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NotaGoth
5th August 2007, 21:27
Okay...

My partner was at our flat tonight.. He was walking to his car with our dog... Heard something up ahead.. Dog started growling.. Turned his torch on and pointed it ahead.. Seen two guys.. The two guys seen my partner and turned around and ran...

Our dog chased after them and bit one of the guys... The guy was swearing and stuff.. They both managed to run away in the end...

Dans freaking out cause our dog bit someone.. We have done our best to train our dog properly so that this DOES NOT happen... So it is quite upsetting to hear that he has...

First thought was if these two guys weren't up to mischief then why would they turn around and run..??? Doesn't make sense.. They obviously had something to hide...

5 minutes after this incident he then finds out that someone had just broken into our neighbours house...

Would you be happy that your dog bit said person?

candor
5th August 2007, 21:39
Hmm yes and no. Goes to show dog knows a loser when he sees one - full marks. However he should be able to be called off before proceeding to chomp on anyone. It clearly wasn't a savage attack - just a bite that had desired effect - made the threat retreat.

The dog does not sound too aggressive to me - sounds like he knew when his mission was accomplished. Still it should be you in charge of his jaws not him.

And per the counsel dogs aren't considered under control if they rush at people. I see nothing wrong with rushing given the population is educated on dog socialising like my generation was, at or before school. My dog rushes at people - its called sussing out / sociability, and "normal" dogs will proceed to be friendly no threat if the humans aren't scared.

But the world has changed and now people think they are so important and no need to learn dog communication and they're not willing to share the world with other species.

It is a change in the National character and evidence the british ancestry and heritage is becoming lost to me. If my dog can not rush up to greet kids without nanny state parents flippin out, and kids who're not properly prepared for handling lifes "risks" instant screaming (due to media hype) I honestly don't want a dog and won't get another.

This country is too dumbed down. Where I grew up pet dogs were an integral part of life and all childen knew how to deal with dogs in a civil friendly manner, one that did not promote attacks.

Doubt they'll tell council as guilty. I'd just get yourself along to dog obedience training and train yourself to get good control over the mutt with a mind of its own.

NordieBoy
5th August 2007, 21:47
5 minutes after this incident he then finds out that someone had just broken into our neighbours house...

Would you be happy that your dog bit said person?

Tell the cops and they'll keep an eye on the horsepiddles.

NotaGoth
5th August 2007, 21:51
Hmm yes and no. Goes to show dog knows a loser when he sees one - full marks. However he should be able to be called off before proceeding to chomp on anyone. It clearly wasn't a savage attack - just a bite that had desired effect - made the threat retreat. The dog does not sound too aggressive to me - sounds like he knew when his mission was accomplished. Sytill it should be you in charge of his jaws not him.

And per the counsel dogs aren't considered undr control idf they rush at people. I see nothing wrong with rushing given the populaytion is educated on dog socialising like my generation was at school. My dog rushes at people - its called sociability, and "normal" dogs will proceed to be friendly no threat if the humans aren't scared.

But the world has changed and now people think they are so important and no need to learn dog communication and they're not willing to share the world with other species.

It is a change in the National character and evidence the british ancestry and heritage is becoming lost to me. If my dog can not rush up to greet kids without nanny state parents flippin out and kids who're not properly prepared for handling lifes "risks" instant screaming (due to media hype) I honestly dont want a dog and won't get another.

This country is too dumbed down. Wher I grew up pet dogs were an integral part of life and all childen knew how to deal with dogs in a civil friendly manner that did not promote attacks.

Doubt they'll tell council as guilty. I'd just get yourself along to dog obedience training and train yourself to get good control over the mutt with a mind of its own.


To tell you the truth I'm still in shock hearing he did it.. He's never hurt a fly.... He loved our kitten to bits and all he wants to do is play with everyone and everything.. Really not something I expected to hear... He always listens to us... Mainly cause he learnt quickly that if he doesn't, he will be punished (not beaten, punished eg: no loves and cuddles)... He'd much rather spend time with us then be sent to his naughty spot and ignored..

I'm disappointed.. But he did end up coming back when called.. Strange how they sense something isn't right.. But also nice to know in a way that he would protect us if need be...

Will talk to dan about obedience training though..

I just hope theres no retaliation...

NotaGoth
5th August 2007, 21:53
Tell the cops and they'll keep an eye on the horsepiddles.

Yeah I don't think he would have bit them that bad that they would need medical attention.. Though least if he had they'd catch the little shits... But I think we'd be risk of having to put our dog down...

Little Miss Trouble
5th August 2007, 21:59
I'd say theres next to no chance of repercussions since its obvious they were up to something. In fact knowing how most of the northland cops are, I'd say the local constable would laugh and give your dog a pat (I know I would!)

Hitcher
5th August 2007, 22:24
If your dog bit somebody who is unlikely to take legal action against you as its owner, then you are just lucky. Learn from this and take measures to ensure it doesn't happen again.

If somebody's dog ever bit me, whether I was "running away" or not, I would be the last person that that dog ever bit.

NotaGoth
5th August 2007, 22:30
If your dog bit somebody who is unlikely to take legal action against you as its owner, then you are just lucky. Learn from this and take measures to ensure it doesn't happen again.

If somebody's dog ever bit me, whether I was "running away" or not, I would be the last person that that dog ever bit.

Think I haven't thought of that? First thing that popped into my head was what the outcome could be because of it..

Timber020
5th August 2007, 22:49
My wifes parents had there family dog prince tied up outside there front door while they were in town. A couple tried to feed him poisoned meat, he bit one of them. They were tryng to rob the house, and admited trying to poison the tied up dog and rob the house.

Dog still got put down by court order.

NotaGoth
5th August 2007, 23:06
My wifes parents had there family dog prince tied up outside there front door while they were in town. A couple tried to feed him poisoned meat, he bit one of them. They were tryng to rob the house, and admited trying to poison the tied up dog and rob the house.

Dog still got put down by court order.

Thats................. *doesn't know what to say*

karmakillernz
5th August 2007, 23:07
My wifes parents had there family dog prince tied up outside there front door while they were in town. A couple tried to feed him poisoned meat, he bit one of them. They were tryng to rob the house, and admited trying to poison the tied up dog and rob the house.

Dog still got put down by court order.

This is one of the few things that really fuck me off. Someone can walk into your property uninvited, even to commit an illegal act, and you're liable if they get hurt in the process. Or, as in this case, if your dog defends your property, it pays the ultimate price. I mean, what sort of society do we live in where burglers have the right of safe entry? :angry:

On a somewhat related note, there are a couple of young children about 6-7 doors down from us who always come running up to us and our dog when we take her for a walk and try to pat her. Now, although our dog doesn't seem to care, we've repeatedly told them not to (for obvious reasons). But despite this, if they came running over and she were to snap out because she got a fright or something - we'd be at fault. WTF? :mellow:

jafar
5th August 2007, 23:29
What a good dog , give him a pat & a biscuit :love:
Thieving little shitbags got what they needed, pity he didn't have them baled up as well for the cops to deal to as well.

Timber020
5th August 2007, 23:39
Thats................. *doesn't know what to say*

Yeah, as I say, it make you teeth grate dont it? I do my best not to think about it, if you met her parents youd know they would be the last to teach a dog any aggression. Life isnt fair and the laws an ass.

Mr. Peanut
6th August 2007, 08:41
We had a German Shepherd, docile as anything. Lent it to a family when we had to go on holiday and it chased down a thief as well!

I think they can sense abnormal behaviour.

spudchucka
6th August 2007, 09:38
Would you be happy that your dog bit said person?

Give the dog a nice bone, he'll need something sweet to get rid of the shitty taste of burglar.

avgas
6th August 2007, 09:39
Would you be happy that your dog bit said person?
Hell yeah - i had a guard dog like that once. Bloody awesome animals.
Also had a Guard Boar that chased said dodgey people out of a paddock. 4inch tusks and all. Sad day when he died.
Your dog is awesome matey

Disco Dan
6th August 2007, 12:56
Sounds like a great guard dog to me. :yes:

My flatemates dogs go off their tits at the mere sight of a motorbike... a fellow KB'er visited me last week and they chased him down the long drive and bit through one of his boots! Still pups... so still training them.

babyblade250rr
6th August 2007, 13:00
yeah a friends dog had to be put to sleep for bitting some idiot trying to break into his house, Dog just defended it territory from a thief and ended up being the accused party from the whole senario.

It sucks but it's the law

Cr1MiNaL
6th August 2007, 13:05
ur daughter came into my house and bit my dog... yes bit my dog... no don't tell me to shup up... u shut up...

Cr1MiNaL
6th August 2007, 13:11
If your dog bit somebody who is unlikely to take legal action against you as its owner, then you are just lucky. Learn from this and take measures to ensure it doesn't happen again.

If somebody's dog ever bit me, whether I was "running away" or not, I would be the last person that that dog ever bit.

I don't share ur view on that issue... if a dog ever bit me and it has... id never ever ever put it down, unless it were deranged, then too with much reluctance. I have 8 dogs and love them... best companions u cud ever have... they understand everything u tell them with or without saying it. Love ur dog or hate ur dog he will always love u. My 1st dog (like my brother) died tragically and i miss him so much. Ill never forget him. RIP brother.

Dilligaf
6th August 2007, 13:13
Well I reckon there's good and bad.
Great that your dog knows the difference between fellow pet (i.e. you said he got on well with your cat) and yet protects your property.
However, he needs to have better training in that if your partner had called him back, then the dog should have stopped chasing the two people and come back straight away.
Having re read what you wrote, you aren't clear on whether Dan called the dog and he kept going after the guys. If that is the case, then you will need more training.
It's amazing what body language dogs pick up on - he would have chased after the guys because of the way that Dan reacted and if this was the first incident and he has not gone for friends who have visited then I wouldn't worry that you have an agressive animal. Your dog was doing what came instinctively to him when he sensed an threat to his pack.

Roadrash
6th August 2007, 13:15
Rule number 1......Innocent people don't run.

pritch
6th August 2007, 13:26
Be aware that dogs behave differently at night to the daytime, often considerably more aggressive.

The dog perceived a threat to his pack and dealt to it. Good dog!

JimO
6th August 2007, 14:48
i would be pissed of at my dog if he didnt bite somebody out burgling so next time he does it if the dog is going to get the chop anyway make shure he does a decent job of ripping the bastard up and give the burglar a few taps with a baseball bat just to remind him whos running the show

skidMark
6th August 2007, 15:31
Would you be happy that your dog bit said person?


hmmmmmmmm

it would get extra food for dinner...

terbang
6th August 2007, 15:51
Realisticly, pity he didn't rip the bastards leg off.. But then, I guess the way things are, lucky for him he didn't. FWIW Someone once told me that if you put a sign on your gate that says "Beware of the dog" then you are admitting liability to knowing that you have dog that will bite. Might scare the street kids off but if the mail-man gets a nip... You have allready admitted it.

Laava
6th August 2007, 17:31
Try not to be disappointed that the dog only bit one!:yes:

Usarka
6th August 2007, 18:29
Hmmm, he was out "walking to the car" with a dog and torch when he happened to hear a noise next door. right, gotcha ;) :Police:

98tls
6th August 2007, 18:39
Good on that dog,if they were up to no good then they got what they deserved,Hitchers comment i find a bit odd,if you had been up to no good on my property and my dog bit you whilst you were running away then i can promise you that no harm would come to that dog.

bell
6th August 2007, 19:01
And per the counsel dogs aren't considered under control if they rush at people. I see nothing wrong with rushing given the population is educated on dog socialising like my generation was, at or before school. My dog rushes at people - its called sussing out / sociability, and "normal" dogs will proceed to be friendly no threat if the humans aren't scared.

It is a change in the National character and evidence the british ancestry and heritage is becoming lost to me. If my dog can not rush up to greet kids without nanny state parents flippin out, and kids who're not properly prepared for handling lifes "risks" instant screaming (due to media hype) I honestly don't want a dog and won't get another.

Hmm, yes and no. Some of us are not dog people. I wouldn't go so far as to use the word hate, but it's a very strong dislike of dogs that I have.

Now, is it my problem if someone else's dog rushes at me and annoys me while I'm in a public place such as a park? Or should the dog owner have their dog under better control so I'm not bothered by it in the first instance?


If somebody's dog ever bit me, whether I was "running away" or not, I would be the last person that that dog ever bit.

Agreed.


I don't share ur view on that issue... if a dog ever bit me and it has... id never ever ever put it down, unless it were deranged, then too with much reluctance. I have 8 dogs and love them... best companions u cud ever have... they understand everything u tell them with or without saying it. Love ur dog or hate ur dog he will always love u. My 1st dog (like my brother) died tragically and i miss him so much. Ill never forget him. RIP brother.

Thanks for sharing.

Saw this (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4154945a10.html?source=RSStopstories_20070806) on the news tonight.

Bad doggy.

Poor kid. Wouldn't wish that on any child. Or adult for that matter.

Praise to the dog owners for accepting that their beloved pet could do the same again - they've granted permission for it to be put down.

98tls
6th August 2007, 19:09
What i would like to know is are the people who have said "if a dog bit me etc it would be the last time etc..even if i was running away" meaning that even if you had been up to no good you would still feel that way ?

bell
6th August 2007, 19:19
What i would like to know is are the people who have said "if a dog bit me etc it would be the last time etc..even if i was running away meaning that even if you had been up to no good you would still feel that way ?

Yeah, fair call I'd say. If I'm doing a break and enter on a house and the home owner's dog bit me then I'd think that was "karma". In that case I'd say anyone fuckwitted enough to steal someone else's property deserved to be bitten.

That's quite a contrast with a dog jumping a fence and mauling a 2 yr old child's face....

Usarka
6th August 2007, 19:20
What i would like to know is are the people who have said "if a dog bit me etc it would be the last time etc..even if i was running away meaning that even if you had been up to no good you would still feel that way ?

i shouldn't have had that spliff bahahaha wtf?

NotaGoth
6th August 2007, 20:00
Hmmm, he was out "walking to the car" with a dog and torch when he happened to hear a noise next door. right, gotcha ;) :Police:


We live in a house on a hill with a nasty walkway, no outside lighting. Dan has a flashlight thing attached to his keyring so we can get up our footpath without falling down a bank.
Dog lives in side, so of course if Dan needs anything from his car the dog goes with him. Its called toilet time. ;)

NordieBoy
6th August 2007, 20:39
Your dog pees in the car?

NotaGoth
6th August 2007, 21:08
Your dog pees in the car?

I knew someone would try being smart lol

NordieBoy
6th August 2007, 21:15
I knew someone would try being smart lol

. :yes:

Patrick
7th August 2007, 09:56
Good on that dog,if they were up to no good then they got what they deserved,Hitchers comment i find a bit odd,if you had been up to no good on my property and my dog bit you whilst you were running away then i can promise you that no harm would come to that dog.

Top dog, extra feed, premium bone... well earned.

As for wrongdoers thinking they should be above the dog protecting its property, I hope it rips your throat out instead, to stop your bleating liberal tree hugging whinging.

Has me stumped how a dog attacking a burglar can be put down, have NEVER heard of any such thing... or are these old wives tails modified to suit the story??????

All people have a common law right to walk up to your door to knock on it (for a lawful purpose) but you also have a right to defend your castle from those who are not there lawfully... and this would have to include a dog dealing to a burglar etc....

scumdog
7th August 2007, 10:06
Good dog.
Very discerning I'd say.:yes:

A friend of mine had a similar incident - bitten person whinged about being attacked by the dog, friend said "oh no, he rushed up at my dog and tried to kick it, the dog was just defending himself, I want that little shit charged with cruelty to animals"
Only witnesses were the dog, the owner and the bitten shithead.
K1

Deano
7th August 2007, 10:11
A friend of mine had a similar incident - bitten person whinged about being attacked by the dog, friend said "oh no, he rushed up at my dog and tried to kick it, the dog was just defending himself, I want that little shit charged with cruelty to animals"
Only witnesses were the dog, the owner and the bitten shithead.
K1

That's brilliant.

Sanx
7th August 2007, 10:42
Good dog.
Very discerning I'd say.:yes:

Yes, good dog. Let me know an address I can courier a juicy bone to.


A friend of mine had a similar incident - bitten person whinged about being attacked by the dog, friend said "oh no, he rushed up at my dog and tried to kick it, the dog was just defending himself, I want that little shit charged with cruelty to animals"

Not too many years ago I'd simply refuse to believe this tale and question why anyone would simply run up to a dog and kick it. But now, after hearing about the Kahui and Nia cases, not to mention the others that hit the news room a little more briefly, I've had to re-evaluate my general good faith in human nature. I've just come to realise that some people are complete fuckwits. Plain and simple.

Delphinus
7th August 2007, 11:55
A friend of mine had a similar incident - bitten person whinged about being attacked by the dog, friend said "oh no, he rushed up at my dog and tried to kick it, the dog was just defending himself, I want that little shit charged with cruelty to animals"
Only witnesses were the dog, the owner and the bitten shithead.
K1

I assume the shithead came out worse off and dog is still happy?

Biff
7th August 2007, 11:55
Rule number 1......Innocent people don't run.

Unless they're being chased by a dog perhaps?

ManDownUnder
7th August 2007, 12:01
Rule number 1......Innocent people don't run.


Unless they're being chased by a dog perhaps?

Good point. But the innocent are then more likely to come back and complain. Anyone struggling to explain their presence on the property might not...

Of course their may be a payout for complaining (God bless ACC... theives get workplace injuries too - surely?)...

Curious_AJ
7th August 2007, 12:10
My wifes parents had there family dog prince tied up outside there front door while they were in town. A couple tried to feed him poisoned meat, he bit one of them. They were tryng to rob the house, and admited trying to poison the tied up dog and rob the house.

Dog still got put down by court order.

that's what pisses me off in this country... criminals get away with at most, a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket and the innocent/wronged people gt beatn down with a ton of bricks... where the HELL is the justice system!?

scumdog
7th August 2007, 13:57
I assume the shithead came out worse off and dog is still happy?

No, dog wasn't happy - he wasn't allowed to eat the rest of the shithead:laugh:

The only uphappy one was 'hoppy the shithead' who limped off into the horizon.

SDU
7th August 2007, 14:11
Best thing you can do is get in contact with a good dog behaviourist to help you. they can help you both to have greater control over your dog if put in this situation again. It can also mean the difference between a court order, ordering him to death or just having him listed as a dangerous dog. Prempt the council in case someone does complain.

Swoop
7th August 2007, 15:30
Nice doggy!

One that knows the difference between a crim and an innocent member of the public.

Hope you gave him a nice treat for such good work!

Cr1MiNaL
7th August 2007, 16:36
Good dog.
Very discerning I'd say.:yes:

A friend of mine had a similar incident - bitten person whinged about being attacked by the dog, friend said "oh no, he rushed up at my dog and tried to kick it, the dog was just defending himself, I want that little shit charged with cruelty to animals"
Only witnesses were the dog, the owner and the bitten shithead.
K1

Hello...? Yes...yes...listen to me u .. u .. wanker u...your friend ran up to my dog and kicked it... yes kicked it ...!! :first: