno time on Wednesday. Should have the fairings painted by the end of the week and the signwriters can do their thing so she'll be all mint by Minefield.

[ceebie13]

Conspicuous only by her absence....What does Crashe have to say to all this then I wonder?

[ceebie13]

My point was, the two faced crap on here needs to stop,

Yes Sir, right away Sir! hehe


...did a single one of you bitch about the pic when I first posted it? NO.

Didn't spot it mate, sorry!


Why dont the lot of you start a political party for gods sake, cos that's how you sound. "Do as we say, not as we do".

Yay!! Vote ceebie13 for Prime Minister.:rockon:

[fireliv]

yes Mom you have a good point, that dude should not be doing that sort of thing on a newbie ride, he should be ashamed of himself.


You sure thats a he? Looks like breasts to me


you sure? i bags not checking!


Aint gonna be me either! I'd hate to turn it on what ever it is!


wheres steve irwin when you need him?

CRIKEY!


greenpeace?


I am absoulutly appalled by these comments. This upsets me way more than her not wearing a helmet....thats her choice and problem. You can comment on the riding crap all you like but personal attacks like this is just unacceptable and makes me ashamed to be a member here. GROW UP

[Scorpygirl]

I am absoulutly appalled by these comments. This upsets me way more than her not wearing a helmet....thats her choice and problem. You can comment on the riding crap all you like but personal attacks like this is just unacceptable and makes me ashamed to be a member here. GROW UP

+1 totally agree. Thank you for your respect.

[Usarka]

this thread had some merit but the personal attacks are pooh +1 me too.

[Donor]

For the love of all things pointy, this horse is dead people, can we stop bloody flogging it now?

Take it to PM, all the (ir)relevant for/against arguments being repeated are pretty bloody boring now.

Thankee.

[Usarka]

why are you reading a boring thread??? bahahahaha

[Donor]

why are you reading a boring thread??? bahahahaha

It was worth reading for the first dozen or so posts... then people let emotion cloud their thinking and away it went...

Now it's to remind myself why I don't post in shitfight threads when people are in vent mode.

[El Dopa]

I'm really fuming - leave Crashe the BEEP alone. She's a good lass, she has bloody feelings just like the rest of you. How would you like to be picked apart on a thread. If you have a problem with someone for whatever reason - talk to them. Don't make judgements about people when you don't know the context.

Crashe, you rock as a person. Don't take the shit spewed up to heart.

To everyone else - it's her life. If she wants to ride from the petrol station to the chippy with no lid or protection - that's her choice. I'd wear gear, but again - THATS HER CHOICE. Leave her alone and go find something else to do.

Mom - if you've got a problem with Crashe - go talk to her - don't do it like this.

I'm not encouraging people to ride without gear, I'm upset at a mate being ripped to pieces on this thread. For no fucking reason at all.
+1

[El Dopa]

Nice to see all the people that weren't there have an opinion.

My ignore list is gonna get HUGE :)

Too fucking right, Jamie.

It makes me laugh. If some of the people on here had half a clue, they'd be dangerous. As it is, they're just a bit sad and pathetic.

For the people who are bleating on about always wearing the gear all the time, riddle me this.

Do you put your helmet on when you're moving the bike up and down the drive, or around the garage? Why not? You might fall off and bang your head.

Do you hang around ohhh, lets say, Cycletreads, or Mt Eden, and get your knickers in a twist when those irresponsible lads in the workshop move bikes around (gasp) with no helmet! In front of people who may or may not be newbies!

Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!

I and many others (probably 1/2 doz) rode 50 meters down the road to the servo to gas up. I doubt I got over 10kmh for the entire 30 seconds I was riding. There were certainly no cars on that streach of road at the time.

And I didn't wear a helmet. Get the fucking stake ready, cos there's gunna be a Dopa burnin', y'all.

Taking a risk? Probably. Compare that to thrashing around some of the slippery twisties outside Clevedon, which every single person on that ride did about an hour later.

Bad example? Fuck right off. Who nominated me as a community leader when I wasn't looking? All the noobs there were old enough to think for themselves.

I wear 'all the gear, all the time', when I'm actually going to do some riding. I don't actually feel the need to wear my helmet and gloves all the time in case I trip on a carelessly laid paving stone when I'm walking towards my bike, to prevent me getting a nasty gravel rash. Perhaps I should wear it in bed, in case the ceiling collapses.

Next time, I'll really give you something to gossip about at the vicars tea party, and do it naked, wearing a blindfold while raping a granny.

What a fucking load of old shit. Cunts, the lot a ya.

[iwilde]

Mmmm, who is morally outraged by these pics? I see both views in this thread and feel it was up to the more expert riders on thwe day day to have a crack at her, which they did. Not much point going on about it now. BTW, is there a bike in the first pic?

[avgas]

PD posts are not allowed in this thread.
There are like pirates in a bouncy castle

[Jeaves]

My fellow 250 noobs , I hope you are all reading and learning from this thread......this is the proper way to abuse the shit out of someone.

[sunhuntin]

ok... havent read all the posts [read the first 4 or 5 pages, and then skipped the rest.]

first: to whoever posted the pic of "indian bob" i think youll find its "indian larry" and he was an awesome bloke, from what ive read [and fuckin good looking too!] :love:

second: i still wear an l plate, so am considered a learner in the eyes of the law. crashe has shown and explained to me how to ride no hands, but ive only managed to do it once [more to being gutless!] i used to ride no hands on the gn when going downhill.
the photo in first post has given me hope of being able to stand on the pegs and give me arse a rest when i go down south.

sure, crashe stuffs up sometimes. but hey, dont we all? i mean, fuck, im human. what about you? i sometimes ride my bike with no lid at the servo when im moving it. ive also read ON HERE about people riding their bikes up and down their street after tinkering to make sure the engines running right. my mechanic has done it when he fixed my speedo.

i would expect that the majority of actual witnesses to the event would have a single grain of common sense on whether to copy crashe or not. i wouldnt do something just cos someone else did it [otherwise id be drunk, stoned, pregnant and have 5 kids already] i do it to challenge what my body can do, in a possibly tricky situation. i do the same with weight lifting, when i am motivated enough. think i was doing 200kg on the leg press before that car hit me, and between 80-100kg on the squat machine.

to those who were actually there and saw crashes antics: did any one of you ACTUALLY mimic what was done? how many arsed off? none? so whats the big fucking deal??

EDIT: just had a re-read, and i have to agree, the personal attacks were totally uncalled for! sure, crashe is overweight [so am i] but id like to see some of you guys do any major exercise when you have the knees of an 80 year old. [speaking of my own, but im betting crashes arent much better]

lets just close this off, and start piling 15 pages of shit on the people the binned.

[McJim]

to those who were actually there and saw crashes antics: did any one of you ACTUALLY mimic what was done? how many arsed off? none? so whats the big fucking deal??

Well, only three of us actually witnessed the photo...but we were all between the ages of 33 and 37 and therefore very impressionable :rofl: none of us had the guts to copy though. Perhaps once we've given birth to kids ourselves we'll have the bravery to emulate crashe...mind you all three of us are blokes so guess we'll just have to settle for the odd mono from time to time eh?:Punk:

[NUTBAR]

This is funny. Wheelies, stopies, breaking speed limit by far more than 10kmh and running from the cops are all perfectly acceptable yet this gets so much shit thrown at it?

oh my god....is that realy you that said that.:gob:

[irishlad]

15 fucking pages.
I was on the ride. I saw it. So fucking what!
Get a life you sad bastards!
Crashe this confirms what we said about KB before the ride.

[irishlad]

Sorry about this crap Crashe. You dont deserve it.

[Mumbles]

I want to post.. as everyone else has.....
Whats wrong? Pic looks fine... maybe a faster shutter speed, so there is more colour, loved the movement in the jacket...

I love the fact that people here love to help others out, I HATE those who don't but still find time to bitch about it.

I gave-up reading this thread after the first 3 pages, I shouldn't be posting this as it will more than likely keep it in the home page.

Nice to see bikers standing up for their friends :rockon:.

So if we're taking sides I take the side of the person who helps others over the rest of you.

[Katman]

New riders should concentrate on learning the skills of gaining total control of their bike, recognising hazards around them and "reading the road". There is no place for teaching new riders The Art of the Racing Line - (or how to ride with no hands for that matter).

[Waylander]

oh my god....is that realy you that said that.:gob:
What? :innocent:

[ajturbo]

luke was at the bucket racing track here in welly the other day... he had on his helmet, back protecter, boots leather pants...
i spat the dummy at him....

he had NO jacket OR gloves...

now on the face of it you would think that he was out on the track... you would be wrong, he was in the pits... on gravel/dirt on a borrowed bike... but he had to get off it untill he had ALL his gear on. end of story.... if anyone else had done this... who cares?
not me.. it is their choice, this is NOT a nanny state YET

[ceebie13]

HTFU.....What a lame bunch of nerdy law loving dicks you all are.

Sheer brilliance, RM. Eloquently put my friend...eloquently put. Nothing like a bit of intelligent input. I applaud your command of the English language. :rockon:

:rofl:

By the way, in case anyone hasn't cottoned on, I'm taking the piss, because IMHO that's all this thread deserves.

[ceebie13]

For the love of all things pointy, this horse is dead people, can we stop bloody flogging it now?

Take it to PM, all the (ir)relevant for/against arguments being repeated are pretty bloody boring now.

Thankee.

You could always change channels!! :yes:

[The Pastor]

Sheer brilliance, RM. Eloquently put my friend...eloquently put. Nothing like a bit of intelligent input. I applaud your command of the English language. :rockon:

:rofl:

By the way, in case anyone hasn't cottoned on, I'm taking the piss, because IMHO that's all this thread deserves.
Unfortunatly not everyone is taking the piss and im sad for that reason.

[ceebie13]

Unfortunatly not everyone is taking the piss and im sad for that reason.


Don't be sad. At the end of the day, it's only an internet forum. Just as with any other media you (and I) will react to certain posts/threads in certain ways. Some you will agree with, some you won't, some will be meaningless to you, some may make you laugh, some may make you angry, some will prompt you to be flippant and ridicule it or take the mick as I have.

Like it or not on a forum such as this, most people will be up there own arses when it comes to defending their point of view. They will think they are the worlds leading expert and refuse to budge from what they perceive to be right and proper.

Flame insinuated I was "little miss perfect" cos I chastised Drew for doing circus tricks on a public road. She had a right to do that but at the same time little did she know I'm not perfect - 75DP's collected for speeding - so, as she says, who am I to point the finger?

We are all guilty of getting on our high horses and not practicing what we preach which is why I have come full circle and not taken this thread too seriously.

Phew! Such wisdom at 10.50pm. What is the world coming to?

[merv]

This thread is already too long to read (so I haven't read all the comments) but all I'll say is that motorcycling is a very individual thing, no one else can ride the bike for you at the time you're riding it so it is all about personal responsibility and managing your own risks.

[Krusti]

I have more of a problem with crashe riding a Virago........They should be banned......how many newbies have looked at this pic and thought it was ok to ride one? :laugh::dodge:

[jim.cox]

I have more of a problem with crashe riding a Virago........They should be banned......how many newbies have looked at this pic and thought it was ok to ride one? :laugh::dodge:


Given that a Virago is "a shrill or shrew like woman"

(check your dictionary if you dont believe me)

I think all the Safety Nazis on this thread should be forced to ride one - the 250 version.

[PuppetMaster]

I have more of a problem with crashe riding a Virago........They should be banned......how many newbies have looked at this pic and thought it was ok to ride one? :laugh::dodge:


haha good call.

[jazbug5]

Hehe I sneaked on!!! righty-o.
I have not read the whole thing, but yea, I have the concept..*

So here's what I'm understanding,
We have an older woman (sorry!) She's on a motorbike, On a pretty quiet road...
Going about 10 miles per hour!! c'mon guys.. her hair ain't even "windswept" you dweebs... xD "she's going too fast.. the children will be mislead"
I'm a kid. I'm telling yah. You are old xD
She isn't gonna die.
hehe.. why are you on here?
kiwi biker seniors.. I say they consider making you a special site where you may moan away to your hearts content. :P

I know i read this comment at the beginning .. But i cannot let this chance of telling those people they're losers xD
Let me begin!!!
hehe
*just let me put my you are a loser face on* (shame you can't see it)
For thoses guys who were commenting on her appearance.
Didn't you stop for one fucking second to think how she feels (oh and seeing as you haven't quite grasped what is male and female.. how you will reproduce I know not!!.. I shall point out yes.. She is of the female gender)

You fucking morons xD

erm yeah.
I'd love to see a picture of you on here, seriously, We can all rate you.
It's ok if you have man boobs or look feminine... Thats pretty much what i suspect.
I can pretty much guarantee you don't have the balls to take me up on this.
You are most probably a pathetic Idiot who Is insecure.
What's too hide? are you the modern elephant man???

So yes.
Leave her alone.
Think about what you have said.
Don't hate me.
I was gods messenger :first:

Love you xD
charl
xXx

p.s if you have any more stupid things you HAVE to say.. point me there... :innocent:
hehe
Cause i ain't done yet :D

[jrandom]

Jaz has a niece?

<img src="http://www.pregnancy.org/phpBB2/images/smiles/ttiwwp.gif" />

[jazbug5]

Jaz has a niece?

<img src="http://www.pregnancy.org/phpBB2/images/smiles/ttiwwp.gif" />

Indeed :D I have stolen the kiwi biker login :D
And how are you? o.0

[jrandom]

Indeed :D I have stolen the kiwi biker login :D
And how are you? o.0

Stealing is bad, mm kay?

I'm fine, thank you for asking. Tell Jaz to move back here already.

[jazbug5]

Why? I'm having so much fun!!! :D
so.. ermss....
gawd i'm bored...
wuu2?

[jrandom]

I'd love to see a picture of you on here, seriously, We can all rate you.

Rate away (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1144645&postcount=242).

[jazbug5]

Rate away (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1144645&postcount=242).

Hehe I was asking for the pics of the sad losers...
But thanks for your time xD

You one of jaz's friends??

[jrandom]

You one of jaz's friends??

Would Jaz be friends with someone with an arse like that?

[jazbug5]

hell yeah :P

[jrandom]

hell yeah :P

Well, there you go.

[ceebie13]

I'm a kid. I'm telling yah. You are old xD
hehe.. why are you on here?
kiwi biker seniors.. I say they consider making you a special site where you may moan away to your hearts content. :P


Jeeze....I'm glad I'm old then if this is the stuff of the younger generation.
What a load of immature twaddle. You fell into the trap of taking the whole thread too seriously.

What's more worrying is that I fell in to the trap of responding! Doh.

[jazbug5]

Jeeze....I'm glad I'm old then if this is the stuff of the younger generation.
What a load of immature twaddle. You fell into the trap of taking the whole thread too seriously.


Indeed. I'm really disappointed in her myself. What is the youth of today coming to when they are motivated to comment negatively upon unpleasant individuals (adults, supposedly) making hurtful remarks about someone's appearance? Dreadful. And if that wasn't bad enough, she had to make the whole thing as serious as the grave.

Look, her humour and delivery may be a little immature- but guess what? She's a kid. Which she said herself. I may be missing something important here, but isn't that when you're supposed to be allowed a little immaturity?

Nice arse, Mr. Random. Will you be my friend?

[Beemer]

Conspicuous only by her absence....What does Crashe have to say to all this then I wonder?

This thread would be so much better if Crashe herself would come on here and say why she was acting like this in front of inexperienced riders. I know from personal experience that she can dish out the shit but obviously doesn't like to take it.

Good on you Mom, I have to totally agree with you. While I would look at this behaviour and think "what an idiot", there are plenty of people - as shown in the postings - who think what she was doing was acceptable. It was not - and that goes for any rider, not just Crashe.

[inlinefour]

New riders should concentrate on learning the skills of gaining total control of their bike, recognising hazards around them and "reading the road". There is no place for teaching new riders The Art of the Racing Line - (or how to ride with no hands for that matter).

If they are dumb enough to try that shyte then they deserve the bin. Kinda a case of learning to crawl before you walk I'd like to think. I would have thought it would be a case of common sense. But in this modern world there appears to be plenty of individuals out there who have little common sense? :whocares:

[jrandom]

Nice arse, Mr. Random. Will you be my friend?

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